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		<title>By: Zahir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the article 69 of the Afghan Constitution will allow the government to impeach the president, they should do it now, before it is too late.
Karzai is totally out of control by accusing The UN, and the Coalition forces in Afghanistan, for corruptions and insatbility of the country, and today he told all his ministers in a private meeting; President Hamid Karzai threatened over the weekend to quit the political process and join the Taliban if he continued to come under outside pressure to reform, several members of parliament said Monday, according to NBC today.
What are we waiting for? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the article 69 of the Afghan Constitution will allow the government to impeach the president, they should do it now, before it is too late.<br />
Karzai is totally out of control by accusing The UN, and the Coalition forces in Afghanistan, for corruptions and insatbility of the country, and today he told all his ministers in a private meeting; President Hamid Karzai threatened over the weekend to quit the political process and join the Taliban if he continued to come under outside pressure to reform, several members of parliament said Monday, according to NBC today.<br />
What are we waiting for?<br />
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		<title>By: Very long question about optimism &#8211; philosophical and psychological questions? :The Longtail Music Catalog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very long question about optimism &#8211; philosophical and psychological questions? :The Longtail Music Catalog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Terry Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that both of you (GMG and Khalil Nouri) are right in the views that you have expressed. However, my own statement was merely an attempt to show that there are procedures within the existing Afghan Constitution that could, in theory if not in practicality, allow the &quot;Alternative Solution&quot; to be implemented without any changes to it. 

My own reasoning suggests that external and internal pressure, as well as a new set of economic initiatives by Afghan-Americans and expatriate Afghans around the world, will force dramatic change in the internal dynamics of Afghanistan within the next two years. 

What am I suggesting?  I see evidence merging on two fronts that will force all Afghans to take a second look at what may be possible in the next two years.  NWSC, Inc. is about to seek funding for a major water project that will bring hundreds of millions of gallons of water from the mountains to the lowlands before it flows into tectonic fault cracks to continue underground and out to sea.  Such a project will change Afghanistan into the breadbasket of South Asia; with the addition of cold storage facilities, Afghan produce could feed all of South Asia.  Clean and pure Afghan water can be bottled and sold to the rest of the world.  What does this mean…?  Jobs … Jobs… Jobs… Who is qualified to head this water project… none other than Hydrologist Hasan Nouri!

The second front is that Western powers are signaling that they will no longer tolerate the status quo, and will force change one way or the other; Obama’s unannounced overnight trip to speak directly to Karzai is a case in point.  

What does this have to do with  Alternative Solutions?  It means that pessimism about Afghanistan needs to end.  A new optimism about Afghanistan needs to take hold no matter what the current status is... because positive change is elusive to those who do not believe in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that both of you (GMG and Khalil Nouri) are right in the views that you have expressed. However, my own statement was merely an attempt to show that there are procedures within the existing Afghan Constitution that could, in theory if not in practicality, allow the &#8220;Alternative Solution&#8221; to be implemented without any changes to it. </p>
<p>My own reasoning suggests that external and internal pressure, as well as a new set of economic initiatives by Afghan-Americans and expatriate Afghans around the world, will force dramatic change in the internal dynamics of Afghanistan within the next two years. </p>
<p>What am I suggesting?  I see evidence merging on two fronts that will force all Afghans to take a second look at what may be possible in the next two years.  NWSC, Inc. is about to seek funding for a major water project that will bring hundreds of millions of gallons of water from the mountains to the lowlands before it flows into tectonic fault cracks to continue underground and out to sea.  Such a project will change Afghanistan into the breadbasket of South Asia; with the addition of cold storage facilities, Afghan produce could feed all of South Asia.  Clean and pure Afghan water can be bottled and sold to the rest of the world.  What does this mean…?  Jobs … Jobs… Jobs… Who is qualified to head this water project… none other than Hydrologist Hasan Nouri!</p>
<p>The second front is that Western powers are signaling that they will no longer tolerate the status quo, and will force change one way or the other; Obama’s unannounced overnight trip to speak directly to Karzai is a case in point.  </p>
<p>What does this have to do with  Alternative Solutions?  It means that pessimism about Afghanistan needs to end.  A new optimism about Afghanistan needs to take hold no matter what the current status is&#8230; because positive change is elusive to those who do not believe in it.</p>
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		<title>By: gmg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now I come to you, Paul. I actually came to this thread after reading your post a few hours ago. I&#039;ve been bothered by your post for one reason: What do think is a good institution for doing what humans basically do not like being done -- being governed?

I don&#039;t like my teacher. I don&#039;t like my boss. I don&#039;t like my wife. I don&#039;t like even my kids. Why? Because they place demands upon me. I love all of them, but this governing of behaviour is driving me crazy. Teacher -- where&#039;s the essay? Boss -- where&#039;s the report on that teacher? Wife -- where are those bloody carrots I told you to pick up? Kids -- too endless to list!

