Comments on: DAILY MYTHBUSTER: Health Insurance Reform and Veterans http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans Military Veterans and Foreign Affairs Journal - VA - Veterans Administration Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ALTON http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31646 ALTON Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:01:14 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31646 Ya know I got bored and really, really read article above about this new 'socialized medicine. In the bottom line about myths and facts it states that VA and TRI-CARE are the acceptable "minimum coverage". Well, I tell you, they are right and they are wrong. Been to a lot of VAs, I think about 10 and I found ONE that treated me decent. This ranged from "you haven't been in the system 6 months" to "I can't find the problem, your going to have to live with the pain" and ending with the good one, "go over there and wait for your number to come up to get your meds". taken as an average, THIS IS THE MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE. AND IT SUCKS. About Tri-care, if I am not mistaken, IF a base will 'see' retired military, I can go there (and if a base is nearby too). I may have to find a doctor OFF BASE that takes Tri-care (if I don't like the all day drive), but a lot of them are at nearby bases. As retarded, I mean retired I can shop on base so really why move? Ain't it great having all these benefits? Sometimes I think I might even be appreciated for bleeding for Wall-street, Until I try to find a job and I find that no one wants to hire the disabled. Fact of the matter is, if you are on Tri-Care Prime, the cost is $460 a year. That's right gentlemints, $460 a year. Now if I am not mistaken, the average cost for medical insurance is $450 A MONTH, so tell me why would I WANT to pay for extra coverage (which pays for, at most 80% ) when Tri-care pays for a 100%? About the only thing 'wrong' is that some places overseas do not take Tri-care Prime, (even if near a base) but they will take 'standard. If you work for the gommint, bring your wife with you and she has to has an operation, hey, all but 25% is covered. It just means you can't drink as much 12 % Beer as you did before and you might have to "go slumming" (AKA pub crawling) a little less often. On the other hand, if you take her with you, you don't have to worry about, "what's it going to be tonight, blond, brunette or redhead and will I have to say I love you in the morning? Hopefully I don't have to get ANOTHER penicillin shot and can she cook? Ach, too many questions... Gives me a headache. Gotta take three tylenols and wash it down with a Beer". See guys, this is what happens when you don't eat meat at least three times a week. It makes you write 'fonny. Ya know I got bored and really, really read article above about this new ‘socialized medicine. In the bottom line about myths and facts it states that VA and TRI-CARE are the acceptable “minimum coverage”. Well, I tell you, they are right and they are wrong. Been to a lot of VAs, I think about 10 and I found ONE that treated me decent. This ranged from “you haven’t been in the system 6 months” to “I can’t find the problem, your going to have to live with the pain” and ending with the good one, “go over there and wait for your number to come up to get your meds”. taken as an average, THIS IS THE MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE. AND IT SUCKS.
About Tri-care, if I am not mistaken, IF a base will ‘see’ retired military, I can go there (and if a base is nearby too). I may have to find a doctor OFF BASE that takes Tri-care (if I don’t like the all day drive), but a lot of them are at nearby bases. As retarded, I mean retired I can shop on base so really why move? Ain’t it great having all these benefits? Sometimes I think I might even be appreciated for bleeding for Wall-street, Until I try to find a job and I find that no one wants to hire the disabled. Fact of the matter is, if you are on Tri-Care Prime, the cost is $460 a year. That’s right gentlemints, $460 a year. Now if I am not mistaken, the average cost for medical insurance is $450 A MONTH, so tell me why would I WANT to pay for extra coverage (which pays for, at most 80% ) when Tri-care pays for a 100%?
About the only thing ‘wrong’ is that some places overseas do not take Tri-care Prime, (even if near a base) but they will take ‘standard. If you work for the gommint, bring your wife with you and she has to has an operation, hey, all but 25% is covered. It just means you can’t drink as much 12 % Beer as you did before and you might have to “go slumming” (AKA pub crawling) a little less often.
On the other hand, if you take her with you, you don’t have to worry about, “what’s it going to be tonight, blond, brunette or redhead and will I have to say I love you in the morning? Hopefully I don’t have to get ANOTHER penicillin shot and can she cook? Ach, too many questions… Gives me a headache. Gotta take three tylenols and wash it down with a Beer”. See guys, this is what happens when you don’t eat meat at least three times a week. It makes you write ‘fonny.

