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CHALLENGING OUR THINKING ABOUT MILITARY SERVICE AND WAR
By Paul Rockwell
Submitted by Florida Vets for Peace
There are two kinds of courage in war – physical courage and moral courage. Physical courage is very common on the battlefield. Men and women on both sides risk their lives, place their own bodies in harm’s way. Moral courage, however, is quite rare. According to Chris Hedges, the brilliant New York Times war correspondent who survived wars in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and the Balkans, "I rarely saw moral courage. Moral courage is harder. It requires the bearer to walk away from the warm embrace of comradeship and denounce the myth of war as a fraud, to name it as an enterprise of death and immorality, to condemn himself, and those around him, as killers. It requires the bearer to become an outcast. There are times when taking a moral stance, perhaps the highest form of patriotism, means facing down the community, even the nation."
There are two kinds of courage in war – physical courage and moral courage. Physical courage is very common on the battlefield. Men and women on both sides risk their lives, place their own bodies in harm’s way. Moral courage, however, is quite rare. According to Chris Hedges, the brilliant New York Times war correspondent who survived wars in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and the Balkans, "I rarely saw moral courage. Moral courage is harder. It requires the bearer to walk away from the warm embrace of comradeship and denounce the myth of war as a fraud, to name it as an enterprise of death and immorality, to condemn himself, and those around him, as killers. It requires the bearer to become an outcast. There are times when taking a moral stance, perhaps the highest form of patriotism, means facing down the community, even the nation." The Winter Soldier investigation was followed by the publication of COLLATERAL DAMAGE: AMERICA’S WAR AGAINST IRAQI CIVILIANS, by Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian. Based on hundreds of hours of taped interviews with Iraqi combat veterans, this pioneering work on the catastrophe in Iraq includes the largest number of eyewitness accounts from U.S. military personnel on record.
The Courage to Resist
We cannot understand the psychological and moral significance of military resistance unless we recognize the social forces that stifle conscience and human individuality in military life. Gwen Dyer, historian of war, writes that ordinarily, “Men will kill under compulsion. Men will do almost anything if they know it is expected of them and they are under strong social pressure to comply.” “Only exceptional people resist atrocity,” writes psychiatrist Robert Lifton.
How much easier it is to surrender to the will of superiors, to merge into the anonymity of the group. It takes uncommon courage to resist military powers of intimidation, peer pressure, and the atmosphere of racism and hate that drives all imperial wars.
Silencing the Witnesses to War
War crimes are collective in nature. Especially in wars based on fraud, soldiers are expected to lie – to their country, to their community, even to themselves. The silencing process begins on the battlefield in the presence of officers, power-holders who seek to nullify the perceptions and personal experience of troops under their command.
In his war memoir, Aidan Delgado describes attempts of his commanders to suppress the truth about Abu Ghraib. First his captain says the Army has nothing to hide, Abu Ghraib is just a rumor. But then the captain continues: "We don’t need to air our dirty laundry in public. If you have photos that you’re not supposed to have, get rid of them. Don’t talk about this to anyone, don’t write about it to anyone back home." In the U.S. military, the truth is seditious.
Two years ago, Marine Sergeant Jimmy Massey published his riveting autobiography (written with Natasha Saulnier) in France and Spain. How the Marine Corps – through indoctrination and intimidation – transforms a homeboy from the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina into a professional killer who murders "innocent people for his government" is the subject of Massey’s unsettling, impassioned, Jar-head raunchy, and ultimately uplifting memoir, COWBOYS FROM HELL. (No U.S. publisher has picked up the book. A Marine who speaks truth to power is not without honor save in his own country.) In Chapter 18, Jimmy describes a seemingly minor encounter with his captain. Here Massey gives us a look into the process of human denial in its early phase.
Massey has just participated in a checkpoint massacre of civilians. His sense of decency, his sanity, is still in tact. Like any normal human being, he is distraught. The carnage of the war, the imbalance of power between the biggest war machine in history and a suffering people devoid of tanks and air power – the sheer injustice of it all – begins to take its toll on Massey’s conscience.
In the wake of the horrific events of the day, his captain is cool. He walks up to Massey and asks; "Are you doing all right, Staff Sergeant?" Massey responds: "No, sir. I am not doing O.K. Today was a bad day. We killed a lot of innocent civilians."
Fully of aware of the civilian carnage, his captain asserts: "No, today was a good day."
Relatives wailing, cars destroyed, blood all over the ground, Marines celebrating, civilians dead, and "it was good day"!
The Massey incident goes beyond the mendacity of military life. It concerns the control, the dehumanization of the psyches of our troops.
As one Vietnam veteran put it years ago: "They kept fucking with my mind."
In 1994 Jonathan Shay, staff psychiatrist in the Department of Veterans Affairs, published a pioneering work on post traumatic stress – Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character. According to Shay, who recorded volumes of testimony from Vietnam veterans, commanders routinely try to efface the perceptions and the normal feelings of compassion among American troops. Military necessity, including the ever-present need for political propaganda, determines what is perceived, and how it is perceived, in war.
It was an extremely common experience in Vietnam, Shay writes, to be told by military superiors dealing with crime and trauma: "You didn’t experience it, it never happened, and you don’t know what you know." And it was fairly common for traumatized soldiers to say to reporters: "It didn’t happen. And besides, they had it coming." Shay recorded the testimony of one veteran who, in great anger, describes the pressures to alter his perceptions of collective murder.
"Daylight came, and we found out we killed a lot of fishermen and kids…You said to the team, ‘Don’t worry about it. Everything’s fucking fine.’ Because that’s what we were getting from upstairs. The fucking colonel says, ‘Don’t worry about it. We’ll take care of it. We got body count.’ They’d be handing out fucking medals for killing civilians. So in your mind you’re saying, ‘Ah, fuck it, they’re just gooks.’ I was sick over it, after this happened. I actually puked my guts out…But see, it’s all explained to you by captains and colonels and majors. ‘Fuck it, they was suspects anyways. You guys did a great job. Erase it. It’s yesterday’s fucking news.’"
Willful Ignorance at Home
The collective process of denial on the battlefield eventually extends to the homeland. Returning soldiers, to be sure, are often honored, but only so long as they remain silent about the realities, the pathos, the absurd evils of war. Willful public ignorance is a source of pain for veterans.
Ernest Hemingway’s brilliant short story, Soldier’s Home, published in 1925 after World War I, gives us insight into the reluctance of civilians to address the psychic needs of soldiers back from war.
The simply told story is about a young man named Krebs who returns to his home in Oklahoma. At first Krebs does not want to talk about the war. But soon he feels the need to speak – to his family, his neighbors and friends. But as Hemingway tells us, "Nobody wanted to hear about it." His town did not want to learn about atrocities, and "Krebs found that to be listened to at all he had to lie."
There’s the rub. His ability to assimilate into civilian life depended on his willingness to fabricate stories about the war. Soldiers are not only expected to lie on behalf of the military during the course of war, they are also expected to participate in homecoming rituals that preserve the civilian fantasy of war’s nobility.
In Hemingway’s story, the pressure to lie is so powerful, Krebs begins to manufacture stories about his experiences in battle – just to get along, just be able to lead a normal life.
