MORE THAN ANYONE CAN CHEW: AFGHANISTAN AND 9/11
September 26, 2009 posted by Gordon Duff · 41 Comments
HOPELESS IS A GENEROUS TERM FOR THE SITUATION IN AFGHANISTAN
IS AFGHANISTAN THE "REAL WAR ON TERROR" WE NOW CLAIM?
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER
Casualties are mounting in Afghanistan while the situation is rapidly deteriorating from hopeless to a word the English language has yet to create. Everone under heaven has told us that fighting in Afghanistan is insane. Nothing can be won with terrain beyond our technological grasp, porous borders and a civilian population with hundreds of thousands willing to give their lives to convince us to leave.
With no public support at home or anywhere in the world, no support in Afghanistan, a country whose Army has actually gone backwards with billions in supplies and training and Karzai’s open theft of an election, mirroring that of his neighbor in Iran, no situation could be worse.
Our allies are tiring, preparing to cut and run. They have suffered and sacrified as we have and deserve thanks, not the derision we pile on them. Why do we forget when their children die alongside ours?
Why are we at war? Is this really the "good war," the one Bush forgot to fight because of the invasion of Iraq, an attack that, according to international law, was an illegal war of aggression deserving of Nuremburg type trials? If you feel, in your heart, that it has all been a setup from the beginning, you aren’t alone and are not a "conspiracy theorist."
With 2 wars started by the 9/11 attacks, is this a rationale for what we are doing now or were they an excuse for military adventure in partnership with oil companies, Israel and greedy arms manufacturers?
If we bought intel on Iraq we knew was false, is everything false? We know 9/11 was not what we were told. With the Commission report in tatters and unanswered questions, not theories, but real questions on why our military and intelligence community seemed to have simply taken a day off on 9/11, we can’t trust this as a reason to kill thousands more Americans.
9/11 just doesn’t hold water anymore. The official story is now the "conspiracy theory." The truth has now entered an area beyond the imagination of any of us. Did the Bush administration get in bed with terrorists and enemies as was done during Carter and Reagan? Why have we forgotten that we are fighting against people we trained. Al Queda and the Taliban were US allies against Russia in Afghanistan, organized, supplied and trained by the CIA with billions spent. When did those relationships end?
What does the evidence of 9/11 really show? We have airline hijackings, real hijackings but failed to respond to them. We saw buildings hit, everyone saw it but the films of the Pentagon attack are classified, all except one that raises more questions than are answered. I have sat thru videos showing a BBC reporter pointing at a building behind her, claiming it had collapsed and it looked undamaged.
It mysteriously collapsed minutes later? Was she a prophet? Perhaps. It seems, according to architects and engineers, only a god could have dropped the building the way it fell, god or demolition charges. Do I believe this? With no other rational explanation, ignoring this is insane.
Thus, we stand at the edge, ready to send thousands of troops, tens of thousands more, thousands to die, in a war we can never win based on a terror attack clouded by a massive and continuing coverup such as could only be part of something depressingly sinister.
Is not wanting to find the truth because we fear learning something so sickening we will live in shock for decades a reason to sacrifice the lives of thousands of our young men and women for nothing? Are we cowards?
Since the end of World War 2, the United States has dreamed of control of the Middle East. That policy has had little to do with defending Israel, now a great military power on its own. For years, we jockeyed with the Russians, us with Iran, Turkey and Israel and them with Egypt and Syria as military allies.
There was always one reason. The world has a limited supply of oil. There was no Islamic extremism, not in a serious way, until we needed it in Afghanistan for our "cold war" against Russia, a war fought there, fought in Korea, a war fought in Vietnam, a "cold war" fought by Americans and in a series of assassination, otherthrown governments and rigged elections around the world.
Are we still involved in the same games the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen started after World War 2, world domination for American commercial interests, even if no American survives to enjoy it?
Is Washington filled with great minds and idealists? Did we go to war to promote democracy or destroy Islam to bring about a Christian world? Was our goal to bring about the "Armageddon and rapture" that so many Bushites droned on about when the audience was right?
Should we be judged by facts, what we have done and how it has worked out? If one were to look at a world financial market looted, drained dry while endless weath has piled up, is that an indicator? How did oil hit $140 a barrel with no real market to drive it? It won’t hold half that price, even with speculation now.
What was different? Did a change of government cause that?
We spent tens of billions on armored vehicles to survive IEDs. We spent much of a decade working on technologies to find and disarm them and now none of those things exist, the vehicles, the technology, none of it works. Are we moving backwards too? With dozens of Pentagon reports, patting themselves on the back for protecting our troops, press notices, videos, was all of it lies? The death toll says so.
40 years ago, we could read a license plate from space and we can’t find explosives 50 feet away?
If we are going to sacrifice a generation of our children in a war, a war we were originally told was to promote Christian democracy to people who would rather give their lives murdering us than live under it, are we making good decisions?
Do fat contracts and and huge profits and the millions poured into the pockets of our politicians cloud our judgement? Who does Washington listen to? Who is in charge now?
Is Afghanistan going to be a base for continued war against the United States, even if we pull our troops out? If so, wouldn’t we have the right to erase them from the face of the Earth using capabilities we have long had, ones that exist for just such an occasion?
How insane is sending our children, trained, armed to the teeth, into a village of opium growing illiterates tasked with moving them forward 2000 years? No matter how much we spin this war or Iraq, it is still going to have a smell, a smell that started on 9/11.
Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and regular contributor on political and social issues.
I looked for a link to an archives to Mr. Duff’s articles. Did I miss it? I would like to catch up.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=VT_Authors&author=gordonduff
just spent 30 lost minutes typing up a response that may have rambled a bit, but was pertinent. it all disappeared due to the wrong code. fuk it.
Barrie,
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND that you copy your response onto a clipboard before posting. I expect the system here to screw up and am seldom disappointed.
g
Dear Dufster
I press the right button on the mouse and the copy part is not avalibel. Any suggestons when our computers wont allow us to push the copy button?
Terry
Just found how to get copy. The arrow must be in this box. WIll try it now. Ill be so happy if it works. At one time I was getting half of my writtings errased. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.Dear Dufster
I press the right button on the mouse and the copy part is not avalibel. Any suggestons when our computers wont allow us to push the copy button?
Terry
Andrew Jackson once said, "It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes."
Things have not changed much since his time obviously. Who is behind the horror on 9/11/01? I frankly do not know but apparently some very , very smart people do not believe the official report. The official report now seems to be called into question by some of the people that helped prepare it. Yow! That is saying something and that alone needs to be investigated.
Our government, our federal republic, is supposed to be run in a full disclosure, accountable and transparent fashion. As you can tell, regardless of what political party holds Congress or the White House, that is not the case. The Bushites obviously used the debacle of the attacks on 9/11 for purposes that are cloudy at best and very sinsiter at worst. But what were those purposes? Who gained from these western Asian wars that seem to make no national defense sense? Why are American taxpayers so eagerly paying tax money in wars that only kill their kids for purposes that are simply not visible to the average American.
Why are we there? It cannot be forward defense, the doctrine of "kill the there before we have to kill them here". "Them" seems to be a bunch of stone age sheepherders deeply involved in the War of the Muslim Reformation spread out over four or five Muslim countries which we have never really had much interest in prior to 9/11. They pose no danger to us. Even I can tell that.
We are in much more danger from fifth columnists in this country either (1) trying to kill us with backpack bombs on the metro or (2) trying to kill our kids by making sure that they are engaged in the Middle East that their political patrons want waged on American tax dollars for……exactly….what reason? I am not sure. Is anybody?
How is the defense of the United States and/or her economy enhanced by troops being in these countries? I just don’t get it. Do you?
CWO3 Tom Barnes, USCG (Ret.)
Tom,
We need to take a look at this.
g
9/11 is a controlled demolition, a pretext for war. Per irrefutable scientific evidence, and per common sense.
Towers cannot explode, implode and pulverize with a speed of 10 floors per second, unless aided by explosives.
Nanothermite high explosive was found in the dust of vaporized towers.
We need independent polygraph investigation.
http://911truth.org – http://ae911truth.org – science – http://stj911.org – http://911blogger.com – http://journalof911studies.com
http://911UnitedWeInvestigate.blogspot.com – http://twiter.com/911news
I’m for independent water boarding investigation of 911. That will get to the truth Just ask Chenney, as a matter of fact why not ask him while water boarding him about his role in 911
Hey Warrant, you’re for a lot of things, but you can’t walk the walk. We’re still waiting for you to prove your vicious allegations against Glenn Beck. C’mon, Chief. Show us the proof. Oh, you can’t? Just an old windbag warrant, right? You shame your rank, your branch and your Nation. You Make VT less relevant and less believable when you start rumors and feed them into the stream. I’d bust your butt back to E-1 and then SEction 8 you.
Mr. Duff,
I accessed your report from the 911blogger.com website and was absolutely amazed. My sentiments are exactly the same as yours but I never expected to see them at a website devoted to veterans. I am a 20 year Army veteran who feels the offical government story of what happened on 9/11 is the real “conspiracy” story. I applaud you for what you have written.
Debra,
As many of us here at VT are Middle East specialists of one kind or another after years of looting, lying and killing, we feel qualified to comment occasionally.
g
Gordon, you are a shining example of a patriot who takes his oath seriously. All enemies, foreign and domestic. Cheney was involved in 9/11, Dov Zakheim was in involved in 9/11, and sadly it appears Israeli elements were involved in 9/11. Everyone, if you want a through accounting of how 9/11 happened and who is involved, click this link:
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11424
Until someone can prove to me they have had a real investigation assuming anything other than what you are stating is foolish.
Who stopped the investigation?
Who has shut the press down, keeping real news from the public?
Who has that power?
g
I will modestly answer Mr. Duff’s question: “Who has that power?”. Well, the only force capable of silencing the TRUTH, manipulating the public opinion and waging vicious campaigns against anyone who challenge its editorial line (cases of Freeman, Mearsheimer & Walt, Norman Finkelstein, the UCLA professor who dared discuss the Middle East using a facts an angles distinct to the AIPAC manual, etc.) is the Conglomerate that OWNS the MEDIA, i.e. the Zion-Talmudist Tribe, manipulating and promoting in the USA-EUROPE policies and interests contradictory to those of the USA-EU, and serving, media-money & soul, a rogue state: Israel, implementing a world dominance plan encompassing the financial-monetary and political areas.
I am catching up with back issues of VT, reading the information and news the mainstream media keep an air tight lid on, and do all what they can to hide from the public, using trivia and banter as diversion or direct lies. This stuff should have a wide diffusion in schools and campuses, to create a healthy consciousness about what is at stake and who the 5 th Column that is impoverishing the USA (erosion of sound values by cheap Zionywood films and stereotyped role models, speculation and bubbles, Banksters, promotion of wars, huge capital transfer to East Europe and China, loss of jobs at home, Mega Frauds in Wall Street, Campus Watch Outfit muzzling any debate about real issues or investigation about how America got where it is and by the fault of whom, Control of Congress, Senate and even the White House though subtle and intricate mechanisms, — See why Creg Graig resigned as president Obama Chief Lawyer and why Obama changed tack to survive–, etc.) and killing its sons and daughters is.
9/11 Truth
Hey Gordon!
This should be required reading for every single one of our kids in high school in America.
We need to educate these kids NOT to join our American military.
And we need strict term limits.
Please go here:
http://www.centurionus.com/
I have an answer to how we, as loyal Americans, can take back our country. That answer is in the web site I just asked you to visit.
I could also join you and others in saying "YAHOO" to your words above, but to me, it would be like preaching to the choir. Our beloved nation is now run by international criminals, and many of them are in our Congress. Our President is a Black Liar. Our economy has tanked and is only going to get worse. We are building Federal Prisons 24/7/365, day and night! We have more people in them than any other country on earth. Our military is running on empty. Our Troops are taking it in the shorts.
Keep up the good work. You are a gifted writer, and a man of truth. Don’t let the rats chew on your bootstraps.
LT Bobby Ross
After two wars, two branches of the military, twenty two medals and ribbons, I have to agree with Duff,…..bring em home, get out of there!!!
Hope one of those branches was the Corps….the first one.
g
Gordon,
you are a true American.
We Europeans feel sorry for the people of America. 9/11 was a coup d’etat – don’t accept it. Fight back.
God Bless.
I humbly suggest that you all watch Glenn Beck for 5 consecutive days.
He does more to spell out and diagram the “connections” than anyone else on either side of the political spectrum. He’s the messenger. Listen and watch. He surprised the hell out of me since I expected a rabid far right nut. Not so. When you see how he connects Obama, Soros, SEIU, public option health care, Apollo, Acorn and a couple of other interconnected entities (with names, not rumors), it’s fascinating. For those of you on the left, so is he (some issues), believes McCain would have been worse as president than Obama and would possibly have voted for Hillary. It’s worth a watch – especially if you believe (as many of us do) that there really are conspiracies. But do it for 5 consecutive days. Otherwise, you miss the big picture. It’s not too ethical to bitch about him unless you’ve actually watched him for 5 consecutive days. It’s the same as reading Duff just one time and then bitching about him.
Geez Max,
Why aren’t you out helping Rosebrock? The damned VA is trying to put him in jail. I am not claiming to be a Mormon Prophet and the reincarnation of Thomas Paine.