]]> By: Alton http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31392 Alton Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:54:13 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31392 So here I am, in my humble abode, living the American dream (my car in the garage, frozen chicken in the freezer, you know) and I’m thinking about what the Government spends ‘my’ money on. On the news they tell me that the new socialized medicine / health care bill will cost the US taxpayers 1.2 Trillion dollars in 10 years time. I don’t know what a Trillion dollars looks like, a three story house perhaps, but how much do ‘We’ spend on health care costs now? I hear a bunch of Congressmen say "it's too expensive", then without blinking an eye they vote for a ‘Defense budget’ of 656 Billion dollars for this year only. So, how much is the ‘Offense’ budget you ask? Oh, that’s right, it’s the ‘Defense budget’ but they don’t want to call it what it really is, so they call it ‘Defense’ instead. Kind of like ‘Military Intelligence’, an oxymoron, got it? Now I didn’t do so well in school waaaayyy back (the ol, “hey Suzy, let’s play doctor” wink, wink. gets em at test time thing), but as far as I can tell the ‘Defense budget’ in ONE YEAR is close to two thirds what the Socialized health care cost would be in TEN! If it takes THAT much to kill a bunch of guys with no education, no real home, owning just the clothes on their back (that’s terrible, no fashion sense at all, it clashes), can’t we all agree it costs too much (numbers please, how much is the yearly cost for (HA!) the ‘Defense’ wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just set down with them, have a party, drink lots and lots of beer (the good stuff, not the 3.2) and that’s all? How much would the costs of hangovers be as opposed to the ‘Defense costs’ now? Personally I think this is how it goes. The Democrats being seen as representing the poor, (even though 44% of Congress is Millionaires now) want the bill passed so they can have more Democrats to vote and the Republicans don’t want the bill for the same reason. Then someone with intelligence, (strange, a public official with intelligence, another oxymoron) pointed out to RNC chairman, Steele that his party’s insurance allowed for elective abortions (a sticking point in the new health care bill) so he had to cancel his party’s insurance coverage for abortions, elective or not. He wanted lots more of ‘little Republicans’ around to have them vote his way. “Now Junior, I want you to pull this lever, NO, not that one. This one. Now let’s get back in the Limousine and see about your draft deferment and your college SAT scores”. Sgt. O’Malley: Mall cop and Fashion policeman, New Stork city So here I am, in my humble abode, living the American dream (my car in the garage, frozen chicken in the freezer, you know) and I’m thinking about what the Government spends ‘my’ money on. On the news they tell me that the new socialized medicine / health care bill will cost the US taxpayers 1.2 Trillion dollars in 10 years time. I don’t know what a Trillion dollars looks like, a three story house perhaps, but how much do ‘We’ spend on health care costs now? I hear a bunch of Congressmen say “it’s too expensive”, then without blinking an eye they vote for a ‘Defense budget’ of 656 Billion dollars for this year only. So, how much is the ‘Offense’ budget you ask? Oh, that’s right, it’s the ‘Defense budget’ but they don’t want to call it what it really is, so they call it ‘Defense’ instead. Kind of like ‘Military Intelligence’, an oxymoron, got it?
Now I didn’t do so well in school waaaayyy back (the ol, “hey Suzy, let’s play doctor” wink, wink. gets em at test time thing), but as far as I can tell the ‘Defense budget’ in ONE YEAR is close to two thirds what the Socialized health care cost would be in TEN! If it takes THAT much to kill a bunch of guys with no education, no real home, owning just the clothes on their back (that’s terrible, no fashion sense at all, it clashes), can’t we all agree it costs too much (numbers please, how much is the yearly cost for (HA!) the ‘Defense’ wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just set down with them, have a party, drink lots and lots of beer (the good stuff, not the 3.2) and that’s all? How much would the costs of hangovers be as opposed to the ‘Defense costs’ now?
Personally I think this is how it goes. The Democrats being seen as representing the poor, (even though 44% of Congress is Millionaires now) want the bill passed so they can have more Democrats to vote and the Republicans don’t want the bill for the same reason. Then someone with intelligence, (strange, a public official with intelligence, another oxymoron) pointed out to RNC chairman, Steele that his party’s insurance allowed for elective abortions (a sticking point in the new health care bill) so he had to cancel his party’s insurance coverage for abortions, elective or not. He wanted lots more of ‘little Republicans’ around to have them vote his way. “Now Junior, I want you to pull this lever, NO, not that one. This one. Now let’s get back in the Limousine and see about your draft deferment and your college SAT scores”.
Sgt. O’Malley: Mall cop and Fashion policeman, New Stork city

]]> By: Steve60 http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31384 Steve60 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:41:00 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31384 No, not at 60% No, not at 60%

]]> By: SMajGrotto http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31380 SMajGrotto Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:08:04 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31380 Wait until you see all the Constitutionists that are standing by to take the new health bill to court if passed by the democrats. No where in the constitution does it state that we have the 'right' to health insurance. Wait until you see all the Constitutionists that are standing by to take the new health bill to court if passed by the democrats. No where in the constitution does it state that we have the ‘right’ to health insurance.

