riddle me this. why did the same people who blew up the world trade center finance the fight against the healthcare bill?

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To those who believe the official government theory, what do you have to lose?
To those who do not believe the official government theory, what do you have to lose?

I submit that the only thing that anyone has to lose is to admit that they were wrong.

Now, what do we have to gain? We can finally prove who was involved in the events of 9/11! We can indict all that were involved, if they find that there was anybody involved. If it is found that element’s of the government were NOT complicate in 9/11 then we move on with our lives. If we find that element’s of the government WERE compicate and there was a coverup, we take action from there.

This, in my mind, seems like the most common sense way to end this war of words once and for all. So this should be taken as a challenge to all of us, whatever our belief’s may be, to ORDER a new investigation into 9/11. Again, money shouldn’t be an issue because the amount of money for such an investigation is a grain of sand compared to what was put into this healthcare bill.

So, let’s get it done. If the government has nothing to hide, they will willingly agree to a new investigation. Should the government refuse We the People the right to learn the real truth about 9/11, their culpability should be taken into consideration. If the government has nothing to hide, they will immediately start the wheels turning on a new investigation.

Is there a single one of you out there that disagrees with this idea and, if so, why?

I have offered up the only viable solution to getting to the truth about 9/11. Now, let’s stop arguing and get it done.

Bush fought for over a year to keep 9/11 from being investigated, and he was successful. There has NEVER been an INVESTIGATION into 9/11 by anybody in GOVERNMENT. The only investigations have been in the private sector. Even the most clueless gumshoe could tell you that when somebody tries to block an investigation into a crime, and that person is THE TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THE LAWS, you can goddamn well bet the farm, your ass, and the kid’s college fund, that they were involved.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive
treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and
carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

Cicero, the Roman Senate, 58 BC

He’s highly motivated, he’s got lots of voluminous “canned” “answers”, and he uses all the standard “debunker” techniques and talking points. He will concede *NOTHING* to the 9/11 truth movement.

Rather than waste your time reading “debunker” nonsense, why not read something informative, like this for instance:
http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html

While I generally see your analyses as being spot-on, I’m quite sure that 9/11 was planned by Israel and its fanatical partisans, and aided by the Bush administration.

First of all, as a practical matter, the planning of 9/11 certainly had to predate Bush’s administration…from concept to conclusion I’m quite sure it took much more than 8 months.

Then there’s the question of motive.

And in that regard, clearly, 9/11 was all about PNAC, and PNAC is all about Israel.

Bush and Cheney are merely power hungry, sociopathic scum, willing to sell their souls for a taste of power.

In fact, I’d say that the Zionists (let’s face it they largely control our whole political process) brought team Bush to power specifically to help carry out the 9/11 fraud. They probably came up with the idea sometime not long after the USSR collapsed, and it took them a while to bring everything together, and then, when they felt they were ready, they brought team Bush to power.

I’d be willing to bet that Bush himself didn’t even know all the details of what happened that day. My guess is that Bush was told by his handlers that his administration would “let it happen”, i.e., let the “Arab terrorists” carry out their mission, so that “we” can then go after “them” and the countries that support them, or some such happy horseshit.

This type of “reasoning” may have been used on a number of goy accessories, e.g., Giuliani, playing on their “patriotism” (i.e., vanity).

In my mind’s eye, I can see Cheney and some high level Jew supremacists sitting around a big table in a big fancy room, with people such as Giuliani, some top military people, some top CIA, FBI, etc., saying: “Gentlemen, we’ve called you here today because of your outstanding patriotism. We know that ‘Arab terrorists’ are planning to fly planes into the World Trade Center, but insted of trying to stop them, we’re going to let it happen”.

And then someone in the audience asks: “But why sir? If you know what the plans are, why not stop them? You’re going to let thousands of people die?”

And then Cheney or some authoritative Jew supremacist answers: “Because, son, if we stop them now, they’ll just try it again in the future. Maybe next time using WMD, which would kill not thousands but tens or hundreds of thousands…no, we have to let them succeed this time, even it it will cost many lives. This way, we can go after them where they are…we can take the battle to them and the countries that support them. This way we can save lives.

Of course, none of the goy accessories at the meeting know the full story, e.g., that there really are no “Arab terrorists”, but only Mossad impersonators who’ve stolen Arab identities, and that the planes will be electronically hijacked, etc.

This is the only real question…

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Information still classified runs this direction, showing, not only the mechanism for finance but efforts to cover this up. Members of the intelligence community, some who are not involved in any 9/11 organization, know enough to blow 9/11 out of the water but are being silenced.

I can’t say any more than this. One large and well know security company owned by a major insurance group found within its own employees a group that worked on 9/11, former FBI employees.

