IN THE DARK: AMERICA'S DESCENT INTO A POLICE STATE
October 3, 2009 posted by Gordon Duff · 25 Comments
MANIPULATED AMERICA: DIVIDED WE FALL
"From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back…A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey."…FBI translator, Sibel Edmonds in the American Conservative
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER
Top US officials are reported to have been selling US nuclear weapons secrets around the world as part of a spy ring which includes members of Congress from both parties. These and other accusations are broadly substantiated, but only by the American Conservative and newspapers around the world, including significant revelations about a 9/11 coverup. How can this be done in a "free country?"
Massive penetration of, not only Congress, but the Pentagon and State Department are outlined in detail, naming those involved and how it was done. Foreign intelligence agencies from Israel, Turkey and Pakistan, regularly accessed highly classified information and sold it around the world, even to terrorist organizations.
If 9/11 was a terrorist attack, inside job or planned to drag the US into an endless war in the Middle East for some other purpose, the information needed to plan the attacks was sold or given away by high ranking Americans who were under investigation by the FBI until 2001.
That investigation was ended by the Bush Administration and buried using States Secret Privilege, leading to the biggest espionage disaster in American history. This doctrine, since 2001, has been used to end nearly every aspect of accountability in our government. Any information can be withheld from Congessional investigations, such as with the 9/11 Commission and any whistleblower can be silenced, even those reporting threats to national security, as with Sibel Edmonds.
"John Ashcroft’s Justice Department confirmed Edmonds’s veracity in a backhanded way by twice invoking the dubious State Secrets Privilege so she could not tell what she knows. The ACLU has called her “the most gagged person in the history of the United States of America.”"
Since 2001 and continuing thru with President Obama, a regime of suppression and disinformation has taken over in Washington, totally unaccountable to Congress or the people. With the destruction of any ability for a people to make an informed decision through state secrecy laws without oversight and limit, there can be no democratic rule.
What are the basic mechanisms to overthrow a democracy?
If you control three institutions, you control a nation. First is the press. If you can manipulate the news, suppressing stories, stopping investigations and protecting "flawed" individuals while making the public look under their beds for imaginary enemies, your power is almost unlimited.
Second is government itself. If you can control government by putting the real power in the hands of a few committee chairmen or key "deal makers" and can flood the system with dirty money, there will be no real investigations, only coverups and no real laws, only raids on the public treasury by the powerful while crumbs are passed out to others.
Third is public opinion. Turning an intelligent electorate into a howling mob requires an endless series of both outlandish conspiracies and real threats, the truth behind all being misdirected through a concerted effort to divide a populace and keep them at each other, even to the brink of civil war, all to protect the economic cabal growing fat off "terror war" and "deregulation," a buzzword for massive theft.
When former FBI translator, Sibel Edmonds, reported that Osama bin Laden was an active US asset up to the second the planes hit the twin towers on 9/11, she was put under Patriot Act gag orders by Attorney General John Ashcroft that lasted for years. Now that she is speaking, laying out facts supported by key FBI and CIA experts, nothing is hitting our papers. How bad are the facts being kept from us?
While we were pretending to use our Patriot Acts to defend America through torturing suspects to get the truth, we are learning that much more of that coerced testimony may have been gathered to support a wide coverup of government crimes, many at the highest level. The American Conservative goes on:
These are some of the things Edmond has sworn to under oath, taken from an interview with former CIA official Philip Geraldi printed in the American Conservative:
PHILIP GIRALDI: We were very interested to learn of your four-hour deposition in the case involving allegations that Congresswoman Jean Schmidt accepted money from the Turkish government in return for political favors. You provided many names and details for the first time on the record and swore an oath confirming that the deposition was true.
Basically, you map out a corruption scheme involving U.S. government employees and members of Congress and agents of foreign governments. These agents were able to obtain information that was either used directly by those foreign governments or sold to third parties, with the proceeds often used as bribes to breed further corruption. Let’s start with the first government official you identified, Marc Grossman, then the third highest-ranking official at the State Department.
SIBEL EDMONDS: During my work with the FBI, one of the major operational files that I was transcribing and translating started in late 1996 and continued until 2002, when I left the Bureau. Because the FBI had had no Turkish translators, these files were archived, but were considered to be very important operations. As part of the background, I was briefed about why these operations had been initiated and who the targets were.
Grossman became a person of interest early on in the investigative file while he was the U.S. ambassador to Turkey [1994-97], when he became personally involved with operatives both from the Turkish government and from suspected criminal groups. He also had suspicious contact with a number of official and non-official Israelis. Grossman was removed from Turkey short of tour during a scandal referred to as “Susurluk” by the media. It involved a number of high-level criminals as well as senior army and intelligence officers with whom he had been in contact.
Another individual who was working for Grossman, Air Force Major Douglas Dickerson, was also removed from Turkey and sent to Germany. After he and his Turkish wife Can returned to the U.S., he went to work for Douglas Feith and she was hired as an FBI Turkish translator. My complaints about her connection to Turkish lobbying groups led to my eventual firing.
Grossman and Dickerson had to leave the country because a big investigation had started in Turkey. Special prosecutors were appointed, and the case was headlined in England, Germany, Italy, and in some of the Balkan countries because the criminal groups were found to be active in all those places. A leading figure in the scandal, Mehmet Eymür, led a major paramilitary group for the Turkish intelligence service. To keep him from testifying, Eymür was sent by the Turkish government to the United States, where he worked for eight months as head of intelligence at the Turkish Embassy in Washington. He later became a U.S. citizen and now lives in McLean, Virginia. The central figure in this scandal was Abdullah Catli. In 1989, while “most wanted” by Interpol, he came to the U.S., was granted residency, and settled in Chicago, where he continued to conduct his operations until 1996.
GIRALDI: So Grossman at this point comes back to the United States. He’s rewarded with the third-highest position at the State Department, and he allegedly uses this position to do favors for “Turkish interests”—both for the Turkish government and for possible criminal interests. Sometimes, the two converge. The FBI is aware of his activities and is listening to his phone calls. When someone who is Turkish calls Grossman, the FBI monitors that individual’s phone calls, and when the Turk calls a friend who is a Pakistani or an Egyptian or a Saudi, they monitor all those contacts, widening the net.
EDMONDS: Correct.
GIRALDI: And Grossman received money as a result. In one case, you said that a State Department colleague went to pick up a bag of money…
EDMONDS: $14,000
GIRALDI: What kind of information was Grossman giving to foreign countries? Did he give assistance to foreign individuals penetrating U.S. government labs and defense installations as has been reported? It’s also been reported that he was the conduit to a group of congressmen who become, in a sense, the targets to be recruited as “agents of influence.”
EDMONDS: Yes, that’s correct. Grossman assisted his Turkish and Israeli contacts directly, and he also facilitated access to members of Congress who might be inclined to help for reasons of their own or could be bribed into cooperation. The top person obtaining classified information was Congressman Tom Lantos. A Lantos associate, Alan Makovsky worked very closely with Dr. Sabri Sayari in Georgetown University, who is widely believed to be a Turkish spy. Lantos would give Makovsky highly classified policy-related documents obtained during defense briefings for passage to Israel because Makovsky was also working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
GIRALDI: Makovsky is now working for the Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, a pro-Israeli think tank.
EDMONDS: Yes. Lantos was at the time probably the most outspoken supporter of Israel in Congress. AIPAC would take out the information from Lantos that was relevant to Israel, and they would give the rest of it to their Turkish associates. The Turks would go through the leftovers, take what they wanted, and then try to sell the rest. If there were something relevant to Pakistan, they would contact the ISI officer at the embassy and say, “We’ve got this and this, let’s sit down and talk.” And then they would sell it to the Pakistanis.
GIRALDI: ISI—Pakistani intelligence—has been linked to the Pakistani nuclear proliferation program as well as to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
So the FBI was monitoring these connections going from a congressman to a congressman’s assistant to a foreign individual who is connected with intelligence to other intelligence people who are located at different embassies in Washington. And all of this information is in an FBI file somewhere?
EDMONDS: Two sets of FBI files, but the AIPAC-related files and the Turkish files ended up converging in one. The FBI agents believed that they were looking at the same operation. It didn’t start with AIPAC originally. It started with the Israeli Embassy. The original targets were intelligence officers under diplomatic cover in the Turkish Embassy and the Israeli Embassy. It was those contacts that led to the American Turkish Council and the Assembly of Turkish American Associations and then to AIPAC fronting for the Israelis. It moved forward from there.
GIRALDI: So the FBI was monitoring people from the Israeli Embassy and the Turkish Embassy and one, might presume, the Pakistani Embassy as well?
EDMONDS: They were the secondary target. They got leftovers from the Turks and Israelis. The FBI would intercept communications to try to identify who the diplomatic target’s intelligence chief was, but then, in addition to that, there are individuals there, maybe the military attaché, who had their own contacts who were operating independently of others in the embassy.
GIRALDI: So the network starts with a person like Grossman in the State Department providing information that enables Turkish and Israeli intelligence officers to have access to people in Congress, who then provide classified information that winds up in the foreign embassies?
EDMONDS: Absolutely. And we also had Pentagon officials doing the same thing. We were looking at Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. They had a list of individuals in the Pentagon broken down by access to certain types of information. Some of them would be policy related, some of them would be weapons-technology related, some of them would be nuclear-related. Perle and Feith would provide the names of those Americans, officials in the Pentagon, to Grossman, together with highly sensitive personal information: this person is a closet gay; this person has a chronic gambling issue; this person is an alcoholic. The files on the American targets would contain things like the size of their mortgages or whether they were going through divorces. One Air Force major I remember was going through a really nasty divorce and a child custody fight. They detailed all different kinds of vulnerabilities.
GIRALDI: So they had access to their personnel files and also their security files and were illegally accessing this kind of information to give to foreign agents who exploited the vulnerabilities of these people to recruit them as sources of information?
EDMONDS: Yes. Some of those individuals on the list were also working for the RAND Corporation. RAND ended up becoming one of the prime targets for these foreign agents.
GIRALDI: RAND does highly classified research for the U.S. government. So they were setting up these people for recruitment as agents or as agents of influence?
EDMONDS: Yes, and the RAND sources would be paid peanuts compared to what the information was worth when it was sold if it was not immediately useful for Turkey or Israel. They also had sources who were working in some midwestern Air Force bases. The sources would provide the information on CD’s and DVD’s. In one case, for example, a Turkish military attaché got the disc and discovered that it was something really important, so he offered it to the Pakistani ISI person at the embassy, but the price was too high. Then a Turkish contact in Chicago said he knew two Saudi businessmen in Detroit who would be very interested in this information, and they would pay the price. So the Turkish military attaché flew to Detroit with his assistant to make the sale.
GIRALDI: We know Grossman was receiving money for services.
EDMONDS: Yes. Sometimes he would give money to the people who were working with him, identified in phone calls on a first-name basis, whether it’s a John or a Joe. He also took care of some other people, including his contact at the New York Times. Grossman would brag, “We just fax to our people at the New York Times. They print it under their names.”
GIRALDI: Did Feith and Perle receive any money that you know of?
EDMONDS: No.
GIRALDI: So they were doing favors for other reasons. Both Feith and Perle were lobbyists for Turkey and also were involved with Israel on defense contracts, including some for Northrop Grumman, which Feith represented in Israel.
EDMONDS: They had arrangements with various companies, some of them members of the American Turkish Council. They had arrangements with Kissinger’s group, with Northrop Grumman, with former secretary of state James Baker’s group, and also with former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft.
The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region. The three Defense Department officials said that would be more than they could agree to, but they continued daily communications to the ambassador and his defense attaché in an attempt to convince them to help.
Meanwhile Scowcroft, who was also the chairman of the American Turkish Council, Baker, Richard Armitage, and Grossman began negotiating separately for a possible Turkish protectorate. Nothing was decided, and then 9/11 took place.
Scowcroft was all for invading Iraq in 2001 and even wrote a paper for the Pentagon explaining why the Turkish northern front would be essential. I know Scowcroft came off as a hero to some for saying he was against the war, but he was very much for it until his client’s conditions were not met by the Bush administration.
GIRALDI: Armitage was deputy secretary of state at the time Scowcroft and Baker were running their own consulting firms that were doing business with Turkey. Grossman had just become undersecretary, third in the State hierarchy behind Armitage.
