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GORDON DUFF: AMERICA’S ARMY, A TALE OF MISUSE AND ABUSE
WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS
BRUTAL OCCUPATION TROOPS OR SAVIORS, YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
“Yes, even without Wikileaks we always knew that such things were happening and now we know that altered versions of some of our reports and additional forgeries have been mixed in with documents meant to incriminate Iran.”
For nearly a decade, America has been, in the eyes of the world, the successor to Nazi Germany. Last week, nearly 77% of Australians polled (over 10,000 respondents) considered the 9/11 terror attacks an American “false flag” and that nation has troops in Afghanistan fighting alongside Americans. Imagine what nations that oppose American involvement think?
Whatever the percentage blaming America or Israel or both for 9/11, 30% or 90%, the numbers don’t matter. The justification for war, seen as blatantly illegitimate, aggression, invasion and bullying, doesn’t stand, not among the people of the world, certainly not any more. It also doesn’t stand well with America’s troops as well. “Volunteer” doesn’t mean “stupid.”
American troops, raring to go, punish the terrorists, find the weapons of mass destruction, root Al Qaeda out of Iraq are older now, wiser, many are dead, hundreds of thousands damaged, many beyond repair and most of all, they feel exploited, misused and abused.
American troops didn’t sign up to be part of a force of occupation, there is no honor in that.
A key component, in fact the primary component of these “wars” has been “counter-insurgency” or “irregular warfare” or whatever buzzword the Pentagon is using today to describe people fighting against Americans exactly the same way Americans fought against the British at Lexington and Concord. If the Minutemen had IEDs and RPGs, they would have used them and been seen as heroes for it. Anyone who thinks our own troops aren’t faced by this irony on a daily basis are underestimating their intellect.
Troops and civilians have never mixed. Civilians are quickly reclassified as “suspected terrorists” or even “hostiles” at the drop of a hat. No army in the history of warfare has successfully occupied any conquered nation without resorting to both brutality and a “Quisling/Vichy” regime as a partner.
Seldom are there military operations among a population unless the force is an invader, an occupier, propping up a puppet government using brutality and intimidation. We have many examples without going very far, two wars with Germany. Nations seldom need saviors to come in, blow everything up, convert people to Christianity at gunpoint and spread venereal disease. The Spanish tried this 500 years ago and they are now a debt ridden backwater.
You can’t walk across a street in Europe without seeing a memorial to someone executed by the Nazi’s or even the Kaiser’s troops. The conquest of the America West was an occupation combined with an ethnic cleansing, deeply parallel to the “restoration” of Israel to the Jews. A “people” exist, live and build, become a nation, if even only in a spiritual sense, these are the Palestinians. Their land is coveted, nice beaches, good location.
G-d gave Judea to people of the Jewish religion, a group that is 95% converts from a continent away, it was “given” and it was taken and held by force. We call this “occupation.” Similarly, god gave America the west through “manifest destiny.” The story is always the same. Even Americans are occupiers but, as is convenient after an ethnic cleansing, as with Palestine or America, when nobody is left to complain, the problem goes away.
When American troops gave blankets to the Cherokees being forcibly “removed”, blankets known to be infected with small pox, was this a holocaust? It is known as the “Trail of Tears.” It is history, so much history that it is even taught in schools in America, and that’s saying a lot.
Today, the culture with the guns and the German trained military wins. We all learned from the experts. Might makes right and the survivors are put into concentration camps, or reservations or “Gaza” or whatever is popular. When they resist, when they even speak up, they are exterminated. They had become “terrorists” or “renegades.”
This kind of war of conquest is simple. If you win, the label sticks, “terrorist” or “insurgent” or “Taliban.” If you lose, they become freedom fighters, patriotic resistance, heroes or martyrs.
If you lose, you become war criminals, murderers and barbarians. War criminals, losers, face “Nuremberg” or hanging as with Saddam. In America, they retire to Dallas and write a book.
The most powerful military force known to man has a new direction today, not dominance of space, the air or the seas nor protection of the United States and its interests. America babysits poppy fields, oil pipelines and stands guard over corrupt dictators and druglords. We train our soldiers to kick in doors, throw in a grenade and hope the dead aren’t all small children. 400,000 recent veterans who have filed for disability due to stress related illnesses brought on from such duties tell the tale.
There are shades of Vietnam in this, not just My Lai. When helicopter crews reported,
“We were told, whenever we saw a unarmed male between 12 and 60, open up near them. If they move, kill them, they are VC.”
WIKILEAKS
Imperfect as Wikileaks are, the video showing the helicopter attack in Iraq actually went further than this. Two American Apache helicopters with advanced optics and in full radio contact with base, not only wiped out local militia working for the Americans as part of the “Sunni Awakening” but destroyed a vehicle with unarmed civilians including children. Reports from Fallujah now indicate that what we were told about that “great battle” is almost entirely false.
One of the staff writers at Veterans Today reviewed the recent Wikileaks output and made the following comments:
“I wrote countless SIGACT reports. The ones I found on Wikileaks are not as I wrote them. Due to the previous statement(s) it is unknown just how much of that data is altered or changed or can even be believed. When one views the Wikileaks Iraq War Diaries I want the civilian population to be proud that our very small Army was capable of holding that vast territory, with an insurgency everywhere; and when the average reader can now see that children were regularly used as weapons against the troops, that bombs were everywhere (literally), no place was ever safe, the Police and Iraqi Army were untrustworthy if not criminal, and the ROE itself complicated matters by placing troops between a rock and a hard place. Perhaps that may place a better perspective on allegations of mistreatment and violation of the ROE and using the Wikileaks documents to make political statements”.
I viewed the Guardian UK’s Iraq War Logs interactive piece and was amazed at how crazy that one day was. I was there that day, and I had my tail handed to me that month, along with the rest of the forces. The sad part is, that I feel the Wikileaks release is missing most of what actually happened that day, and based upon my personal recollection I would say that only about 1/3 of the events of October 17, 2006 actually made it into the Wikileaks release. I suppose I am rambling here, and now I think you can see the dilemma in my head. How the heck do you deliver this story? From what perspective? And worst of all, how do you make the troops look good (because they were and are) and try and convince a public that only cares about shopping, that these reports are not glass half empty, they are quite the opposite, they are glass half full? Do I just say it? Hey America, the troops are the shit because we should all feel lucky that any Iraqi’s lived at all. That is just presumptuous and arrogant but very true. These kids do need to feel proud that they didn’t waste every single person they saw. Or do we stay out of this mess altogether?”
