GENERAL MCCHRYSTAL, WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?
November 26, 2009 by Gordon Duff · 59 Comments
ILL INFORMED, ILL ADVISED AND ILL PREPARED
MCCHRYSTAL SENDS OTHERS OFF TO WAR
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
You could ask, how do you get to be a General if you haven’t had one second of combat in an entire career spanning decades? Was being born the son of a General a help? Did kissing up to Dick Cheney help? Did a lifetime of telling people what they wanted to hear, no matter how stupid or what the cost, help? Do we want to turn the lives of our children over to this man, someone who is 90% politician and 10% soldier?
Where does McChrystal get his information? Does he get it from Karzai, defacto president of ten square miles of Afghanistan? Who is McChrystal planning on defeating?
With dozens of tribes fighting each other and a dozen or more different groups calling themselves the "Taliban," many totally unaware of each other, I hope he is aware that the only uniting factor in all of this is a desire to throw America out, not in support of any cause America is fighting against, but because we are so utterly stupid that we have allied ourselves with idiots that absolutely everyone hates.
These are the facts, the real facts, not the "lets see if we can keep this war going forever" facts"
- The more troops we send in, the more enemies join the war against us
- Our enemies are fighting us for no other reason than the fact we are stupid enough to be there
- We are fighting dozens of different groups, some are bad, some are good and most are only fighting because they think the US is invading their country
- Our strategy, to get villagers to trust us and fight with us is so utterly stupid that it isn’t worth talking about. These people look at us like we are nuts.
- For folks that talk about "conservative values" we are trying awfully hard to force a Socialist dictatorship on the freedom loving people of Afghanistan at gunpoint
- If anyone has noticed, our enemy doesn’t seem to have any leaders.
We have nobody we can kill, no big "evil doer" that makes a lick of difference. Perhaps if we kill everybody, then the "enemy" won’t be able to get new leaders. Is this our plan? - Have we considered, for all intents and purposes, that WE might actually be the enemy and might best consider attacking ourselves?
- Were we to do that, using the tactics used against us, we would find ourselves easy to defeat. No surprise for anyone there.
- If you have wondered why the terms Taliban and Al Qaeda don’t seem to be taken very seriously by anyone "in the know" about this war, could it be that this isn’t really who we are fighting at all? Could it be that we are against THE PEOPLE?
We could spent hours, pages, days discussing history, demarcation lines or a political system that is nothing like either our military or our news media says it is. Does anyone suspect our news is written by advertising people working for companies that make bullets or maybe coffins?
What we are hiding from ourselves is that the initial invasion of Afghanistan put a bizarre and corrupt government in power that aligned millions of people against us. This fact was hidden from us until we got into so much trouble we couldn’t hide it anymore.
Our military geniuses, the ones who lied to us for so many years, are now asking for a surge so they can disengage. Does this mean they want to put up a bit of a show, kill off a few people and run like hell for the door screaming "I win, I win?"
Right now, it looks like Obama is going to go along with this. Bush already screwed things up so badly that nothing can be done. When in doubt, blow up some buildings and lie like hell, then run home to mama.
The British did it. The Russians did it. Now we can do it. 
Veterans Today Senior Editor Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and regular contributor on political and social issues.
Bottom line. If this man has no combat experience, he must not make combat decisions.
His entire career is STINK. His personal accomplishments?
None so far.
None expected.
g
No combat experience?….where are you getting your information on his bio?
Seems like about all we are doing there is showcasing our latest weapons of war. Like how many of them we can kill without risking any American lives. I guess that is good for our soldiers, but we are certainly not going to win any popularity contests. I think we are morphing into the biggest bullies on the planet. Win, lose or draw, the US needs to have a definite plan to get out of there. I am one who agrees that these wars are unwinable. Did we learn anything from Vietnam??
We learned to lie about vietnam and apply those lies to losses everywhere.
Pentagon Learning 101
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http://www.rense.com/general88/shad.htm
“At a covert forward operating base run by the US Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in the Pakistani port city of Karachi, members of an elite division of Blackwater are at the center of a secret program in which they plan targeted assassinations of suspected Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives, “snatch and grabs” of high-value targets and other sensitive action inside and outside Pakistan, an investigation by The Nation has found. The Blackwater operatives also assist in gathering intelligence and help direct a secret US military drone bombing campaign that runs parallel to the well-documented CIA predator strikes, according to a well-placed source within the US military intelligence apparatus.
From 2003 to 2008 McChrystal headed JSOC, which is headquartered at Pope Air Force Base and Fort Bragg in North Carolina, where Blackwater’s 7,000-acre operating base is also situated. JSOC controls the Army’s Delta Force
http://www.alternet.org/world/144153/blackwater’s_secret_war_in_pakistan_revealed?page=5
http://afpakwar.com/blog/tag/mcchrystal/
Sorcha can come out with some pretty shaky stories sometimes but anyone heard anything about this.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1302.htm
And to Obama’s “last ditch gambit”, these reports continue, he is to announce in a nationwide address to his people this coming week that he is going to expand the level of US Military Forces in Afghanistan by tens of thousands of troops, while at the same time using the deployment of these soldiers as a “cover” for returning to the United States over 200,000 additional American soldiers from the over 800 bases in over 39 countries they have stationed around the Globe bringing the level of these forces in America to over 1 million, a number the US Military believes will be able to contain the “explosion of violence” expected to roil these peoples when they learn their economy has been bankrupted.
it doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
elite…blackwater
i love it
g
your last, extended, sentence could very well be spot on. and ignored. that would be very wrong. afghanistan is a diversionary tactic to occupy the press/media/populace while our entire financial structure collapses around our ears. if/when that happens, chaos is sure to follow. trying to get divisions of troops home at that point ain’t going to work. another point of view is that if we were to just say “fuck it” and bring our guys home, what are we going to do with them? they can’t very well bring them all home and dump them on the streets. political suicide, there, as the unemployment rate would then be completely out of hand and current “policies” would have to be examined a lot closer. ain’t gonna happen. instead, our “no real command time” general in charge will morph into westmoreland, and he’ll need another 60k by the end of next summer, possibly 100k additional by the end of next year. i think i’m beginning to understand one reason the viet nam “conflict” doesn’t get any “ink” in our education system, is that they replay the same thing over and over, and it’s always new because nobody has heard of it.
barrie
perhaps we can mount an m2 to the back of your el camino
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Here’s a novel idea: Bring the troops home to protect our own borders!