Repression, however, is a major cause of mental illness and loneliness. Krebs morale deteriorates. He sleeps late in bed. He loses interest in work. He withdraws into himself.
That’s all Hemingway tells us. It’s a quietly told story, all the more powerful for its understatement.
There is a connection between Hemingway’s war-informed fiction and real life. As Shay notes, there is a tension between a soldier’s need to communalize shame and grief and the unwillingness of civilians to listen to troops whom they sent into battle. One Vietnam veteran told the following story:
"I had just come back from Vietnam and my first wife’s parents gave a dinner for me and my parents and her brothers and their wives. And after dinner we were all sitting in the living room and her father said: ‘So, tell us what it was like.’ And I started to tell them, and I told them. And do you know that within five minutes the room was empty. They were all gone, except my wife. After that I didn’t tell anybody what I had seen in Vietnam."
Welcome home, soldier. Now shut up.
Notwithstanding clichés and pieties about support for troops, those who promote war are often the least likely to share the burdens and memories of war when soldiers return. When Ron Kovic, who was paralyzed from the chest down during the war in Vietnam, steered his wheelchair down the aisle of the Republican National Convention in 1972, the delegates spat on him and cheered for Nixon – "Four more years."
W.D. Erhart, Vietnam veteran and author of Passing Time, never forgot the horrific episodes of his tour in Vietnam. In his first autobiography, he tells a friend about his speech at a Rotary Club. "I even put on a coat and tie and went to the Rotary Club. The Rotary Club, for chrissake. I laid it all out for ‘em. I told ‘em about search and destroy missions, harassment and interdiction fire, winning hearts and minds, all that stuff…Was I ever sharp that day.
"Now listen. You won’t believe this. I got done and nobody said a word. No applause. Nothing. Then this skinny old fart shaped like a cold chisel gets up and says he’s a retired colonel, and he thinks we should keep on pounding those little yellow bastards until they do what we say or we kill ‘em all, and he tells me I can’t be a real veteran because a real veteran wouldn’t go around badmouthing the good old U.S. of A., and the whole place erupts in thunderous applause."
Welcome home, soldier. Now shut up.
Today Georgia Stillwell is a mother of a 21-year-old Iraqi war veteran. Her son is now homeless, unemployed, and despondent. Early one morning he drove his car over an embankment. She says that her son is a mere physical shell of himself. "My son’s spirit and soul must still be wandering the streets of Iraq." It is not simply what happened in Iraq, but how veterans are treated at home when they seek to unburden their souls, that reinforces post-traumatic stress. On the night he drove the car off the road, he was crying, talking about the war. "His friends tell me he talks about the war. They describe it as ‘crazy talk.’ He wants the blood of the Iraqis he killed off his hands."
"Each generation," writes Chris Hedges, "discovers its own disillusionment, often at a terrible price. And the war in Iraq has begun to produce legions of the lost and the damned." For our morally courageous veterans – for all of us, really, who seek forgiveness – only the truth can heal.
BlackCommentator.com Guest Commentator, Paul Rockwell, is a writer living in the Bay Area. He is also a columnist for In Motion Magazine. Click here to reach Mr. Rockwell.
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Remember John Kerry “Its sear into his mind” when he wasn’t even there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This site just can’t leave it alone can you, you can’t let us rest for one fucking minute without some kind of trash and bullshit….
I’m a Vietnam Vet, enough is enough…
Go fuck yourselves…………
You are an ignorant fool
LOL Dennis!
That was friggin’ hilarious.
This article and some of the comments following also explains why the rest of the world collectively regards Americans as unintelligent, morally bankrupt sheep. Normal human beings are born with the instinct not to harm innocents — the proof being that normal people will instinctively swerve to avoid hitting an animal with their car. It doesn’t take more than a room temperature IQ to understand why war benefits no one and is always the contributing factor to the fall of empires, especially the American empire. Until the American people collectively resolve their moral dilemma, there will be no peace for Americans. “Only the truth can heal.”
Gentlemen (including Dennis)
Recommend some additional homework for those who may have difficulty distinguishing between lawful and unlawful orders. That is to say look up Marine Major General Smedley Butler’s article titled “War is a Racket”.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
Kind regards,
Gents
Glad to hear that you’re a vet, welcome to the club of most of us.
I think for some that wearing a green and white ribbon insulates them from the reality of war.
Repeat after me! War is Bad and not something to be proud of!
In all wars (including the indochina war) soldiers kill innocent people and do things that if they were done in your neighborhood they would be still talking about the horror and death for generations to come.
I know what I’m talking about I was there and I saw what was done and who did it, yes it is true the “Bad Guys” do these things also, but that does not relieve us of our moral responsibility to account for what we did.
Does anyone remember what a 88 shirt is? If you don’t you must have been a REMF, and that does not make you some less than worthy person but give me a break have we gotten to the point where we cry about being a Viet Nam Vet and then say that what we did was honorable.
The reason for the guilt and shame is because what we did in that war and ALL WARS was evil, or good men doing the work of evil men, either way evil is what evil does.
ALL WAR IS BAD, I KNOW THAT SOME OF US GET A WARM AND FUZZY FEELING WHEN THE WAR OF OUR EXPERIENCE AND FEEL THE NEED TO DEFEND OUR WAR FROM ALL DETRACTORS BUT GROW UP, GOING TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND KILLING BROWN OR YELLOW PEOPLE FOR THE CORPORATE PIGS IS WRONG AND IF YOU HAVE LIVED FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR WHAT YOU DID YOU NEED TO LEARN THAT WON’T WORK.
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I served with the 173rd Airborne Brigade I hear ya Brother!
Things happen, war effects all that fight it. PTSD stands for= people that should of died. Infactmost with PTSD died years ago. There or those who has PTS which will turn in to a disorder it not treated. Then there is those who thinkthey have PTSD because they have changed. Sure you changed, You grew the fuck up.
This author is Paul Rockwell is not a good author. I don’t think this story should have been posted and it bring poor credit to the other authors posted on this site. Paul says this war is based on fraud … how would he know… does he know any Iraqi’s? Well I do and this war is a great thing even if you don’t know it. How about you go to Iraq and meet some people that really know what is going on instead of hiding in your little home based office trying to write about things you have no Idea about. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Like Nam, this war is also undeclared, un-constitutional, and immoral. Oh sure, the people of Iraq might smile at you from time to time, and make it look as if they like you. That is because you are there. You have weapons. And just about everyone they know has been effected by your actions in an adverse way, and they dont want to be one of those people themselves.
Why dont you go back another round, and take a bullet in the head.
Of course the war was based on fraud. There was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This was the reason given by Bush and co. for destroying a whole country. Every killing afterwards in that country is just plain and ordinary murder. To deny that the war is not based on fraud is just an admission of illiteracy and an ability to not be able to read very very recent history.