Of course, I hate Beck because years of drinking left him looking all puffy. I hate that in a man.
g
I didn’t ask you to love Beck. I asked you to watch him for 5 consecutive days. Yes, he was a heavy drinker but not in years. Just
as Obama was a druggie but (I hope) not in years. If you are truly interested in some of the conspiracies that besmirch our Nation, then watch him. If says John Doe said “X,” he will show you the video of John Doe actually saying “X.” Surely, in your research you would not willingly walk away from a source just because you “hate him.” Hell, half your articles quote people you hate. So add one more, but watch him for 5 consecutive days. Then let us know how the Beck version
matches your version of conspiracy. I think you will find that he asks questions just as you do and your questions are parallel.
Glenn Beck is a snake and a huckster who pretends to fight against both parties while propping up the Republican party. He is a lying neocon scumbag who for the most part only has on neocon and zionist guests. He worked for both CNN and Fox News, 2 of the worst media outlets in America. He shilled for the criminal Bush/Cheney clan for years while they spent our money, waged illegal wars and pissed on our constitution. Now he pretends to be a “libertarian”. I’m not falling for it. He is an obvious shill.
Well, I don’t know who “Are you serious?” is, but as Tom Barnes has said more than once, you must be a coward not to tell us who you are. (He always tells me that – even though he has a pretty good idea who I really am.) It is clear that you really don’t watch Beck so obviously you are taking your marching orders from those who believe in shooting the messenger unless he is marching to the Marxist Cadence. A pity. You miss so much by not being able to think for yourself. Peace, Bro. Comes the revolution, yours are the first the Marxists get rid of. After all, if you can’t be loyal to your own Country, you won’t be loyal to theirs. They may be dumb, but they ain’t stupid. (PS: YOu missed a great Beck show today. He had a bunch of Moms on.)
Most ironic statement EVER uttered to me? A Glenn Beck fan(you) told me that I don’t think for myself. Wow. The very definition of irony. Thanks for the laugh.
I don’t watch Beck, I can only marginaly listen to him on the radio. Not that I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, It’s just the way he says it. It’s hard to follow his train of thought, and he is such a whiner, and I can’t stand a whiner. It makes him inaffective.
“.. we can’t trust this as a reason to kill thousands more Americans.”
So lets lets get this straight Mr Duff…. Over a million Iraqis have been killed and god knows how many civillians in Afghanistan…. yet the only thing bugging you is the ‘few thousand Americans’. As if anyone elses death is of no consequence…. no?
It’s exactly this kind of thinking that got your country into the mess it’s in.
As for those ‘opium growing illiterates’… they seem to be doing rather well, fending off the worlds superpower (and it’s helpers) with nothing more than second hand kalishnikovs….. you’d do well to learn from one of them.
right up until the end, i was agreeing with you. but to learn something from a caveman, ya gotta first get on his level. is this something you are ready to do? i’m too damned old to go live in a cave and snipe at people. i’m resigned to waiting for them to come to my door. it’ll be brief, and violent. my hope is they have blue helmets.
Dear Barrie W.
I dont need to get to ‘his level’.. cos he’s not my enemy, and hence there is no need to be fighting him. If you were to pause for a moment you’d realise he’s not actually your enemy either…. except for the fact that your govt is telling you so. As for the caveman turning up at your doorstep (I’m asuming your American)… that is so unrealistic that I dont think you take it seriously….. or maybe I misunderstand you?
Gordon Duff, September 28, 2009
Hello Gordon,
I sadly fear that you are once more “on target” with your Afghan take. The older I get…the more I believe that our “leaders” are capable of ANYTHING. I do not put the capability of acting out the most despicable acts beyond them.
I am too aware after my own Vietnam experiences (and all that I have seen since) that the foolish spending young American lives on an unwinable conflict. Afghanistan is a sewer of funds that could, and should, be spent in our OWN country, fixing OUR problems, not supporting (again) yet another corrupt government fro the benefit of the well entrenched war machine.
Keep up the good work…you are not alone in your opinions.
Regards,
Vet613
As often as I do disagree with you, I only have one thing to say about this WAR in Afghanistan. We could win it swiftly if we were’t fighting it on a P.C. level, and were alowed to actually fight.
However, again you need to get your FACTS straight, as this stoy is rddled with false acusations, AGAIN!
Do yourself a favor and copy and paste the link Chris provides above. Read the entire thing. It will take a little while, stick with it. Be a man, stop being a gullible weak minded lemming and do the research. Here you go, and this is just a start mind you:
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11424
The lead paragraph is somewhat misleading where it says that,” ‘Everyone under heaven has told us that fighting in Afghanistan is insane.” A more complete statement would remind us that all the Democrats, led by Candidate Obama, screamed and hollered that Afghanistan was the REAL WAR, not Iraq. Obama even made it clear that he would (and he did) downgrade the Iraq situaiton and upgrade the Afghan situation. So it stretches credibility to suddenly assert that fighting in Afghan is insane.” On the other hand, of course, there are those who have serious questions about the mental stability of Obama. It is said that the “bad guys” think he’s weak. My fear is that -pushed to the brink- he will use massive military armaments to wipe out those who stand between him and his goal of World God. A weak man with the power of nukes is a man to be feared.