We have millions of illegals, spies and thugs infiltrating our country all the time. Our social safety net is being bankrupted by illegals. Our own people are losing jobs. Drug trafficing is rampant. Our military could easily protect our borders from parasites and violent gangs if the administration would allow it. But the New World Order elites prefer to keep our borders unsafe for legitimate Americans.
I Love your passion for your country but, know this : McChystal and obama and bush and cheney are not americans. They are only taking orders from higher ups who want to control the Planet, who would like
to keep the human population as a warring slave race. But because of people like you this will not happen. We must look to history to see who best embodied this way of thinking and in recent times it has been
M.K. Gandhi. His technique was the best there is, non-cooperation. This
is simply letting go of the mindless consumer lifestyle. Simplify and
get together with friends and neighbours and work together to help each other out. Non-violent opposition to all conflicts will lead us all to
the most satisfying of lifestyles. America is not the best place in the world to live… anywhere we happen to find ourselves is. Be content where you are and take care of that place and each other.
Don’t get mad at the government , just go around it . (-:
we know who is giving the orders
Jeff Gates deals with that, I stomp the dumb shit underlings.
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Apparently they are trying to come up with the gold to pay China and nobody will sell them real gold for our collapsing dollar. It says here they have been issuing gold plated tungsten for about ten years.
http://www.rense.com/general88/politt.htm
One of the best explanations of the Vietnam fiasco is here.
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2008/12/soldiers-revolt.html
The end game?
There is no end game.
The purpose is to stay indefinitely, consume weaponry, grab oil and keep the fields producing.
Simple.
This needs to be acknowledged and factored in the discussions.
Steve
I love the part of McChrystals report where he says the Taliban, the group who eliminated the drug business in Afghanistan, is getting most of their money from them.
Nobody told McChrystal that the people he meets with every day are running the drug business and that the Taliban is living off payments from McChrystal himself.
He is paying the Taliban to allow our supplies to move freely.
This is, in fact, most of the money they get.
The Taliban taxes some of the opium harvest as they tax everything else.
They have to tax.
They run 80% of the country entirely and most of the rest of it.
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Here we go with Mr. Arm chair Quater Back, thinking he knows it all, even beinging up Vietnam again..cshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. give it a break, what about Clinton in Somial (sp), Didn’t YOU learn anything there? I guess not…
You know, I’m also a Combat Vietnam vet, and I can say this loud and clear, I’m now coward like you are, I would go back to Vietnam and fight again if call upon or anywhere else (activeative for the Gulf War also).
See thats the difference between you and I , One your a coward, Me I’m not, and I will go and fight where MY COUNTRY (not yours, not for cowards) ask me to go right or wrong. Its MY COUNTRY and I BELIEVE in it and will fight for it and defend it again not like the coward, who now turns to pen and ink to whine.
Dear Dennis:
You need to understand & realize that the demo & reps paradime has been shattered. Shake loose of it.
‘They’, our common threat, are way above these puppets.
Time to place focus where it is required.
Clinton? Only one of the order taking, executing gang.
Yes, Im sure you will impale yourself for your country.
But before such sacrifice, give some careful, rationale thought on to who’s spear you wish to impale upon.
No, you are not a coward. Neither is Duffster.
Regards, Steve
Dennis,
good to hear from you.
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If u don’t like it. Move to Canada. I’m so tired of hearing morons talk about how bad our leaders are. If it’s so bad here, then leave. I for one love this country. And even after 2 tours in Iraq love my country. I’m just tired of all the government haters.
Why are people who call themselves patriots usually simply people who dont like America and want others to leave?
I won’t even begin to compare resume’s with McChrystal. He comes up short in too many areas by too big a margin.
I know what I don’t know…and he simply makes things up.
I have actually fought wars, he hasn’t. I don’t get Americans killed for…arrogance and amusement.
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You, dear Patriot, represent our problem.
Nobody’s leaving; we have a job to do and that’s springclean Washington.
Don’t get to close, you might get wet..
S
And therein lies the problem. Your confusing Patriotism with blind, ignorant loyalty. You are not a Patriot and your sweeping insults speak for themselves.
Call security we have two of the dancing Israelis surrounded. I learned a few things Dennis and that is clowns like you have somewhere around a 50 word vocabulary.
http://www.rense.com/general88/politt.htm
Political Lies Are No Substitute For Sanity
By Karl Schwarz
11-26-9
According to Barky Obama the US needs to send another 34,000 US soldiers to Afghanistan, because the US and UK are losing that war, too. Never mind that the commanding general suggested 40,000 to 45,000 troops, but my hunch is neither Barky nor General McChrystal have a clue as to how to fight the Afghans and win. Never mind that the UK has withdrawn from Iraq and Prime Minister Gordon Brown will have to withdraw from Afghanistan due to the public outcry in the UK at the audacity of George Bush – Tony Blair lies that started this fiasco.
Now even former President of Russia Mikhail Gorbachev has been trying to subtly suggest to our arrogant ig’noble’ numbskull of an Impostor President that he is wading America into a bloodbath. He was the leader of Russia when they got their balls and heads handed to them in Afghanistan.
Now Barky is suggesting that NATO has to send more of their sons and daughters to fight a war in vain that should have never been started by George Bush and Tony Blair. It will come out eventually, even Afghanistan was based on total lies from the US and UK leadership.
It is all about oil, natural gas and pipelines, and who gets to line their pockets at the expense of our soldiers.
There was no “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq and it should be apparent to all that the Afghans were no more impressed with Bush-Rumsfeld Shock & Awe than they were the Russians or any other trespasser they have sent home dead or maimed throughout the centuries.
There is a reason that defeat is certain and it comes in two parts. First, no empire has ever conquered the Afghan people. Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, the British Empire, the Russians and now the US and UK (round four for the bloody-good-show idiot Brits) are learning the lesson the hard way. The Persian Empire did not even try to spread east because they already knew not to tangle with the Afghans. The Persians and Genghis Khan cut defense pacts with the Afghans rather than engage in a pissing match to see how many could die on both sides.
Secondly, not a single person in the US, UK, NATO command will even mention why we are really in Afghanistan any way. You know, that BRIDAS TAP PIPELINE they absolutely need from Ashgabat Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and then through Pakistan to the ocean. Nor are they talking about all of the oil and natural gas under Afghanistan and the Baluchistan province of Pakistan and borders on the east side of Iran.