Apparently you know nothing of war either. I feel for the 21 year old in the last paragraph of the segment. I know many like him. I was there in Iraq 05-06. Fourteen months of my life gone for this lie. I will deal with the burden of war until my last breath. I believed at one time the entire “Duty Honor Country” bs but that’s just it BS. We are not the shining knights on a hill trying to liberate the world from tyranny. The US military is the enforcement arm of the financial rapist of the US monetary system and corporations. You want to know the real face of war and all of it’s motives read “War is a Racket” by Medal of Honor recipient Major General Smedley Butler. Nothing has changed only the “product”.
Soct, so you’ve been to Iraq and know Iraqis. Jolly good for you. With all your knowledge you still haven’t figured out that this war was and is being fought to protect your dear Middle East allies – those same allies who tried to sink the Liberty, those same allies that run the good ol’ US of A foreign policy and most of your home policy as well. Bet you still believe that good ol’ US of A is the land of the free and home of the brave. You probably also believe the Moon is made of cheese, right? Crawl back into your hole and carry on dreaming.
We know its based on fraud because of overwhelming evidence, simple logic and common sense. And as far as Mr. Rick is concerned, well his post speaks for itself.
After spending 25 years to win my claim and seeing my boy’s front teeth rot out and not be able to care for him. I put on the back of my truck one of those yellow ribbons with the international sign of the red circle with a line through the middle signifying the word no over the top of the yellow ribbon with the letters B S on each side of the ribbon. Basically what I was trying to say is the yellow ribbons by the citizens were BS in light of all the criminal acts the VA committed against me in treatment and in claims processing. Our great citizens ignored my explanation on the truck next to the ribbon, informing them about how the VA shredded key medical records and took 25 years to settle my claim, and the 250.000 homeless veterans in our streets. Our great citizens chastised me, would try to remove the yellow ribbon with the BS on it and not even ask how my family was doing.
Based on my personal experiences with our citizens. I believe the above is true
Terry
Hello and good Veterans day, Terry. There used to be a web-site that sold a t-shirt that had Uncle Sam looking out and saying, “I lied to you about Veterans Benefits.”. Every once in a while I will wear it and get a negative response from non Veterans and positive response from Veterans. That’s how it goes. Also learned that even if I am a qualified Veterans Service officer, can read the 38 CFR and Warms manuals and quote them, By god if they don’t want to give you your benefits, they wont! And the sooner you realize that and get a lawyer, the less frustration you will have. Yes it’s been three years of waiting to go to court, but that beats the anger i used to have over their ignorance and stupidity that i would read in my denials. Oh well. Alton
I fought the VA for 25 ytears on one claim annd 30 on another. I won both but it cost me my health. I was refused admittance to a VA hospital because the VA hadn’t service connected me fora spinal condition and then for the next 30 years I was told that I had a birth defect, not a spinal injury it took 30 years and only one xray to prove I didn’t. It also took the US Army 20 years to locate where they had misfiled my records on being hospitalized for a severe spinal injury.
Then it took the VA using another Federal agency, that almost killed me to get the VA to admit that I had PTSD. The VA had been hidding my records from me and my service reps for 27 years.
What I hate most is the fact that during this time I was a single parent raisng four kids on nothing do to the VA.
My favorite T shirt reads I LOVE MY COUNTRY, IT’S THE GOVERNMENT I’M AFRAID OF.
The only thing I have left now is to die off, the only question is do I go alone or take a few VA bastards with me.
I wish this guy could have served with me in at least one of my three tours in Vietnam. I take it he has never experienced first hand the horrors of war and out of those many horrors, good men showed why this country is what it is or at least was. I saw Am soldiers helping villagers, children frequently. I noticed also the author kept referring to others in ref to quotes and stories. In Iraq my son helped make furniture for kids in school, many men in his combat unit helped in other ways. Were these men trained to kill? One might say that, but they also know the difference in who to kill, at least for the most part.
Amazing. All the wonderful things you fuckers are doing over there, and you cant even provide Baghdad with Water. Did the Core of Engineers get lost in the desert while they are fucking themselves at the little ‘sand party’?
So how does building furniture answer the Arab world for the attacks on September 11th? Obviously there are many kindhearted soldiers over there, the question is what purpose do they serve and is that purpose in the American taxpayers best interest?
Can you answer that without revealing yourself to be a closet Marxist, who wants to use American money to build a welfare state in Iraq? Do you care about your own country’s interests at all?
Soldiers coming home with vaccine poisoning I would urge they check into this. There is hope but most likely not with the slash and drug burners at the VA.
Washington Redskin cheerleader Desiree Jennings who was crippled by the flu vaccine makes amazing recovery using natural health care remedies.
Before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9SU6vM_BA&feature=player_embedded
After
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1751%3Adesiree-jennings-experiences-amazing-recovery-with-nature-based-therapies&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/desireejenningsrecovery08nov09.shtml November 8, 2009
Desiree Jennings is the 26 year old cheerleader and marathon runner was who severely crippled with a neurological disorder diagnosed as dystonia in the wake of taking the seasonal Flu vaccine (that government officials and pharmaceutical shills keep telling us is “safe”).
Don Nicoloff mentioned to me on the phone tonight that he heard an audio clip from a radio show in which Dr Rashid Buttar of Huntersville, North Carolina, the physician who helped Desiree detoxify her body of the POISONS given to her when she got vaccinated with the saving Swine flu vaccine, explain how he applied intravenous solutions including chelating agents, anti-oxidants, nutritional support, and NATURE-BASED anti-viral compounds over a period of 36 hours which resulted in a stunning and amazing turnaround for Desiree from the seizures she was experiencing nearly EVERY MINUTE, with no ability to talk, and unable to breathe for 10 or 15 second intervals when first carried into his clinic.
You can hear the entire story from Dr Buttar himself in this radio show interview with Robert Scott Bell On October 25, 2009
” In war, TRUTH is the 1st Casualty.”
Moral courage is a euphemism for treason and cowardice.
You wouldn’t know moral courage if it bit you on the ass. The treason is entirely within the government which is owned and controlled by banksters and a certain “ally” in the Middle East. The cowardice is among the population which watches TV rather than their country being stolen from under them and also – you’ll love this – among the people who commit war crimes but are too cowardly to say no.
http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2009/07/serving-armies-of-standing-bankers.html
lol the sayanhim just want you to shut up and keep fighting.
http://wwwcampfire.blogspot.com/
The Serving Armies of The Standing Bankers.
One would be a fool to think that because they could see the delusions and denial of those around them that they were free of some degree of the same. You can’t occupy a human body with its sensory apparatus and be free of it. Even if you were free of delusions about the nature and operations of the manifest world you would not be free of delusions about yourself. Even an awareness of the world is a delusion because it indicates a state of dreaming that doesn’t exist, except as a projection upon a blank screen. The screen is real, the projection is not.
However, even if the pool a man is drowning in is not real, this does not mean you should not try to pull him out of it. His suffering is real to him, even if he is in denial about it.
I know that agents of the American and Israeli government were the authors of 9/11. I know this. Many others know this. Then there are those who buy the official line which is impossible. The very fact that no jets were scrambled during the event points to government complicity. The free fall of three buildings into their own footprints and the evidence of nano-thermite prove controlled demolition. Consider these things in a court of law.