It would take 5 minutes to come up with the company names. I know of one person murdered to cover this up, something no agency has looked at, something listed as a car accident, an utterly impossible car accident.

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My personal experience, not minor in some areas, tells me that Albury is totally wrong in most of what he says and seems to be dogmatic. I have seen black ops/false flag ops planned.

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First of all, how in the hell is one independent journalist supposed to pursue a reinvestigation into an issue the full weight of the US mainstream media is determined to avoid at all cost?

1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media

“As a sad commentary on the press corps, not one news agency in the world so far has done any coverage on the Feb. 19 event that was simultaneously broadcast at press conferences being hosted concurrently in cities throughout the US including San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Austin, Dallas, Madison, Dover, NH, Tulsa, Tucson, Boston, Alexandria, VA (DC), Tampa, Temple Terrace, FL, Denver, Newark; and internationally in Ontario, Vancouver, Brussels, Denmark, Sydney, and Wellington, NZ.”

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8199-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2010m2d25-1000-Architects-and-Engineers-for-911-Truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media

You state “whether OBL is alive or dead is irrelevant”. Oh yes it is. If the government is purposely keeping his death a secret that makes a statement of and by itself – the US govt can’t be trusted with either the status of OBL or the true events surrounding the worst mass murder on US soil in over a century. If OBL is dead, and our intelligence assets haven’t determined this yet, what kind of statement does that make concerning the intel infrastructure that was supposed to be rebuilt and reinvigorated in the post-9/11 era? In this climate of aggressive domestic surveillance which focuses its attention inward upon US citizens, a question of misplaced priorities arises.

If the nation that I served wishes for my fidelity to remain intact it must start rebuilding its credibility, for every Patriot Act re-up that gets sneaked through two minutes till the stroke of deadline, for every fake OBL taped appearance that makes its way to the TV, for every opening of Congress with a unanimous resolution voicing support for Israeli aggression within the Gaza Strip, and when in every instance the mainstream media chooses to ignore or minimize these events to the point of journalist malpractice, my faith and trust grows dimmer.

There is a vast body of direct and circumstantial evidence which indicates there was more to 9/11 than Al-Qaeda and boxcutters. Nanothermite explosive residue. Twin towers struck by two passenger jets which manage to free into their own footprint with an efficiency only approached by expert building demolition technicians. Tower 7 collapsing like an old Vegas casino going down on Sunday morning merely by virtue of two floors suffering fire damage. There’s the “dancing” Mossad agents on Israeli TV clearly admitting foreknowledge, in not complicity. A complicated yet crystal clear web of Zionist political, intelligence, and economic players connecting government offices and Silverstein’s activities. And so on, and yet you albury smith have the gall to point an accusational finger at an independent journalist instead of where it should be – at those who have the resources, the capability, and most importantly THE DUTY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE SO-CALLED PRESS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

What you lack in critical thinking skills and common sense, you almost make up for in entertainment value! LOL!

I asked you to provide a “compelling counter-explanation” for what we see in Chandler’s video. What I meant by that is that I expect you provide a very plausible alternate explanation for the salient features we see in the video that, in the minds of reasonable people, clearly imply a controlled demolition.

Your uninformed speculation that the ejecta we see in the video seems to happen a little too early to be contributing to the collapse, or that it isn’t “propelled out” quite fast enough, doesn’t quite make the cut.
(BTW have you had your eyes calibrated recently?) Perhaps in your view it’s also the wrong color? Or maybe it diverges a little too much? Or maybe it happened on the wrong day of the week, for that matter? We could go on and on with this kind of contrarian nonsense, i.e., “hapless debunker bullshit”, couldn’t we?

Let’s try it again, more specifically this time.

First, in the video, we can clearly see an energetic plume that comes right through the corner of the building, NOT through a window. Do you understand the significance of that? Please explain, what is this phenomenon if it is not the resultant jet from a HE/thermite cutter charge of some kind?

Second, the severed end of a vertical steel column appears shortly after the plume occurs, having been projected slightly outward, and, according to Chandler’s measurements, it’s clear that the vertical position of this severed end of this column corresponds exactly with the position of the energetic plume.

You’re going to say that the appearance of the severed end of the column, corresponding in time and space exactly with that of the energetic plume, is just another coincidence?

Then, a short time later, we see the column go into free-fall, beginning apparently at the same instant in time that some additional energetic plumes happen to appear (once again going through the corner of the building) further down, according to Chandler’s painstaking measurement efforts.

What’s your reasoned explanation of this? Yet another spectacular f***ing coincidence, maybe on a par with Silverstein’s not showing up for work that day? And his kids not showing up for work that day? And the Zim American-Israeli shipping company having moved out shortly before 9/11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg