Comments on: Answering the Lie that the CIA's Interrogation Methods Were "Torture" http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot Military Veterans and Foreign Affairs Journal - VA - Veterans Administration Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:54:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Robert Rosebrock http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14922 Robert Rosebrock Sat, 23 May 2009 10:05:49 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14922 Regarding my comment Duffster writes: His (Mike's) articles are not within guidelines of this site. We are a progressive group supportive of human rights and individual freedoms. Regarding my comment

Duffster writes:

His (Mike’s) articles are not within guidelines of this site.

We are a progressive group supportive of human rights and individual freedoms.

]]> By: Robert Rosebrock http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14921 Robert Rosebrock Sat, 23 May 2009 10:01:56 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14921 Duffster writes: > None of you are within the guidelines of the "Veterans Today" name. Stop hijacking the noble name of "Veterans" for your own political posturing and running away Veterans who are seeking real answer and real help with their personal lives. This website used to be a very unique service to Veterans until the political garbage started flowing. But just like everything else that belongs to Veterans, it's being stolen away by the politics. It won't be long before this Veterans Today website will be lucky if it has 80 followers. It's time to put the political posturing on this website aside and start taking care of our fellow Veterans. There hundreds, if not thousands of our fellow Veterans who have been infected with AIDS and hepatitis caused by a dysfunctional VA. If anyone does not believe that these individuals will not be living a life of "torture" and meet an untimely death, then you'd better rethink your priorities about "human rights" and "individual freedoms." Duffster writes: >

None of you are within the guidelines of the “Veterans Today” name. Stop hijacking the noble name of “Veterans” for your own political posturing and running away Veterans who are seeking real answer and real help with their personal lives.

This website used to be a very unique service to Veterans until the political garbage started flowing. But just like everything else that belongs to Veterans, it’s being stolen away by the politics.

It won’t be long before this Veterans Today website will be lucky if it has 80 followers. It’s time to put the political posturing on this website aside and start taking care of our fellow Veterans.

There hundreds, if not thousands of our fellow Veterans who have been infected with AIDS and hepatitis caused by a dysfunctional VA. If anyone does not believe that these individuals will not be living a life of “torture” and meet an untimely death, then you’d better rethink your priorities about “human rights” and “individual freedoms.”

]]> By: Terry http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14920 Terry Sat, 23 May 2009 09:48:12 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14920 I think maybe sometimes it is good to keep ones opinion to himself. Clearly, most of the people who post here on this site are not in favor of waterboarding. You can call it torture or not, it really doesn't matter. This truly is a matter of personal concience. As for me, I'm still undecided. I don't want to see Americans stoop to a lower level, but I don't want to see them die either. This is a very tough decision to make. I think maybe sometimes it is good to keep ones opinion to himself. Clearly, most of the people who post here on this site are not in favor of waterboarding. You can call it torture or not, it really doesn’t matter. This truly is a matter of personal concience. As for me, I’m still undecided. I don’t want to see Americans stoop to a lower level, but I don’t want to see them die either. This is a very tough decision to make.

]]> By: Da_old_warrant http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14812 Da_old_warrant Fri, 22 May 2009 10:51:54 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14812 MORE NEWSMAX CRAP MORE NEWSMAX CRAP

]]> By: Da_old_warrant http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14811 Da_old_warrant Fri, 22 May 2009 10:46:20 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14811 80 People? Are there that many bushies involved and afraid that the world court may try them? 80 People? Are there that many bushies involved and afraid that the world court may try them?

]]> By: Mike Griffith http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14809 Mike Griffith Fri, 22 May 2009 10:36:20 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14809 <p><font size="2">I realize this is a matter of religious faith among the far left.  You can say waterboarding is "torture" a million times, but that won't make it true.  If the U.S. has considered waterboardinig as "torture," then, pray tell, why have we waterboarded tens of thousands of our own military personnel as part of their SERE training?</font></p><p><font size="2">I'm still waiting--and waiting and waiting--for one of you folks to explain how waterboarding is "torture" when it's non-injurious and non-lethal, when it's applied for no more than 40 seconds at a time (and usually only for about 10 seconds at a time), when it's done under medical supervision, when strict limits are placed on the number of applications that can be done in a day, week, and month, and when the subjects are advised ahead of time that they will not die from the procedure.  How is THAT "torture"?</font></p><p><font size="2">Don't come back with the phony arguments about WW II-era Japanese waterboarding, which was done in a vicious, sadistic manner.  Don't come back with the phony argument about the U.S. soldier in Vietnam who was court martialed for waterboarding--he was punished because he was not authorized to use that method, and the way he did it was much harsher than the way the CIA did it.</font></p><p><font size="2">Tell me how the waterboarding <em>that the CIA did to Nashiri, KSM, and Zubaydah</em>, described above, is "torture."</font></p> I realize this is a matter of religious faith among the far left.  You can say waterboarding is "torture" a million times, but that won’t make it true.  If the U.S. has considered waterboardinig as "torture," then, pray tell, why have we waterboarded tens of thousands of our own military personnel as part of their SERE training?

I’m still waiting–and waiting and waiting–for one of you folks to explain how waterboarding is "torture" when it’s non-injurious and non-lethal, when it’s applied for no more than 40 seconds at a time (and usually only for about 10 seconds at a time), when it’s done under medical supervision, when strict limits are placed on the number of applications that can be done in a day, week, and month, and when the subjects are advised ahead of time that they will not die from the procedure.  How is THAT "torture"?