Why then do seemingly intelligent people resist the obvious truth? Let’s give an example of a personality type. Let’s take a man who went to war in Vietnam or Iraq under the illusion that he was fulfilling some patriotic duty to a democratic country. We’ve since learned that the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, like nearly all wars, were the brain child of bankers who initiated them for profit. Let’s consider that the so-called democratic country is not, in fact, a democratic country but a serf nation in fealty to a collection of bankers called The Federal Reserve. All of the representatives of this serf nation are employed by the bank and serve at the pleasure of the bank. John Steinbeck illustrated the nature of the bank in his wonderful novel, “The Grapes of Wrath”. Today you see the reality of ‘the bank’ at work in wars for profit, in foreclosures and corporate thefts as well as the tightening of counterfeit, fiat currency flow into the economy.
This man who went to Vietnam has bought into his own sense of sacrifice and whatever idea of manhood he thought he got out of it. He even wallows in the injustice of his state, given how the war ended and the public’s view of it. It defines him to himself. He’s listening to Bruce sing, “Glory Days” on the bar stool of his dotage. He went from soldier to college graduate and into a field that relied on the serf nation for his employment. He bought into the system and served the system, continuing to believe that there are good wars and that his nation is a democratic one. He seeks justice in the system believing that the public interest is served. In reality, the poor usually go to jail and the rich stay out or spend their time in a country club. If he looks clearly at it he cannot justify his position with his conscience so he becomes philosophical and interprets everything that happens within a fantasy construct the same way he did with Vietnam.
Deep inside this man strives to believe that he is a hero. He rocks along with John Fogerty and never hears a word. All across this democratic land, there are men and women like him. They are lawyers and businessmen; politicos, doctors, engineers, teachers and whathaveyou and they all work for the system. The system allows only so much in the way of personal or reactive thought and action. When you’re heavily involved in it and in debt to it, it owns you… no matter what you tell yourself. It owns you. You can’t act outside of it and you can’t speak against it or yonder looms the highway and the sleeping bag under the overpass. This living state of compromise and hypocrisy in the service of a confined, personal survival is untenable to a real person. A real person doesn’t ask themselves the cost of truth. They pay the toll.
No one wants to have to accept that they went to war or that their children died in wars that existed only for the profit of bankers or the pressures of a foreign nation who control the banks that start the wars. No one wants to be put into the position where they jeopardize their position by speaking out against lies and hypocrisies, so they pretend they don’t exist while the very thing stares them in the face. This is how you die inside. This is how you lose your youthfulness and all of the finer qualities that made you who you think you are but no longer are because these finer qualities will not stay in the heart of a man who is false to himself.
How is it that a man can think himself brave by going to war for bankers and not find himself capable of going to war for the very essence of what these false wars were presented as being about? All the phony medals and awards of this phony world are useless except in the company of other men and women who lie to themselves. They think they are honest yet they embrace dishonesty at every turn. They think they are brave yet they kneel in a moment before the oppressors of humanity. They think they are useful but they are all bad examples and willing servants of the engines of enslavement. They watch movies about people in dire peril who win the day because that’s how movies go. They think they are one of those people but they are given the same choices as the people in the movie and they turn away. They turn away.
No man can see the world as it is who does not look closely at himself. No one can know the meaning of anything if they do not know the meaning of themselves.
It is something to see; people who imagine they are standing forth and speaking the truth while hearing the roar of the crowd. One does not hear the roar of the crowd when one speaks the truth. One hears the rustling of chairs and the sound of people leaving the hall. Why is this? The people who are leaving are not leaving because of the speaker. They are leaving because what is inside them cannot accept the responsibility that comes with hearing the truth and failing to act.
Such an immensity of lies surround us that it threatens to block out the sun. It has certainly blocked out the light of introspection and objectivity within so many of us. Enshrined lies now have their own laws to protect them. The only time a purported truth needs protection is when it is concealing the lies contained within it. If something is true then further inquiry only proves it so.
The men from Vietnam and Iraq believe they have sacrificed so much for their country but they fought and died and… in some part survived …conflicts generated by bankers. They are fools to believe otherwise but they do. Having embraced this lie it is not so hard to embrace each succeeding lie. They want to be a part of all they imagined to be true. They go on to fill the positions freely given to those who can accept and perpetuate the lies. They corrupt their own children with these lies after first having corrupted themselves. They corrupt their friends and their neighborhoods. Their churches speak of the deep things in unknown places which honor those who gave their service to God and Country. It was always the bank. It was always about the money; money for the men who did not go to war, money for the men who created the wars for money.
The greatest of honors are reserved for those who have the courage to see the lies and to admit that they were in service to lies and who then denounced the lies and their own complicity in them. These are the few and the brave who are no longer proud. How often have we seen any man accomplish this before the world and then go on to live the truth he has discovered at the cost of all he once believed to be true?
It has been truly asked what it profits a man to gain everything and lose himself. There are real heroes among us but their ranks are not composed of the men and women who have served the interests of those who sacrificed them for a lie.
Yo Mick! Good job posting Les; I always read what he has to say.
Excellent post Mick. Very well said. I look forward to the day I will be able to say it as clearly as you have. Thank’s for your post.
Much thanks. Let me quote:
” One does not hear the roar of the crowd when one speaks the truth. One hears the rustling of chairs and the sound of people leaving the hall. Why is this? The people who are leaving are not leaving because of the speaker. They are leaving because what is inside them cannot accept the responsibility that comes with hearing the truth and failing to act.”
Boys I wish I could write that but it Les Visible from Smoking Mirrors, I just left it with a link.
This is his lates offering
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/
part II
Deep inside this man strives to believe that he is a hero. He rocks along with John Fogerty and never hears a word. All across this democratic land, there are men and women like him. They are lawyers and businessmen; politicos, doctors, engineers, teachers and whathaveyou and they all work for the system. The system allows only so much in the way of personal or reactive thought and action. When you’re heavily involved in it and in debt to it, it owns you… no matter what you tell yourself. It owns you. You can’t act outside of it and you can’t speak against it or yonder looms the highway and the sleeping bag under the overpass. This living state of compromise and hypocrisy in the service of a confined, personal survival is untenable to a real person. A real person doesn’t ask themselves the cost of truth. They pay the toll.
No one wants to have to accept that they went to war or that their children died in wars that existed only for the profit of bankers or the pressures of a foreign nation who control the banks that start the wars. No one wants to be put into the position where they jeopardize their position by speaking out against lies and hypocrisies, so they pretend they don’t exist while the very thing stares them in the face. This is how you die inside. This is how you lose your youthfulness and all of the finer qualities that made you who you think you are but no longer are because these finer qualities will not stay in the heart of a man who is false to himself.
How is it that a man can think himself brave by going to war for bankers and not find himself capable of going to war for the very essence of what these false wars were presented as being about? All the phony medals and awards of this phony world are useless except in the company of other men and women who lie to themselves. They think they are honest yet they embrace dishonesty at every turn. They think they are brave yet they kneel in a moment before the oppressors of humanity. They think they are useful but they are all bad examples and willing servants of the engines of enslavement. They watch movies about people in dire peril who win the day because that’s how movies go. They think they are one of those people but they are given the same choices as the people in the movie and they turn away. They turn away.