Always grinding that ax at the Democrats huh? Spoken like a true brainwashed partisan Glenn Beck fan. BOTH sides of the coin are rotten and you only attack one like a good little MSM watching sheep. Sad. Obama and Bush are both puppets, both parties are rotten, stop being a tool Stop watching cable news, especially Fox.
You know why it’s really obvious that you are too brainwashed and out of touch to realize it yourself? I mean besides you being a fan of Glenn Beck. The way you assume I’m a fan of Obama or on the “left” just because I don’t like Becks obvious disinfo sideshow. You are so stuck in the phony left/right paradigm, and its people like Beck that profit from your stupidity. He does a good job of “connecting the dots” in a totally partisan and shallow way that always ignores the tops of the pyramid. And he only attacks one side. I dislike BOTH corrupt parties, Beck and his ilk pretend to be like that but prop up one side. Beck doesn’t “expose” anything, he engages in diversions and empty partisan pot shots. ACORN is corrupt, but there is such deeper, more obvious corruption that Beck and the MSM ignores. I saw Becks show tons of times when he was on CNN and plenty of times now that hes on Fox, and his show was a pack of lies and partisan crap then, and it still is now. Beck is a joke, you have to be extremely gullible and naive to fall for his phony bullshit. ALL of our media is corrupt and fails to TRULY “connect the dots”, but Beck and Fox are in fact some of the worst that our media has to offer. This isnt about ‘left” or “right” like tools are taught to think everything is(beck is good at perpetuating that), this is about the truth and Beck is a snake. Did he “connect the dots” during the Bush years between Cheney and Iran? Or between Bush Sr and Osama Buin LAdens brother Shaffeg on teh Carlyle group? No, he didn’t, because his job is to fool idiots into thinking its all “the lefts” fault, and all a “marxist-socialist! oh my!” conspiracy. By the way, do you know what marxist means? Or does it just sound good coming out of Becks mouth? You trust the media. Admit it, you actually trust Fox News as if they are any better than the rest of the media. Go ahead and make my point for me…..
You’re like that old song, “Ramblin’ Rose” because where you’re going, no-one knows. I do know this: When a man is as filled with hatred as you are, he can never get well. So until you release all that hatred, your physical ailments will be with you and only become more severe with the passage of time. I also know this: Beck invites anyone who believes he is a liar to send him the proof. In your case, he might even invite you to be on the show and face him mano y mano. As for my attacks on Democrats, usually it’s because someone has forgotten to tell the whole truth, so I just add the other side. Would I be correct in assuming that only YOU connect the dots since all the media is corrupt and we can’t get the truth except from you? But just in case I’ve misinterpreted, WHERE do you get YOUR truth and dot-connecting ability?
Why didn’t you answer his questions “The Blue Max”? I think you just proved his point for him. I didn’t see hate, I see that he has you pegged for the gullible partisan tool you clearly are.
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11424
Dear “Are you Serious:” What was the question you’d like me to answer? So far, all I see is a ranting person who has decided that name-calling is really the ultimate Art of Logic. You’ve called Glenn Beck: snake, huckster, lying neocon scumbag, shill, obvious disinfo,
totally partisan, shallow, pack of lies, a joke and a couple of other names. Hell, you can’t even prove those nasty little slurs let alone the names you’ve called me. You’re not well. But in your wet-dreams, I’m sure you see the exciting dictatorship fo the proletariet with a bit of Lenin’s classless society thrown in. In case you’ve forgotten, you still haven’t denied my point re the Democrats claiming Afghanistan was the real war, not Bush’s Iraq and screaming (led by the Messiah himself) out all kinds of names (surely you remember!) at Bush. In your blindness, you missed the obvious that I was not attacking Democrats; I was just reminding us all of the truth. Ooops. You can’t handle the truth. Sorry. I forgot.
All of those “slurs” are demonstrably true just by watching Becks program. And again, I think you just made his point by falling back into blind partisanship(Lenin! But Obama! But Bush! But the DEMOCRATS!!!!). Buddy, some of us see through the left/right diversions and BS. You obviously do not. Keep propping up the right hand of the elite that hates and uses you buddy, and us real patriots will keep fighting both the left and right hands. Keep watching that idiot box old buddy, they would never lie to you or try and dumb you down…..
9/11 Nukes – Radiation-induced cancers
Watch this video …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FNGWsjj_Y