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GORDON DUFF: ISRAEL CLAIMS “NO PTSD IN IDF, JEWS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS”
STUDY COMPARES “RESETTLING PALESTINIANS” WITH WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Is this Israeli arrogance or are there genuine problems with, not only America’s military but culture as well? Are both true? How is being a Jew serving in Israel’s military, more conducive to protecting soldiers from combat stress? Why are Americans, in combat across the Middle East, fighting securing Israeli interests in the region, subject to much higher rates of Post Traumatic Stress than Israeli’s in action against their own citizens?
If America brought her military home and forcibly started rounding up Catholics in a 21st century “trail of tears, perhaps resettling them to North Dakota, in league with Canada, walling them in to keep out building materials and twinkies…..or are there other factors that have caused up to 25% of American troops on active duty to require anti-psychotic medications?
Today’s Israeli National News Service quoted a study on PTSD from BaMachaneh, the Israeli version of Stars and Stripes stating that IDF soldiers don’t get PTSD due to combat, making them vastly superior to their American counterparts. The IDF study cites that up to 30% of American veterans and active duty alike, suffer flashbacks, outbursts of anger and a host of other symptoms which do not plague Jews who are subjected to similar combat circumstances.
No mention of where or when this alleged combat occurred is made, however. The study alleges that less than five percent of soldiers with stress problem, those Israelis who fought in the “Second Lebanon War” and the attacks on Gaza fare much better under combat stress than their American counterparts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Compared to their counterparts around the globe, IDF soldiers are less likely to develop Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) due to combat, according to a study published in the most recent edition of official military magazine BaMachaneh.
The study compared research into PTSD in IDF soldiers to similar research done in other countries. Less than five percent of the soldiers who fought in the Second Lebanon War and in Operation Cast Lead in Gaza showed signs of post-traumatic stress, researchers found.
The “Lebanon War” referred to was a 30 day limited conflict in 2006 in which Israel suffered between 100 and 150 killed in an unsuccessful attempt to smash Hizbollah. Thousands of Lebanese civilians died from air strikes and artillery fire, one United Nations outpost was destroyed by Israel and as many as 200 Hizbollah fighters died. Much of Lebanon’s infrastructure was destroyed. Israel withdrew entirely from Lebanon in on October 1, 2006, leaving a strengthened enemy entirely in control of Lebanon.
One note made in the study involved the quality of officers. The Israeli study indicated that their officers were more aware of the condition of troops under their command, were less adversarial and elitist than their American counterparts. Israeli officers got treatment for soldiers much quicker than Americans in similar situations.
The last significant combat Israeli troops had seen was nearly as long ago as the Vietnam War. Though a case may be made for no useful comparison between combat exposure, even as admitted in the study, Israeli forces inside their own country and Americans, sometimes fighting year after year with tens of thousands of casualties, fighting at the ends of the earth, some issues may be useful, when seen above the smokescreen of hubris and bravado from Tel Aviv.
Israeli forces are a national army, conscripts and professionals mixed, drawing on all walks of life. Officers may find themselves employees of the men in their command once out of uniform. Jewish identity may actually be a positive force as indicated but, not from a sense of cultural superiority but as one of social cohension and comradeship. One criticism of America’s “volunteer army” has been the perception of difference in social strata or “class” between officers and men, particularly with the economic collapse of 2007 pushing many Americans into the military as an alternative to welfare or crime.
One of the key components of the study was religion. The study stated that highly religious Jews who had become prisoners of war fared much better in captivity than non Jews. No statistical data was supplied backing this finding.
Both American military and veterans have found Israel’s publishing of this study curious. One official, when questioned under promise of anonymity, indicated that nothing “out of Israel” is believable, certainly nothing comparing the IDF to the American military. “The IDF is a good force but inexperienced and unproven in war with no real fight in their history other than 1973 and then they came to the US for assistance, much more assistance than anyone admits to.”
“The real problem is that the IDF operates as an occupying force in their own country. Troops go home at night, something Americans deployed, sometimes for years, halfway around the world never do.” On the mission itself, “I some ways their mission is similar, a permanent insurrection but unlike America’s wars, Israeli’s are fighting their own citizens, unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, the enemy is either unarmed or the military operation itself is simply a form of retaliation for civil protest, sometimes violent but often against peaceful protesters.”
Marine Ken O’Keefe, captured by Israeli “commandos” on the Mavi Marmara had this to say about the Israeli forces,
“They weren’t up to0 Marine Corps standards, not by a long shot. I disarmed one of their commandos who had just murdered a camera man who was filming their attack, shot him in the forehead at point blank range.
I took his pistol from him, unloaded it and took him into custody. He had a minor injury, in fact, hadn’t put up much of a fight at all. We got him medical care but what I noticed most of all was that he just wouldn’t stop crying. These were not combat vets, they weren’t even disciplined soldiers.”
Will this soldier, one Ken O’Keefe captured, one of several, be treated for PTSD? Ken, a Marine combat vet from the first Gulf War, is typical of many Marines and soldiers who fought or who are fighting in the Middle East. Ken was so angry at American political behavior and, I believe, America’s actions toward its own soldiers that he gave up his citizenship and left the country. Every day I hear this at least once from an American vet, some days several times. What does it mean?