Am I able to live in this world as a complete independent from all you bothersome folks? Not recently.

So, Paul, what would you use to govern my behaviour? And, Paul, that&#039;s just me. What about the other couple plus million folks that live in my territory? Who&#039;s going to govern us? Ourselves?

Fine, democracy is a scam. No problem. What&#039;s the replacement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now I come to you, Paul. I actually came to this thread after reading your post a few hours ago. I&#8217;ve been bothered by your post for one reason: What do think is a good institution for doing what humans basically do not like being done &#8212; being governed?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like my teacher. I don&#8217;t like my boss. I don&#8217;t like my wife. I don&#8217;t like even my kids. Why? Because they place demands upon me. I love all of them, but this governing of behaviour is driving me crazy. Teacher &#8212; where&#8217;s the essay? Boss &#8212; where&#8217;s the report on that teacher? Wife &#8212; where are those bloody carrots I told you to pick up? Kids &#8212; too endless to list!</p>
<p>Am I able to live in this world as a complete independent from all you bothersome folks? Not recently.</p>
<p>So, Paul, what would you use to govern my behaviour? And, Paul, that&#8217;s just me. What about the other couple plus million folks that live in my territory? Who&#8217;s going to govern us? Ourselves?</p>
<p>Fine, democracy is a scam. No problem. What&#8217;s the replacement?</p>
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		<title>By: Khalil Nouri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khalil Nouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr. Green, 

Indeed the 5 appointed members of ECC will very well bear fruit for the President to buy both of Jirgahs constituency. Therefore it is a monarchy system painted with democratically presidential election. 

In fact, a manipulation of the system is in “Work In Progress.” Or WIP 

Khalil Nouri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr. Green, </p>
<p>Indeed the 5 appointed members of ECC will very well bear fruit for the President to buy both of Jirgahs constituency. Therefore it is a monarchy system painted with democratically presidential election. </p>
<p>In fact, a manipulation of the system is in “Work In Progress.” Or WIP </p>
<p>Khalil Nouri</p>
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		<title>By: gmg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, thank you Mr. Khalil Nouri for your response to my post.

If you&#039;ll forgive me, Mr. Nouri, I&#039;ll use this post to ask Mr. Terry a question.

I&#039;m just wondering if endorsing the idea of lengthy constitional debate at the legislative level and then implementation at any judicial level will be an advancement to a rule of law that can stem the tide at present.

As I see it, either the entire constitution is thrown out and the &lt;i&gt;Alternative Solution&lt;/i&gt; is used in some manner to replace it, or it&#039;s going to be a civil situation that paralyzes governing the country.

There must be &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; good from the past few years. Implementing the &lt;i&gt;Alternative Solutions&lt;/i&gt; shouldn&#039;t replace those gains. One builds on what&#039;s good and recognizes what&#039;s bad, but realizing that even within the bad there is good.

It is finding the good within the bad that makes us human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, thank you Mr. Khalil Nouri for your response to my post.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll forgive me, Mr. Nouri, I&#8217;ll use this post to ask Mr. Terry a question.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering if endorsing the idea of lengthy constitional debate at the legislative level and then implementation at any judicial level will be an advancement to a rule of law that can stem the tide at present.</p>
<p>As I see it, either the entire constitution is thrown out and the <i>Alternative Solution</i> is used in some manner to replace it, or it&#8217;s going to be a civil situation that paralyzes governing the country.</p>
<p>There must be <i>some</i> good from the past few years. Implementing the <i>Alternative Solutions</i> shouldn&#8217;t replace those gains. One builds on what&#8217;s good and recognizes what&#8217;s bad, but realizing that even within the bad there is good.</p>
<p>It is finding the good within the bad that makes us human.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Article 69 of the Afghan Constitution, charges can be brought against the sitting president, and the president can be impeached.
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Article Sixty-Nine 
Ch 3, Art 11 

The President is responsible to the nation and the Wolesi Jirga in accordance with this article. 

Accusations of crime against humanity, national treason or crime can be leveled against the President by one third of the members of the Wolesi Jirga. 

If two third of the Wolesi Jirga votes for charges to be brought forth, the Wolesi Jirga shall convene a Loya Jirga within one month.

If the Loya Jirga approve the accusation by a two-thirds majority of votes the President is then dismissed, and the case is referred to a special court. 

The special court is composed of three members of the Wolesi Jirga, and three members of the Supreme Court appointed by the Loya Jirga and the Chair of the Meshrano Jirga. 

The lawsuit is conducted by a person appointed by the Loya Jirga. In this situation, the provisions of Article 67 of this Constitution are applied.