Now that most of the Caspian Basin oil and gas is lost over the past 8 years as the world moved on, now they are desperate to hang on to what remains in Afghanistan and Baluchistan.
Why is Pakistan no longer our good-GWOT-buddy? Simply put, because they no longer support the US and UK aims for that TAP pipeline. It was a pipeline-too-far the day the US Secret Government did 9-11 so they could justify an attack on a nation that did not attack the US or UK. Pakistan has signed an agreement to do the IPI Pipeline, from Iran, through Pakistan and on to India.
Folks, this insanity has been going on since long before 9-11-2001. All during the Clinton Administration they did all that was possible at the time to upend both ends of the Bridas Corporation TAP [Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline] by making sure Bridas Corporation could not complete the deal the US and UK coveted. They being the greedy power-drunk whores in London, DC and Wall Street that seem to think all resources of this world should belong to them, if they covet them.
As they have been launching illegal wars based on lies, lying to cover their tracks, Russia, China and India have completely buried the US – UK game plan in the Caspian Basin. It is sort of like a football game, the US trails by 45-0 and there is 45 seconds left in the game. Time to move on and let the US and UK leadership cry in their beer.
Just recently the UK Ministry of Defense hammered a captain in their military for daring to tell the truth, without MOD permission.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Afghanistan-British-Captain-Remo ved-After-Slamming-Afghan-War-In-Article-In-Independent/Article/ 200908215361 300
In another story it has come out that the MOD did such a pathetic job prior to “Iraqi Freedom” that some of the soldiers had ten bullets or less to defend their life or launch an attack. Such happens when liars are trying to cover their butts and launch a war based on nothing but premeditated lies.
In the US more and more soldiers are refusing to deploy either as conscientious objectors or because the matter is all based on illegal war, illegal orders.
There is a reason and it has nothing to do with antiwar, or protests, or those who do not believe in the US aims. No war can be won on a lie. It is an ‘unjust war’, the attacker, perpetrators, aggressors and transgressors have been the US and UK and they lost and will continue to lose. They lied, they lose.
That is because out of their greed and lust for control they have forgotten what a ‘just war’ is. Media spin, falsification of intelligence and outright lies do not create a Just War.
The US has not engaged in such a war in my entire lifetime of 58 years and I have come to the conclusion they never will. Desperate empires do desperate things, and the US and UK are headed downhill in a free fall.
The Zbigniew Brzezinski ‘Grand Chessboard’ is in checkmate and the US and UK lost.
One can even go back further to the Russia – Afghanistan War from 1980-1988. Russia was trying to get the same pipeline done that Bush thought he could steal with lies and Shock & Awe. All of that oil and natural gas is just as landlocked today as when Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan were still part of the USSR.
Stupid is as stupid does, and folks, Washington, DC and London are eaten up with the dumbass when it comes to Afghanistan. The US was not even thinking straight when it gave the green light for Georgia to attack South Ossetia to widen that pipeline right-of-way and it is now permanently narrower. But I digress, we had an idiot named George W Bush in the Oval Office that has not thought straight even one day of his pathetic life.
There is some blood that will not wash off and at this time in history the US, UK and Israel are truly the True Axis of Evil and the biggest threats to world peace. What is even more disconcerting is when they demonstrate how truly stupid they are and will not admit to their lies.
Change Barky? He is just as stupid and arrogant as Bush and Blair and proving it every day.
The only mission accomplished the US and UK can claim is they have both bankrupted their nations and many have been maimed and killed due to the Bush – Blair lies. Barky is proving my point that he has not had an original thought in his life. He just talks and talks, and adopted the Bush plan.
That is a sure sign that America elected yet another idiot.
You are absolutely right Mick in your analysis of the actual situation and the hidden facts and reasons for insisting in staying in Afghanistan under the (false) allegation of fighting an Al Qaeda that died with the demise of Osama Bin laden, who himself was a CIA agent, in charge of coordinating the insurgency against the Russians.
You and others participants in the debate are also right to point out that the mentioned figure heads of the US government are only ORDERS TAKERS and that they obey the bad guys, who have created, by manipulation & deceit, the needed conditions to get the USA involved in the Iraq and Afghanistan quagmires.
The prevailing strategy from the part that manages the US foreign policy, i.e. Israel and its US agents, represented by the AIPAC and dozens NGO’s and pressure groups, is destabilize the targeted countries, make money in doing so offering solutions for isolated events and, in the making, promote the interests (world control of the financial and monetary system and consolidation of Israel’s position in the Middle East and Asia) at the expenses of the US taxpayers, making the US and NATO countries that participate actively and openly in the ground operations as the target of hate and blame from the local population.
The Zion-Talmudists pull the trigger to start it all, they hide the smoking gun and let the MANIPULATED IDIOTS stand front put the corpses and pay the bills. That the way they their devious minds work, and then behind the curtains, they rub their hands and laugh about how easy it has been to con the stupid GOYIM, like the dancing clowns on the bridge watching the Twin Towers burn.
The Zion-Talmudists pushed Bush Jr. to humiliate Musharaf then president of Pakistan. Parvez Musharaf was the only man capable of maintaining a relative state of law and order in Pakistan, had control of its armed forces too. They and their relatives from Britain manipulated the late Benazir Bhutto to go back to Pakistan, knowing that she will be killed (a False Flag operation as a result of INDUCED TERRORISM) and that the tragic event will be the start of Pakistan down slide into anarchy. Now, the Zion-Talmudists, through Blackwaters and active operative from MOSSAD imbedded in that mercenary organization, are seeking to take control of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal. The Zion-Talmudists were/are also behind the Bush-Cheney shift of alliance from Pakistan to India, the destabilization of Baluchistan and even working for the separation of that oil and gas rich province from Pakistan.
As you rightfully state Mick, the game is greed (pipeline for oil from the Caspian, Afghan gas). The guys who own the Federal Reserve and Wailing Wall Street, together with their associates in London, Brussels and Tel Aviv are the one who are sacrificing young American men and women and pushing the USA and NATO into wars from where this country will emerge as the big IDIOT LOSER, because treacherous politicians in Congress and Senate, has turned their back to the American people and the country that feeds them, work for a foreign power and its interests. That is what’s bankrupting AMERICA and collapsing its economy and productive apparatus.
Remember Ike he had never served in combat but became the Supreme commander in Europe during WW2. He was a politican, period.
He added under God in everything while there are those who insist that this was part of the Constitution. Ignorance is our worst enemy.
Ikr turned the country over to Allen and John Foster Dulles. This pair worked for Hitler in the 30s but ran the CIA and State Department.
Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft and Gonzales are from the same mold and had the same success.
When Ike left office, the auto plants were closed, american kids were starving, russia was in space and moving forward around the world while 40% of Americans lived in total poverty….mostly in RED STATES.
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A popular notion is that the eternal war machine is operating as a way to commandeer resources such as oil and natural gas. The story continues that without these basic natural resources our economy would collapse.
Choose not to be fooled and Don’t believe it!
The real target of the central bankers who own and operate the war crimes cartel is the people of this nation and the world.
The technology of free energy has been covered up and the same group in the central banks have intentionally blocked the development of free energy. “Why?”Because when free energy is finally developed it will remove their pretext for war.
Over 100 years ago it was understood that free energy is real, it is not a make believe technology, it is available.
Here’s a book that you can read for free and then decide for yourself.
Title: “Free Energy Here and Now and Then.”
http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_67/7983000/7983141/1/print/7983141.pdf
Gordon; I didn’t know about McKristols resume. Please inform us about Petreaus and any other high level low competantce, political career whore. I don’t always agree with your point of view, but your reseach, facts, and ststs, are true. NO ONE SHOULD REACH GENERAL RANK WITHOUT COMBAT EXPERIRNCE, THE MORE THE BETTER, PERIOD. If you have’t ever written a letter to a wife mother, grandparent about a man that gave all that was under your command, then you don’t deserve to send young men and woman in harms way.
McChrystal’s report is here…: http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Assessment_Redacted_092109.pdf [media.washingtonpost.com]
Its almost like a bad rerun of Westmorelands big win in Vietnam. I am not sure if he wrote any of it. It is a pile of wrong assuptions based on bad intel. 66 pages long…redacted for military specifics….it includes everything but the truth and anything workable.
He simply doesn’t understand Afghanistan. It even had dozens, if not hundreds, of simple mistakes in history and culture.
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“Hire Vets” sounds good. Interviews probably count only to have the vet(s) disqualified. Sorry, the job was created for someone else. When are the people going to shout from every street corner “Bring back the jobs.” If we don’t feed the war machine, think of how many men and women are going to without a paycheck? Politics – war by other means. Politics fails or is ignored; war creates jobs. Bring on the wars! We are not doing even a token job of taking care of our veterans. Life cycle support costs of a war are not known until the last person who served on active duty during that period is standing tall at Eternal Muster!
Lessons Learned? HA!
check out the video posted today on why the war has collapsed our economy and we have no jobs.
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his father took care of him, like Bush father took care his son, i tell everyone it going to be longer then Nam, and you have a ass hole runing it, can he see we are going no were, he made Gen, by being takeing care of and lets face it he kiss a lot of ass no one should make Gen, or command troops for combat you should come up from a 2lt. and work your way up too Gen, and cammand troops in combat i am 100% NAM Vet, and saw 2lt learn how to command in combat and work there way up too Gen,
I think a litmus for military officers and non-coms is simple:
If it doesn’t bother you that Bush dodged the draft and OBVIOUSLY ran out on his National Guard unit, perhaps you may not be fit to command troops.
Wasn’t he (McChrystal) also involved with the Tillman cover up tells me he is just another opportunist that has brown nosed and back stabbed his way to the top. ————- Turds ALWAYS rise to the top of the septic Tank.————-
He was also cheney’s "boy" at the JSOC
a group suspected of domestic election work….for the GOP….while on the Army payroll.
Imagine a military command that worked entirely outside any legal chain of command
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Good MOrning Duff,
Could have saved you a lot if words. General McChrystal is President Obama’s General George B. McClellan, what president Obama need is a general Grant. Like President Lincoln President Obama is stuck with a stable of careerist Generals/Admirals who’s only concern are their careers, soldiers of the month medals, and a seven or eight figure post career with one of the Republican neo-con Pyrate think tanks, experts on FOX, or with corrupt defense contractors who pay them to whore themselves to their former subordinates.
Of course President Obama is looking ahead to 2012, the birthers, wingers would love to run a failure like McCrystal, his virtues are he’s white and not real bright.
You are right McCrystal is in way over his head, and filling more body bags is not going to make him any better. President Obama should as for the DoD the 201’s of some Majors and Lt. Colonels who have proven themselves in war and stick some stars on their epaulets and give him/her the order simply to get it done the let him/her go about the business of fighting and winning in Afghhanistan.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
Byron,
I have spent the last week in conference calls with scholars, military experts (some actually our own) and others…
The more I learn about the conflict, the more I think we need to run, not walk, out of the country as soon as possible.
Starting with what we know: WE ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE
Karzai is a total joke. Everyone hates him.
The rest of it….simply…somewhere between political correctness, sucking up to Israel and India and a desire to keep a war going forever no matter what it does to our country.
McChrystal has nothing right.
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Good Evening Duff,
There is nothing basically on what you said that any rational and reasonable person can disagree with. But I’m not sure if that an option any longer.
The 6 years or so of the idiots Bush and the neglect of the war in Afghanistan has created new set and subsets of conflicting problems and have at least for now closed off some exit options that may have been to the United States favor.
We had Mulla Omar captured and we let him go, most likely on the authority of the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. It is very unlikely that either Cheney or Runsfeld has the balls to do it. Of course Condoleezza Rices reward was the job of Sec. of State.
Omar was allowed to slip across the border into Iran and rebuild a new Taliban using Iranian oil money for $142.00 a barrel oil, thanks to the friend of Cheney/Bush who speculated up the price. The new Tailban is far more potent then the old organization, it has international financial networks, that are supported by banks to large to fail who took Paulson/Bush bail out funds by the $ trillions and an excellent intelligence operation in Afghanistan and is not relaying on bin Laden and al Qaeda for funds or recruits.
The current Taliban has a freedom of movement with in Afghanistan that the previous organization never enjoyed. They enjoy goode income from the drug traffic that the Bush administration wouldn’t allow US Marines to interdict. As was the case with the NVA in Vietnam they determine the time and place of engagements, the Americans can only react and their intelligence network provides them with the critical information they need to determine when to strike. Like in Vietnam the American Soldier/marine is simply bait and whenever the Taliban want to drop a line in the water Americans will die.
We have created a Taliban that is for to dangerous to just ignore and leave in place. Afghanistan is in a strategic location to serve as an incubator for future Terrorists organizations post al Qaeda. If we can’t eradicate this monster now we will be back, I guess one could say we are coming back for a second time with The Afghan War II.
What can one say about McCrystal. Mc Crystal is the protege of Conservative think tanks who find young officers mentor them and then use their influence with the conservative Republicans in both the White House and Congress to advance their careers.
In return the officers are expected to support the policy of these radical conservative groups and of course the contract needs of the Boeing’s, Lockheed’s etc. who fill these think tank coffers with cash. In return when these officers retire they expect, and get a payout of 7-8 figure salaries on boards and as lobbyists to their former subordinates. According to the NYT last weekend their are 158 retired military officers taking this blood money.
It’s interesting that we can’t get this number from the DoD because if a Clinton/Cohen, who now has his own paid generals in the Cohen group a rats a** conservative think tank, era ,1996, that specifically prohibits the DoD from tracking the retirement activities of former officers.
The down side of this is of course when officers like McCrystal find themselves in command of real troops, in a real war, with real bullets they are lost and the Peter Principle takes effect. This of course is the legacy of the 1980’s and the Reagan insanity of selling government to the lowest bidder, which most of were his friends.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
McChrystal has also been criticized for his role in the coverup in the death of Pat Tillman concerning the friendly fire incident.
Daniel Ellsberg, the former military analyst who released the Pentagon papers, has posted that McCrystal ‘drones’ and ‘death squads’ in Afghanistan have simply contributed to the growth of an ultimately unassailable anti-US resistance, and that even “hundreds of thousands’ of troops will not change that fact, as in the Vietnam War. I have two Iraqi vets in my class and one Afghan vet and some of the things they bring up are not necessarily pro McChrystal and that the Taliban are getting new and better weapons all the time.
I looked up some info on him and he did receive the Bronze Star, Legion of Merit. Where did he receive the Bronze Star? He must have been close to some action someplace?
Until there is a major policy shift in how we promote our generals, which means they must have a least ONE complete tour of duty leading ground troops in a combat zone, the cannot rise any further than Colonel, we will continue to see leaders who sole function is PROMOTION and not protected the best interests of our nation and its troops. Denial and disconnect are two of my favorite adjectives for these officers who play the OER and transfer game to gain at least one star before retirement.
The further up the chain of command you go, the less grounded in reality they become.
What makes Gral. McChrystal unfit to make war decisions, like commitment of more troops in a war theater, is the fact that he is old enough to have been in Vietnam, but somehow he managed to avoid it… He stayed behind away from possible harm and became what he is: a politician… Next, when he will retire, he will be an assessor-counselor or executive for a defense contractor, thus if there is no war, the possibility of selling war equipments is less likely, then he has to work on extending the existing wars as a career necessity… Well, that is the path the 90% politicians 10% soldiers usually follow: Stay in the office, groom the politicians, kiss whatever they ask to be kissed and ascend, caressing memos, moving folders from one office to the other and appearing in newspapers and TV channels… as the expert in defense and security matters, a true patriot, defending the motherland.
If even half of the things you guys say are true are true (and I think at least half of them are), we’re in BIG trouble. What do you suggest WE do? We don’t have any control over what Obama does.
Doc,
We were easy on McChrystal. The only support he has for any of his assertions is that he asserts them.
There has never been a document in our history so few people have taken seriously…as his report.
Most Americans believed the Warren Report for awhile at least.
g
“Close your eyes and dramatize”, may keep you from seeing the truth of the situation. How and by whom are you being deceived? By what are you measuring the truth from? Think, our world live on paper truths and the action of the things that we have done, not in what are in the dreams that are going to be. This is war this is not popular mechanic in a paper notebook. We as soldiers, know what is a stake? LIVES?? FAMILY??
You also, need to remember that war is fought in congress and so is the money that they request for the war. So each an everytime you make a statement please follow though with the facts so that I can somewhat sleep at night, we need to remember that, if by any chance you have forgotten those are and will always be the rules. So stop fighting among us the (soldiers). We as soldiers always need to remember keep an eye on our loved ones and our property. Because, no one does it better than us. For that is why we fight. I would think that America would be tired of giving our hard earned money away to other people while we suffer and keep giving it away to others. I want my money here to build my America it would be better served here where the banker can give us higher interest rates and throw our jobs an give it to another country. After all if they kill us at another war how can we stop them from taking our money from us here? Bring our money home to America so that it can work for us instead of working for someone else. I would love to have my house payments and all my bills paid up by the government under the guides of war and mistreatment by the enemy. How can we as America continue to fight everyone? When other countries refuse to do it themselves they have been fighting for thousands of years? We are American a melting pot of different countries but, we made ours bones with our family members fighting with ourselves and inside our own country to boot.
Together apart an then together again with other wars. An in doing so we are suppose to be the youngest country.
We are treated like unwelcome guests that have come to take what they have when we would have more pleasure in our own things that have not even come out of the boxes. I do not want what they have, I have my own problems I do not need to share their also. I have my own food I am not there to take theirs. I was asked to come though their door, not with my hands asking for their food. When we were invited to assist in the problems that they were having? We as American have plenty of our own .problems. I did not want to be their in the first place? We won the battles here in America. I see no reason to be there myself but, I am answerable to my President. My cause will just have to wait. That they did not want to fight, in our country, what I can say… We are the youngest and they are suppose to be able to care for themselves since they are oldest countries, they are their own mercerizes of their own country that they do not have the will to live, they have turn to America because, they do not wish to fight they want the money up front first and then they will save their country. They have already received the money now they want us to leave. But, before we go can I have some of my free money that the countries receive that they can not find. I would love my money back on that poor investment.
That is how Viet Nam did it, after they has America come in, they in turn decided we would pay the blood money to get our people out then an only then was America able to leave with some of our love ones, I have lost my father in Viet Nam, and other family members that stayed in that country may they rest in peace an some family that did not come back the same, in any case we fight the battles we can win and hopefully we come home. I do not wish my grandson to fight their war when he comes to the age of 18 years old, and he is only 2 years. Each family has given enough of their family members and the hurt sometimes just does not go away. When will the hurt go awayor will it?
Nothing new about the public being lied to. It’s been going on since 1776.