You’ve previouly alluded to efforts by Grossman, as well as high-ranking officials at the Pentagon, to place Ph.D. students. Can you describe that in more detail?
EDMONDS: The seeding operation started before Marc Grossman arrived at the State Department. The Turkish agents had a network of Turkish professors in various universities with access to government information. Their top source was a Turkish-born professor of nuclear physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He was useful because MIT would place a bunch of Ph.D. or graduate-level students in various nuclear facilities like Sandia or Los Alamos, and some of them were able to work for the Air Force. He would provide the list of Ph.D. students who should get these positions. In some cases, the Turkish military attaché would ask that certain students be placed in important positions. And they were not necessarily all Turkish, but the ones they selected had struck deals with the Turkish agents to provide information in return for money. If for some reason they had difficulty getting a secuity clearance, Grossman would ensure that the State Department would arrange to clear them.
In exchange for the information that these students would provide, they would be paid $4,000 or $5,000. And the information that was sold to the two Saudis in Detroit went for something like $350,000 or $400,000.
GIRALDI: This corruption wasn’t confined to the State Department and the Pentagon—it infected Congress as well. You’ve named people like former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, now a registered agent of the Turkish government. In your deposition, you describe the process of breaking foreign-originated contributions into small units, $200 or less, so that the source didn’t have to be reported. Was this the primary means of influencing congressmen, or did foreign agents exploit vulnerabilities to get what they wanted using something like blackmail?
EDMONDS: In early 1997, because of the information that the FBI was getting on the Turkish diplomatic community, the Justice Department had already started to investigate several Republican congressmen. The number-one congressman involved with the Turkish community, both in terms of providing information and doing favors, was Bob Livingston. Number-two after him was Dan Burton, and then he became number-one until Hastert became the speaker of the House. Bill Clinton’s attorney general, Janet Reno, was briefed on the investigations, and since they were Republicans, she authorized that they be continued.
Well, as the FBI developed more information, Tom Lantos was added to this list, and then they got a lot on Douglas Feith and Richard Perle and Marc Grossman. At this point, the Justice Department said they wanted the FBI to only focus on Congress, leaving the executive branch people out of it. But the FBI agents involved wanted to continue pursuing Perle and Feith because the Israeli Embassy was also connected. Then the Monica Lewinsky scandal erupted, and everything was placed on the back burner.
But some of the agents continued to investigate the congressional connection. In 1999, they wiretapped the congressmen directly. (Prior to that point they were getting all their information secondhand through FISA, as their primary targets were foreigners.) The questionably legal wiretap gave the perfect excuse to the Justice Department. As soon as they found out, they refused permission to monitor the congressmen and Grossman as primary targets. But the inquiry was kept alive in Chicago because the FBI office there was pursuing its own investigation. The epicenter of a lot of the foreign espionage activity was Chicago.
GIRALDI: So the investigation stopped in Washington, but continued in Chicago?
EDMONDS: Yes, and in 2000, another representative was added to the list, Jan Schakowsky, the Democratic congresswoman from Illinois. Turkish agents started gathering information on her, and they found out that she was bisexual. So a Turkish agent struck up a relationship with her. When Jan Schakowsky’s mother died, the Turkish woman went to the funeral, hoping to exploit her vulnerability. They later were intimate in Schakowsky’s townhouse, which had been set up with recording devices and hidden cameras. They needed Schakowsky and her husband Robert Creamer to perform certain illegal operational facilitations for them in Illinois. They already had Hastert, the mayor, and several other Illinois state senators involved. I don’t know if Congresswoman Schakowsky ever was actually blackmailed or did anything for the Turkish woman.
GIRALDI: So we have a pattern of corruption starting with government officials providing information to foreigners and helping them make contact with other Americans who had valuable information. Some of these officials, like Marc Grossman, were receiving money directly. Others were receiving business favors: Pentagon associates like Doug Feith and Richard Perle had interests in Israel and Turkey. The stolen information was being sold, and the money that was being generated was used to corrupt certain congressmen to influence policy and provide still more information—in many cases information related to nuclear technology.
EDMONDS: As well as weapons technology, conventional weapons technology, and Pentagon policy-related information.
GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact continued until 9/11…
EDMONDS: I don’t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the U.S. government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups, including Abdullah Çatli’s group, Fethullah Gülen.
GIRALDI: Well, that could be either Joint Special Operations Command or CIA.
EDMONDS: Maybe in a lot of cases when they said State Department, they meant CIA?
GIRALDI: When they said State Department, they probably meant CIA.
EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them.
There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back.
GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?
EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched were coming with suitcases of heroin.
GIRALDI: And, of course, none of this has been investigated. What do you think the chances are that the Obama administration will try to end this criminal activity?
EDMONDS: Well, even during Obama’s presidential campaign, I did not buy into his slogan of “change” being promoted by the media and, unfortunately, by the naïve blogosphere. First of all, Obama’s record as a senator, short as it was, spoke clearly. For all those changes that he was promising, he had done nothing. In fact, he had taken the opposite position, whether it was regarding the NSA’s wiretapping or the issue of national-security whistleblowers. We whistleblowers had written to his Senate office. He never responded, even though he was on the relevant committees. (end)
Our questions regarding Edmonds and the extent of what her charges mean are several:
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How can an FBI investigation of this scope be ended so quickly without any information reaching the public? We have come to believe that everything is leaked? How is such control maintained?
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When a story like this is broken, why is there no followup investigation by the FBI, Congress or any attempt by investigative reporters, outside a few, to tell the American people the truth?
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Why has President Obama kept the same repressive and illegal policies in place that were used by the Bush administration?
We are well beyond conspiracy theory. With the ability of our government to silence this story, which undermines the official versions of nearly everything from 9/11 to the most basic aspects of our national security, can any version of anything, investigated or not, commissions or not, ever be taken as more than part of the real conspiracy behind the conspiracies?
We have long accepted that our government was for sale to the highest bidder and that our press sold its soul after 9/11 for the privilege of being fed lies and continual access to more of the same. Anyone breaking with the crowd was cut off, denied access and pushed out.
A government operating in secret is, in itself, a conspiracy. Everyone working to stifle open government, end challenges to government power and continue down this path is a part of this conspiracy. They are working against, not only the idea of democracy, but against the lives of everyone living in America. This has left Americans subject to war for profit, rigged elections, economic slavery at the hands of financial pirates and the Obama administrations willingness to continue Bush era policies to impoverish working Americans.
The saddest part of this is the willingness of millions of Americans to join in to silence any movement for a free government. Under the guise of patriotism, extremist groups, funded and organized, sometimes publicly, sometimes secretly, by special interest and supported by massive press organizations, some under foreign control,
Groups clamoring for "freedom," sometimes armed, are working feverishly on behalf of war profiteers, foreign spy agencies and criminal elements in our power elite. Why is suppressing the truth about 9/11 a way of making us free? Why is challenging the oil and defense cartels considered fascism?
The real goal is power, economic power. Stealing oil, running drugs and looting our defense budget is only part of it. With continual talk about conspiracies, Zionists, Socialists and endless cabals running a secret government, the real power, the multinational corporations and banking consortiums that control the Federal Reserve system, set oil and commodity prices, manipulate currencies set the course of human history, all unseen, have been around for decades.
Governments come and go, elections, real or rigged, assassinations, coups, none of it means much. Even the most secure democracy can be taken down by a handful of dedicated men, be they terrorists, spies or foreign agents. 9/11 proved that.
If only the intelligent can see and understand the danger, then the real cabal attacks the intelligent as "liberal" and "weak."
If the patriotic and brave become a danger, send them to war or give them an imaginary enemy, fill the news with warnings and alerts.
If an investigation starts, channel it into a pet "paid off" Congressman or two and feed it lies. Lying is now an honorable part of our national secuity effort.
If someone stands up, what happens? With Edmonds, John Ashcroft issued executive orders to have her silenced. Others are called "truthers" as a way of discrediting them. How have we sunk to the point where asking for the truth can discredit someone?
If a story threatens to break, debunkers, agents of the cabal, jump on it immediately. They come in two flavors:
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Debunkers present wild and implausible explanations attacking eye witness testimony, science and even video evidence using sarcasm and backed by powerful organizations. Debunkers need prove nothing, only claim, with no accountability, that they have "debunked."
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Debunkers also join any investigation but lead it to the "Twilight Zone." Every legitimate story is dumped on the door of "Zionists" or space aliens by this type of debunker. They take plausible attacks on government lies and poison them with insane speculation in order to discredit anyone asking for a legitimate investigation.
Today, as usual, America is divided and moving toward a period of domestic discord and even home grow terrorism. Our military forces have become a prime recruiting ground for the corporate cabal. Every group that is easily influenced and easily misinformed, military, police, gun owners or those in isolated rural areas, are subject to wild stories of race war, imaginary Communist takeovers or worldwide Jewish conspriacies.
Whatever is blown up, a nuclear plant, a famous bridge or monument, the result will be the same:
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More oppressive laws
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More defense spending
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More taxes or more debt
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More dead American soldiers
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More high prices for gas
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More and more pundits on TV crying about socialism
It doesn’t take a genius to understand any of this. We love watching movies and TV shows about government conspiracies idential to the one we really seem to have. Where is the line? How much has to be lies before we have become the thing we fear most of all, a police state?
Would we even know?
Senior Editor, Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran
and regular contributor on political and social issues.






























You’re always alluding to the “right wing” as if the “left wing” isn’t also involved. I suspect that George Soros, the godfather of the left and Rupert Murdoch, the godfather of the right, often have lunch together to celebrate. You also tiptoe cautiously around the Jewish part of the
conspiracy.(Sort of like Alex Jones who recently said Saudia Arabia owns Hollywood). The Jews have so many surrogates and Judas Goats they are bound to win, unless they over-reach and self-destruct. Two wealthy patriots –Henry Ford and Benjamin Freedman–spent a fortune trying to waken America and its puppet leaders to the indentity of the real enemy to no avail. Americans (and most Europeans) have become invertebrates, so corrupted and dumbed down they no longer resemble their warrior forbears.
Herman,
Maybe you have to write about this. When you assume there are "wings" you assume the people involved actually have political beliefs.
I see no signs of that.
That would require education and intelligence.
I love it when we get two packs of thieves attempting to sell their crimes as subject to political theory. Polticians know less about theory than hamsters know about theoretical physics.
g
Divided WE Survive! Encourage all Gangs to Fight in the streets of America. Kill Police, Kill Politicians. Smaller Government is the answer, No matter if it is made smaller thru executions or other means. To many laws encourage outrage. WHEN YOU GO FOR A WALK DO NOT FORGET YOUR PAPERS. NO ONE CAN GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT PROOF OF WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY COME FROM. THE INVASION OF AMERICA IS COMPLETE NOW IS TIME TO TAKE OVER. LATINOS RALLY GATHER FRIENDS, FAMILY, “AND ACT TOGATHER”. IT IS TIME TO TAKE WHAT IS OURS, WE WERE HERE FIRST, THE NATIVE AMERICANS ARE OUR BROTHERS. THEY HELP US DAILY.
Juan Gonzales Zapada Warroier you are a Jack-ass. Your rally cry isn’t being heard because the people you are trying to rally can’t read English and are not even true Americans. This land is mine and yours, invoking violence and hate is the dumbest thing you could try to do. You, Juan, are an idiot.
Excuse me? My family’s been here for ever too. 375 years as a matter of fact. I’m a Native American, I was born here.
You sir, are nothing more than a bigoted, radical, moron.
JUAN, You need to go see Lucy, Then get the P….Y, Then she will take your peso,s away.
Juan,
Some of us are police and politicians and nice ones at that. Your points are well taken but the suggestions of violence are a terms of service issue.
g
Everyone may notice that all of these activies happen prior to Bush being elected as President..So where does that leave us? With Good Old Slick Wille whom I have mention many a time in response to Bush Bashing here by this jar head.
It also makes it more important to know what Berger stole out of the classify library for Clinton, again I bet it pointed the finger straight at clinton and his admin concerning 9/11 and other points of interest.
Also one may note the lack of ” ” around the statements this jar head posted. So it very well might not be the truth, he knows it and doesn’t want his butt sue off or get some prison time (prison time would be fine with me, for he deserves it with all his lies).
Oh am I calling you a liar? Well kinda sort of. You have either modify those so call statements to fit your needs ( why no “”) or you just flat know its not the truth and ani’t about to put your butt out there because of it. Now here I am sticking up for whom ever Lib,Dem, or Rep statements you posted here, why? Because you know it ani’t so, not the way you say it anyhow, plus you left out so much to counter what you say. Thats why you only post what you think is right and change it to fit your needs. So now Obama, YOUR MAN not mind, I didn’t vote for him, you are accusing him of 9/11 cover-up? Hmmmmmm..interesting and you are an American right? or a wannbe American.
When was the patriot act invoked ? when did 9/11 happen? If you say it was during Clinton then you have a calendar problem or more likely a mental problem, you are locked into a right wing thought process quit watching Faux noise for a week and it might clear up
Dear Warrant: It is not necessary for you to launch an attack on this Veteran. You are too vulnerable for your own past statements to read extraneous meaning into the statement of Mr. Rick. The article was not meant to pit Veteran against Veteran. Let Mr. Rick have his peace. You have yours. Move out and move on. The article was meant to inform
in what I believe to be a non-partisan way. Let it be.
Dennis,
You might want to do some research on who is running the drug cartels that Ashcroft protected. Who appointed Ashcroft as attorney general?
How much Columbian money went into daddy’s company? Check on it.
g
Canada and the US are basically in the same boat but I do not believe that we are descending into a police state, we have been here for some time now. The only difference is that our old politicians were better at packaging it to look like it was the right thing to do. The McCarthy years in the US and Gun control in Canada come to mind.
In the US citizens are not allowed to visit countries banned by the government, Cuban cigars are considered contraband wile in Canada the government is trying to disarm or register everybody except the Police and Army. Camera are on every street corner, you can’t even travel within our own countries without government issued photo Identification and Police no longer need probable cause to enter your home using national security as a pretext.
Guantanamo continues unchecked and the Canadian Government fights it own citizens in a court of law.
Are we falling into a police state…. No we are already there.
Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)
Here, here, Mr. Young. I, too believe we are already living in a police state. Big Brother has been here for a whilenow.
FOR ALL: It wold be helpful if you kept your replies germane to the article and its contents. Otherwise, you wind up with Veteran against Veteran in the replies, which accomplishes nothing.
By the way, for DENNIS RICK: In journalism and in English, itself, moving to italics and bold print suffices for the absence of quotation marks. And it is clear from the previous context that the following information was a direct quote from the American Conservative. No big dieal. Just thought I’d mention it. The information was quite thought-provoking. It was not mean to divide Veterans.
Max
We seem to have a couple of irreparable divisions:
1. retirees tend to be very conservative and work to oppose benefits for vets…seeing competition for limited government handouts
2. vets from mainstream VSOs tend to always vote republican…no matter how bad the candidate or how much they vote against veterans issues…..giving us no leverage politically, thus we are marginalized.
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Duff, no division has to be permanent. It has to be analyzed for common ground on which to build a bridge. Retirees include a ton of veterans, some disabled and frightened of losing both Veteran benefits AND Medicare, SS, etc. But they know that younger vets are their children and grandchildren. Conversely, younger vets know who their parents and grandparents are but in turn would be scared to death if the Government decided that $500,000,000 could be saved because of waste and inefficiency in the VA system. So the common ground is that we are FAMILY. What divides us is the power of politcians and the Media to scare either side of the Family at will. We wind up voting for the Party that we think will protect us and so we vote for the lesser of two evils. Some think Democrats; some think Republicans, and one part of the Family will always believe Evil won. And they’re right. But that doesn’t mean we have to continue attacks on the other half of the FAMILY. The uniting effort will come about when the Family works together to scare hell out of the politicians. I believe we are seeing some of that unity now and the unrest being felt in Washington, DC is because the Unity is incapable of being controlled by the politicians. It is a force of its own. It is a Famly Force.
I have to go over this article more than once and digest it, but as I scan it, if much of this info was so accessible, why doesn’t or haven’t the New York Times jumped on this along with several other papers. The New York Times especially, would just be overjoyed to bash Bush,….this would give their dwindling paper a big boost.
try a google search
you need to answer the question yourself
the answer would be in the articles title
perhaps you are proving my point
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Your’e a vet and DIDn’t know? Theyve been selling us out for years. By the time I found out its too late. Middle east vet, too late You should commit suiside. You took the pledge and then have found out You have no rights at all. Rights? yeah right. Fucked future you bet!!!!