Don’t come back with the phony arguments about WW II-era Japanese waterboarding, which was done in a vicious, sadistic manner.  Don’t come back with the phony argument about the U.S. soldier in Vietnam who was court martialed for waterboarding–he was punished because he was not authorized to use that method, and the way he did it was much harsher than the way the CIA did it.

Tell me how the waterboarding that the CIA did to Nashiri, KSM, and Zubaydah, described above, is "torture."

]]> By: Mike Griffith http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14807 Mike Griffith Fri, 22 May 2009 10:29:05 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14807 <p><font size="2">No, Gordon Duff is just a paranoid nutjob who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a "Republican troll."</font></p><p><font size="2">Gordon thinks his nutty paranoid rants against Bush and the CIA and so-called "torture" are within the guidelines for this site, but if anyone post articles that refute his nonsense he claims their articles aren't within guidelines.  He doesn't mind dishonestly posting pictures that he knows have NOTHING to do with the CIA's interrogations of terrorists and juxtaposing those photos with his harangues about Bush-Cheney-CIA "torture."</font></p><p><font size="2">And on and on we could go.  The man needs clinical help.  I am totally, totally serious.  I truly question his sanity.</font></p><p><font size="2">If Veterans Today truly hopes to be more mainstream, it needs to dump embarrassing nutjobs like Gordon Duff.</font></p> No, Gordon Duff is just a paranoid nutjob who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a "Republican troll."

Gordon thinks his nutty paranoid rants against Bush and the CIA and so-called "torture" are within the guidelines for this site, but if anyone post articles that refute his nonsense he claims their articles aren’t within guidelines.  He doesn’t mind dishonestly posting pictures that he knows have NOTHING to do with the CIA’s interrogations of terrorists and juxtaposing those photos with his harangues about Bush-Cheney-CIA "torture."

And on and on we could go.  The man needs clinical help.  I am totally, totally serious.  I truly question his sanity.

If Veterans Today truly hopes to be more mainstream, it needs to dump embarrassing nutjobs like Gordon Duff.

]]> By: duffster http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14804 duffster Fri, 22 May 2009 09:40:37 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14804 <p>Mike Griffith is a troll posting for the Republican Party.  His articles are not within guidelines of this site.</p><p>We are a progressive group supportive of human rights and individual freedoms.</p><p>g</p> Mike Griffith is a troll posting for the Republican Party.  His articles are not within guidelines of this site.

We are a progressive group supportive of human rights and individual freedoms.

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]]> By: Amy Branham http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14803 Amy Branham Fri, 22 May 2009 09:10:33 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14803 <p>Mike, which polls would you be referring to?  Can you provide a link for that a few statistics?  </p><p>Waterboarding IS TORTURE, Mike.  It has long been considered torture, even by the U.S., before the Bush/Cheney era.  </p><p> </p> Mike, which polls would you be referring to?  Can you provide a link for that a few statistics? 

Waterboarding IS TORTURE, Mike.  It has long been considered torture, even by the U.S., before the Bush/Cheney era. 

 

]]> By: Mike Griffith http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14802 Mike Griffith Fri, 22 May 2009 08:00:21 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14802 <p><font size="2">You live in a fantasy land.  According to recent polls, you are the one who is in the minority, not I.  According to recent surveys, a solid majority of Americans believe it is morally acceptable to waterboard terrorists in order to save lives and prevent further attacks.  Polls also show that a solid majority of Americans do not favor prosecuting former Bush officials for authorizing harsh interrogation methods, since most people understand that those methods saved lives and that they were done at a time when everyone feared more attacks were imminent.  As for the nature of waterboarding itself, the polls are all over the place--it depends on which demographic is being polled.  When a liberal news group does the poll, the numbers say one thing; but when a non-liberal group does the poll, different results are obtained.</font></p><p><font size="2">Interestingly, the vast majority of former military personnel who underwent waterboarding as part of their training, and who have expressed an opinion on the subject, have <em>rejected</em> the claim that waterboarding is torture.  I find that quite telling--that most of the people who've actually experienced it don't buy the argument that it's "torture."</font></p> You live in a fantasy land.  According to recent polls, you are the one who is in the minority, not I.  According to recent surveys, a solid majority of Americans believe it is morally acceptable to waterboard terrorists in order to save lives and prevent further attacks.  Polls also show that a solid majority of Americans do not favor prosecuting former Bush officials for authorizing harsh interrogation methods, since most people understand that those methods saved lives and that they were done at a time when everyone feared more attacks were imminent.  As for the nature of waterboarding itself, the polls are all over the place–it depends on which demographic is being polled.  When a liberal news group does the poll, the numbers say one thing; but when a non-liberal group does the poll, different results are obtained.

Interestingly, the vast majority of former military personnel who underwent waterboarding as part of their training, and who have expressed an opinion on the subject, have rejected the claim that waterboarding is torture.  I find that quite telling–that most of the people who’ve actually experienced it don’t buy the argument that it’s "torture."

]]> By: Tom Barnes http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/05/22/answering-the-lie-that-the-cia-s-interrogation-methods-were-quot-torture-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-14799 Tom Barnes Fri, 22 May 2009 07:41:57 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=6914#comment-14799 <p>Give it up Mike!  There are exactly 80 people in the USA who still believe that what was done was not torture. Come into the 21st Century and realize that what we did was evil.</p><p>Stop living in a fantasy world where torture is Godly.  Wake up!</p> Give it up Mike!  There are exactly 80 people in the USA who still believe that what was done was not torture. Come into the 21st Century and realize that what we did was evil.

Stop living in a fantasy world where torture is Godly.  Wake up!

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