Many people believe and say that actually had Tillman killed because he was saying outright he was going home and protest an illegal war. I wouldn’t doubt it. It wouldn’t look good for a man you had made your poster boy to suddenly turn on you.
Many of the generals have been purged, for the likes of Petraus and others who are Georgetown educated. If you don’t know what that means it means they are told early on you play ball with the elite and your promotions will be quite generous.
Duffster is quite right about Eisenhour and here is some background you should know.
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
Eisenhower’s Holocaust – His
Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans
Author Unknown
6-22-8
“God, I hate the Germans…” (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944)
First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies, your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice.
It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year, with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now, it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world.
You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany. You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists.
No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks, and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can’t do this to us! There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with no shelter from the cold, biting rain.
Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water, sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before.
Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General Dwight David Eisenhower.
One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific in the language of those orders was this statement,
“Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts.”
Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.
Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many prisoners of war as possible.
Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as “Disarmed Enemy Forces” called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.
Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower’s special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton’s untimely and curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.
The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on September 12,1989 the following, in part:
“…it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater.”
“For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW’s on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply … Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald.”
It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, were denied. General Patton’s Third Army was the only command in the European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans.
Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z, tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war’s end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on May 15th.
Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top? Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the 107th Anniversary of Eisenhower’s birth in Denison, Texas on October 14, 1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of “this American patriot.” Senator Robert Dole, in honor of the Commander of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington’s Dulles Airport be renamed the Eisenhower Airport!
The UNITED STATES MINT in Philadelphia, PA is actually issuing a special Eisenhower Centennial Silver Dollar for only $25 each. They will only mint 4 million of these collector’s items, and veteran’s magazines are promoting these coins under the slogan, “Remember the Man…Remember the Times…” Pardon me if I regurgitate!
There will be some veterans who will not be buying these coins. Two will be Col. James Mason and Col. Charles Beasley who were in the U.S. Army Medical Corps who published a paper on the Eisenhower Death Camps in 1950. They stated in part:
“Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep in mud … water was a major problem, yet only 200 yards away the River Rhine was running bank-full.”
Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945, Brech was an 18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12, 1990:
“My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF’S) were met with hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our deliberate policy not to adequately feed them.”
“When they caught me throwing C- Rations over the fence, they threatened me with imprisonment. One Captain told me that he would shoot me if he saw me again tossing food to the Germans … Some of the men were really only boys 13 years of age…Some of the prisoners were old men drafted by Hitler in his last ditch stand … I understand that average weight of the prisoners at Andernach was 90 pounds…I have received threats … Nevertheless, this…has liberated me, for I may now be heard when I relate the horrible atrocity I witnessed as a prison guard for one of ‘Ike’s death camps’ along the Rhine.” (Betty Lou Smith Hanson)
Note: Remember the photo of Ike’s West Point yearbook picture when he was dubbed “IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW”? By the way, he was next, or nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in 1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now.
Note: During Cadet Eisenhower’s time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet’s blood to insure White racial integrity.
Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower’s racial lineage and this was brought to Eisenhower’s attention by the headmaster. When asked if he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster then reportedly said, “That’s where you get your Oriental blood?” Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the academy. Note – The issue of Eisenhower’s little-known Jewish background in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of German men, women and children.
Later, in Eisenhower’s West Point Military Academy graduating class yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a “terrible Swedish Jew.”
Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower’s Jewish background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his fellow officers. During World War II when Col. Eisenhower was working for Gen. Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific, MacArthur protested to his superiors in Washington (DC) that Eisenhower was incompetent and that he did not want Eisenhower on his staff.
In 1943, Washington not only transferred Col. Eisenhower to Europe but promoted him over more than 30 more experienced senior officers to five star general and placed him in charge of all the US forces in Europe.
Thus it comes as no surprise that General George Patton, a real Aryan warrior, hated Eisenhower.
[Ed: Patton was keen to fight the Soviets, and reportedly kept some German units ready to move against the Soviets...unsurprisingly he was killed; after the war, in a 'car crash,' just like Lawrence of Arabia was conveniently bumped off, in a similar manner, for his 'pro-fascist' views].
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From George
12-28-3
Finally, the truth about Ike. He was a zionist!, a racist! and a slaughterer of innocents! He was always these things. And all anyone remembers is his famous quote “to beware of the military/industrial complex.” Like this knowledge means he was a great precient prophet, when he was really a part of the NWO and helped set the US up for all that followed. The tooling jobs and industry started to leave the US in the early ’50’s, when Ike got into power. It was Japan they were building. Notice the difference between the destruction of Japan and the quick buildup of the Philipines and Japan and the Pacific the US took over, after the war of hegemony to steal the wealth of the Pacific Rim and present day Afghanistan, Iraq etc., now that the zionists rule the ‘world’. The zionist essence is evil, destructive and self-destructive. Ike was a tool of the zionist evil essence.
German POW’s Diary Reveals More Of Ike’s Holocaust
12-29-3
Note – The following diary extract has been provided by the nephew of the author under the conditions we honor his request for anonymity. -ed
A transcript of my Uncle’s words…from my Mother’s diary:
“Suddenly an American Jeep moved towards us and several American Soldiers surrounded us. There was no officer in charge, and the first thing the ‘Amis’ did – they liberated us, I mean, from our few valuables, mainly rings and watches…….. We were now prisoners of war- no doubt about it!
The first night we were herded into a barn, where we met about 100 men who shared the same fate. To make my story short, we were finally transported to Fuerstenfeldbruck near Munich. Here we, who were gathered around Hermann, interrupted him and gasped in dismay.
Fuerstenfeldbruck had become known to us as one of the most cruel POW camps in the American zone.
Then my brother continued:
Again we were searched and had to surrender everything, even our field utensils, except a spoon. Here, in freezing temperature, 20,000 of us were squeezed together on the naked ground, without blanket or cover, exposed day and night to the winter weather.
For six days we received neither food nor water! We used our spoons to catch drops of rain.
We were surrounded by heavy tanks. During the night bright searchlights blinded us, so that sleep was impossible. We napped from time to time, standing up and leaning against each other. It was keeping us warmer that sitting on the frozen ground.
Many of us were near collapse. One of our comrades went mad, he jumped around wildly, wailing and whimpering. he was shot at once. His body was lying on the ground, and we were not allowed to come near him. He was not he only one. Each suspicious movement caused the guards to shoot into the crowd, and a few were always hit.
German civilians, mainly women of the surrounding villages, tried to approach the camp to bring food and water for us prisoners. they were chased away.
Our German officers could finally succeed to submit an official protest, particularly because of the deprivation of water. As a response, a fire hose was thrown into the midst of the densely crowded prisoners and then turned on. Because of the high water pressure the hose moved violently to and fro. Prisoners tumbled, fell, got up and ran again to catch a bit of water. In that confusion the water went to waste, and the ground under us turned into slippery mud. All the while the ‘Amis’ watched that spectacle, finding it very funny and most entertaining. They laughed at our predicament as hard as they could. Then suddenly, they turned the water off again.
We had not expected that the Americans would behave in such a manner. We could hardly believe it. War brutalizes human beings.
One day later we were organized into groups of 400 men …. We were to receive two cans of food for each man. This is how it was to be done: The prisoners had to run through he slippery mud, and each one had to grab his two cans quickly, at the moment he passed the guards. One of my comrades slipped and could not run fast enough, He was shot at once ….
On May 10th , several truckloads of us were transported the the garrison of Ulm by the Danube….. As each man jumped into the truck, a guard kicked him in the backbone with his rifle butt.
We arrived in the city of Heilbronn by the Neckar, In the end we counted 240,000 men, who lived on the naked ground and without cover.
Spring and summer were mild this year, but we were starving. At 6;00 am we received coffee, at noon about a pint of soup and 100 grams of bread a day……..
The ‘Amis’ gave us newspapers in German language, describing the terrors of the concentration camps. We did not believe any of it. We figured the Americans only wanted to demoralize us further.
The fields on which we lived belonged to the farmers of the area…soon nothing of the clover and other sprouting greens were left, and the trees were barren. We had eaten each blade of grass…..
In some camps there were Hungarian POW’s. 15,000 of them. Mutiny against their officers broke out twice amongst them. After the second mutiny the Americans decided to use German prisoners to govern the Hungarians. Since the Hungarians were used as workers they were well fed. There was more food than they could eat. But when the Germans asked the Americans for permission to bring the Hungarians’ leftovers into the camps of the starving Germans, it was denied. The Americans rather destroyed surplus food, than giving it to the Germans.
Sometimes it happened that groups of our own men were gathered and transported away. We presumed they were discharged to go home, and naturally, we wished to be among them. Much later we heard they were sent to labor camps! My mother’s cousin, feared that he would be drafted into the Hitler Youth SS, he volunteered to the marines, in 1945 his unit was in Denmark. On April 20th they were captured by the Americans. his experience in the POW camp was identical that of my brother’s. They lived in open fields, did not receive and food and water the first six days, and starved nearly to death. German wives and mothers who wanted to throw loaves of bread over the fence, were chased off. The prisoners, just to have something to chew, scraped the bark from young trees. my cousins job was to report each morning how many had died during the night. “and these were not just a few!” he adds to his report he wrote me.
It became known, that the conditions in the POW camps in the American Zone were identical everywhere. We could therefore safely conclude, that it was by intent and by orders from higher ups to starve the German POW’s and we blamed General Eisenhower for it. He, who was of German descent could not discern the evildoers during the Nazi time from our decent people. We held that neglect of knowledge and understanding severely against him.
I wish to quote the inscription on the grave stones of those of my German compatriots who have already passed away:
We had to pass through fire and through water. But now you have loosened our bonds.
Mick is right about Ike. the sad part is that we have cleaned this from our history books like we are now trying with the business plot and dozens of other scandals that are important today as they were then.
we are repeating the worst of our history.
I live in germany…have family there as do many of us. we are utterly clueless about hitler, the war and so many other things.
i am not a holocaust denial guy….it is easy to see…the jewish family that lived across the street is not a plaque denoting their “removal”
Don’t think we can expect more from a guy who was put in the position by the former vice-president, the guy who received 5 student deferments during the VietNam War because he “Had Better Things to Do”, and the former POTUS who seems to have made most of his dental and physical appointments but will not release much more of his military record.
Maybe Bush was born in Kenya or
perhaps he deserted during wartime.
I go for the desertion angle. Not a single shred of proof has been offered to prove different.
Patriot: It is not our system of government that I am against it is the idiiots in our government who only care about thier own polictical agendas. Can you tell me why retired military personnel, disabled veterans, and people didn’t get a cola increase this year, but federal politicans had no qualams about voting themselves a pay raise again. I for one am tired of the poor leadership in this country.
VT Received via email from THE DIE HARD,
Is the military-industrial complex controlling President Obama?
They don’t have to threaten or blackmail President Obama, though from watching a number of factors, including the stock market, and the difference in Obama’s appearances, I’m convinced that they’re doing both. It’s only the nutcases who are doing the threatening in public.
The regulatory agencies, and the politicians, and the money that owns them both, are still controlled by the long-term plans for world domination of the Bush "Family." Remember that the STATED AGENDA of the "family" that sold American weapons to Hitler remains nothing less than global dictatorship. Their sole goal in the middle-east is control of the oil fields.
Also, don’t forget the control of the Zionist / Dominionist expansionists. The money-laundering that goes on through Israel is terrifying.
But yes, President Obama does his legacy no favors when he listens to bushdick’s holdover generals and "business" partners.
[Passion aside there is more than meets the eye on the above analysis. President Obama does his legacy no favors when he listens to bushdick's holdover generals and Israeli "business" partners.VT. Ed]
THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY TO WIN AGAINST THE AFGHANIS.
The terrain is too vicious, and they have too much experience in fighting each other.
Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Leave food stores and rebuilding materials. Let the warlords go back to dividing up the spoils amongst themselves and fighting each other.
"Taliban" and "al Qaeda" were inventions of the bushdick regime.
They were just another minor sect of malcontents until Chicken George unified them against the USA, and gave them a recruiting tool no amount of advertising could match: the illiterate nose-picker gave them nothing left to lose.
It wasn’t "Taliban" or "al Qaeda" that hijacked a handful of planes.
It was a combined and coordinated conspiracy, in which the Bush family, the Likud, and the Saudis were most definitely involved in planning and aiding.
It wasn’t "terrorism" that caused the WTCs to collapse. It was shoddy construction, bad design, and the physically idiotic egotism of two unstable vibration-reflecting surfaces.
No doubt the plan was just the spectacle of the plane crashes themselves.
They had no way of knowing how badly those buildings were built and placed.
The video of the crashes was supposed to give the bushdick war machine an excuse to go into high gear, and to distract from the fact that people were already realizing that Chicken George belonged in prison, not in power.
It wasn’t intended to cause a "forever war." The unplanned greater disaster gave them their wildest dreams, and they were quick to seize the opportunity.
Before we start calling President Obama a coward — he clearly is anything but — or accusing him of betrayal, we should make it clear that the big money and bushdick holdovers are not the only ones with a stake in this issue.
If we write letters to the editor, local and national, if we call into talk shows, local and national, if we demonstrate that we have his back, and money doesn’t buy OUR votes — that may give him the solidarity of support to stand up against the "experts," and say, "Look, *I* didn’t get us into this mess. YOU did. *I* am trying to fix it.
YOU [Obama] keep talking about winning. Well, get over it. There is no ‘win.’ There is only ending the disaster YOU [Bush] caused, bringing our own people back to their families, and not making any more enemies in the rest of the world."
Anybody can criticize. We have to be the ones to offer solutions.
it’s time for you to move to a different country. you don’t deserve to be called an american
The caves in Afghanistan is the key to the Talaban and al Qaeda as the tunnels in Vietnam was the key for them to maintain a Safe Haven.
This is why we gave up the ground war in Vietnam and Nixon began bombing North Vietnam killing hundreds of thousands of civilians,mostly oldmen,oldwomen and children.
Many American and their allies will die if we do not find a way to smoke them out. In Vietnam te tunnels were made with water trapes and all kind of gismos to prevent us from getting to them. Smoke them out and we have them if not they stay dug in.
Why do all the crazy staffers at Veterans Today hate America so much?
Day after day, week after week, story after story about how much criticism they have for this country and never do we read a positive word aywhere, complaining pssing and moaning and more lunatic crazy opinions, not journalism at all, dribble is all, from the mouths of the adeled minds here at this rag.
This General has his orders, he has been tested and risen to the call, the rest of you who speak poor;y of him have never spent your time in the manner in which he has served, if like the president you do not respect the man then respect the rank, other wise keep yer fat yap shut because you have no solutions .
Are you a veteran? Is this that crazy lady involved in the theft of veterans land in California? Do note that we are decorated combat veterans and McChrystal is not. He needs to defer to people of more experience and education.
Those people are here.
Too bad you are not one of them.
Is this Caroline Barrie?
Gordon,
We, The United States , have not had a contingent of advisor , nor a commander in chief with the moral courage to wage war against the likes of North-Korea, North Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan since WWII when President Truman’s advising staff convinced him of a very important projection. The projection was this. If we invade the mainland of Japan, at least 100,000 American troops will die and many more will be maimed, MIA, ect. Twice that many Japanese men, women and children will die and suffer wounds and come up missing.
They went on to explain that it was not necessary to lose one American soldier ,in their opinion, if he would consider this new weapon called the Atom Bomb. It took some reminding the new president of the Bataan Death March, the number of mother’s and father,s that had lost sons, daddy’s,etc.. And as Paul Harvey use to say ” And now you know the rest of the story”.
What we do have is a bunch of impotent leaders in our military ranks that are instututionalized to the point that they can not think for their self’s and proficient at arranging their language so not to be accountable for anything that goes wrong. This is also true for most of the Senate, Congress,and our past Presidents with the exception of Reagan on Lybia and John Kennedy on the Bay Of Pigs (For which he took full responsibility) and The Cuban Missile Crisis ( for which he gave due credit to the U.S.S.R. for turning their ships around and held fast on our own military Joint Chief of Staff by letting them know the Terms of Engagement will be made by him and not the military in this crisis because the world is at stake.) I have read much about JFK’s actions during the Cuban Crisis and he often bypassed the chain of command and spoke directly to ship captains and observation pilots. Upset a few generals and admirals I suppose.
In both cases with Regan and JFK, they left no doubt ,in the minds of those in Lybia and the U.S.S.R.the ultimate consequences of their rogue actions. We have none of that kind of thinking at the top.
Being a flight medic in Vietnam placed me up front and personal with the nature of war. The sole purpose of our Department of Defence is to protect and defend a well fed population of American citizens. Its that simple. The way we have gone about it has fed war profiteers and wasted resources.
My solutionary thinking is to place our Industralized War Machine back in full motion by converting factories that are now making automobiles for the public into ammunion, weaponry, and whatever we need in the way of plains, tanks, personal carrier,etc.. This should employ about 30,000,000 unemployed workers.
The second thing would be to put into place a Citizen Solider Military by way of draft consisting of the healthiest and brightest. No deferments. Age,gender,intelligence and education for military occupational skills.Presently, less than one half of one percent of the adult population can say they have worn the uniform during wartime. That is only 20,000,000 for all recent wars back to and including WWII. We need an active Armed Forces of 30,000,000 troops,pilot,military intelligence etc. to create overwhelming force in at least 4 theaters. Today the United States could not do so in one theater without causing a nuclear holocaust.
Wow, I’m sure glad that we finally have a real strategic thinker around here.
You don’t mention it but I suppose that we’ll pay for this 30 mil. man army by just borrowing a few more bucks from the Chinese.
I’m forwarding this proposal on to higher command.
Bob,
We do not need to borrow another dime from China or anyone else to have the level of defense I am suggesting. The United states is a very large experiment in progress for those wanting the freedom to worship as they please, exercise free speech and the many other constitutiontional rights cherish and are necessary, including the right to bare arms.
To afford a defense I suggest, the people of the U.S.must understand the need for such a large military/defense and be willing to pay for it. This means changing life styles and personal spending habits.
Eat in instead of out, find ways to satisfy social and other needs and wants with their neighbors instead of burning their pay checks driving all over the country and joining health, golf or social clubs, etc. they probably cannot afford. We do waste a lot of resourses so to “live high on the hog” in this country.
This will take a couple of decades to implement because Washington needs a huge purge, overhaul, psychic change, moral courage installation by the voters. All types of fraud by medical providers, Social Security Disability/ SSI , veterans claims and awards must be processed with stewardship to keep those that are able to work must work and those unable awarded a livable sum of money.
This is only a start on the how. I can can go on if you wish and explain how the country can pay our debts off completely without taxing workers to the point they have no incentive to work or break the small busness’s by tighting our belts. After all, I love free trade and capitalism also.