Of course, there are no lessons from Wikileaks as the receipt of altered and forged documents, can add nothing positive toward a realistic analysis of anything other than the motive of those responsible and their agenda. Thus we can easily say,
“Yes, we always knew that such things were happening and now we know that altered versions of some of our reports and additional forgeries can be mixed in with documents meant to incriminate Iran.”
WHAT WE HAVEN’T LEARNED
After D-Day, Germany had two classes of military units in France to fight off the allied landings, combat units and occupation forces. No combat unit could remain as an “occupation” force and still be considered “effective.” Occupation is a police activity at best and a criminal activity at worst. Any army that becomes an occupying force is no longer an army. Any army that trains for “hearts and minds” operations, will degenerate into something with little combat effectiveness, no discipline and severe morale problems.
It will turn into an army of PTSD victims.
If anything, “garrison duty” in a hostile environment is the worst of all worlds with the worst soldiers allowed to abuse civilians, get involved in rackets and “suck” their way into the hearts of an increasingly dispirited officer corps. The best and brightest leave for the private sector, contractor jobs, advanced education and the job of holding families together while those who remain, a combination of the dedicated and the “dead beats” become, well, exactly what we are seeing.
When reports began coming in from Afghanistan that units “in the field,” really “occupation forces,” were “fragging” civilians and randomly murdering people along the road, intimidating, not only squad members but NCOs and officers as well, we knew how far things had gone. In Vietnam, officers and senior NCOs eventually had to barricade themselves into small fortresses within American bases, little “Dien Bien Phu’s,” as it were. Gunfire inside compounds, frag grenades, tear gas, all became a daily part of life. The war between the LIFERs (Lazy Ignorant F&%$#’s Evading Reality) and the “heads” (drug users) was eventually more deadly than combat.
The “volunteer army” that was meant to end all that, when worn to nothing, betrayed and eventually “sold down the river” by both the Department of Defense and Veterans Affairs, lasted as long as it could.
HEROIC SOLDIERS FIGHTING FOR A GOVERNMENT OF WAR CRIMINALS
Despite the press releases, TV dramas and news reports, there is no terrorist organization called Al Qaeda. There never has been. None of the “intelligence” about Al Qaeda and Iraq proved correct, quite the contrary, it proved to be purposefully false, created to justify an illegal invasion, created at the request of the President of the United States. Our government was controlled by war criminals and the invasion of Iraq and even Afghanistan are considered by every responsible expert in international law as criminal acts.
The idea of invading Afghanistan looking for Osama bin Laden, the man someone said was responsible for 9/11 is even more treasonous. Though the US State Department at www.america.gov claims bin Laden is responsible for 9/11 and admitted such, that statement is totally untrue as is every other assertion of fact on America’s “9/11 debunking” website. The site is maintained so poorly and updated so irregularly, that it disputes things that have long been admitted as fact by our own officials. www.america.gov is an embarrassment.
9 years later, we are in Afghanistan, tasked with destroying an insurgency we built and eliminating the worlds largest narcotics empire, which is run by our closest allies with our direct protection. Is this clear?
Does anyone think our soldiers are so stupid they don’t see this? When America went into Iraq, it took with it, wanted criminals, known gangsters hated by Iraq, to rule the country. In Afghanistan, we forced “outsiders” from the “Northern Alliance” on the majority of Afghan’s, the fearless Pashtun tribesman, who will stop at nothing to destroy the United States and eliminate the insult of being placed under occupation by foreign tribesmen they see as criminal and backward.
We put a weak ruler, Hamid Karzai, in charge of the government, someone hated by all sides, accused of every imaginable crime, most of all “weakness.” There is no greater sin in Afghanistan than “weakness.”
Then we left an occupation army there, drones killing thousands, Special Forces death squads tasked with “decapitating” insurgency leaders, involved in one bungled operation after another and finally, some of our troops roaming the countryside as murderers and rapists. Worse than that, the troops themselves know this went on in Iraq, the same “bad apples” there simply moved on to Afghanistan, the Army didn’t care and knew that, in the end, nobody at the top of the food chain would end up being stuck with the bill.
All this, and we plan to stay forever and ever and, if Israel has its way, institute a draft and send 400,000 troops into Iran so we can continue the same and more on a larger scale for another century.
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I think that it is all becoming clear now. The 9/11 provocation was the successful false flag operation that the failed USS Liberty attack was meant to be. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaCjkdueA5o.
I read an interesting comment in Asia news, basically someone in the US Gov asked someone in the Chinese Gov why they supported Pakistan and they replied that it was their Israel. I wonder if this is why the US is currently putting so much pressure on China.
A Rupert Murdoch news site had the story below, I wonder if it is being used in the US as a military recruitment drive.
Working at Disney worse than fighting Taliban
http://www.news.com.au/business/working-at-disney-worse-than-fighting-taliban/story-e6frfm1i-1225944441071
Also, two other stories in the news;
1) the French Gov says it is going to pull its military out of Afghanistan in 2011, and you guessed it,
2) Osama Bin Laden, complete with Video footage of him, has made a threat against the French Gov telling them they have to pull their troops out of Afghanistan.
Obviously the French Gov decided to pull their troops out before the FAKE Bin Laden tapes were made, but it could also be viewed in the reverse.
China supplied helped produce N Technology for Pakistan years ago, this provoked India, Russia is main arms supplier to India. China built high speed railway to Tibet for military build-up on Indian border. Just some of the basics.
OS
You will find that Israel is the prime weapons supplier to India. There is MUCH more to this than you imagine including the development of ICBMs for Israel, stolen plans for the F-35 and a new plant in India to peddle American stealth technology to the world, a partnership between Israeli spies, India and Russians.
Every American secret defense technology has been stolen by Israel, moved to India and is being remarketed to the world.