No man can see the world as it is who does not look closely at himself. No one can know the meaning of anything if they do not know the meaning of themselves.
It is something to see; people who imagine they are standing forth and speaking the truth while hearing the roar of the crowd. One does not hear the roar of the crowd when one speaks the truth. One hears the rustling of chairs and the sound of people leaving the hall. Why is this? The people who are leaving are not leaving because of the speaker. They are leaving because what is inside them cannot accept the responsibility that comes with hearing the truth and failing to act.
Such an immensity of lies surround us that it threatens to block out the sun. It has certainly blocked out the light of introspection and objectivity within so many of us. Enshrined lies now have their own laws to protect them. The only time a purported truth needs protection is when it is concealing the lies contained within it. If something is true then further inquiry only proves it so.
The men from Vietnam and Iraq believe they have sacrificed so much for their country but they fought and died and… in some part survived …conflicts generated by bankers. They are fools to believe otherwise but they do. Having embraced this lie it is not so hard to embrace each succeeding lie. They want to be a part of all they imagined to be true. They go on to fill the positions freely given to those who can accept and perpetuate the lies. They corrupt their own children with these lies after first having corrupted themselves. They corrupt their friends and their neighborhoods. Their churches speak of the deep things in unknown places which honor those who gave their service to God and Country. It was always the bank. It was always about the money; money for the men who did not go to war, money for the men who created the wars for money.
The greatest of honors are reserved for those who have the courage to see the lies and to admit that they were in service to lies and who then denounced the lies and their own complicity in them. These are the few and the brave who are no longer proud. How often have we seen any man accomplish this before the world and then go on to live the truth he has discovered at the cost of all he once believed to be true?
It has been truly asked what it profits a man to gain everything and lose himself. There are real heroes among us but their ranks are not composed of the men and women who have served the interests of those who sacrificed them for a lie.
This was a long one.
Their churches speak of the deep things in unknown places which honor those who gave their service to God and Country. It was always the bank. It was always about the money; money for the men who did not go to war, money for the men who created the wars for money.
The greatest of honors are reserved for those who have the courage to see the lies and to admit that they were in service to lies and who then denounced the lies and their own complicity in them. These are the few and the brave who are no longer proud. How often have we seen any man accomplish this before the world and then go on to live the truth he has discovered at the cost of all he once believed to be true?
It has been truly asked what it profits a man to gain everything and lose himself. There are real heroes among us but their ranks are not composed of the men and women who have served the interests of those who sacrificed them for a lie.
We are witnessing the rise of an intrinsic core on the web these days which attempt to stifle intellectual discussion by appearing uninformed and intransigent . This is evidenced by attempts to steer discussions back to the trivial with infantile, child like accusations of racism and bigotry, such as are you from storm front, are you antisemitic, remember the holocaust, Israel is fighting for it’s life, where is my car dude and so on. I think it is now common fodder for the room temperature I.Q . type to accuse anyone who doesn;t agree with them of being a conspiracy theorist.
I think it partially springs from here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c8_1247454118
Israeli Thought police Declare All Out War On The Web
“The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad.
The Foreign Ministry intends to hire young people who speak at least one language and who study communication, political science, or law – or alternately, Israelis with military experience gained at units dealing with information analysis.
Beyond the fact that these job requirements reveal a basic lack of understanding in respect to the dynamics of the online discourse – the project’s manager argued that “adults don’t know how to blog” – they are not too relevant either. An effective talkbacker does not need a law degree or military experience.
Any attempt to plant talkbacks online must fail. Especially if the State is behind it. Not only because it’s easy to identify responses made on behalf of someone, but also because it’s anti-democratic. When the Israel Electric Company or other companies do it, it’s annoying. Yet when the State does it, it’s dangerous.
Imposters on behalf of the government are threatening free discourse even if they only wander through the virtual space. The Internet was meant to serve as an open platform for dialogue between people, rather than as a propaganda means.
Something worrisome is happening here lately. We see the accumulation of silencing attempts. The Nakba Law, the bill calling for a ban on protests outside the homes of politicians, Lieberman’s Loyalty Law, and the biometric information database. The free speech hunting season is on.
Thankfully we have the Internet, and it enables us to identify processes, discuss them, warn about them, and join forces against them. We can assume that soon we’ll see the establishment of a website opposed to this new initiative, unless such site already exists. Perhaps even a group on Facebook. I wonder whether all its members will be Foreign Ministry agents, or whether it will also include some real people.
This is not a police state: This is a thought-police state.”
This type subversion probably works on a sesame street form but this is a veteran network.
Order your tee shirt now: ( Hey dude wrong link, are you a conspiracy nut, antisemite, where is my car dude? ) Daddy was a two star general and mommy fought in nam!
http://wwwcampfire.blogspot.com/
Maybe if we do loose our free speech, it will shut the pie faced Vets up who think all the blood letting they have been engaged in was somehow connected with protecting our liberties.
Nah, these ‘grunts’ will just find another ad hominem to suckle on.
I suppose that all Vets being labeled as ‘potential’ terrorist didnt make it through enough of those thick skulls did it?
I am British and know 18 year old kids fighting in Afghanistan.
A young lad I know of 19 was guarding a VCP at the start of 2008 in Iraq when a car came through it. It ignored the stop sign, ignored the first shot from the soldier by the checkpoint and he had the GPMG. He fired through the window and stopped the car. Inside were a dead child, his dead mother and father. They died for not stopping the car. He killed them for not stopping the car. He came home on leave suffering from PTSD, got drunk every night, smoked a joint at a party went to a nightclub and took an ecstacy pill.
He failed the drugs test a few weeks later and was kicked out of the army. He is 19 and has the memory of what he did on his conscience – and the army couldnt give a shit.
Your, and our, government lied to take us to war.
You and our government are war criminals.
Our troops were sent to fight an illegal war, under equipped and for lies.
When they come back with mental illnesses they are sacked and dumped.
19 and his whole life is ruined.
Our heroes deserve better than a bastard government that lied to take us to war for oil.
Bring our troops home.
Those fools who post comments defending this war are lackeys of the liars and war criminals – they are not defenders of our hero soldiers.
Our heroes were betrayed by our governments.
Those who support this war are slaves and quizlings.
You cannot support this war and support our heroes – they must come home to their families not left to be slaughtered so as to enrich the oil companies and politicians in Blackwater, Haliburton and the other corporations.
It is not patriotism to defend an illegal war just because they have wrapped the flag around the lies that took us to war – only a foll salutes a criminal just because he is a president.
The true patriot fights against all those enemies, inner and outer, that threaten his nation and people.
That includes the government when the government is a criminal.
Why the hell are so many Americans so retarded so as not to see that the true patriot is the man who stands up for his country and what is right, not who abases himself before a criminal who steals the flag.
Britain is the poodle of America.
We bend over and take it up the ass when you tell us too.
Therefore our only hope for stopping this war is that people like you realise that the wars must stop.
The true American Nationalist and Patriot does not support the sons and daughters of the Republic being sent to fight and die in illegal wars based on lies just because the government and the president wraps the flag around those lies – the true patriot fights the real enemy here at home.
