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		<title>By: W. T . Mann</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-33901</link>
		<dc:creator>W. T . Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only more Americans could actually think like this guy.</description>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2008/12/soldiers-revolt.html

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2009/10/vietnam-veterans-moving-wall-comes-to.html

http://www.theflucase.com/</description>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article was not about the favorite subject of some of you. It is about 9-11.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/index.asp

http://www.rense.com/

http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2009/07/serving-armies-of-standing-bankers.html

The Serving Armies of The Standing Bankers.


One would be a fool to think that because they could see the delusions and denial of those around them that they were free of some degree of the same. You can’t occupy a human body with its sensory apparatus and be free of it. Even if you were free of delusions about the nature and operations of the manifest world you would not be free of delusions about yourself. Even an awareness of the world is a delusion because it indicates a state of dreaming that doesn’t exist, except as a projection upon a blank screen. The screen is real, the projection is not.


However, even if the pool a man is drowning in is not real, this does not mean you should not try to pull him out of it. His suffering is real to him, even if he is in denial about it.


I know that agents of the American and Israeli government were the authors of 9/11. I know this. Many others know this. Then there are those who buy the official line which is impossible. The very fact that no jets were scrambled during the event points to government complicity. The free fall of three buildings into their own footprints and the evidence of nano-thermite prove controlled demolition. Consider these things in a court of law.


Why then do seemingly intelligent people resist the obvious truth? Let’s give an example of a personality type. Let’s take a man who went to war in Vietnam or Iraq under the illusion that he was fulfilling some patriotic duty to a democratic country. We’ve since learned that the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, like nearly all wars, were the brain child of bankers who initiated them for profit. Let’s consider that the so-called democratic country is not, in fact, a democratic country but a serf nation in fealty to a collection of bankers called The Federal Reserve. All of the representatives of this serf nation are employed by the bank and serve at the pleasure of the bank. John Steinbeck illustrated the nature of the bank in his wonderful novel, “The Grapes of Wrath”. Today you see the reality of ‘the bank’ at work in wars for profit, in foreclosures and corporate thefts as well as the tightening of counterfeit, fiat currency flow into the economy.


This man who went to Vietnam has bought into his own sense of sacrifice and whatever idea of manhood he thought he got out of it. He even wallows in the injustice of his state, given how the war ended and the public’s view of it. It defines him to himself. He’s listening to Bruce sing, “Glory Days” on the bar stool of his dotage. He went from soldier to college graduate and into a field that relied on the serf nation for his employment. He bought into the system and served the system, continuing to believe that there are good wars and that his nation is a democratic one. He seeks justice in the system believing that the public interest is served. In reality, the poor usually go to jail and the rich stay out or spend their time in a country club. If he looks clearly at it he cannot justify his position with his conscience so he becomes philosophical and interprets everything that happens within a fantasy construct the same way he did with Vietnam.


Deep inside this man strives to believe that he is a hero. He rocks along with John Fogerty and never hears a word. All across this democratic land, there are men and women like him. They are lawyers and businessmen; politicos, doctors, engineers, teachers and whathaveyou and they all work for the system. The system allows only so much in the way of personal or reactive thought and action. When you’re heavily involved in it and in debt to it, it owns you… no matter what you tell yourself. It owns you. You can’t act outside of it and you can’t speak against it or yonder looms the highway and the sleeping bag under the overpass. This living state of compromise and hypocrisy in the service of a confined, personal survival is untenable to a real person. A real person doesn’t ask themselves the cost of truth. They pay the toll.


No one wants to have to accept that they went to war or that their children died in wars that existed only for the profit of bankers or the pressures of a foreign nation who control the banks that start the wars. No one wants to be put into the position where they jeopardize their position by speaking out against lies and hypocrisies, so they pretend they don’t exist while the very thing stares them in the face. This is how you die inside. This is how you lose your youthfulness and all of the finer qualities that made you who you think you are but no longer are because these finer qualities will not stay in the heart of a man who is false to himself.


How is it that a man can think himself brave by going to war for bankers and not find himself capable of going to war for the very essence of what these false wars were presented as being about? All the phony medals and awards of this phony world are useless except in the company of other men and women who lie to themselves. They think they are honest yet they embrace dishonesty at every turn. They think they are brave yet they kneel in a moment before the oppressors of humanity. They think they are useful but they are all bad examples and willing servants of the engines of enslavement. They watch movies about people in dire peril who win the day because that’s how movies go. They think they are one of those people but they are given the same choices as the people in the movie and they turn away. They turn away.


No man can see the world as it is who does not look closely at himself. No one can know the meaning of anything if they do not know the meaning of themselves.


It is something to see; people who imagine they are standing forth and speaking the truth while hearing the roar of the crowd. One does not hear the roar of the crowd when one speaks the truth. One hears the rustling of chairs and the sound of people leaving the hall. Why is this? The people who are leaving are not leaving because of the speaker. They are leaving because what is inside them cannot accept the responsibility that comes with hearing the truth and failing to act.


Such an immensity of lies surround us that it threatens to block out the sun. It has certainly blocked out the light of introspection and objectivity within so many of us. Enshrined lies now have their own laws to protect them. The only time a purported truth needs protection is when it is concealing the lies contained within it. If something is true then further inquiry only proves it so.


The men from Vietnam and Iraq believe they have sacrificed so much for their country but they fought and died and… in some part survived …conflicts generated by bankers. They are fools to believe otherwise but they do. Having embraced this lie it is not so hard to embrace each succeeding lie. They want to be a part of all they imagined to be true. They go on to fill the positions freely given to those who can accept and perpetuate the lies. They corrupt their own children with these lies after first having corrupted themselves. They corrupt their friends and their neighborhoods. Their churches speak of the deep things in unknown places which honor those who gave their service to God and Country. It was always the bank. It was always about the money; money for the men who did not go to war, money for the men who created the wars for money.


The greatest of honors are reserved for those who have the courage to see the lies and to admit that they were in service to lies and who then denounced the lies and their own complicity in them. These are the few and the brave who are no longer proud. How often have we seen any man accomplish this before the world and then go on to live the truth he has discovered at the cost of all he once believed to be true?


It has been truly asked what it profits a man to gain everything and lose himself. There are real heroes among us but their ranks are not composed of the men and women who have served the interests of those who sacrificed them for a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was not about the favorite subject of some of you. It is about 9-11.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/index.asp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.rense.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2009/07/serving-armies-of-standing-bankers.html" rel="nofollow">http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2009/07/serving-armies-of-standing-bankers.html</a></p>
<p>The Serving Armies of The Standing Bankers.</p>
<p>One would be a fool to think that because they could see the delusions and denial of those around them that they were free of some degree of the same. You can’t occupy a human body with its sensory apparatus and be free of it. Even if you were free of delusions about the nature and operations of the manifest world you would not be free of delusions about yourself. Even an awareness of the world is a delusion because it indicates a state of dreaming that doesn’t exist, except as a projection upon a blank screen. The screen is real, the projection is not.</p>
<p>However, even if the pool a man is drowning in is not real, this does not mean you should not try to pull him out of it. His suffering is real to him, even if he is in denial about it.</p>
<p>I know that agents of the American and Israeli government were the authors of 9/11. I know this. Many others know this. Then there are those who buy the official line which is impossible. The very fact that no jets were scrambled during the event points to government complicity. The free fall of three buildings into their own footprints and the evidence of nano-thermite prove controlled demolition. Consider these things in a court of law.</p>
<p>Why then do seemingly intelligent people resist the obvious truth? Let’s give an example of a personality type. Let’s take a man who went to war in Vietnam or Iraq under the illusion that he was fulfilling some patriotic duty to a democratic country. We’ve since learned that the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, like nearly all wars, were the brain child of bankers who initiated them for profit. Let’s consider that the so-called democratic country is not, in fact, a democratic country but a serf nation in fealty to a collection of bankers called The Federal Reserve. All of the representatives of this serf nation are employed by the bank and serve at the pleasure of the bank. John Steinbeck illustrated the nature of the bank in his wonderful novel, “The Grapes of Wrath”. Today you see the reality of ‘the bank’ at work in wars for profit, in foreclosures and corporate thefts as well as the tightening of counterfeit, fiat currency flow into the economy.</p>
<p>This man who went to Vietnam has bought into his own sense of sacrifice and whatever idea of manhood he thought he got out of it. He even wallows in the injustice of his state, given how the war ended and the public’s view of it. It defines him to himself. He’s listening to Bruce sing, “Glory Days” on the bar stool of his dotage. He went from soldier to college graduate and into a field that relied on the serf nation for his employment. He bought into the system and served the system, continuing to believe that there are good wars and that his nation is a democratic one. He seeks justice in the system believing that the public interest is served. In reality, the poor usually go to jail and the rich stay out or spend their time in a country club. If he looks clearly at it he cannot justify his position with his conscience so he becomes philosophical and interprets everything that happens within a fantasy construct the same way he did with Vietnam.</p>
<p>Deep inside this man strives to believe that he is a hero. He rocks along with John Fogerty and never hears a word. All across this democratic land, there are men and women like him. They are lawyers and businessmen; politicos, doctors, engineers, teachers and whathaveyou and they all work for the system. The system allows only so much in the way of personal or reactive thought and action. When you’re heavily involved in it and in debt to it, it owns you… no matter what you tell yourself. It owns you. You can’t act outside of it and you can’t speak against it or yonder looms the highway and the sleeping bag under the overpass. This living state of compromise and hypocrisy in the service of a confined, personal survival is untenable to a real person. A real person doesn’t ask themselves the cost of truth. They pay the toll.</p>
<p>No one wants to have to accept that they went to war or that their children died in wars that existed only for the profit of bankers or the pressures of a foreign nation who control the banks that start the wars. No one wants to be put into the position where they jeopardize their position by speaking out against lies and hypocrisies, so they pretend they don’t exist while the very thing stares them in the face. This is how you die inside. This is how you lose your youthfulness and all of the finer qualities that made you who you think you are but no longer are because these finer qualities will not stay in the heart of a man who is false to himself.</p>
<p>How is it that a man can think himself brave by going to war for bankers and not find himself capable of going to war for the very essence of what these false wars were presented as being about? All the phony medals and awards of this phony world are useless except in the company of other men and women who lie to themselves. They think they are honest yet they embrace dishonesty at every turn. They think they are brave yet they kneel in a moment before the oppressors of humanity. They think they are useful but they are all bad examples and willing servants of the engines of enslavement. They watch movies about people in dire peril who win the day because that’s how movies go. They think they are one of those people but they are given the same choices as the people in the movie and they turn away. They turn away.</p>
<p>No man can see the world as it is who does not look closely at himself. No one can know the meaning of anything if they do not know the meaning of themselves.</p>
<p>It is something to see; people who imagine they are standing forth and speaking the truth while hearing the roar of the crowd. One does not hear the roar of the crowd when one speaks the truth. One hears the rustling of chairs and the sound of people leaving the hall. Why is this? The people who are leaving are not leaving because of the speaker. They are leaving because what is inside them cannot accept the responsibility that comes with hearing the truth and failing to act.</p>
<p>Such an immensity of lies surround us that it threatens to block out the sun. It has certainly blocked out the light of introspection and objectivity within so many of us. Enshrined lies now have their own laws to protect them. The only time a purported truth needs protection is when it is concealing the lies contained within it. If something is true then further inquiry only proves it so.</p>
<p>The men from Vietnam and Iraq believe they have sacrificed so much for their country but they fought and died and… in some part survived …conflicts generated by bankers. They are fools to believe otherwise but they do. Having embraced this lie it is not so hard to embrace each succeeding lie. They want to be a part of all they imagined to be true. They go on to fill the positions freely given to those who can accept and perpetuate the lies. They corrupt their own children with these lies after first having corrupted themselves. They corrupt their friends and their neighborhoods. Their churches speak of the deep things in unknown places which honor those who gave their service to God and Country. It was always the bank. It was always about the money; money for the men who did not go to war, money for the men who created the wars for money.</p>
<p>The greatest of honors are reserved for those who have the courage to see the lies and to admit that they were in service to lies and who then denounced the lies and their own complicity in them. These are the few and the brave who are no longer proud. How often have we seen any man accomplish this before the world and then go on to live the truth he has discovered at the cost of all he once believed to be true?</p>
<p>It has been truly asked what it profits a man to gain everything and lose himself. There are real heroes among us but their ranks are not composed of the men and women who have served the interests of those who sacrificed them for a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-28066</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doing a little of your own homework would turn you into a thinker instead of a follower. There has been plenty of evidence proving that 9/11 was nowhere NEAR the way the government&#039;s official version describes it and evem members of the 9/11 commission themselves say they were lied to every step of the way and had the proper information withheld from them that would have allowed them to have accurate findings. It&#039;s YOU that should put up or shut up, in a way that would cause you to actually put an ounce of effort into doing your own research with a few simple google searches. but since you can&#039;t get started on your own and need someone to hold your hand, google &quot;WTC7&quot; for starters and watch a video of that building coming down by controlled demolition around 5:20 on the afternoon of 9/11. Then search for the video showing the plane crashing into the pentagon. Then search for the photos of the damage to the pentagon taken before the actual roof collapsed showing not only no damage where the wings and tail section would have impacted the building, and not the fact that the initial penetration hole is much too small for it to have been the plane they claim, but the grass is not so much as scraped up where the engines would have tore into the ground if the nosecone center of the plane was where the initial penetration says it should have been. 