This is the real NEWS.
g
Gordon,
Yes, more then can be said. We discussed this before, my concern was the X-Companies created for short term use, as stated before one sold to UK Corporation for purpose of cover-up. I don’t doubt the operations you’re stating, and understand how technologies are passed for favor and other business activities, even though this affects the National Security of United States. I have stopped this in several cases, but there’s too much activity and quite dangerous. My concern is security of United States, and technologies being passed all across the globe. And as stated CN passed N Technology to Pakistan and another reason for your information and connecting the dots. Sorry we can discuss more.
However, there maybe a connection between what you first stated, and what I first stated. Or maybe not, what do you think? No answer is necessary.
The “Puppet Masters”, regardless of the strings you cut, their able to re-attach faster then you can cut.
You will find that Israel is the prime weapons supplier to India. There is MUCH more to this than you imagine including the development of ICBMs for Israel, stolen plans for the F-35 and a new plant in India to peddle American stealth technology to the world, a partnership between Israeli spies, India and Russians.
Every American secret defense technology has been stolen by Israel, moved to India and is being remarketed to the world.
This is the real NEWS.
g
hmmm
I believe you
I wonder why India
Why India? It’s a numbers game.
…accused of every imaginable crime…”
thats a feather in his cap in my opinion
I guess you would know better than me, but Karzai seems like a really good guy to me,
Karzai is a nutter.
g
That’s putting it mildly, g.
He’s a former Unocal agent installed as pliant little corporatist puppet for Washington.
A prostitute. Zero pride. Does not stroll idly down main street, for sure. A huge sacrifice for most of us but easily overcome by perverted ambition, but standard for politicians.
Can not judge a man by press images, but even these reveal the slime, even after selection.
Mr. Duff presents the most enlightened articles. Surprisingly, somewhat rare. Likely the product of surreptitious infiltration.
You can’t walk across a street in Europe without seeing a memorial to someone executed by the Nazi’s or even the Kaiser’s troops
gotta figure out a way to combat that tyoe of warfare
To Gordun Duff:
God bless you and God be with you, you are a courageous man!
Looks like the game is up…. when the soldiers refuse to murder the innocents , the unarmed civilians then we can have the change we seek. Its so blatantly obvious what these criminals had
in mind to achieve and now they must be exposed down to the very last man… and then what??
Do we become like them?? Not possible, we could never even imagine such horror
Thanks for the forum Gordon and for your continued good service to us all.
Very obviously the Vietnam War was not a war for Israel. Never in the history of America has any war been propagated as evil and immoral. The rock music was anti-war, the media was anti-war, and the public was successfully converted. Too bad for our troops and the American public, if only these wars today were not for Israel.
Regardless of the fact that Vietnam wasn’t ostensibly for Israel, it was nonetheless another evil act of illegal war of aggression by those in power in Washington and our military industrial complex. On its face it was to support illicit French colonial claims and behind the scenes, as with today’s war crimes, to further enrich the bankers and hegemonic industrial interests.
Attacking any nation which has not directly attacked us by armed invasion on our own soil is contrary to every tenet of international law ratified by Congress (and thus US Law). There is even evidence to strongly suggest our entry into WWII was orchestrated through official deceit and treason.
Our founders warned us of the evils of a standing military and I concur. What is needed is a return to the Constitutionally sanctioned sovereign state militias wherein all able bodied are armed, organized and ready to defend only our soil and ONLY in the event of imminent, verified invasion. At any other time, as with Switzerland, people would be civilians and lead productive lives to the furtherance of national and personal prosperity.
No more war for elites.
Not sure we know all the details of jewish involvement in viet nam.
Mike
Zionlist Elite Michael, not Jewish. Let’s keep the facts straight.
Please.
Please———-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!
Alan Sabrosky says most American Jews are more loyal to Israhell than the USA and I agree. That explains the deep level of infiltration of our government, military, and intelligence for the benefit of Israhell and the weapons technology thefts mentioned by Gordon above.
They were collaborating against the best interests of other Americans in business long before Israhell was created. It’s not “smarts”, its collaboration and disloyalty to their “fellow” citizens in America.
Do you have an “elite scanner” which tells you how good or bad (loyal /disloyal) they are?????. Get one to Alan Sabrosky so he won’t make prejudicial statements like that anymore.
Mike
Mike -
Most are not all. Not all people suporting Israel are Jewish only. Zionists Christians numbers are growing by the day. Not all Zionists are truly aware of the Zionists’ objectives and manner of attaining them. I believe all people serious for the stopping the damage being done by Zionists would do well to put the focus on the perpertrators directly and not muddy up the waters with statements that can be perceived as racist or predjudice. This will only repel new readers at first look. We need everyone who loves America on board and not chase them off with ugly generalized statements. How many forums do you know that are like this one? Not many. If people are ignorant about what is going on, we cannot get them on board if we sound like a bunch of rasicts or a K K K lovefest. This is too damn important.
And this statement/suggestion is directed to Gordon Duff and Alan S. as well.
Guys, if there is a problem, it can’t be fixed until it is identified. An enemy cannot be fought if they are not identified. We can’t be as effective with shot gun blasts. We need laser focus.
These people WANT the Jewish people to seem targeted. They WANT wars of the religions.
We cannot be effective if we feed into their trap of deceit and promote it, if even unknowingly.
Please consider what I am saying.
Yeah Lizzie, they always like to bring others into the fray! Those other semites—- poor folks are now the object of “antisemitism” when those poor A-rabs didn’t even know there was any hate of semites going on!
Poor Black Americans are now supposed to be the attack dogs for the jews is because they created the NAACP. Thank God most Black Americans don’t need the NAACP to do their thinking for them as jews hope.
Now bring on the so-called “Christian” zionsists to side with jewish crimes when advocating war and assassination disqualifies them from being Christian in the first place.
Mike
Lizzie, I have seen not comments on this site which pertain in the slightest way to the KKK and yet you and Larry Dickerstein keep bringing up the KKK. I know the DEFAMATION LEAGUE hopes American “Blacks” will be at their side whenever jewish criminality and other wrong doing is alleged.
As a person with black(schvartse)and jewish ancestors, I give Black Americans more credit for intelligence than they do.