]]> By: Cav Scout http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31377 Cav Scout Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:31:39 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31377 Sounds like you are listening to way too much of the Foxiganda station. Clinton was a good republican! He was a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). All this started with the Regan plan of "Trickle On"economics you big dummy! Why do you pee-on's always vote against you own best interest and for the very ones that are screwing you? Oh yeah...I remember, it is for the three G's...God, Guns and Gays. I am on the West Coast and get wonderful health care at the VA as a 100% Service Connected Vietnam Vet! Hell....They even pay me millage to travel there. Sounds like you are listening to way too much of the Foxiganda station. Clinton was a good republican! He was a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). All this started with the Regan plan of “Trickle On”economics you big dummy! Why do you pee-on’s always vote against you own best interest and for the very ones that are screwing you? Oh yeah…I remember, it is for the three G’s…God, Guns and Gays. I am on the West Coast and get wonderful health care at the VA as a 100% Service Connected Vietnam Vet! Hell….They even pay me millage to travel there.

]]> By: Simon A http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31374 Simon A Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:03:21 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31374 Has any one consider that as veterans who ETS with a medical discharge the impact it will have on our choices of care we are entitled to? As a wounded veteran there is no such thing as written or apply law which dictates our standard of care. It is not bad enough that we have to pay Medicare Part B and Tricare for Life fees so we can care for our service connected injuries? We can listen to every person and each has a different story about VA care we may or may not get or how much it is going to cost. As disabled veterans are we to fit into high risk insurance option? As the plan purposes for all with pre-existing conditions. I have stated reading the plan myself and it does not look good for anybody, not even the poor who for the most part already have insurance. Are do we qualify for the basic plan, or surely the premium plan or if we can afford it the Cadillac Plan (the Advance Plan which offers dental, etc)? Oop, VA dental care, do we pay for that now? I do not know about you guys but I have many questions which have yet to be explain by any proponent of the bill. Do we really believe that healthcare for us is going to be free, considering that there is no contractual agreement for the government to provide any care for us, or that anything that the VA provides is "merely gratuity"? according to the VA and the Supreme Court. Has any one consider that as veterans who ETS with a medical discharge the impact it will have on our choices of care we are entitled to? As a wounded veteran there is no such thing as written or apply law which dictates our standard of care. It is not bad enough that we have to pay Medicare Part B and Tricare for Life fees so we can care for our service connected injuries? We can listen to every person and each has a different story about VA care we may or may not get or how much it is going to cost. As disabled veterans are we to fit into high risk insurance option? As the plan purposes for all with pre-existing conditions. I have stated reading the plan myself and it does not look good for anybody, not even the poor who for the most part already have insurance. Are do we qualify for the basic plan, or surely the premium plan or if we can afford it the Cadillac Plan (the Advance Plan which offers dental, etc)? Oop, VA dental care, do we pay for that now? I do not know about you guys but I have many questions which have yet to be explain by any proponent of the bill. Do we really believe that healthcare for us is going to be free, considering that there is no contractual agreement for the government to provide any care for us, or that anything that the VA provides is “merely gratuity”? according to the VA and the Supreme Court.

]]> By: lucy http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31369 lucy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:15:33 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31369 I am an Army Veteran who is 60 percent disabled and are now recieving Health care through the VA. I would like to know if my spouse is eligible for he healthcare bill I am an Army Veteran who is 60 percent disabled and are now recieving Health care through the VA. I would like to know if my spouse is eligible for he healthcare bill

]]> By: Dennis Rick http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31368 Dennis Rick Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:14:39 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31368 It appears to me that the VA will be okay, but for the retiree's under Tri-care and Tri-care for life better look out (Me). As the government does, it robs peter to pay Paul and us retiree's are Peter. Now this all started with that sorry ass Clinton taking away us Retiree's health benefits and stated a snow ball of different types of health coverage for us. In which all have only gone up and up in price and the sky is the limit. Check out the Dental coverage, from what I see it will double and its almost useless as it is (for the West Coast). You pay 1,200 a year (now) and you can get 1,200 worth of dental work..duh.............. I'm happy to see the Vets get more out of the VA but, Us retiree's are paying the price for it. Good thing I kept my Fed Blue Cross, Blue Shield after I retired out of the DOD after the military...The VA is alright (50% disabled). But for my peace of mind, I kept my Fed Blue for a second opinion and so far its work good plus my wife is 100% disabled though Social Security and we need the Fed Blue for her meds (I use the VA). The S.S. part for meds is sky high if my wife were to pick up that part, crap she wouldn't get a check or very little... I think us retiree's are about to get hammered and hammered hard..just wait and see...as the democrats say, Its for your own good!!! It appears to me that the VA will be okay, but for the retiree’s under Tri-care and Tri-care for life better look out (Me). As the government does, it robs peter to pay Paul and us retiree’s are Peter.