Factors not in the Israeli study, factors not taken into consideration when considering root causes of PTSD is the nature of the conflict itself, particularly the the rationale given troops to encourage their participation. If, as the Israeli study indicates, troops with a strong religious belief are less inclined to suffer traumatic stress, a significant aspect being guilt, could strong beliefs, be they Zionist, the “Islamophobia” fed American troops in liberal doses during the Rumsfeld era or Taliban extremism, a way of building a “super soldier” or more likely to bring about a total meltdown later?
Is there a difference between Judaism and Christian Evangelism that impacts mental health in those serving in combat? Judaism is a faith based on race, ethnicity and nationalism while the evangelical beliefs are based on social class, regionalism and politics. Should we examine how the two systems differ and why Judaism, as indicated in the IDF report, insulates troops from adjustment problems?
Are many, Jews, Christians, Muslims, those serving in combat or even as terrorists, using religion as an excuse for lack of conscience? Can devout religion in someone involved in military operations against civilians or in support of corrupt and unjust causes be a way of covering deep seated personality disorders and even psychopathic disease?
Unlike military personnel, insurgents or terrorists from Israel or remote areas of Afghanistan, American soldiers a barrage of conflicting ideas, especially when free of the highly edited “mothering” of Uncle Sam. While Israel has a tradition of valuing her troops, Americans have had mixed views of those protecting them, quick to blame troops when wars don’t go well or cost too much, quick to abandon POW’s, “John McCain style” at the end of each war and quick to shun combat vets as “damaged goods” as soon as the fighting is over.
Israel doesn’t do this.
Israeli’s returning from service, though Israel has never fought a protracted conflict, have, not only job guarantees and full socialized medicine but extensive subsidy for education, housing and subsistence for life, even without disability or even wartime service at all. The United States pays this for Israeli troops but won’t pay this for their own, American soldiers, some of whom have spent 4 or more years deployed.
Is this the difference?
Many American soldiers return from war, not just to prejudice based on race or class distinctions but to systematic persecution by federal bureaucracies, such as the Department of Veterans Affairs. Laws meant to protect soldiers, reservists and members of the National Guard from losing their homes or jobs when called up for deployment were openly ignored when the monied interests behind the Republican party asked the Bush administration to “ease up” on protections for troops.
Similarly, veterans disability payments were delayed, some for decades, medical care for many was denied and needed counseling programs were never implemented when Bush era wartime cutbacks of services to the military and veterans were implemented to subsidize tax cuts for the wealthy.
Israel would never do this.
Many around the world with access to private news organizations that are allowed to report Israeli abuses of Christian and Muslim citizens fail to recognize one of Israel’s strengths, other than the ability to obfuscate with the ease of breathing. Israel does take care of its own, its own Jews at least, including its soldiers. America takes better care of Israel than it does its own soldiers, certainly better than its own citizens.
The issue comes down to one of having a voice or not. With Jews in America controlling the press and media and 40% of the money and Israel controlling congress, Israeli interests are paramount to Americans in positions of power. Without Jews or Israel, the riches would stop flowing. This buying of influence could be seen as evil but for one thing, at least someone benefits, even though, perhaps less than deserving.
Do we blame Israel for buying American influence? Do we blame Israel for their derisive America when Americans do so much to earn that disrespect? When “Bibi” Netanyahu is caught bragging about how he can make America do anything he wants it to, is it bragging when he is right? Is he mocking America or stating a fact?
Would American troops be killing themselves, record numbers each month, if the people really supported them? Israel would never send its troops to Afghanistan. Israel would never fight except on their own terms, duping America into taking the brunt of casualties, and fighting for self interest, money, oil, land, always something of value, never ideas or dreams.
Is this why they respect their troops when America treats theirs like broken toys?
Today Israel is demanding America invade Iran. Republicans in congress are pushing through a resolution supporting this. Not one Israeli soldier will fight in such a war. Not one Israeli soldier will die. If America fights, win or lose, America will get nothing, American troops will get nothing, even lose what little they have.
Is Israel corrupt or is it America? Is this corruption a factor in PTSD? My guess is yes, a major factor, an unspoken factor and Israel has made the case for us, if only we would listen.
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I believe its called MORAL SUPPORT! Didja ever think maybe its Israel’s MANDATORY service requirement? Do that to Americans and there’d be a lot less PTSD stress.
I’ve preached and preached that we need to suit up EVERY American college girl and drop em in Afghanistan and the Taliban would be on the run in about 6 months.
Jeez, Sharon. You sound just like my Sharon! What gives?
T.
“Sharon” says: “I believe its called MORAL SUPPORT! Didja ever think maybe its (sic)Israel’s MANDATORY service requirement? Do that to Americans and there’d be a lot less PTSD stress.
“I’ve preached and preached that we need to suit up EVERY American college girl and drop em (sic) in Afghanistan and the Taliban would be on the run in about 6 months.”
Were you home-schooled? Dropped on your head? Taken off your meds?