I think you are inciting racism, not me as you cleverly(?) hint.
Mike
One can be a strong supporter of Israel and still be a U.S. patriot. Was American Colonel David Daniel “Mickey” Marcus – a Jew – any less of a patriot when he went to Israel and became their first general in their war of independence? Are Christian Zionists less patriotic when they support Israel more than most Jews do?
Gil,
It has gone beyond that. However, these are valid questions. I would say that the current government, Netanyahu, is extremely anti-American.
g
Lizzie, You need to explain it all to Gilad Atzmon!! Even though he is a Jew, it isn’t so black and white to him about defining what a jew is!!!
Read: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-zionist-tolerance-for-a-change.html
Mike
Damn Mike,
I’m a busy person. But okay, okay! That sounds like a good idea. I’ll talk with Gilad A. and see what he has to say.
Give me a little while. I am busy and I am more than sure he is as well.
Thanks.
Michael J Volz -
I have brought this conversation and topic up, between you and I, and asked his opinion on the matter. This is what he said to feel free to quote him:
“I am not against the Jewish people, yet, I am a strong opponent of any form of Jewish politics, for all forms of Jewish politics are racially exclusive.
In my writing I expose time after time the divisive nature of Jewish left and yet I do differentiate between Jewish Left (which I oppose categorically) and Leftist Jews who i have no problem with.”
“I am not against the Jewish people, yet, I am a strong opponent of any form of Jewish politics, for all forms of Jewish politics are racially exclusive.
In my writing I expose time after time the divisive nature of Jewish left and yet i do differentiate between Jewish Left (which i oppose categorically) and Leftist Jews who i have no problem with.”
-Gilad Atzmon
Sorry Lizzie, but you incorrectly imply I am against the jewish people which is subtle DEFAMATION against me which I resent.
You seem to suggest to anyone who will listen, please don’t be afraid of bees and venemous snakes because not all of them will bite or sting you.
You beg the question as to what reasonable intelligent people are thinking and saying with a theoretical statement which is impractical.
Get Alan Sabrosky straighten out on his antisemitism!!!!!
Mike
Damned Lizzie, We are all busy!! Are you more “special” than everyone else?? Are you “chosen”??? We all have better things to do than look into who the real culprits behind 911 are and the illegal wars being fought in the name of the USA! I can’t think of anything more important, including watching major league football today which is what millions of “normal” Americans are doing with their time at this moment.
You are a compassionate soul I presume? What about American soldiers dying in the illegal wars, foreign nationals doing the same; and Americans who cannot afford dental and health care at this moment. Write another bad check like like we do with our “help” to israhell. Is that your solution? Where is your outrage about the things I mention here. Too busy “defending” the “defenseless” jews I presume? So, so compassionate you are!!!! Much better person than me , I’m sure you think!!!
Former Senator of SC Fritz Hollings said in more words or less that “the war in Iraq is a war for Israel and everyone in Washington DC knows it but is afraid to say it”. I agree with the Senator. He brings to mind why I’m not talking about Irish people and people of Greek ancestry today. Experts have said the current wars will cost the USA more than three trillion dollars before it’s all over. The USA government gives billions to israhell and billions to it’s endless enemies each year to tolerate them. In fact the USA government tried to give Turkey 20 billion so they could attack Iraq from the north in 2002. All in a days work I can only imagine you think.
My real name appears on this website. What about yours? Are you really Larry Dickestein under a new moniker ? Trying to make people like me look like lowlifes who are less human, intelligent and less civilized than yourself? I have to wonder. I suggest you go back and read all the posts on this site to see what various people have said and are thinking before attacking them.
I don’t think the majority of Americans have given actual consent on the trillions spent for israel’s best interests and I am angry about American’s life blood being sucked from them in the interests of a foreign nation. Jewish Americans support American resources being spent endlessly for the benefit a a racial group and foreign government. If you read enough you will find I am not all alone in this opinion.
If you have a magical good/bad meter, please share it with the rest of us.
I’m looking at facts which are in short supply due to the jewish controlled mass media; I have no magical good/bad meter like you do.
Mike
Lizzie, thanks for proving my point with the “hot” Gilad Atzmon quote:
“I am a strong opponent of any form of Jewish politics, for all forms of Jewish politics are racially exclusive”
Mike, your fellow VT reader.
Lizzie, read from the Truman Library how all American jews subvert and hijack the USA government for their own selfish tribal interest. Some do it by their silence about what they know is going on.
Americans have never knowingly given their informed consent to unlimited “help” to Israeli and jewish concerns which are helping to bankrupt the USA.
Do you hear jews on this site condemning this control of the majority by a small minority?
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/wright.htm
Mike
This article is more important than the debate over defining Jewish.
Guess you’d have to read about KISSINGER to follow that thought. And lady Bird et el, with all thier / her Bell Helicopter stock holdings.
Gordon: Despite the press releases, TV dramas and news reports, there is no terrorist organization called Al Qaeda.
Brian: Yes indeed. It would be hilarious if the ridiculous Al Qaeda propaganda had not caused such enormous death and destruction.
Gordon: We put a weak ruler, Hamid Karzai, in charge of the government, someone hated by all sides, accused of every imaginable crime, most of all “weakness.” There is no greater sin in Afghanistan than “weakness.”
Brian: This is a standard strategy by the US government. Install an unpopular ruler because he will be dependent on the US military might to keep his position, therefore he will do what the US tells him to do which in the Middle East translates to what Israel wants. Yes, it typically causes death, destruction and a collapse of the local economy. The US government is a destructive force.
Heavy shit again Gordon. Thankyou. There’s a lot on this plate. Yet I have described, to others, the WWII vets had an objective, a plan, a direction, and persued this to the end, by the Leadership. I have watched the Wikileaks post, in horror, of the complete destruction of ten to fifteen people by a remote helicopter gunship. None armed.Your article reminded me of Kubricks film, “Full Metal Jacket”. I thought about that and the conflict in the press and here about Wikileaks. I know you have always had a’skinny’, on what’s going on. This is why I appreciate your input. You are exceptional, for sure. I am not having to defend myself or attack, so as I know, this is the real me. -Yet when pressed… Keep up the great Information- when things show it needs correction, you do a great job. Didn’t mean to scare anyone!
I differ about our soldiers in the Middle East. They are not heroes, even if they have been brainwashed to believe they are. They are pawns of an evil Bush-Cheney administration that put them in harm’s way to serve the agendas of Israel and our corporate heads. It is hard to understand how parents allow their kids to go to this illegal war, then profess pride in what they are doing. Parents of soldiers should march on Washington. – George Beres
Well done.
Not that hard to understand, if you have not a clue that it is illegal, immoral, and the parents gave them a GI Joe for Xmas.
Yeah. The GI Joe is what got me. What got my son, now a Marine in Afghanistan, was the video games. That, and we’re broke and he wanted to go to college, so he went for the benefits. They count on that.
THE BIG BAD BUSH AGAIN? WHAT ABOUT THE BIG BAD OBUMMER? THEY ARE BOTH SHRUBS, NEVER QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT. THEY BOTH SERVE THE SAME MASTER AND IT AIN’T GOD! WHY DIDN’T YOU VOTE FOR RALPH NADER? A MANWHO WOULD HAVE REALLY ENDED THE WARS PRONTO!
MIKE
Hi, thank you for this article.
I would posit a challenge on your conclusion:
“All this, and we plan to stay forever and ever and, if Israel has its way, institute a draft and send 400,000 troops into Iran so we can continue the same and more on a larger scale for another century.”
given your statement:
“Does anyone think our soldiers are so stupid they don’t see this?”
I don’t have the reference handy but I once read in the US Army Manual, I think Noam Chomsky had pointed it out, that American soldiers are required by US Military regulation post Nuremberg to refuse to serve immoral orders – lest they be tried for war crimes after the dust settles.
That latter clause is irrelevent to moral issue. Besides there is no Nuremberg, no accountability, but there is still moral issue. Unless that’s been killed away by Secular Humanism in the Military. However I don’t think so given Jesus is being sent to administer ‘god’ to the ‘untermenschen’ both in Afghanistan and Iraq. Here is a link:
youtube.com/watch?v=hVGmbzDLq5c
And this old report from Jeremy Scahill elaborates on that video thusly: “hunt people for Jesus… so we get them into the kingdom”
rebelreports.com/post/103330614/us-soldiers-in-afghanistan-told-to-hunt-people-for
So, if the moral soldiers, like your goodself, see all this plain and simple, why don’t they refuse to serve in mass numbers?
Unless all of them are immoral mercenaries tied to their paychecks. Is this a logical conclusion? Perhaps there is another explanation?
Thanks.
Zahir Ebrahim
Project Humanbeingsfirst.org
They are immoral mercenaries tied to their paychecks, and the belief they will receive great benefits upon their return. It’s all a sham man, and you know it.
Mr. Duff thinks too clearly. Shamefully, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of the Bush deceitful entourage have gotten away with murder. Somehow, they should be made liable for the trillion spent in Iraq, the civilian casualties and the way our soldiers have been used.
Jack
lots of anti-Bush comments coming out of the woodwork here
no, ‘anti-tyrannical dictatorship’ perhaps, or ‘anti-fascist police state’, but not anti moron boy. he barely remembers being in the white house, let alone actually being president.
why do you think his s.s. boyz had to collect his urine and feces wherever he flew? wasn’t because people were trying to ‘clone’ the son of a bitch from colon DNA, but the scum knew that chemical analysis would show the way ‘out of it’ moron was so drugged up that he was almost laughably hilarious if he weren’t such an evil scumbag.
so no, I disagree with you, over the ‘anti bush’ stuff. more ANTI EVIL comments, truly!
I dont have enough trustworthy information and knowledge about human cloning, particularly as it relates to world leaders, to have a meaningful discussion on that,
I do have my own guesswork, but for now I’ll keep that to myself
what I hope they were doing was finding all the DNA markers for Alasdair CROWLEY in the turd’s DNA, and then trying to figure out a way to ‘delete’ them from the human genome so we don’t end up with any more scum like this ruling a nuclear armed nation, and being totally drugged up so his veep can do evil deeds without having to explain himself to anyone..
GWB, the real one, is a good man, and its very close to impossible to convince me otherwise
and I am not just saying that in vanity becuase I have a long internet history of defending him, and want to make myself look good
Pepe, I want you to explain to me how the deaths of 1.3 million Iraqi’s by illegal war and occupation of their country, based upon lies, is a good thing. And I know you’re going to get bent out of shape, but I also need to know why the destruction of all of our civil liberties by the PATRIOT ACT and the JOHN WARNER DEFENSE ACT, and the N.S.P.D. 51 directive, and other executive orders, like H.S.P.D. 20, for instance, is ‘good’ for anyone? How is illegal and invasive wiretapping and e-mail monitoring ‘good’ for us? How is the deaths of more than 20 thousand american men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan ‘good’ for us, Pepe? How is the indebtedness of this nation to the tune of more than 55 TRILLION DOLLARS that we cannot pay, nor can even our grandchildrens children’s children ever pay, be good for us?
I’m very very all ears, Pepe. I know you believe GWB is a ‘good man’ but oh my, this globe cannot take too much more ‘goodness’ like this. I mean, how many families have sat by the funeral bier’s of their dead service member’s, and wondered why those people were now dead?
Pepe, I’m not picking on you, but please, you cannot tell me this is ‘good’ for anyone, anywhere, under any circumstances. How can a man who has done all this be a ‘good’ man, Pepe? He’s a mass murderer. He’s responsible for millions of deaths, and the destruction of the United States. How is this a ‘good’ thing?
you are all ears? thats what I like to hear
all ears
as far as the other words. lets just say you are off to a bad start with me. Im feeling generous with my attention for some reason though right now
ill give u another change to say something coherent and maybe even one more after that but there is a limit to my tolerance
your tolerance, Pepe? I think you are a liar. and a shill. and not a real blogger but a disinformation agent, based on your non answers about a war criminal and mass murdering prick who should be hanged by the neck until his head pops off someday, but sadly, that single death of his isn’t enough to give true closure to the millions of people globally who suffered under this criminal scumbag regime you are shilling for.
how’s that for testing your scummy patience, you lying fraud? did I get your ass yet with the nice stuff about your shilling and your fraudulent blog entity here?
I bet I didn’t, did I, you sphincter muscle right wing son of a beyotch. I bet I didn’t do that yet, did I? cowardly worm shill. cowardly scummy right wing mass murderer apologist and liar.
I think the thirty third degree, masonic, Satanic bitches name was Aleister Crowley.
Aleister Crowlley was posted to “Actually ,Pepe Says”
well now if you just have fun and try to entertain each other that works too
can I ask you a personal question?
see they are outnumbered, but
they are good at identifying the critical areas
and at the critical areas, they tend to always have the numbers
“The Prosecution of George W. Bush For Murder”, by Vincent Bugliosi
http://www.prosecutionofbush.com
Now Mr. Pepe, why would that be?
its hard for non jewish non african white men to get reserve notes / electronic digits which can be exchanged for food clothing and shelter
Craig, are you a medical marijuana user?
Craig , You are right about the blame Bush comments. Very convenient blaming the BIG BAD BUSH who probably never had an original idea in his life of any value— evil or good; while the puppet masters chuckle behind the curtain (yes, the hidden hand)about their plans for making Obummer their next scapegoat to wipe their ass with.
Anyone who thinks Bush is the principle problem is either intellectual challenged,
ignorant or pushing a hidden agenda (Israhell).
Mike
CRAIG, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT BUSH BEING WORTH A S_IT!!!!!!!!
MIKE
note to self without website Michael J VOlz may be trustworthy, maybe not
if I had to guess who is the most trustworthy commenter here besides Mr. Gordon Duff, I would say Volz, but I could be wrong,
TO Michael Volz
I see that Mr Gordon Duff holds you in high regard, so therefore I now hold you in high regard
God Bless
SAME TO YOU CRAIG, I WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO BE PROVEN WRONG. I DON’T GET A THRILL OUT OF CRITICIZING ANYONE. AM MORTIFIED BY WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE USA DESPITE ITS PAST WRONGS AND IMPERFECTIONS.
I LIKE HENRY FORD BECAUSE HE WAS AN IDEALIST WITH THE BEST INTERESTS OF HUMANITY IN MIND, NOT ACCUMULATING WEALTH. THAT IS WHY HE SUPPORTED THE “JEWESS” ROSIKA SCHWIMMER IN HER EFFORT TO PREVENT WW1 IN MY OPINION.
UNFORTUNATELY I WONDER WHY SPEELBERG AND THE DEFAMATION LEAGUE HAS NOT MADE A MOVIE ABOUT HER AND HENRY FORD. SORRY TO BE SO CYNICAL. NO MOVIE ABOUT CARDINAL MICHAEL VON FALHABER EITHER REGARDING HIS EFFORTS TO OPPOSE HITLER EITHER.
MIKE
I think the “plan” was 8 yrs. Bush Sr., 8 yrs. Clinton, 8 yrs. Bush Jr., 8 yrs. Hillary, and perhaps Jeb after that. A solid 32 or more years of the Bush/Clinton/CIA drug cartel from the 80’s (see all the youtubes). Bush Sr. was right there as VP when Reagan was shot, trying to get in early, and the shooter was a family friend. After all the books and internet articles on these criminals, there’s STILL a large block of people who would vote for Hillary and still revere Bill even after Monicagate, Travelgate, whitehouse bedroomgate, Chinagate, and on and on.
Those incidents don’t even cover Clinton’s involvement in Waco (it was recently revealed he directed the whole thing), Oklahoma (involving the FBI), the school shootings to ban guns, and Ruby Ridge. (Ref: the book The Secret Life of Bill Clinton). Can these people not even remember back to the 90’s? They are obviously too dumb to read.
Bush Sr. is said to be ruthless. Here are articles re: Bush Sr. and Hillary and what they are doing today “behind the scenes”. The British author, Christopher Story, who named names was murdered on July 14, 2010, after stating he’d been threatened by Sr. and Cheney. http://www.worldreports.org/news
“The war in Iraq is a war for Israel and everyone in (Washington)DC knows it and is afraid to say it” …… Words of Former Senator Fritz Hollings (more or less), in 2003;
So we should blame the big bad george bush for it? He thought of this war all by his little moronic self??????? To make the jews happy?????????
What’s the most important part of this story?????? The war mongers who started it.
Mike
Good Lord!! Normally congress members are re-elected 98% but this yr. the pundits say that “ONLY” 90% will be re-elected. So, is there really going to be a change in Washington?
Good article cause it shows that America is no longer an open society with so many classified things happening & Homeland Security listening to our freedom of speech.
You need to read a book out that’s fantastic cause it’s about Americans (like you & me) who actually take a stand. History may be calling on each of us to fulfill our destiny soon.
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
Excellent comment, Gordon.
Two most important statements, profound in their meaning and worth remembering.
“Volunteers are not stupid”
Nor would they be in any country. However, what they sign up for and what they end up doing in the military role are often two entirely different things. But they are capable of knowing that when you are in a battle everyone near or far is an enemy. This creates a long term problem and one which America has experienced in two recent activities, that is Vietnam and Iraq, also soon to be Afghanistan as well , but from which they have learned nothing
The second…..
“No combat unit could remain as an “occupation” force and still be considered “effective.””
The ability for military leaders not to be capable of reconciling the difference is itself staggering. It is not just the Americans. The Australians also have a role in the building of decent relationships with the Afghans, building schools and the like, while in the next province they are engaged in a shooting war as well. How can you do both.
If there really was any serious intent to be seen as a force anxious to reconcile the differences between the two roles then 80% of the effort should be in the role of reconstruction, assistance for hospitals, schools, agricultural aid and on, but that’s not the case, by any measure. It is a case of getting troops on the ground to ‘shock and awe’ the population ( where have we all heard that before), make as many long term enemies as we can and then go on home, after which, given time, it will be back to Taliban domination, having achieved nothing but death.
We all know that is what is going to happen. Just haven’t put a date on it.
And while countries like Australia, not even a NATO member, toe the US war machine line in their characteristic and sycophantic way and dispatch a feckless Prime Minister to visit Karzai, perhaps the most corrupt politician in history and then with great military wisdom estimate another 10 years in the zone for a country located in the South Pacific, we clearly see the universal problem. Countries seem to be populated by incompetent leaders with their own agendas, primarily designed to preserve the status quo as to their comfortable role as a leader while going through the motions of nationalistic pride with the accompanying sad look at every funeral for a young soldier who would probably enjoyed the role of peacemaker, rather that combat soldier.
I can remember the Afghans in the Russian version of 2010 sitting in the hills making their own bullets for older type weapons, against which they had Russian helicopter gunships, armaments that made them look like people from the stone age. But they won, by default, as they will this time and America, Nato, Australia and the rest will all have made enemies for a century, notwithstanding the building of the occasional school and hospital, totally forgotten in the loss of life and the occupation, because that’s what it is. Lesson one in building trust and respect. Kill the people, children, women, the lot.
If there has been anything different in 2010 than the failed Russian Afghanistan dalliance it is that the Taliban now have millions of US weapons and would be on the calling list for all the arms dealers in the world to keep them up to date with new models. Having literally billions in drug money per courtesy of the US MDPAADC (Military Drug Protection Agency And Distribution Centre ) allows them this privilege. One shouldn’t fuss over this enterprise, as frightening as it is. The world has been told about it on many occasions but no one seems to be concerned at all. So why fuss. The poppies are very pretty
It is a hateful war. Shades of Vietnam in 2010. And if countries like US and Australia have their way, maybe it will continue for another ten years, which as we all know is probably the US line for consumption by the tame media.
This politically contrived terror threat has me clamoring for greater security.
Sorry Gord – this is off topic. I don’t know how to post this otherwise.
Jon Stewart – the “voice of the people’s” executive director has been arrested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqage1Wzsbk
Seems he didn’t like 9/11 Truth. How’s that Sanity March goin’ ?
Binky thanks for the link. I viewed it. Yup John Stewart and gang are not down with buildings not melting. They apparently ascribe to this viewpoint. JS’s producer will probably be let go in the end, as you can guess. Yes Stuart and Group are part of the TRIBE. This is what those seeking truth, or exposing truth, worldwide are up against. – And yesterday he had Pres. Obama on his show, calling him Dude, and asking if there was some Surprise Party, by the President. Through articles written here and other events, I believe Pres. Obama understands the magnitude of the situation, yet still is forceful in defending the direction, with a gun held against his head!! He has done some good legislation, just not far enough for us, me Liberals, and the SICK conservatives of the planet with thier finger on the trigger, are ready to ‘twitch’. They set the stage, They own the stage, they decide where the argument will begin and end.- From there, there is no more argument.They are in control through the major information sources as to where to frame an argument, situation, then they are in control with the last word as to how to end the argument.- Hence Sarah Pailins, Christine O’Donnell, Michelle Bachmann, and others, because as Aleister Crowley understood, -you use the female energy… (I understand feminists will rage on me Yet understand their viewpoint.) Ted Gunderson
I did a bit more research – The vid and info was released October 29, but for some strange reason those involved sat on it and the assault actually occurred about a month ago. Weird.
I also didn’t know Jon Stewart’s brother is NYSE Chief Operating Office Larry Leibowitz. On the whole it seems the family isn’t the traditional ‘voice on the left.’ Seems to be a bit of ‘free market’ voice there, or as Max Keiser calls it ‘rigged market capitalism.’
“DUDE” and “AWESOME”, B.S. FROM THE MIND PROGRAMMERS IN JEWISH CONTROLLED FOOLYWOOD. WHENEVER YOU HEAR ANYONE USE THESE TWO WORDS YOU CAN BE SURE THEY ARE
FULLY PROGRAMMED MOCKINGBIRD/BOTS WHO WATCH TOO MUCH TV AND FOOLYWOOD MOVIES!!
SO THE JEWS IN FOOLYWOOD ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE CIA OR THE A-RAB OIL PRINCES? THEY ARE NO LESS COMPLICIT IN EVIL AND ARE OF THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CULPABILITY AND AMORALITY.
MIKE
Hello all,
Black Flag ops!
Two bombs have been discovered in courier shipments from Yemen to synagogues in the US.
Listen to the President of the US pontificating on “terrorism.” (He somehow doesn’t sound very outraged or as if he has his heart into it).
They were real bombs… they were capable of exploding and doing real damage to either a synagogue or an airplane….
“Intel,” presumably Saudi, uncovered and tipped the plot in time to nip it in the bud before they had a chance to go off.
Listen to CNN pontificating and reporting on the “facts.” They cite Jane Harman, of all people, as an authoritative source that “Yes, the bombs all bore the ‘signature’ of an al Qaeda bombmaker,”
Most of “America,” on the eve of another significant election, is quaking in its boots with fear of yet another “terrorist” attack on the US!
Remember that nothing like this happens in the dark, or by accident.
Replace all mention of “al Qaeda” wherever it appears, with “Mossad” (who makes war by deception) and you will get the entire and accurate picture.
Thanks to Jeff Gates, Gordon Duff and Maidhc, I am not blind.
this is why I can’t buy into the ‘gun pointed to the turd’s lying head’ thing my friends say about the Bush III bastard. he enjoys killing people with drone murdering too much to be a ‘threatened’ man.
and sadly, many people didn’t know the turd is a CIA TURD, and so has all of his family been CIA TURDS.
when you look at the harm the AL-CIA-DA has done to the globe and in particular, the national security of the Untitled Snakes with it’s meddling and killing and destabilization of any truly democratic governments elsewhere, one would think that someone would have said; “you know what?..that CIA is a bad thing..why don’t we UNPLUG IT???”
we’ll, it can’t easily be unplugged because, sadly, Debbie Menon, the CIA is the ROTHSCHILDS ENFORCEMENT ARM in the U.S., one and the same as the MOSSAD in Israel, they are the same set of scum and villainy who’s sole purpose in life is to foment killing and mass murder to enrich the Rothschilds and keep the world enslaved.
so I have one question about these FALSE FLAG things that O’Bummer is doing for these CIA handlers of his? When is the next 9/11 on the Untitled Snakes going to pop? Are we on the edge of another one as I do think we are? I think we’re right on the very cusp of a horrific, herd stampeding event that will usher in the end of the United States and it’s allegedly though entirely ‘faux’ Constitutional government which has been a charade for 237 years or so.
