Comments on: GORDON DUFF: TARNISHED GLORY: THE MYTH OF "SPECIAL OPERATIONS" http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot Military Veterans and Foreign Affairs Journal - VA - Veterans Administration Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mrg http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-33190 mrg Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:22:17 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-33190 hey tough guy, if the privateers that entered bagdad illegally weren't caught or sold out,we would have not gone in to fuckin' bagdad because you see the commander in cheif had said" major combat operations has ended".these seals are probably being punished for harming a friendly. hey tough guy, if the privateers that entered bagdad illegally weren’t caught or sold out,we would have not gone in to fuckin’ bagdad because you see the commander in cheif had said” major combat operations has ended”.these seals are probably being punished for harming a friendly.

]]> By: Are you refering to... http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-33122 Are you refering to... Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:47:40 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-33122 AL-CIA-DA? Sibel Edmonds testimony on this guy Fetullah Gulan (pg 95-96) "...he was given immediately visa to stay in the United States, and he has been in the United States until now as far as I know. He has since established more than 300 madrasahs in Central Asia and what he calls universities that have a front that is called Moderate Islam, but he is closely involved in training mujahideen-like militia Islam who are brought from Pakistan and Afghanistan into Central Asia where his madrasahs operate, and his organization's network is estimated to be around $25 billion. He has opened several Islamic universities in the United States. As I said it's being promoted under Moderate Islam. It is supported by certain U.S. authorities here because of the operations in Central Asia, but 7 what they have been doing since late 1990s is actually radical Islam and militizing (phonetic) these very, very young, from the age 14, 15, by commandoes they use..." Why would he get such treatment? Because of "interests of the people who are interested in the energy sources in Central Asia" (p 98) Transcript: http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/SibelEdmondsDeposition_Transcript_080809.pdf In this war, both sides are being run by the same people in the name of criminal profit. I'd imagine those seals were punished in a roundabout way for interfering with an ongoing operation. Dick Marchinko (Seal Team 6 founder) served jail time during the 80's for trumped up charges. That happens when you step on the toes of secret power. AL-CIA-DA?

Sibel Edmonds testimony on this guy Fetullah Gulan (pg 95-96)

“…he was given immediately visa to stay in the United States, and he has been in the United States until now as far as I know. He has since established more than 300 madrasahs in Central Asia and what he calls universities that have a front that is called Moderate Islam, but he is closely involved in training mujahideen-like militia Islam who are brought from Pakistan and Afghanistan into Central Asia where his madrasahs operate, and his organization’s network is estimated to be around $25 billion. He has opened several Islamic universities in the United States. As I said it’s being promoted under Moderate Islam. It is supported by certain U.S. authorities here because of the operations in Central Asia, but
7 what they have been doing since late 1990s is actually radical Islam and militizing (phonetic) these very, very young, from the age 14, 15, by commandoes they use…”

Why would he get such treatment? Because of “interests of the people who are interested in the energy sources in Central Asia” (p 98)

Transcript:
http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/SibelEdmondsDeposition_Transcript_080809.pdf

In this war, both sides are being run by the same people in the name of criminal profit. I’d imagine those seals were punished in a roundabout way for interfering with an ongoing operation. Dick Marchinko (Seal Team 6 founder) served jail time during the 80′s for trumped up charges. That happens when you step on the toes of secret power.

]]> By: Mike Griffith http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-33090 Mike Griffith Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:37:42 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-33090 More miserable, Al-Qaeda-stooge propaganda on this disgraceful site. Gee, why am I not surprised that Veterans Today is saying nothing about the shameful, unjustified prosecution of the three Navy Seals who captured Ahmed Abed? Their "crime"? Boo-hoo, they punched him in the stomach and gave him a bloody lip. Poor baby. Abed is the guy who was behind the murder and public display of four Blackwater contractors in Iraq. If there are any real vets still reading Veterans Today, here's an article on this absurd debacle: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34844 There are now several petitions to free/pardon the Seal 3. Here's one of them: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34775 Dozens of Congressmen are now also calling for a halt to the prosecution of the Navy 3. Where is Veterans Today? More miserable, Al-Qaeda-stooge propaganda on this disgraceful site.

Gee, why am I not surprised that Veterans Today is saying nothing about the shameful, unjustified prosecution of the three Navy Seals who captured Ahmed Abed? Their “crime”? Boo-hoo, they punched him in the stomach and gave him a bloody lip. Poor baby. Abed is the guy who was behind the murder and public display of four Blackwater contractors in Iraq.

If there are any real vets still reading Veterans Today, here’s an article on this absurd debacle:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34844

There are now several petitions to free/pardon the Seal 3. Here’s one of them:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34775

Dozens of Congressmen are now also calling for a halt to the prosecution of the Navy 3.