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In Chapter Six,Article two of the Afghan Constitution, the Loya Jirga can amend the constitution... 
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Article One Hundred and ten 
Ch. 6. Art. 1 

Loya Jirga is the highest manifestation of the people of Afghanistan. 

Loya Jirga consists of the following:

Members of the National Assembly. 

Chairpersons of the provincial, and district councils. 

The ministers, Chief Justice and members of the Supreme Court, can participate in the sessions of the Loya Jirga without the right to vote.

Article One Hundred and eleven 
Ch. 6. Art. 2 

Loya Jirga is convened in the following situations: 

To take decision on the issues related to independence, national sovereignty, territorial integrity, and supreme interests of the country. 

To amend the provisions of this Constitution. 

To prosecute the President in accordance with the provisions of Article 69 of this Constitution.

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The &quot;Alternate Solution&quot; as expressed by Khalil Nouri... can be implemented by the Loya Jirga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Article 69 of the Afghan Constitution, charges can be brought against the sitting president, and the president can be impeached.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Article Sixty-Nine<br />
Ch 3, Art 11 </p>
<p>The President is responsible to the nation and the Wolesi Jirga in accordance with this article. </p>
<p>Accusations of crime against humanity, national treason or crime can be leveled against the President by one third of the members of the Wolesi Jirga. </p>
<p>If two third of the Wolesi Jirga votes for charges to be brought forth, the Wolesi Jirga shall convene a Loya Jirga within one month.</p>
<p>If the Loya Jirga approve the accusation by a two-thirds majority of votes the President is then dismissed, and the case is referred to a special court. </p>
<p>The special court is composed of three members of the Wolesi Jirga, and three members of the Supreme Court appointed by the Loya Jirga and the Chair of the Meshrano Jirga. </p>
<p>The lawsuit is conducted by a person appointed by the Loya Jirga. In this situation, the provisions of Article 67 of this Constitution are applied.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>In Chapter Six,Article two of the Afghan Constitution, the Loya Jirga can amend the constitution&#8230;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Article One Hundred and ten<br />
Ch. 6. Art. 1 </p>
<p>Loya Jirga is the highest manifestation of the people of Afghanistan. </p>
<p>Loya Jirga consists of the following:</p>
<p>Members of the National Assembly. </p>
<p>Chairpersons of the provincial, and district councils. </p>
<p>The ministers, Chief Justice and members of the Supreme Court, can participate in the sessions of the Loya Jirga without the right to vote.</p>
<p>Article One Hundred and eleven<br />
Ch. 6. Art. 2 </p>
<p>Loya Jirga is convened in the following situations: </p>
<p>To take decision on the issues related to independence, national sovereignty, territorial integrity, and supreme interests of the country. </p>
<p>To amend the provisions of this Constitution. </p>
<p>To prosecute the President in accordance with the provisions of Article 69 of this Constitution.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>The &#8220;Alternate Solution&#8221; as expressed by Khalil Nouri&#8230; can be implemented by the Loya Jirga.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy is a scam, a scam that is perpetrated by less than human beings,it is the few powerful that benifit from the scam and the rest are left paying the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy is a scam, a scam that is perpetrated by less than human beings,it is the few powerful that benifit from the scam and the rest are left paying the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalil Nouri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khalil Nouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gmg; 

I must confess to fact that I have not fully engaged myself to all the matters of the Afghan 2004 constitution. But I know it was modeled from King Zahir Shah&#039;s era with modification. 
Obviously the election process has not worked and will never work for some long time. Maybe it is much feasible to revert back to the century old system and slowly bring change towards democratic election process. 

Hope I have answered your question. 

Khalil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gmg; </p>
<p>I must confess to fact that I have not fully engaged myself to all the matters of the Afghan 2004 constitution. But I know it was modeled from King Zahir Shah&#8217;s era with modification.<br />
Obviously the election process has not worked and will never work for some long time. Maybe it is much feasible to revert back to the century old system and slowly bring change towards democratic election process. </p>
<p>Hope I have answered your question. </p>
<p>Khalil</p>
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		<title>By: gmg</title>
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		<description>Mr. Khalil Nouri, what changes would have to be made to the 2004 Constition of Afghanistan to allow for implementation of the &lt;i&gt;Alternate Solution&lt;/i&gt;, and in what manner do you feel those changes could best be carried out?

I&#039;d be happy with a link to an article you may have already written that answers that question. Well, there are actually two questions up there, aren&#039;t there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Khalil Nouri, what changes would have to be made to the 2004 Constition of Afghanistan to allow for implementation of the <i>Alternate Solution</i>, and in what manner do you feel those changes could best be carried out?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy with a link to an article you may have already written that answers that question. Well, there are actually two questions up there, aren&#8217;t there?</p>
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