People like you are exactly why the 9/11 truth may never come out. You probably also believe the Warren Commission&#039;s findings too.. YOU people are the conspiracy theorists, not those who are awake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing a little of your own homework would turn you into a thinker instead of a follower. There has been plenty of evidence proving that 9/11 was nowhere NEAR the way the government&#8217;s official version describes it and evem members of the 9/11 commission themselves say they were lied to every step of the way and had the proper information withheld from them that would have allowed them to have accurate findings. It&#8217;s YOU that should put up or shut up, in a way that would cause you to actually put an ounce of effort into doing your own research with a few simple google searches. but since you can&#8217;t get started on your own and need someone to hold your hand, google &#8220;WTC7&#8243; for starters and watch a video of that building coming down by controlled demolition around 5:20 on the afternoon of 9/11. Then search for the video showing the plane crashing into the pentagon. Then search for the photos of the damage to the pentagon taken before the actual roof collapsed showing not only no damage where the wings and tail section would have impacted the building, and not the fact that the initial penetration hole is much too small for it to have been the plane they claim, but the grass is not so much as scraped up where the engines would have tore into the ground if the nosecone center of the plane was where the initial penetration says it should have been. </p>
<p>People like you are exactly why the 9/11 truth may never come out. You probably also believe the Warren Commission&#8217;s findings too.. YOU people are the conspiracy theorists, not those who are awake.</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-28025</link>
		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Certain people work very hard to keep Zionism safe by hiding behind anti-semitism.&#160; Zionists are only one of a group of many total jerks on the planet...but they are wonderfully effective at screwing things up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;g&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certain people work very hard to keep Zionism safe by hiding behind anti-semitism.&nbsp; Zionists are only one of a group of many total jerks on the planet&#8230;but they are wonderfully effective at screwing things up.</p>
<p>g</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-28024</link>
		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;More needed to take that path.&#160; More need to do the same today.&#160; Puppets make piss poor citizens in a democracy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;g&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim</p>
<p>More needed to take that path.&nbsp; More need to do the same today.&nbsp; Puppets make piss poor citizens in a democracy.</p>
<p>g</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-28023</link>
		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nick,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The US Army declassified its non-lethal weapons docs in 2006.&#160; If they can boil your brain inside your skull at a mile, HAAARP isn&#039;t impossible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;g&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>The US Army declassified its non-lethal weapons docs in 2006.&nbsp; If they can boil your brain inside your skull at a mile, HAAARP isn&#8217;t impossible.</p>
<p>g</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-28022</link>
		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thank for reading.&#160; Its not time for us to let go.&#160; &quot;They&quot; expect it of us.&#160; We don&#039;t let go of anything.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Welcome home squid.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;g&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thank for reading.&nbsp; Its not time for us to let go.&nbsp; &quot;They&quot; expect it of us.&nbsp; We don&#8217;t let go of anything.</p>
<p>Welcome home squid.</p>
<p>g</p>
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		<title>By: nick chance (Aus)</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-28020</link>
		<dc:creator>nick chance (Aus)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work mate. Perhaps you could get your pen to investigate the damage HAARP is doing here in the Pacific rim. The HAARP boys can now pinpoint an earthquake  and the films of sky/cloud formations immediately prior to the last two very recent earthquakes look very much like HAARP action. Course, that doesn&#039;t fit in with the Al-Gore-ithm rubbish and they wouldn&#039;t be able to produce bloody silly tax revenues on the back of ludicrous claims of global warming. 
Perhaps you could get the authorities to stop boiling the iionosphere. Damned fools!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work mate. Perhaps you could get your pen to investigate the damage HAARP is doing here in the Pacific rim. The HAARP boys can now pinpoint an earthquake  and the films of sky/cloud formations immediately prior to the last two very recent earthquakes look very much like HAARP action. Course, that doesn&#8217;t fit in with the Al-Gore-ithm rubbish and they wouldn&#8217;t be able to produce bloody silly tax revenues on the back of ludicrous claims of global warming.<br />
Perhaps you could get the authorities to stop boiling the iionosphere. Damned fools!</p>
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		<title>By: nonewithout2d</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-27966</link>
		<dc:creator>nonewithout2d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have irrefutable eveidence regarding your claims? If so, release it so we can begin the treason trials and line up the firing squads. If not, you will be viewed as a &quot;conspiracy nut&quot;. 
Put up or shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have irrefutable eveidence regarding your claims? If so, release it so we can begin the treason trials and line up the firing squads. If not, you will be viewed as a &#8220;conspiracy nut&#8221;.<br />
Put up or shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoreau</title>
		<link>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/10/08/9-11-and-a-generation-deceived/comment-page-1/#comment-27956</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to hear yet another distinguished military veteran speak out on these issues. Unfortunately, the mass of men lead lives of quiet denial, as well as desperation. Indeed, the light of truth is too bright for most to look into.

I know you&#039;re taking a lot of heat for your views; but keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to hear yet another distinguished military veteran speak out on these issues. Unfortunately, the mass of men lead lives of quiet denial, as well as desperation. Indeed, the light of truth is too bright for most to look into.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re taking a lot of heat for your views; but keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
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		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the smackdown we got in NY, we are only getting started on the 9/11 issue.
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I know from experience what it is like to be bamboozled by the US.
In 1964 I volunteered to serve as a USNR officer in the Dental Corps. Gung-ho stationed with the Marines at Camp Pendelton, then overseas in the P.I. By 1967 I was ready to volunteer to go regular Navy and serve in the Fleet Marines. Totally brainwashed to die for Uncle Sam. Then, thank God, sanity took over. Got out and returned to civilian life. Then I began to read history. By 1969 I had done a 180. No longer brainwashed I became anti war and realized that Uncle Sam lies. Lies about most everything. 
Get the news out to the youngsters. Tell them the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I know from experience what it is like to be bamboozled by the US.<br />
In 1964 I volunteered to serve as a USNR officer in the Dental Corps. Gung-ho stationed with the Marines at Camp Pendelton, then overseas in the P.I. By 1967 I was ready to volunteer to go regular Navy and serve in the Fleet Marines. Totally brainwashed to die for Uncle Sam. Then, thank God, sanity took over. Got out and returned to civilian life. Then I began to read history. By 1969 I had done a 180. No longer brainwashed I became anti war and realized that Uncle Sam lies. Lies about most everything.<br />
Get the news out to the youngsters. Tell them the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
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		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whacking Zionists who buy off American officials is not the same as saying the holocaust didn&#039;t happen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;g&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whacking Zionists who buy off American officials is not the same as saying the holocaust didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: duffster</title>
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		<dc:creator>duffster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rod,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We remember Senator McCain and what he has done.&#160; Neither the USS Liberty nor Senator &quot;Hanoi&quot;&#160;John McCain will be forgotten.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>We remember Senator McCain and what he has done.&nbsp; Neither the USS Liberty nor Senator &quot;Hanoi&quot;&nbsp;John McCain will be forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duff,

Thank you for mentioning USS Liberty and the conspiracy to continue the cover up.  Readers have to know that one of the commissions to cover up the truth was headed by John S. McCain II.  The cover up was continued by his son John S. McCain III.  Do a little open minded homework readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duff,</p>
<p>Thank you for mentioning USS Liberty and the conspiracy to continue the cover up.  Readers have to know that one of the commissions to cover up the truth was headed by John S. McCain II.  The cover up was continued by his son John S. McCain III.  Do a little open minded homework readers.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very Interesting Arithmetic

Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/ Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).


The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: &quot;Passionate, tormenting&quot;. Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering &quot;You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten (sic) speak.&quot;

Lengyel says 

‘After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.’ (Paperback edition, pp80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]

This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months).

Could this claim be a misprint?

Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures: 

‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’ (p 118; Return to Auschwitz - paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).

According to the cover blurb, ‘The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.’ ‘Both engaging and harrowing…an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive’ – Martin Gilbert, The Times.

Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah: 

In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states 

‘The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.’ (p.26).

If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say a million a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Interesting Arithmetic</p>
<p>Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/ Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).</p>
<p>The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: &#8220;Passionate, tormenting&#8221;. Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering &#8220;You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten (sic) speak.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lengyel says </p>
<p>‘After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.’ (Paperback edition, pp80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]</p>
<p>This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months).</p>
<p>Could this claim be a misprint?</p>
<p>Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures: </p>
<p>‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’ (p 118; Return to Auschwitz &#8211; paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).</p>
<p>According to the cover blurb, ‘The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.’ ‘Both engaging and harrowing…an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive’ – Martin Gilbert, The Times.</p>
<p>Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah: </p>
<p>In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states </p>
<p>‘The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.’ (p.26).</p>
<p>If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say a million a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica
 
Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesman for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in the year 2000, ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of &quot;living Holocaust survivors&quot; at nearly a million’ (p.83)]. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize... 
Time Magazine, March 18 1985:

‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? &quot;I will never know&quot; he says. &quot;I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?&quot;

Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:

&quot;In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica</p>
<p>Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesman for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in the year 2000, ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million’ (p.83)]. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize&#8230;<br />
Time Magazine, March 18 1985:</p>
<p>‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? &#8220;I will never know&#8221; he says. &#8220;I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?&#8221;</p>
<p>Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:</p>
<p>&#8220;In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shea Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shea Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom,
  It is not very often I pick up my little pocket sized New Testament,, but I did this morning to review the conversation between Jesus and Pilate.
     My copy says this,,
           John, chapter 18, verse 38;
       
             Pilate said to Him,&quot;What is truth?&quot; And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them,&quot;I find no fault in Him at all.&quot;

    This was Pilate&#039;s response to Jesus telling him that he had come into the world
   &quot;to bear witness to the truth.&quot; (verse 37.)

    I only mention this, as might a kind and friendly editor. I appreciate very much your intelligent posts on these pages.
  I look forward to reading Gordon&#039;s articles every day,, I like his energy and anger,,
and in hearing that,, I also hear his hope.
            We are indeed in a crazy world,, where we have given over our military missions to private contractors who can only profit quite handsomely from the continuation of conflict. Makes about as much sense as asking your heart surgeon to chug a pint of vodka just before he operates.
         Oh well,,,time to turn on some of the Sunday news shows,, to wait for the questions that never seem to be asked.
   I will google your name this morning to see if you have your own site,, or to find some more of your writing,, you do write so well. If you have have a site, perhaps you might pass that on to me, I would appreciate it.
                    Shea Brown   believepeaceispossible@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tom,<br />
  It is not very often I pick up my little pocket sized New Testament,, but I did this morning to review the conversation between Jesus and Pilate.<br />
     My copy says this,,<br />
           John, chapter 18, verse 38;</p>
<p>             Pilate said to Him,&#8221;What is truth?&#8221; And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them,&#8221;I find no fault in Him at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>    This was Pilate&#8217;s response to Jesus telling him that he had come into the world<br />
   &#8220;to bear witness to the truth.&#8221; (verse 37.)</p>
<p>    I only mention this, as might a kind and friendly editor. I appreciate very much your intelligent posts on these pages.<br />
  I look forward to reading Gordon&#8217;s articles every day,, I like his energy and anger,,<br />
and in hearing that,, I also hear his hope.<br />
            We are indeed in a crazy world,, where we have given over our military missions to private contractors who can only profit quite handsomely from the continuation of conflict. Makes about as much sense as asking your heart surgeon to chug a pint of vodka just before he operates.<br />
         Oh well,,,time to turn on some of the Sunday news shows,, to wait for the questions that never seem to be asked.<br />
   I will google your name this morning to see if you have your own site,, or to find some more of your writing,, you do write so well. If you have have a site, perhaps you might pass that on to me, I would appreciate it.<br />
                    Shea Brown   <a href="mailto:believepeaceispossible@yahoo.com">believepeaceispossible@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...excellent article...take it one step further...read the truth about the founding of this country and how the founding fathers conspired to create a phony Constitution...all the while we are subjects of the british crown...this is why we have Obama...a british intelligence agent just like his dad...the Revolutionary War was created to put this young country into debt...we borrowed money from france and france even backed us up but King George at the time was King of both England and France...he financed both sides...our so called Constitution was ratified by the states which are corporations...the UNITED STATES is a corporation...we the people never voted for this Constitution...a few years later our illustrious Congress passed a bill making the people liable for the debt to the King of England...to this day portions of property taxes and social security taxes and income taxes continue to support the coffers of the English Throne...the lies began when this country began and the history books written by Zionists keeps the truth hidden from us all and play their games while laughing at us all...i for one am totally disgusted with this pack of elite liars and am not going to take it anymore...keep the flow of truth coming dufster...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;excellent article&#8230;take it one step further&#8230;read the truth about the founding of this country and how the founding fathers conspired to create a phony Constitution&#8230;all the while we are subjects of the british crown&#8230;this is why we have Obama&#8230;a british intelligence agent just like his dad&#8230;the Revolutionary War was created to put this young country into debt&#8230;we borrowed money from france and france even backed us up but King George at the time was King of both England and France&#8230;he financed both sides&#8230;our so called Constitution was ratified by the states which are corporations&#8230;the UNITED STATES is a corporation&#8230;we the people never voted for this Constitution&#8230;a few years later our illustrious Congress passed a bill making the people liable for the debt to the King of England&#8230;to this day portions of property taxes and social security taxes and income taxes continue to support the coffers of the English Throne&#8230;the lies began when this country began and the history books written by Zionists keeps the truth hidden from us all and play their games while laughing at us all&#8230;i for one am totally disgusted with this pack of elite liars and am not going to take it anymore&#8230;keep the flow of truth coming dufster&#8230;</p>
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