Bring our troops home.
Here here. A Brit with more Honor, Truth, Valor, and courage than all the Might of the US combined.
The boys in red and blue sure do walk around like they are swinging a 10 inch dick, but they still cant hold Iraq.
And they think that Martial Law is going to be a cakewalk. Because you always do what you all are told dont you?
That is why you shoot kids, Women, and the old, right?
Sorry ‘Charlie’, when the time comes for your Masters to act here, in the US, its going to be a whole different ballgame.
The US population last month bought 1.5 Billion rounds of ammunition.
You all might have the planes, tanks, etc, but again, they cant even hold Iraq.
Keep the Oath. Otherwise, when the shit starts here, you all are not going to swagger any longer.
Excellent comment Mr. Lee John Barnes.
I must remind you however America is still the colony the London Corporation controls our federal reserve which is not federal. They issue worthless paper and send the gold and silver back to London vaults. They even load the silver ware on ships and have it melted down.
Of course it does not benefit the British who are now being impoverished like the rest of us.
In Afhanistan alone there are now at least 70,000 mercenaries employed by British Aegis, a contractor. It is still failing.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_blacknobil.htm
Well, I see the mind numbed government robots are out in commenting force regarding this story.
There are two kinds of soldier. The first is one who deludes himself into justifying atrocities he’s committed. In order to survive an outwardly normal remainder of their lives, they convince themselves that they were following orders and the wishes of the American people for the good of democracy and freedom. The remainder of their miserable existence will be a denial of responsibility and only ONE will be their ultimate judge. On the day of judgment, their own caviler disregard for willing murder will convict them. They sacrificed their souls on behalf of an idiot laughing stock G.W.Bush whose family is tied to everything from the Nazi war machine to the assassination of JFK and climaxed in the war on terror and the obliteration of the middle east.
These are facts, deny at your own risk! Your failure to be informed does not make me the wacko.
The other soldier is saturated with conscience and crippling guilt. These are the pitiable souls racked with the pains of their deeds because they’ve admitted to themselves the horrors of their actions regardless of peer pressures and understand the lying nature of governments, particularly ours and their own terrible part in the criminal charade.
The tragedy is that there can be no redemption for the murderous frenzies committed at the behest of psychotic leaders. Parents send their children to war in blind obedience to duty and the authority of the state. Most youngsters are pre-developmental, thereby modifiable because their adult moral character is rarely advanced to the point of moral courage spoken of in this story.
The fraudulent realities of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars on terror are without question for those willing to pierce the vale of false patriotic duty placed before us all, but we must be willing to accept the truth.
Denial is the refuge of choice for those too weak to admit their participation in crimes so monstrous, they rival the barbarity of history’s most evil tyrants by the hand of their ignorant people, and I am speaking of battlefield supporters within the American public as well, who permitted by acquiescence, the traitorous misuse of American military power against relatively defenseless sandal clad indigenous residents of that broken land.
The sin and immorality of individual deeds are not the concern of battlefield commanders or their superiors. Blindly following orders is a staple of despotic leaders who depend on mindless drones to commit the horrors of war
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Those who have committed soul crushing sins in the name of lying politicians are robbed of their souls and those victims of such abuse should be mad as hell not only at themselves but equally at the liars who led them to this untenable condition.
You who think yourselves witty in your uninformed childish responses to this story are precisely the kind of inhuman animals required for such barbarity to occur in the first place. It has nothing to do with bravery or cowardice, but has everything to do with intelligence and common decency and the shame that comes from having neither. A shame and guilt that comes much too late.
It has to do with a deception of corporate and banking elitists who use the stupidity of the public against the public. It has to do with the communist menace which has usurped our society and our government. It has to do with demonic forces and the practitioners of occultist doctrine who congregate at the highest levels of our society and steer public perceptions and manufacture opinion. It has to do with Heaven and Hell.
The poor misguided souls discussed in this story and those like them are lost and damned by way of their ignorance. Those who post here with callous disregard for the misery they’ve inflicted on an innocent population attempting to defend itself are the type we must all fear and I mean fear greatly.
Patriotism is service to ones country, not it’s government. the two are not the same especially in America. An overthrown government must not be obeyed. The sooner you admit that, the sooner you’ll have truthful answers and the path to understanding will be cleared.
Many will find comfort in denying truth. Grow up and get a grip.
SVF
Valley Forge Pa.
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Right on dog!
Yep, the soldiers have it the worst and if you ask me they should just stop fighting and come home. The USA is nothing but a puppet state for the Illuminati doing their bidding.
But if you look into the divorce courts you will see just how badly the Illuminati are oppressing ALL men now. Those who have not yet been divorced often live in fear of the divorce courts. Any man who speaks out is a ‘whiner’ and should ‘get over it’. Even when crimes have been committed against them by the criminals who call themselves ‘politicians’ and ‘judges’.
It’s time to wake up folks. The Illuminati are in charge. They propose to turn the world into a ‘New World Order’ which means communist police state and they are heavily oppressing as many men as they can to break their will to resists.
What you see with our soldiers is just the tip of the iceberg. Try looking into Stephen Baskervilles Book ‘Taken into Custody’ where he documents the massive civil liberties violations against all married men in the US and other ‘western’ countries.
Time for all fighting men to take up the fight to the real enemy. The Illuminati. The hidden guvment behind the criminal politicians.
AMEN!
Add to that the machinations of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Tri-Lateral Commission. Presidents aren’t elected – they’re chosen. Treason is the only thing that can destroy this country. It’s happening NOW. Wake up folks, we’re running out of time!
All wars are Satanic – All lies are Satanic
To kill is the work of Satan
The Truth belongs to the Almighty
The strong delusion is for those who don’t love the Truth
Is it not truthfully said:
“PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL”
No MK, Patriotism is NOT the last refuge of a scoundrel. Those that say it is are the scoundrels
The very fact the bush administration needed to resort to lying for the cause to war, should be enough of a clue to the normal human mind that war crimes are going on from day one, in both countries we have attacked.
The first one was an embarrassing situation. The boosh crime syndicate were asked to prove their claims and instead they replied with a legit request for legal proof by turning on the bomber spigot. Bombing a nation to “arrest” one man?? How about going after those thousands of fugitives in another nation running from American justice? (That will never happen, that was not the underlaying reason to invade)
Globalman, what you have witnessed is the direct result of ‘con servative’ hate for babies and those guys sticking their tools into the first woman that would accept it. Don’t like the result? You should have thought first instead of leading with your dick. Such a small issue when we are led to global war over liars claims.
I commend those who have been to war and lost something valuable. But the awesome ones who have told the truth and suffered the bigger loss are even more deserving of praise.
I will keep listening to your stories. I hope you will keep telling the truth.
To those foolish flag worshippers, here is a hint: no one makes it to heaven worshipping flags. Many have tried it, but alas it doesn’t work. Group-think, and mass mind manipulation abounds. Fools and those who like killing will continue to justify their slobbering war against “them terrorists”. And the banksters continue to make billions off your blood and misappropriated patriotism. Yes I love America. I am sad America the ideal has been stolen and applied like a cheap label to what now passes as a noble country. We have become a cheap knock-off, full of hedonsim, politicians and Chinese plastic.
We lead the world in freedom still, but how much longer is the big question.
Couldn’t have said it any better Sad Truth!
we are in the last days satan is tightening his grip. i joined the USAF in 74 after high school. i wanted to serve but i no longer believe the lies of our government
Once you get a war going, it acquires it’s own momentum driven by despair, hatred and thirst for vengeance. Decades after the Second World War, British and American and German and Japanese veterans associate and commiserate with each other. However, during the conflict they were brainwashed into looking upon the enemy as inherently barbaric and inferior.
Over and over, the same deception is practiced, yet people continue to fall for it.
“THERE ARE NOT WAR LIKE PEOPLE, ONLY WAR LIKE LEADERS” People throw out ALL the leaders and start fresh next year, we can do it!!!!
For those who think all these wars for conquest are a good idea I strongly suggest reading General Smedley Butler’s “War is a Racket” or Col don de Gran Pre’s “Barbarians Inside The Gates-The Black Book Of Bolshevism”. Our once great country has been hijacked. To delude yourself to think otherwise is a huge disservice to the returning kids today with their minds fried. Great article. The truth can be painful but is a great disinfectant. Our country is in deep trouble. RL Army Vietnam 1970-71
I just recently became aware of Gen. Smedley Butler and his actions in preventing a domestic coup (and how the industrialist perps walked away unscathed). What an incredible human being and Marine. The excerpts from “War is a Racket” are amazing and can be found readily enough online.
I will check out your Black Book of Bolshevism suggestion when I get a chance.
“It isn’t what we don’t know that gives us trouble, it’s what we know that ain’t so.
” – Will Rogers
Agree. We are in “Amerikka” and this country is hijacked. When people stop believing what they are told and do a little homework on their own they might begin to wake up. I doubt it will happen. God help us where will we be in 10 years or 20?
My friend’s son was with Marines 1/5 for the fall of Baghdad. When I asked him what his experience over there was, the first words out of his mouth were, “We killed people for no reason.” He went on to relate how their checkpoints would regularly open up on approaching vehicles that often were full of nothing but women and children because maybe they didn’t slow down enough or heed hand signals properly. He also had to render aid to these same occupants with wounded children screaming in anquish and terror next to their dead or dying mothers and aunts. He told of a six year old girl with the back of her skull blown off by a rifle round stumbling about unaware of anything but her dead mother on the ground.
He said he learned first hand just how much we were all lied to about Iraq. His attitude was, “Support the troops, but not the mission” (this sentiment gets regularly mocked on right wing sites). Several of his friends I met at his homecoming never came back from their next tour of duty.
Other sites that I have posted this account at have said either he or I are liars(right wing of course). That’s how badly they need to deny the horror done in our name. Yes, they have given much to try to help te Iraqis, but also saw how much misery they brought due to corrupt US leadership.
Lancethruster: TYVM for your candid and honest remark on the Iraq war!
Lancethruster: TYVM for your candid and honest remark on the Iraq war!
I am grateful to this site and all the posters regardless of viewpoint for letting me share this. I listened to my friend’s son talk about openly and honestly about his combat experiences. He told me things that were traumatic just to hear them, let alone be there. I am glad he is a well-adjusted young man and seems to view his role there with a calm stoicism; but I’m sure he bears a psychic burden as well. You cannot be a thinking, feeling person and not be affected by those images.
“I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It’s my job. If I don’t get those bastards, then they’re gonna kill a lot of these kids we got dressed up like Marines. That’s just the way I see it.” – Marine Sniper Carlos Hathcock (May 20, 1942 – February 23, 1999)
It is funny how every supporter of the war says the same thing – “you just don’t know what I know” – but these idiots are too inarticulate to express any purpose behind their beliefs.
There is no patriotism without purpose. If you do not have a clear purpose, a clear aim that can be articulated with forceful precision you are a waste of life.
I dare any supporter of the war to state clearly what the purpose of the war is. – You can’t
Deep down inside you know that this war is not about destroying threats to the American people. It is about using our military as a social experiment to reprogram Middle-Eastern society and make it more modern, more consumerist, and more liberal. Every soldier in our military is being asked to do the impossible. There is no amount of time or patience that will give our military the power to “fix” an inferior culture. You criticize liberals, but only a liberal would buy the idiotic idea that war can be used to enlighten a society. Militaries exist to kill people and destroy things. If you don’t understand that, you understand nothing about history and are neither patriotic or conservative. The only purpose of war is to destroy your enemies quickly and get the hell out fast. George Bush and anyone who supports him are traitors. Using the military to enact social progress is the result of a degenerate intellect.
Don’t make me sick Republicans, cloaking your neo-marxist agenda in patriotism, pretending that using American money to build schools for women has any benefit to America. This veteran is sick of Republicans that complain about liberals and then try to sell this war by emphasizing how it liberalizes Iraqi society. How stupid are you?
Jay, by calling out “dem republicans” you show you have fallen for the left-right paradigm. It’s all a show man, put on by the mass-mind controllers. Obama now is callin for more troops and bigger war and why? Because he works for the same puppet master that Bush and Clinton did before him. War is always used to pound someone into submission. Just like “religion” is used as a bludgeon. Follow the money and you’ll see the world bankers getting rich and fat while people are blown to death and one group is pitted against another. Marxism is blossoming right here alright, and Obama is helping it grow just as much as Bush did or McCain would have. You have to get past the false belief that one party is better than the other. That’s how the mind control works. It fools people into ascenting to evil in a wrapper of their choice. Rabid republicans are as foolish as rabid liberals. Neither of those types can admit they were fooled because it would be admitting their own flaws and inability to see clearly. READ HISTORY and you’ll see this repeated over and over. In 1979, Mitch McConnell told local GOP leaders in Louisville KY “Republican and Democrat” doesn’t matter any more. He’s now leading the GOP in the U.S. Senate.
Only those with something to gain start wars.The common man worries only about taking care of his family.It takes huge propaganda efforts to start wars.Does anyone really believe that Iraq,Afghanistan or any of these third rate countrys are any real threat to us?The pipeline was the only reason we attacked the Taliban.They wnted a better deal and were offered one by a competeing oil company. End of story.
Carry on gentleman the real Americans have showed up!
There is no such thing as freedom in a Bastille of lies
Human sickness is so severe that few can bare to look at it…but those who do will become well – Vernon Howard
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty – (Gospel of Thomas)
The fist that crushes the tyrant’s head, becomes a tyrant in the tyrant’s stead…William Blake
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you….Nietzsch
Convictions are more dangerous enemies of the truth than lies…..Nietzsche
He who cannot obey himself will be commanded…..Nietzsche
It is more kingly to conquer ones self than to conquer his enemies…..Alexander the Great
What is going on in the Middle east is to the benefit of Israel. Israel is the enemy, it is the safe haven of the oligarchic elitist criminals whose bloodlines have bilked the world for hundreds of years and no one gets it.
Take a look at every event and you will find the hand of the Zionist monster, the Liberty, the Cole, 911, Khobar, lebanon.