Now this all started with that sorry ass Clinton taking away us Retiree’s health benefits and stated a snow ball of different types of health coverage for us. In which all have only gone up and up in price and the sky is the limit.

Check out the Dental coverage, from what I see it will double and its almost useless as it is (for the West Coast). You pay 1,200 a year (now) and you can get 1,200 worth of dental work..duh…………..

I’m happy to see the Vets get more out of the VA but, Us retiree’s are paying the price for it. Good thing I kept my Fed Blue Cross, Blue Shield after I retired out of the DOD after the military…The VA is alright (50% disabled). But for my peace of mind, I kept my Fed Blue for a second opinion and so far its work good plus my wife is 100% disabled though Social Security and we need the Fed Blue for her meds (I use the VA).

The S.S. part for meds is sky high if my wife were to pick up that part, crap she wouldn’t get a check or very little…

I think us retiree’s are about to get hammered and hammered hard..just wait and see…as the democrats say, Its for your own good!!!

]]> By: SMajGrotto http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31361 SMajGrotto Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:00:31 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31361 Also don't listen or watch CNN, ABC, CBS or MSPMS! Also don’t listen or watch CNN, ABC, CBS or MSPMS!

]]> By: Chaplain Mary Murphy http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31354 Chaplain Mary Murphy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:35:27 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31354 Saturday November 21, 2009 Harvest Community Church, 44th and Teller, Wheat Ridge Colorado - 2:00 4:00 THANKSGIVING GATHERING TURKEY ALL YOU CAN EAT WE WILL DISCUSS our www.veteranschamberofcommerce.org; solar energy training for Wounded Warriors Incarcerated. Please join us The War Widows Veteransjustice@aol.com Saturday November 21, 2009 Harvest Community Church, 44th and Teller, Wheat Ridge Colorado – 2:00 4:00 THANKSGIVING GATHERING TURKEY ALL YOU CAN EAT

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]]> By: Chaplain Mary Murphy http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31353 Chaplain Mary Murphy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:35:07 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31353 Saturday November 21, 2009 Harvest Community Church, 44th and Teller, Wheat Ridge Colorado - 2:00 4:00 THANKSGIVING GATHERING TURKEY ALL YOU CAN EAT WE WILL DISCUSS our www.veteranschamberofcommerce.org; solar energy training for Wounded Warriors Incarcerated. Please join us The War Widows Veteransjustice@aol.com Saturday November 21, 2009 Harvest Community Church, 44th and Teller, Wheat Ridge Colorado – 2:00 4:00 THANKSGIVING GATHERING TURKEY ALL YOU CAN EAT

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]]> By: Chaplain Mary Murphy http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31352 Chaplain Mary Murphy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:34:45 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31352 Saturday November 21, 2009 Harvest Community Church, 44th and Teller, Wheat Ridge Colorado - 2:00 4:00 THANKSGIVING GATHERING TURKEY ALL YOU CAN EAT WE WILL DISCUSS our www.veteranschamberofcommerce.org; solar energy training for Wounded Warriors Incarcerated. Please join us The War Widows Veteransjustice@aol.com Saturday November 21, 2009 Harvest Community Church, 44th and Teller, Wheat Ridge Colorado – 2:00 4:00 THANKSGIVING GATHERING TURKEY ALL YOU CAN EAT

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]]> By: Jim Starowicz http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31349 Jim Starowicz Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:15:13 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31349 David, not to be a smartalect, but you're typing that and posting while at your computer, like All others, me included, and information is Easily Found, though sites can be abit confusing. Anything to do with the Government can be readily found Especially when many follow 'rumors', not to mention that's why you hire representatives, now that may be even more confusing if your reps Spin Everything and are either parroting the rumor or starting it!! But Government Information Is Found On Government Sites Pertaining To, in this case Congressional Records and Bills!! Reason most don't follow a fox/rush/beck meme. Reality is a click away. David, not to be a smartalect, but you’re typing that and posting while at your computer, like All others, me included, and information is Easily Found, though sites can be abit confusing. Anything to do with the Government can be readily found Especially when many follow ‘rumors’, not to mention that’s why you hire representatives, now that may be even more confusing if your reps Spin Everything and are either parroting the rumor or starting it!!

But Government Information Is Found On Government Sites Pertaining To, in this case Congressional Records and Bills!! Reason most don’t follow a fox/rush/beck meme. Reality is a click away.

]]> By: David Sorenson http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/14/daily-mythbuster-health-insurance-reform-and-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-31303 David Sorenson Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:25:16 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9390#comment-31303 I was wondering if the rumor that our tricare premiums will go up with this new health care bill is true. If so what will that involve? I was wondering if the rumor that our tricare premiums will go up with this new health care bill is true. If so what will that involve?

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