I find your assessment somewhat radical to the extent the military must have really p#$^%$ you off. What insight caused you to feel this way, was it that you feel the military is that corrupt. My sister has two stars and in a very delicate position in the military with access to alot of info. There are alot of good people in the military and not all quite as bitter as you are. If you were that knowledgeable about the military, you should have neglected to hold your hand up and drop out then, if you were that sharp. Thats if you were in the military.
Interesting article, Mr. Duff. I’m going to have to think on all that you wrote for a while. Being military myself, I’ve seen coverups and such swept under the rug or bogged down in bureaucracy so deep that nobody could live long enough to get to the bottom of it all. My question to you is what do we do about it now? How do we fix/change what’s wrong? I’ve written my congressmen and senators and I am a diligent, informed voter. What do you think of term limits on our elected representatives in Congress?
Term limits for certain, to take apart the committee system.
Fixing what is wrong? A constitutional convention…..except it may be too late for that. We could even get it worse.
We would be rewritten into slavery.
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A police state harms veterans across the USA
Why Complain in the USA 10-5-09
Peter Macdonald 465 Packers falls Rd Lee NH 03824 603-659-6217
People complain because something is wrong. Relentless people will continue to make others aware of the wrongs committed by those willing to serve the citizens of the USA (that are called Government Officials) to make this country better for others in the future. Should the government investigate a 100% disabled Veteran’s complaint that medical care was stopped by the NH VA to stop a veteran from writing opinion letters? Should the government investigate that the NH state government used the Patriot Act to lock a 100% disabled veteran in jail to stop free speech? Should the government investigate that NH governor Lynch charged a 100% disabled veteran money to complain in person to him? Should the government investigate if Judge Peter Fauver used the Sheriff to harass a 100% disabled veteran to cover up this NH judge’s criminal acts? Should the government investigate that the NH Supreme Court covered up crimes by judge Fauver and the Madbury Selectmen to harm a 100% disabled Veteran? The facts in this case are documented in court files. Should the Secret Service fly in from DC to harass a 100% disabled Veteran because this veteran asked the President of the USA for help? Should the people of the USA be questioning the newspapers for not telling their readers the unbiased truth? The destruction of a free nation as is happening in the USA today occurs when the individual is no longer considered as a part of the whole. Our failure of hearing the voices of the public is a complaint the people must hear.
NH U.S. Rep Shea-Porter violated the trust of the American People when she harmed a 100% disabled Veteran to stop this veteran’s free speech. The newspapers write glowing stories about these politicians but they fail to tell the peoples side of the subject. The Biased newspapers just do not understand that the truth does not harm people with good reputations. The truth tells the real character of the individual. We should all be concerned that a complaint of a 100% disabled veteran is censored from the opinion page of the papers. The papers will tell you that my letters are repetitive. If my letters can repeat crimes by government officials, Judges and the NH Supreme Court so many times how can no one hear them? If these words were not the total truth and not so well documented these powerful individuals would have my head. These same people use the courts and newspapers to harm my character in the public eye, which is a constitutional crime.
I have not been violent or violated the law. I have TBI and PTSD from my military days. The newspapers and government are pushing me to be violent as a safe guard to protect their criminal acts from being made public. I have told you many times of my two worlds (here and there). Last week I lived in sheer H-ell suffering in pain and mental delusions from my Marine Corps disabilities and lack of any medical care. I wanted to die but I was too sick to even try. It is kind of like the Veterans in Texas asking for help that these U.S. Military veterans will die before even being considered by our government. Government officials adjust the records and manipulate law to win. The newspapers only print that which the government tells them is the truth. People complain but no one will listen because the government will come down on them that do NEXT!
Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC Semper Fi
Mr Duff,
I agree with you on term limits. But you know the present administration is not going to limit terms for elected representatives. I think the public will have to impose those limits at the polls, by refusing to elect anyone who has served in Congress for more than 2 terms. The question is how do you get the voters to do this? I think you’re right it being too late for a constitutional convention. We would get rewritten into slavery. It makes me feel powerless.
Well, the plot thickens.