Israel is the master terrorists at false flag terror. If you have the guts and the will to look into these things you will find the work of the Talmudic jew who has wrought the plague of war and financial servitude upon the world.
They have been caught many times but through the controlled main media this info is squashed denigrated and the mighty finger of anti semitism is waved like a cheap suit on Sunday.
The time to see the light is over, we blew it. through material consumption , crapola and steroid inspired sporting events on the TV, the culture of America is like decomposing piss in an ashtray.
Israel is behind all these wars, they run the financial institutions, they own the congress, dictate foreign policy will blame anyone for their profit driven wars. It’s deep, very deep.
To make a long story short when the Taliban were in charge in Afghanistan they were told by the U.S. they wanted a a pipeline from Turkmenistan to the Arabian Gulf, cooperate and you get the red carpet, if not you get war.
And this is where we find ourselves to date, after an amazing sychronicity of events and the bodies of millions in graves and mass pits. The pipeline is on hold but the poppies are growing.
“Fully of aware of the civilian carnage, his captain asserts: “No, today was a good day.”
For the captain it was a good day.
“Have a good day” is a saying that is pervasive in our culture. Many say it without realizing it sinister connotations. It is a jewish saying in remembrance of Purim and celebrating the killing of Haman and other non-jewish Persians. A good day for jews means a day killing non-jews. Every war day is a good day for jews as long as it’s non-jews, Christians and Muslims, killing each other.
The US zionist controlled government and media hides the number of war casualties. Dead men don’t talk. How many US soldiers are killed by mossad infiltrated contractors? How many suicides, accidents, and friendly-fire are murders?
Great Eye is right.
Who benefits? Oil, pipelines, poppies, war profiteers, Israel? All of the above. But must add at least one more: the destruction of the US militarily and economically. Every war casualty is a loss to some but a benefit to others.
The jewish book of laws, the talmud, tells jews to “Kill the best goyim.”
Down with the Zionazi!
Satanic lies, wars and un-knowledge:
It’s now official – there’s been no actual shortage of Holocaust survivors:
‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million’ (extract from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso, London and New York, 2000, p.83).
[Googling "holocaust survivor" supplies 1,710,000 items]
And see Wikipedia article: List of Holocaust survivors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_survivors – quote:
“There are many famous Holocaust survivors who survived the Nazi genocides in Europe and went on to achievements of great fame and notability. Those listed here were, at the very least, residents of the parts of Europe occupied by the Axis powers during World War II who survived until the end of the Holocaust (and the war). The majority of these people survived incarceration in the Nazi concentration camps, but that is not strictly necessary for the purposes of this list…”
Statement by Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus
University of Ulster, December 5, 2005:
“I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.”
Our “Groveller-in Chief” (as he’s known in Britain), President Soetero… er… ahhh…Oh yeah… Obama seems to be doing the right moral thing for all of us as he grovels before world leaders that hold our debt.
He and the war mongers before him send us to kill while they reap the profits from their investments.
They’re the ones that need morals.
My conscience is clear!
Just remember as we read the lines here that the Pentagon considers information a major component of war. That means that as lines of truth are being drawn on this page, it is highly likely the pentagon’s goons will be posting disinformation and misinformation to muddy the ability to see clearly.
A Nazi brownshirt named Hilmar VonCampe has written a book in which he states “A man with an experience is never held hostage by a man with an argument”.
VonCampe makes that statement regarding those who argue it didn’t happen, etc. He was there and he took part in it and now he writes his book as part of his repentence in hopes it won’t happen again. He is very worried about this country in which he now lives.
I will take the experiences of the soldiers on the ground over the shrill and blind flag-waving BS. Flag waving doesn’t thrill me and threats of impending doom and “aren’t we safer now” sound like history repeating itself. “Emergency, Emergency” is the favorite cry of tyranny.
I can tell you this. My own relatives didn’t fight in a bloody WWII or Korea to then turn around and have the government pick the pockets of every person here and drain this country with high taxes and political BS like “Buy heath care insurance or we will fine you and throw you in jail.” Does that sound like freedom to you?
Amen to Information Warfare. As the truth gets worse, the pentagon’s info war specialists will go into hyper drive to disinfo their way out of it. They work for the government which in turn works for the bankers.
Regarding Smaj’s comments, let me provide a short intel analysis of said comments.
First, Smaj attempts to discredit the writer by inferring several times that the writer relies on “information from others,”. We must not fall for this literary trick, remembering that those others were reporting experiences they had.
Also, we note that Smaj writes that he saw many helping village kids in ‘nam, and his son helped iraqi kids by building school desks.
Again, while good natured people do good things, this is not what war is about. No country sends an expensive military and highly trained soldiers to pat school kids on the head, hand out candy or fix school desks. So While Smaj may have these experiences, they are not the reason for war. Churches and missionaries handle these things during peace times.
Next we have his reference to his son, and to “am soldiers”. One could take those references to mean americans and in particular our sons are not going to make mistakes and kill the wrong people, ie: civilians.
War making and the chaos of war dehumanizes and does indeed allow people to kill civilians as again we have the brave testimony of many many soldiers who tell the stories later. And yes, they are American red blooded sons and daughters who report atrocities and even admit to taking part in them. It is part of war and an ugly part we don’t want to know.
Also we note that Smaj seems to have an overarching paradigm consistent with military propaganda in that his experience in ‘nam was apparently devoid of atrocity, and his son now has the same experience in Iraq. This “war is good” paradigm fits the profile of military info operations but not reality.
Analysis: Possibility one: This soldier and his son both have experiences that are outside the normal range of military operations which kill and destroy both civilians and military targets. That is not to say his story of good people doing good things didn’t happen, or couldn’t happen. But it is to say that this controlling view of his military experience to the exclusion of possible atrocity is unrealistic at least, and casts doubt on credibility at most.
Possibility two: This short, easy to read story is part of a military intel operation designed to dilute the truth about Iraq operations as somehow being any different than any other military operation. It uses patriotism, parenthood, and altruism as well as a measure of discrediting language to help doubters maintain their doubts about the veracity of atrocity stories. As disinformation, Smaj fits many intel ops molds at the least, and at the most this comment acts as disinformation.
I attempted to post this directly under smaj comments, however each post was blocked with the “you entered an invalid code” error message.
I had the same problem with “invalid entry code” 3 times even though I double checked the code before I hit submit. And each time I lost what I’d written.
Veterans Today, what’s up with that?
The End of Illusion:
Author Chris Hedges at Miami Book Fair
Nice to see some guy behind a microphone saying something worthy for a change …
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=91&task=vi deodirectlink&id=5092
I agree with “The Veteran” no ageism persist here i balance your intuitions also!!
I just assume the first time you get error code it the relay to various intel agencies and the second time you punch in the post goes here.
Hitachi’s new microchips come in syringes. Japanese to finally win the war and get pay back
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1835%3Ahitachis-new-microchips-are-63-times-smaller-than-in-2003-come-in-syringes&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en
Plague killing within hours in Poland, planes flying low.
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1861%3Apneumonic-plague-reported-in-eastern-poland&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
8 dead in Sweden again from swine flu jab.