Where is Veterans Today?

]]> By: Thanks Gordon Duff http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-33037 Thanks Gordon Duff Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:46:08 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-33037 For writing this article. It's refreshing to see someone who hasn't bought the Orwellian lies being told to us by our government. Patriotism is questioning government. I am a former Gulf vet and I approve of your message. For writing this article.

It’s refreshing to see someone who hasn’t bought the Orwellian lies being told to us by our government.

Patriotism is questioning government.

I am a former Gulf vet and I approve of your message.

]]> By: Notorious Kelly http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-33026 Notorious Kelly Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:47:25 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-33026 Our government is as awful as any and guilty of continuing unspeakable atrocities around the globe. of course, if public acknowledgment of this would result in an even 1% decrease in my Quality of Life, I'll gladly look the other way. Our government is as awful as any and guilty of continuing unspeakable atrocities around the globe.

of course, if public acknowledgment of this would result in an even 1% decrease in my Quality of Life, I’ll gladly look the other way.

]]> By: Night Flyer http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32999 Night Flyer Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:22:49 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32999 Gorgon, if I may: This is a very special operation for those women who have been left stranded. As I did way back when as a door gunner on the HMM 262 CH-36D helicopter I believe we need to rescue this special group . In my minds eye they are much like those Marines I picked up during the monsoon season in 1970 due west of Marble Mountain, stranded in trees and on rooftops. We saved many and did lose a few. These women combat veterans need our help and we thiers. Please let this this notice be printed my friend. If they can stay clean, stay busy, help me get into office I will be able to assist them and more of us. Sempre Fi....Cpl. Lovenguth Women Combat Veterans Needed Women combat veterans with PTSD are suffering a serious injury which is treatable but the military and the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and the general public will not accept this reality. I can only tell all of you that from my generation of Vietnam Marine combat veterans it is the veterans who help out one another. I'm not talking group and drugs but only other combat veterans will understand this "headache". I will tell you to be very aware of what the VA gives you regarding medications as many of the meds will only cause you more problems; of mind and body. I will tell you to call on the inner strength you do have and do not drink! That will only make everything really worse. Walk if you are able, drive if you can across this country, and for those who can handle the administrative process get yourself in to a small community college and read and read and write and for me and many others this worked. It's a therapy and has stress but nothing like the combat zone type. You will be surrounded by hundreds in a training environment which means everyone has issues and you will actually get a sense on safety and a sense of completion every 16 weeks. The VA will eventually pay you for the hours spend in a college. Do not expect the VA to do anything for you, you must be strong and it was your strength that allowed you to survive this far. Don't wait for the American society to welcome you, which is all BS. Welcome yourself and get on with life as a civilian. Failing sorry for yourself is nowhere. Get into a school and pursue whatever you what to be a part of educationally, it works. The rank in the civilian world is the degree and you with the level of military training can and will outpace any little rich kid who had his mommy making his bed while you were protecting his rich daddy's stock holdings. That's a fact. Again, don't wait for the VA or society as it doesn't work that way. They both want to shove you under the rug as they did my group. You can make it and do not drink or fall into the feel sorry rap to the drug thing. Sempre Fi....a former door gunner 1970-71 USMC (H) And don't forget to register to vote as that was one of the hidden reasons you were over there. Do it! Respect to all of you, been there, done that, and now I'm a candidate for the Florida 2010 United States Senator as an Independent. I have been assisting fellow PTSD veterans with their claims for close to 30 years. If you’re in Florida, read my site and know my focus is on veterans and that includes you. One last thing. Email me if you want to get involved. I'm not taking any corporate funds and I need a few good people and I'd love to have a few former combat people on my team. Thanks, Jorge Antonio Lovenguth George@lovenguth.org Gorgon, if I may: This is a very special operation for those women who have been left stranded. As I did way back when as a door gunner on the HMM 262 CH-36D helicopter I believe we need to rescue this special group . In my minds eye they are much like those Marines I picked up during the monsoon season in 1970 due west of Marble Mountain, stranded in trees and on rooftops. We saved many and did lose a few. These women combat veterans need our help and we thiers. Please let this this notice be printed my friend. If they can stay clean, stay busy, help me get into office I will be able to assist them and more of us. Sempre Fi….Cpl. Lovenguth

Women Combat Veterans Needed

Women combat veterans with PTSD are suffering a serious injury which is treatable but the military and the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and the general public will not accept this reality.

I can only tell all of you that from my generation of Vietnam Marine combat veterans it is the veterans who help out one another. I’m not talking group and drugs but only other combat veterans will understand this “headache”.

I will tell you to be very aware of what the VA gives you regarding medications as many of the meds will only cause you more problems; of mind and body.

I will tell you to call on the inner strength you do have and do not drink! That will only make everything really worse.

Walk if you are able, drive if you can across this country, and for those who can handle the administrative process get yourself in to a small community college and read and read and write and for me and many others this worked.

It’s a therapy and has stress but nothing like the combat zone type. You will be surrounded by hundreds in a training environment which means everyone has issues and you will actually get a sense on safety and a sense of completion every 16 weeks.

The VA will eventually pay you for the hours spend in a college.

Do not expect the VA to do anything for you, you must be strong and it was your strength that allowed you to survive this far. Don’t wait for the American society to welcome you, which is all BS. Welcome yourself and get on with life as a civilian. Failing sorry for yourself is nowhere.

Get into a school and pursue whatever you what to be a part of educationally, it works. The rank in the civilian world is the degree and you with the level of military training can and will outpace any little rich kid who had his mommy making his bed while you were protecting his rich daddy’s stock holdings. That’s a fact.

Again, don’t wait for the VA or society as it doesn’t work that way. They both want to shove you under the rug as they did my group. You can make it and do not drink or fall into the feel sorry rap to the drug thing. Sempre Fi….a former door gunner 1970-71 USMC (H) And don’t forget to register to vote as that was one of the hidden reasons you were over there. Do it!

Respect to all of you, been there, done that, and now I’m a candidate for the Florida 2010 United States Senator as an Independent. I have been assisting fellow PTSD veterans with their claims for close to 30 years. If you’re in Florida, read my site and know my focus is on veterans and that includes you. One last thing. Email me if you want to get involved. I’m not taking any corporate funds and I need a few good people and I’d love to have a few former combat people on my team. Thanks, Jorge Antonio Lovenguth George@lovenguth.org

]]> By: Night Flyer http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32992 Night Flyer Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:33:56 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32992 American forces play computer sinulation computer games now as thier special operations. The money DC gives out to other countries may be real on paper with all principal and interest going to China. The days of reald eal sp ops is over as we knew it. Today its all re-set the computer and chaching the interest machine, and all in the name of freedom, god, and the children. TSA is American special operations now. It's one big bullshit image and we lose a little bit more each day. Sorry to write this crap but it is what I see, read, and hear from many people returning from duty. Damn, Hollywood isn't even putting out any good propaganda anymore. American forces play computer sinulation computer games now as thier special operations. The money DC gives out to other countries may be real on paper with all principal and interest going to China.

The days of reald eal sp ops is over as we knew it. Today its all re-set the computer and chaching the interest machine, and all in the name of freedom, god, and the children.

TSA is American special operations now. It’s one big bullshit image and we lose a little bit more each day.

Sorry to write this crap but it is what I see, read, and hear from many people returning from duty. Damn, Hollywood isn’t even putting out any good propaganda anymore.

]]> By: Soap Box http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32991 Soap Box Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:11:40 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32991 beautiful G! he-he-he.. Soap beautiful G! he-he-he..
Soap

]]> By: duffster http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32985 duffster Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:12:53 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32985 <p>i am planning on renditing myself</p><p>cut out the middle man</p><p>free flight</p><p>free torture</p><p>i will tell them i just saw bin laden</p><p>working at a burger king in kalamazoo michigan</p><p>drove in with elvis.</p><p>g</p> i am planning on renditing myself

cut out the middle man

free flight

free torture

i will tell them i just saw bin laden

working at a burger king in kalamazoo michigan

drove in with elvis.

g

]]> By: mrg http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32983 mrg Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:07:15 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32983 alton, tsing tao king of the commie beers? what about the south east asias blue ribbon winner panther piss.the only problem i have with keeping in true asian style drinking is, in north america its difficult to keep the beer temperature above 80 degrees. alton, tsing tao king of the commie beers? what about the south east asias blue ribbon winner panther piss.the only problem i have with keeping in true asian style drinking is, in north america its difficult to keep the beer temperature above 80 degrees.

]]> By: mrg http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32982 mrg Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:49:04 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32982 those two the ex marine and the blackwater whistleblower i've heard have been accidented.sibel edmonds is going the same way that the don seigelman case is going,slow death by the bushcrime family friendly doj.our cia has brought the the russian way of life here and super sized it. i can't beleive your still on the web,you can get a free ticket to club torture paradise for telling the truth. i'll see you on the flight. oh by the way don't bring anything to drink they have plenty of h2o. those two the ex marine and the blackwater whistleblower i’ve heard have been accidented.sibel edmonds is going the same way that the don seigelman case is going,slow death by the bushcrime family friendly doj.our cia has brought the the russian way of life here and super sized it. i can’t beleive your still on the web,you can get a free ticket to club torture paradise for telling the truth. i’ll see you on the flight. oh by the way don’t bring anything to drink they have plenty of h2o.