With respect to American soldiers and PTSD, I think that there are a number of factors that affect their mental health. First, America’s use of pesticide byproducts (fluoride) in their water and toothpaste. Fluoride and aluminum (which binds to fluoride) interfere with the function of G-Proteins. G-Proteins carry signals between cells and are essential to coordinating the body’s complex electro-chemical endocrine system. Problems with G-Proteins will cause problems with the production of thyroid secretions, secretions from the hypothamalus, secretions from the testes and the ovaries—just to mention a few. Malfunction of any of these glandular systems will affect overall health, the function of the brain and neurochemistry.
Add to the burden of fluoride carried by American soldiers the USELESS (Google Dr. Thomas Jefferson and the Cochrane Institute) vaccinations given to them which are packed full of aluminum and other toxic metals and you have the basis for a series of neurological problems. Here’s one proof of the facts that I am alleging: recent studies have shown that vaccines cause brain swelling and swelling of the amygdala (a gland that controls competitive instinct, organizational skills relating to prioritization and ambition).
Then add the various pesticides used on American food many of which are neurotoxic and strengthen their effect with dehydration and trauma, it is very likely that there will be severe consequences and behavioral problems. Finally, much as was pointed out, the care that American military get is woeful compared to that of the Israelis.
Our military don’t get enough rest between assignments, something not likely to happen if the military was DRAFTED and everybody of every class had to serve. I don’t think that it is any accident that the care in the military started to get bad AFTER THE ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY WAS ESTABLISHED. If there were Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bushes etc. in the military, the care would be much better believe me.
My real preference would be that all militaries be abolished in favor of peace and other ways to settle disagreements. Since it is going to take time to change things to get to that point, I highly recommend that the draft be reinstated WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTIONS EXCEPT FOR ONLY CHILDREN OF MIDDLE AND LOWER INCOME FAMILIES. People with health problems could work in administrative functions. Making the children of the super rich have to fight would improve care, reduce the length of wars and give pause to the idiots declaring war.
Here is another important condition that needs to be imposed on warring in general. Nobody in public life whether an employee or elected official should be permitted to own stock or any kind of investments linked to war, munitions, weapons production, analysis etc. Nor could their spouse, children, siblings or relatives own these types of investments. It is technically forbidden under the Constitution and ethics laws, but neither is being enforced and they should be.
BTW, Gordon, evangelicals are not “political,” they vote in lower numbers than the rest of the country. Bush did not win because of the rumored 23 million evangelicals that he and Rove have often mentioned. I checked a survey of religious preference (Aris or somehthing similar). There aren’t 23 million evangelicals in this country. There are maybe 9 million and they don’t vote in large numbers. I HAVE MENTIONED THIS MANY TIMES, BUT HERE I GO AGAIN…BUSH DID NOT WIN EITHER ELECTION. Look at BlackBox Voting, look at Brad Blog or do what I did, get the actual numbers from every country and precinct in your state for the last elections. Try to make them balance out.
In New Mexico, Florida and Texas, there were big discrepancies. In some counties, there were more votes than VOTERS. There were other discrepancies such as black and Latino areas purportedly voting for Bush. I worked the polls in those areas in Texas and the voters definitely were not voting for him. Surveys by the WaPo just a couple of weeks after the 2004 elections revealed that neither black or Latinos “crossed over” to vote for Bush. In Texas, we had repeated instances of the electronic voting machines switching to Bush/Cheney after another ticket was selected.
For those who are serious about the problems confronting the troops.
This explains glands and gland receptors which are what fluoride locks on to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k-UKR2vGsk&feature=related
Glands
Fluorideaction.net has information on the glands affected by fluoride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7IPDfC3yg&feature=related
Doctor says that fluoridating water is dangerous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8ppB-wKEQ&feature=related
long term fluoride poisoning (notice the woman’s fatigue and disequilibrium. She has trouble standing upright BECAUSE of the toxic effects of fluoride.
Here is the worst part of all of this fluoride information. I read the original studies used to justify fluoridation of toothpaste and water. They were so scientifically weak and lacking in sound methodology that it is difficult to believe that they were used to justify a practice of 50 years that is probably going to be determined to have caused most of the terrible health and mental illness problems in the USA.
An excellent idea, not to allow public servants to invest in anything related to war, not even catering for food. The Zion Talmudic International Mafia was geared to have the PNAC put into effect, they rigged both elections of George W. Bush, and the Supreme Court went along with the scam of the 2nd term… The country is totally infiltrated and controlled by the most successful Mafia of all times: The Zionist one.
“I think that there are a number of factors that affect their mental health. First, America’s use of pesticide byproducts (fluoride) in their water and toothpaste. Fluoride and aluminum (which binds to fluoride) interfere with the function of G-Proteins.”
It’s a theory I guess, but isn’t helped particularly by the fact that the IDF also use toothpaste (I hope), and water is fluoridated in Israel. Something else must be knocking their ‘precious bodily fluids’ askew.
Sharon? Ariel Sharon??? I thought you were in a coma until I saw the youtube video of you loosing you swim trunks climbing out of the pool. Are those hot babes jewish or shiksa?????
Mike
Sorry, Sharon, I’m not worried about the “taliban”. I know who my enemies are!
Mike
You demonstrate one of the points so thoroughly outlined in the article Sharon and that is to miss the point completely.
I say we suit you up and drop you over Afghanistan.
Bombs Away!
Mike
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GD => If America brought her military home and forcibly started rounding up Catholics in a 21st century “trail of tears, perhaps resettling them to North Dakota, in league with Canada, walling them in to keep out building materials and “twinkies”…..
TD => What? No twinkies? That’s a bunch of crap! There are limits to inhumanity you know!
Tom D. Vet, First Cav, Jesuit Catholic trained and brained!
That’s why NYC and LA are filled with these emotional nut cases and therapists, and they aren’t veterans. Made my day with that headline! Immune to mental illness …wow. Guess that will suddenly be discovered under an old wall too and be announced as a great long lost scripture. Man, that is so funny.
Lol…Emotional nut cases only flock where they can be unnoticed. The fast pace of the two cities help achieve the placement of these people to blend in. It is really easy to find a non-native in LA, but NYC you can find both groups.
The Israeli soldiers might not get PTSD but they give a large number of Palestinian children PTSD. From an article by the insightful, humanitarian Stephen Lendman:
A Gaza Community Mental Health Program study found 94.6% of children witnessed bombings and killings. Another Israeli Adler Research Center one showed 70% of West Bank children suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
In its April 2008 report, the Palestinian Ministry of Detainees and Ex-Detainees Affairs said over 7,000 children had been arrested since the start of the second Intifada, 360 still in detention, some as young as 10, treated harshly like adults, in violation of international law requiring special treatment for children.
Of these, 145 have been sentenced, 200 still await trial, and 15 are administratively held without charge. The report also explained that about 500 other prisoners were arrested as youths, turning 18 in prison.
Other data confirmed around 75 children ill, not being treated, nearly all tortured by being beaten, hooded, painfully shackled and deprived of sleep for several days in the shabeh position – hands and legs bound to a small chair, at times from behind to a pipe affixed to the wall, painfully slanted forward, hooded with a filthy sack, and played loud music nonstop through loudspeakers.
Most children were arrested at home (77%), some at play, others at demonstrations. Most are students, some waiting over two years for a trial, becoming ill from poor food, hygiene, and lack of healthcare.
PMH also reported that 31.4% of killed children were shot in the head, another 32.5% in the chest, showing intent to kill, soldiers often firing at close range and committing murder – part of their training and indoctrination from kindergarten to be warriors and Arab-haters, Amnesty International (AI) responding in a press release saying:
“The majority of Palestinian children have been killed in the Occupied Territories when members of the IDF responded to demonstrations and stone throwing incidents with unlawful and excessive use of lethal force. Eighty Palestinian children were killed by the IDF in the first three months of the Intifada alone.”
The Palestinian Prisoners Club reported that 95% of children are tortured, 85% to confess under duress and sign Hebrew documents they can’t read or understand.
For over six decades, over four under occupation, Israel has pursued a ruthless, violent, racist policy of slow-motion genocide against millions of Palestinians, especially children, to cripple new generations physically and emotionally, to crush their spirit to resist, to harden a ruthless colonial agenda in violation of fundamental international humanitarian law with respect to basic human freedoms, self-determination, and the right of people to live freely on their own land in peace.
http://rense.com/general91/palch.htm
Barak Obama has mentioned the unbreakable bond with Israel. I wonder if he is aware of the information in this article. I wonder how the Christian Zionists would react if they read this article.
I wonder if Barak Obama and our memebrs of congress would support this evil behavior if the children in Palestine had blonde hair and blue eyes.
There is also this from the article:
Nothing is too brutal or extreme, including against women and children, one 15-year old saying he was stripped naked, forced into an extremely painful position, then burned by lit cigarettes to make him confess. Others are tortured to collaborate. A 10-year old said “They beat me on various parts of my body with plastic hoses. I had to have a surgical operation to have a platinum transplant in my arm. They kept me naked for a whole night, handcuffed and blindfolded; and I was not allowed to go to the toilet for two days!”
The Palestinian Prisoners Club reported that 95% of children are tortured, 85% to confess under duress and sign Hebrew documents they can’t read or understand.
Okay, Perhaps it’s because Israeli forces are brought up to accept the killing of women and children from an early age while mot American forces are not. But this title is funny (to me).
Washington DC gives Israel over three billion dollars every year. Israel then drops that 3 billion into their stock market penny stock scheme quadrupling it into 12 billion. Then they order and purchase improvised explosive devices which kill and wound American forces. The wounded are then prescribed pain and psychotropic medications via contracts with Israel owned drug companies. So, are these IED’s supplied by the Is_rael_ees who get the money from the American_ees our friends; such as in, öur special relationship?”
That’s pretty much it!
mike
Gordon, you must possess a conscience to suffer the affects of PTSD.
I don’t know if it’s conscience, Equalizer, but sometimes PTSD can drive Gordon over the wall of humor. Sometimes it’s really good to laugh at this crap, and this WAS funny in places.
BTW, Gordon, I’ve never known a person “possessed” with radical Judaism — or raised by a Jewish mother — who didn’t have a serious case of inferiority complex, often suppressed by bullyism. If that weird combo means those folks are immune to mental illness, so be it.
But remember who did the study. It was those afflicted! Sensitive officers? Ha! I don’t think they would recognize PTSD if they sat in the middle of it.
I hope they do well in this world, all by themselves. Israel is heading for a severe case of self-brought on isolationism.
T.V.
Exactly, Equalizer!!!!
PTSD is caused by conscience not a anti-psychotic drug deficiency. Conscience was made by God anti-psychotic drug molecules by man.
You don’t need to be a genius of NY psychiatrist to understand PTSD.
Psychopaths and sociopaths do not have a conscience so they are immune to PTSD. Israel is raising a whole generation of such superior “humans”.
Mike
Now, if they could only create immunity to sociopathy/psychopathy instead of spreading the disease, humanity would be in business!!!!
Mike
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/07/bp-plot.html
The plot:
Exxon does not have enough oil fields.
(Is Exxon Mobil’s future running dry? – MSN Money / Exxon Reserves – WSJ.com)
Reportedly, Exxon wants to take over BP.
Allegedly, sabotage takes place.
The BP share price drops and BP becomes a takeover target.
To further hurt BP, the US blames BP for the release of the innocent Megrahi.
Reportedly, the evidence in the Lockerbie trial was faked to cover up ‘alleged’ CIA drug smuggling involving Monzer al Kassar.
The drug smuggling was to have been revealed by Major Charles McKee and his team who were travelling on PanAm 103 with their evidence.
The oil spill story may have been exaggerated?
Around 750 boats drafted in to scoop up oil from the Gulf of Mexico are having ‘trouble’ finding any crude in the sea, a top US official has said.
“We are starting to have trouble finding oil,” US pointman Admiral Thad Allen, who is in charge of handling the government’s response, told reporters.
The boats are “really having to search for the oil in some cases” around the area of the capped well, he added. (AFP: Gulf boats having trouble finding any oil: US official)
(Thanks to Dublin Mick for the link)
The USA is angry that BP is to drill for oil off the coast of Libya. (BP to begin deep-water drilling off coast of Libya)
If Exxon takes over BP, Exxon gets more oil, including that off the coast of Libya.
In 1975, the CIA’s Philip Agee testified that he had conducted personal name checks of employees for a subsidiary of what is now Exxon.
Exxon was “letting the CIA assist in employment decisions, and my guess is that those name checks…are continuing to this day.” (Philip Agee – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Thanks for bringing this report to light and brilliantly contrasting it with the treason of our government in subjugating our people to the Zionist yoke. Their hubris and contempt for average Americans who do their dying for them and pay nearly all their bills is staggering. In ’74, my wife and I went to a mostly Jewish party in Jackson Heights, NY, where we were living at the time, and where several of the guests were Jewish-Americans recently returned from volunteering with the IDF. The two of us were dumbfounded by the vicious criticism and contempt these Jews heaped on my head as a Vietnam combat vet, hissing in my face how superior they were to us in combat and that “they” didn’t need our soldiers, just our money. My wife could have kicked the crap out of all of them at once, and the one trait they don’t have, in my opinion, is courage, and this will tell in time. Always the terrorist, never the warrior.
Dan , I have had encounters with Jewish-Americans
and the “DARTH CHUTZPAH” is the rule not the exception
18 in college and three drunk assholes from NEW JERSEY( “chosen”)
cornered me in the dorm for amusement , I went right at the front guy
and they pulled back, PANSY ASSHOLES
“and the one trait they don’t have, in my opinion, is courage, and this will tell in time”
You are absolutely correct, the time has come though in South Lebanon where their true self was on display, cowards and terrorists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvjTBT67GAE
Perhaps The (IDF) can just go and fight their own wars ,without our support,
A.I.P.A.C. VAMPIRES SO EAGER TO KICK OFF THE THIRD & LAST WORLD WAR.
Neoconservatives who were instrumental in orchestrating the Iraq War, such as Bill Kristol and Reuel Marc Gerecht, have led the stepped up calls for military action. ………..bunch of creeps
Hawkish former Bush administration official John Bolton recently laid out the game plan to prod Israel into attacking Iran, arguing that outsiders can “create broad support” for a strike by framing it as an issue of Israel’s right to self-defense.
Supporters for military strikes, Bolton says, should “defend the specific tactic of pre-emptive attacks” against Iran.
….bunch of creeps
………………………………
Pre-emptive attacks against EXTREMIST REGIMES because of the grave threat
posed by their possession of (“weapons of mass destruction”) or
the “supposed” “potential” for possession of same is a
BIG THEME/POLICY of A.I.P.A.C.
Do we not all know of an EXTREMIST REGIME that is known absolutely
to have (“Weapons of Mass Destruction”) ???????
You can find it on a map next to Lebanon,Syria,Jordan.
Perhaps some sanctions,blockades, and “dis-arming” this rogue regime
is the only possible sane course of action.
PERHAPS AMERICA COULD LEAD A REGIONAL ALLIANCE & FORM A PACT
OF MUTUAL DEFENSE AGAINST THIS SATANIC SOCIOPATH RELIGIOUS CULT REGIME.
WHAT IS A LAWFUL & CONSTITUTIONAL COURSE OF ACTION WHEN A
SATANIC SOCIOPATH RELIGIOUS CULT HAS TAKEN OVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ??
It is curious that eleven million times we have all heard
the “phrase” or “discussion” of “SEPERATION OF CHURCH & STATE”,
NOT ONCE EVER HAS ANYONE ON BIG BEAST T.V.
DISCUSSED “SEPARATION OF TEMPLE & STATE ”
WITH ADL/SPLC/JDL/A.I.P.A.C. RUNNING THE FBI,ATF,DHS
…….to defend against all enemies , foreign & domestic…….
J.F.K. our Last American President.
AFTER J.F.K. IT HAS BEEN ALL A.I.P.A.C ALL THE TIME
…COREXIT BEING USED BY THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS
TO DESTROY AMERICAN FOOD CROPS & POISON THE AIR & THE LAKES,RIVERS,WELLS,
part of the ongoing operation to induce FAMINE !!,
To complement the agenda of MONSANTO !
SHIELD YOUR CHILDREN FROM THE BIO-CHEMICAL INJECTIONS
GET THE SODIUM FLUORIDE OUT OF THE MUNICIPAL WATER
You said a mouthful, Rick, and I totally concur!!
Our young men have been dying for Israel since WWI under the delusion that they were fighting for our freedom.
Watch out this winter – they’re going to try again to inject everyone with toxic vaccines.
This fall will commence the beginning of the “great tribulation.” The world will feel its pain.
I have an older friend who was a POW during the Korean war and now a retired teacher. I told him about the article concerned and he had two comments. The first was if the Israeli defense dept. feels their troops are not affected by PTSD they are full of it. The second point raised is those torturing young people, if they have any type of conscience or moral fiber, they also will be affected by PTSD. I like the point made and supported by my friend that perhaps Israel should handle its own problems, if they feel that tough!
smaj One of the first things I learned in combat war and a firefight are not accompanied with music in the back ground and US Marines die very quickly.
We’re talking about a completely different mind set between Isreal and the US.
The Isrealis are SURROUNDED by muslim countries and since the late 1940′s have been on a TOTAL war footing for survival. This particular mind set has been going on for so long that I believe they ( Mossad & Company) have become what they detest the most, capable of acts that under international law are unconscionable.
Gordo — another brilliant take on how different society’s approach on the mental health of their military sometimes reaches ludicrous levels.
Sure, we ‘re talking of different mind sets: One acquired from birth to the grave: the concept of “The Chosen People”, considering kosher (permitted by the Talmudic Laws) to lie -deceive-maim-slaughter the GOYIM (non Jews, considered by the “chosen” as unhuman), the other: all humans are equals.IDF claim that its hordes, who never fought a regular war, except against Palestinian unarmed women or children armed w. stones or HR activits armed with loudspkr like R. Corrie, do not suffer PTSD is Myth building.
B.S., Mr Zionist!
mike
“The Isrealis are SURROUNDED by muslim countries”
I wonder how all these mulim countries just popped up arrount the shittylittlestate.
Cry me a fucking river. The Talmud is not a land deed.
“If America brought her”
America is a continent, not a country.
And it has no gender.
I think if you were bombed,shot at,kidnapped every day you could fight and not be affected. And yes most officers in our military arent worth a shit the only thing most care about is another medal or higher rank. I suffer from ptsd not from combat so to speak but the leadership i was under.The last war that was worth fighting was ww 2 and we were attacked, we had ptsd back then but it wasnt as profound as what we have now, they were proud and treated well and most officers made it in the field instead of west point,and knew what it was like and knew how to lead.When you are attacked you want to fight and protect yourself but when we attack someone with lies it is a whole differant thing the willpower isnt there.
I hope i made sense,Im just angry at the power we have to put up with and we need to get us out of the mideast and start takeing care of those affected no questioned asked. Dan Fry viet nam 1970
July 24, 2010 – Kevin Barrett Show (audio)
Kevin Barrett strikes up a conversation with Gordon Duff, Senior Editor, Veterans Today. Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and regular contributor on political and social issues.
http://edwardrynearson.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/kevin-barrett-gordon-duff/
Thank you for posting this link, Edward…excellent Gordon!!!
Bunk: “NO PTSD IN IDF, JEWS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS”
These folks would disagree with the Israeli Neo-Con Mentallity, Israelli-Palestinian: “Combatants For Peace” http://cfpeace.org/ just talk to those who do the fighting in now both warrior societies like those from this group.
PTS isn’t only a result of military soldiers fighting in wars, nor just to them, or in defense thus disregarding those especially masses of civilians occupied and not being able to leave after a tour of duty and it ignores as has always been the misdiagnoses in civilian populations of people who live through extreme traumatic events or children abused etc.!
Israel has a warrior mentality, their population is fed that they are hated by all around them and more, all are enemies of the state especially those they control the Palestinians and they are required to serve that state against their many enemies as they are taught from childhood on! It might minimize what they view as PTS but it changes the results as to those who suffer from, like many who move on to mercenary work from among them and all cultures they have moved into their nightmares to control them living them out where ever they can find another battle, they have become the dangerous that some do from untreated PTS. Like those in societies who torture prisoners or oppositions as well.
Some breakaway and realize what they’ve become is not what they were taught in other area’s of life development from childhood, messages from religious ideologies, what’s right and what’s wrong, treating others as you yourself would like them to treat you etc. etc., the good things of life of an intelligent being.
Some civilians who go untreated also start living in their long time nightmares, that’s their self treatment when the drugs etc. don’t work.
A far more accurate PTSD comparison would be between IDF and Nazi Concentration
Camp Guards.
Where’s the “Trauma” in occasional Recreational Extermination Jaunts into The world’s “Largest Open Air Shooting Gallery”; Gaza?
IDF is no legitimate “Military Force’ as a Rag Tag, Out Gunned, Outnumbered, Hezbollah Defenders/ Resistance members Proved in the recent “Lebanon Marathon”.
IDF’s Craven Retreat included a post Peace Treaty spreading of still lethal Cluster Bomblettes over Lebanon’s Civilian Areas that maim and Kill even today.
That’s a “Military Force”?????
Soon after being discharged from an Army Airborne Unit in 1972, I hitch hiked, walked, traveled via donkey cart, camel back throughout the Mid East (1973) just to see if the “Evil Muslims” Media mantra was a lie too. I was treated with overwhelming kindness and generosity in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Syria, Turkey Lebanon etc. The question I was most frequently asked was: “Why do Americans suddenly hate us?”
I tried to explain the destructive influence of our Ziono-media bias , AIPAC’s policy control but they gave Americans more credit. After about 10-11 months, I ended up working in a Palestinian Refugee Camp in southern Lebanon until the ’73 War broke out and got involved in THAT too where I witnesses even MORE IDF Thuggish Sadism.
At the soon destroyed Refugee Camp where the REAL Trauma existed, I saw wounds, cigarette burns lash marks etc. There, the Atrocities of Nakba were fresh (and worthy of display in that Member’s Only Holocaust Museum Pity Park
I had already had experience with what modern munitions do to human flesh but Nakba Survivors’ Wounds were sadistically Unique; oddly shattered knees etc etc.
Sorry, I have little sympathy for the most Ruthless, Arrogant and Sadistic Concentration Camp Guards/ Twisted Thugs / Occupiers in History.
At least the Wehrmacht fought their OWN wars and more ethically too while “Greater Israel’s” Zionist parasites Extort AMERICAN BLOOD to do their Lebensraum, Regional Hegemony, Land Grabs. (Iraq, Afghanistan and , soon harmless Iran?
There’s a Reason Israel Hides Gaza from the World’s Eyes.
Gaza’s Zionist Tormentors deserve the same Nuremberg Justice earned by their earlier Co-Genocidal, Pure Race, Expansionist Ideologues.
WE MUST LIBERATE OUR GOVERNMENT FROM ZIONIST PUPPET MASTERS FOR THE U.S. TO SURVIVE
Holocaust ll “Now Playing in Gaza”:
“Norman G. Finkelstein » At what point does it become too close for comfort?” http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/at-what-point-does-it-become-too-close-for-comfort/
Well said Gray. I concur to every fact you mentionned about how psycho-elements of IDF act against mostly unarmed Palestinians. In a conversation I had in 2007 with Dr Norman Finkelstein, I suggested that the only viable solution for peace in Palestine is the One State option. He said: “They [the Israeli] do not even accept the idea of a Twot States Solution”. We definitely have a Rogue State with equally rogue killers, who have managed to bring USA-EU down to their knees: Time to stand up-fight back.
Thanks Mr. (ms?) Rechtstein,
I’m very familiar with the teachings of Dr. Finkelstein and the amount of courage it takes for the many honorable, compassionate and ethical Jews it takes to stand up to Zionist Megalomaniacs.
The Question ALL rational and loyal Americans ask is “What can I do to change this Travesty: AIPAC’S Control of Congress, America’s Ziono-Media Monopoly. The soaking of distant soil with AMERICAN BLOOD “for Israel’s Security” etc etc.
Try to get ANYTHING printed, reported etc in Major US Media that is Less then Flattering to Israel’s Butchery, Genocide, Extortion, innumerable Atrocities………GOOD LUCK.
So What I do is, First, Research get your facts straight, and share credible sites and Realities WHERE EVER YOU CAN.
“Topix http://www.topix.com/world/israel is one Uncensored Forum where I cast my humble & often Reviled Pearls.
Share “Cold water in the face facts” where you can: i.e. Israel’s DELIBERATE attack on the USS Liberty & etc
However, I’m always open for suggestions……ANYTHING but…Give Up.
Many Thanks,
Gray
If you’re taught from birth that you are superior to us commoners and we are to be used like cattle, butchered at will, then you probably won’t develop PTSD when shooting unarmed civilians in the back or pregnant mothers in the stomach.
But I can still recall those videos of the IDF retreating from Lebanonn in 2006, after getting their asses kicked and some of the returning troops were crying like babies.
Taught from the time their knee-high, “Everyone hates you because you’re so much smarter than they are.”
I think the question is: If a Jew were to become “mentally ill”, would anyone be able discern it?
you are right Nelson. I laughed out loud at the title of the article because every time there is a citizen-committed massacre Israel claims it was committed by a “lone madmen.” In the 1980s-1990s there were so many massacres by “lone madmen” that it was clear that Israel was full of madmen, and for Israel to even make the claim that they are immune to mental illness proves your statement.
if Israel was involved in a war in another country, i beleave she would run the other way. a big mouth but nothing to back it up.
Oh but they have our weapons from atomic to zed to back it up. Courage, like so many thing other things we celebrated, is relegated to the past. Before very long, if not already, I don’t think the US will be able to win a military victory over Israel. We’re just going to trust that she will always be our special friend and never treat us like Palestinians.
Of course they have no ptsd. They are trained from a young age that non-jews are livestock.
Therefore they can kill humans without feeling that they are human.
Any questions?
You are absolutely right James
Read the Talmud to understand why the Zionist Parasites are demented Savages!
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile (“Cuthean”) the wages owed him for work.
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile (“heathen”) it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who “marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean…”
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.”
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years “and a day” old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing.”
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
And many more words of wisdom and fine moral values.
I believe I read a few years ago, where IDF soldiers commit suicide at a higher rate than almost any other army in the word. If that is true, then I question how or why they would not also develope PDST. Unless of course they are committing suicide at a higher enough rate to eliminate the possibility of developed PDST later on in life
I say we concede Israel’s point. Our troops are inferior. Let’s bring them home and let Israelis fight and die for their own country. If Iran is a threat to Israel, let Israelis fight Iran alone. If Russia comes into the fight on the side of Iran, great; let Israel take care of Russia. If Israel can’t handle Russia, oh well. Let us stop giving Israel $5 billion a year. Let us also stop supporting Israel in the UN and elsewhere. Let us stop supplying Israel with weapons. Let us also stop letting Israeli spies run rampant in our country. Make AIPAC and ADL register as foreign agents. Let us revoke the US citizenship and residency of anyone who serves in the military or government of other countries, including Israel.
Then we might see some PTSD in Israel.
Richard
You may be right. Americans may be unworthy. I concede your point, all combat from now on should involve only Israeli troops, especially in Afghanistan, where enough of them are with the Taliban already.
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If they will be fighting all sides with no other dogs in the fight, then who will pay for it? Does that mean America won’t be paying for it any more??
Mike
Amen to that!
Not one American dollar, not one American life for Israel.
Here is the problem: the French effect. We saved the French in WWII and they have never stopped hating us for it. Same thing is happening in Israel; they hate us for helping them. Actually, both the French and the Israelis hate us because they NEED our help, but it feels like the same hate from our side. We should have left France to the Germans in WWI. That’s World War One. For you American public school grads, that’s the war in which Hitler served as a corporal.
We need to cut Israel off of American welfare, just like the “Cadillac welfare mother” with twelve kids made famous in American political campaigns. Bumper sticker: “I fight poverty; I work!” Israel needs to do likewise.
[...] ISRAEL CLAIMS “NO PTSD IN IDF, JEWS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS” [...]
It is because they fight against people who are unable to fight back. None of them or very few of them are ever killed. None of them have ever seen their comrades slaughtered. They are bullies and cowards, psychos who believe god is on their side. It is easy to kill people who can’t fight back. It is easy to inflict trauma on those who can’t inflict it back.
I totally agree. The US, Isreal and British forces have not fought any army with the ability to fight back for the past 55 years. And the few times they did get caught in isolated battles where the enemy had something close to equal fire power they got their asses handed to them on a platter. After which they come back whining and complaining about the lack of artillary and air support etc. In fact, one of their major complaints about Gen. McCrystal centered around the the fact that he was allowing them to fight the enemy without the advantage of overwhelming air support etc. It is very easy for any army to acquire a self image of bravery and invincibility when all they ever face is an enemy armed with rocks and sling shots.
Throw these two words at Google:
—-> IDF, marijuana
Be surprised
Quite simple explanation really, Ashkenazis’ don’t have a conscience. I do mean that literally.
Easy to not get PTSD when the Americans do all the dying for you, and what “enemies” you do fight have little more than stones and sticks with which to attack you.
The answer is very simple – psychopaths, having no conscience, do not suffer from PTSD.
you need to be human to suffer from Post Traumatic Stress….
re.. ISRAEL CLAIMS “NO PTSD IN IDF, JEWS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS”
kind of ironic.. given their entire foreign policy is born out of paranoid schizophrenia
GIVE ME 5 MINUTES IN A ROOM WITH ANY OF HEM AND THEY WILL BEE TRUE BELIEVERS IN PTSD
[...] Duff, staff writer for Veterans Today, wrote recently: "Today’s Israeli National News Service quoted a study on Post Traumatic [...]
Psychopaths who get a sexual thrill from cold-blooded murder do not get post-traumatic stress syndrome. They get an orgasm.
God isn’t dead.
All is known.
All will see.
The lying, thieves and murderers,
will pay dearly.
Praise God.