]]> By: Thunk http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32968 Thunk Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:40:16 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32968 H? H?

]]> By: Alton http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32957 Alton Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:38:54 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32957 Forgot what the movie was called back in the 60s. Starred James Coburn and Godfrey Cambridge I believe. Coburn was a psychologist working for the Government (hmm, strange a psychologist working for the Government) and he was consoling Cambridge which worked for the CIA and they were talking about his 5th Avenue 'kill' the day before. "I didn't feel anything doc". Ok later on in the movie, he couldn't take it anymore so he took off with his new girlfriend somewhere else. He knew too much and the FBI, CIA, NSA and KGB were after him and killed each other in a field when they couldn't find a hotel, so to speak and in the end everybody came to his house to celebrate Christmas, even Kapotkin the KGB guy. Wonder if it's like you know, ESP? Hmm, Maybe I need to watch Catch 22 again? This time i might understand the plot. Forgot what the movie was called back in the 60s. Starred James Coburn and Godfrey Cambridge I believe. Coburn was a psychologist working for the Government (hmm, strange a psychologist working for the Government) and he was consoling Cambridge which worked for the CIA and they were talking about his 5th Avenue ‘kill’ the day before. “I didn’t feel anything doc”. Ok later on in the movie, he couldn’t take it anymore so he took off with his new girlfriend somewhere else. He knew too much and the FBI, CIA, NSA and KGB were after him and killed each other in a field when they couldn’t find a hotel, so to speak and in the end everybody came to his house to celebrate Christmas, even Kapotkin the KGB guy. Wonder if it’s like you know, ESP? Hmm, Maybe I need to watch Catch 22 again? This time i might understand the plot.

]]> By: duffster http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32956 duffster Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:17:35 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32956 <p>Start looking at those "not so public" news stories of Americans being arrested in strange places, sometimes armed to the teeth.</p><p>There are two big clients out there, India and Israel.</p><p>What do you think they are buying?</p><p>g</p> Start looking at those "not so public" news stories of Americans being arrested in strange places, sometimes armed to the teeth.

There are two big clients out there, India and Israel.

What do you think they are buying?

g

]]> By: Alton http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/14/tarnished-glory-the-myth-of-quot-special-operations-quot/comment-page-1/#comment-32955 Alton Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:13:32 +0000 http://127.0.0.1/?p=9762#comment-32955 Hmmm Left out the French Foreign Legion or are they 'the good guys' now? So many different spy agencies, working for so many different countries, (which party is in power now? I forgot) then you throw in a couple of drug dealers, gunrunners, Slavery folks, Mafioso, Chinese, Russian, Mexican, American gangs, maybe one or two that are just trying to make a living IE the common criminal, have I missed anybody? If I did, I'm sorry. Even wearing a uniform doesn't guarantee they're a good guy. Even had some 'never weres', I mean Wanna bes trying to tell me what's wrong with America and the 'liberal guy is a $%^*&(^ for not parroting the GOP party line. All you have to do is read, just read what they are telling you to see it's just like everything else. Something they say, that they want YOU to die for, not them. Think I'll just set in on my Sofa, with a stiff , I mean STIFF eggnog and watch the world slowly sink into another civil war unless they snap out of it, which is also good. Wonder if I can still find my 'coolie hat'? They're pumping oil from Turkmenistan to China now that they made a deal instead of a war there. Tsing Tao beer wasn't too bad as far as beer goes and how thirsty you are. Hmmm Left out the French Foreign Legion or are they ‘the good guys’ now?
So many different spy agencies, working for so many different countries, (which party is in power now? I forgot) then you throw in a couple of drug dealers, gunrunners, Slavery folks, Mafioso, Chinese, Russian, Mexican, American gangs, maybe one or two that are just trying to make a living IE the common criminal, have I missed anybody? If I did, I’m sorry. Even wearing a uniform doesn’t guarantee they’re a good guy. Even had some ‘never weres’, I mean Wanna bes trying to tell me what’s wrong with America and the ‘liberal guy is a $%^*&(^ for not parroting the GOP party line.
All you have to do is read, just read what they are telling you to see it’s just like everything else. Something they say, that they want YOU to die for, not them.
Think I’ll just set in on my Sofa, with a stiff , I mean STIFF eggnog and watch the world slowly sink into another civil war unless they snap out of it, which is also good.
Wonder if I can still find my ‘coolie hat’? They’re pumping oil from Turkmenistan to China now that they made a deal instead of a war there. Tsing Tao beer wasn’t too bad as far as beer goes and how thirsty you are.

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