No, to’ Thanks Deb Says’, “O’Bummer” aint the ones pulling the stings Deusch Bag, and how do you guys instantly have the ability to change your’call’ signs to say what aposter posted??!! You call O’Bummer a CIA Asset. He’s not a Spy, He’s not a weasil, he’s not a turd, he’s not a mole. He has full, BUT NONE control of the CIA_Something my man JFK said should be (paraphrased) “Cut into a thousand pieces and scattered to the wind” Is he Manchurian? I don’t know. He has been pressed upon this American field, and has done many wonderful things with his DEMOCRATIC BACKING. More still needs to come forward.They are all still no Roosevelt. Yet as described above, the evil forces are working against him, and the others, so we can have the Pailin mental midgets run our show. I can’t wait?!- for morons to tell me what I should think when I know it’s Bullshit-Republican, Israelli Mossad Bullshit. Obama might not be a boyscout, but is far better than the Pailin, McCain, Sleep with little boys, but Religious, sick Republicans- Peace-NOT. I think he behaves as if he needs a life insurance policy. Silver Certificates, Green backs, Garfield, Evil Bankers…
OBUMMER IS A MANCHURIAN PRESIDENT; PREVIOUSLY A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE;
PUT IN PLACE BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT : ISRAEL
SOME DUPES AT CIA THINK HE IS THEIR MAN, NOT REALIZING CIA IS NOW A MOSSAD SUBSIDIARY.
MIKE.
Regarding Obama’s CIA connections, both parents were involved in CIA activities, but in May 2010, Rev Manning, a black minister near Columbia University, NYC, put Obama and Columbia University on trial. He presented complete evidence that Obama NEVER attended Columbia University as claimed, but was given a paid-for diploma.
During the years Obama was supposed to be attending Columbia, he was actually training as a CIA operative in Pakistan. All the evidence from this very public trial was turned over to the authorities, with no action except a threat against Rev Manning’s life.
More than 2 dozen lawsuits were filed re: his SEALED birth certificate and school records. All were thrown out “prior to” DISCOVERY (2 were thrown out at the Supreme Court. Ms. Kagan, his lawyer, spent millions of taxpayer dollars to defend him, then was put on the Supreme Court herself.
I had read that, Thanks for the summary and review. Seems our family has a history of CIA and are related to Obummer. It fits, as Henry Ford used to say. The British created CIA it has been said and their most successful “project” was the “installation of the Shah” which gave Britain another thirty years of theft of un-metered Iranian oil not to mention thirty years of free oil for Israhell.
It has been said CIA is controlled by the American oil companies but isn’t it the international oil companies? And who owns the international oil companies? Rot-Shield?, anyone.
CIA is now a subsidiary of the mossad; Yes , Yes, everyone ! It’s not just jews ——-they have goyim accomplices who will do anything for money too!
Mike
Debbie Menon, Thanks for that post. As I heard it today, I thought Gordon should have a nice expose about it shortly. _Nothing happens unless they allow it on the global scale. Where was the Israelli based screeners AGAIN for this one?, Two?-Maybe ‘Thanks Deb says’, below might not have an answer.
im happy to stand in and take some of the pressure and heat off Bush,
hes not gonna be around forever to blame, I’ll fill that void
maybe somehow you can pin all the deaths on me, 10 years from now, you control the information, Craig is responsible I play along with you too
ever hear of Ernst Roehm, Pepe? you sure sound like him… put on a nice brown shirt with an armband, maybe a little cap in brown. you could be reincarnate Ernst Roehm!
btw: Bush probably doesn’t need you to defend him. I know, you’re just siting in your armchair somewhere, just squirming, ready to karate chop those of us who don’t like mass murder or fascism, but hey, someday, that karma just has to come back and bite some of you defenders of fascism and mass murder and mayhem on the butt, don’t you think?
just a thought. stay well, and drive safe.
“NECK DEEP: The Disasterous Presidency of George W. Bush” by Robert Parry, Sam Parry and Nat Parry:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/mediaconsortiumbooks/Aboutneckdeep.html
seems like an appropriate post on Halloween, don’t it?
Nazi, Alquaeda, KKK, they are all getting a little hard to believe,
you guys may have to put your thinking caps on and invent something else for this cnetury
no disrespect for people possible hoenst real people that dont put up websites
I tend to have more respect for people that idenrtify themselves on places like this, but I can understand why an honest might not want to do that
can I respect it yeah maybe
“When American troops gave blankets to the Cherokees being forcibly “removed”, blankets known to be infected with small pox, was this a holocaust? It is known as the “Trail of Tears.” It is history, so much history that it is even taught in schools in America, and that’s saying a lot.
I am sorry Mr. Duff but your entire paragraph is false and paints a picture of one factual and one fabrication.The Trail of Tears was the relocation of the Cherokee Tribe to the Indian territories and has not one iota of connection to the supposed to the smallpox story.There are other smallpox stories originating the days of Lord Amherst in 1763 but that’s another story and a different army.I am surprised that the self proclaimed,”History professors”,didn’t speak up.These mistakes in history are the results of individuals not being knowledgeable and pushing the material as gospel truth thus proving my point of supporting documentation.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Trail_of_Tears_National_Historic_Trail.aspx
“By May 1838, only 2,000 of approximately 16,000 Cherokees had moved, and Maj. Gen. Winfield Scott entered Cherokee territory with about 2,200 federal troops and nearly 5,000 state volunteers from Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina, and Tennessee. They herded the Cherokees into stockades, and then, in June, forced three groups—approximately 2,745 men, women, and children—to begin the 850‐mile march from Tennessee to Indian territory. Sickness and death in the stockades led Chief John Ross to request a delay until cooler weather. The remainder were removed, in thirteen detachments, between 23 August and 5 December 1838. Approximately 4,000 died as a result of their ordeal, most not on the trail itself.
Cherokee removal—the Trail of Tears—remains one of the greatest tragedies that the United States has inflicted upon a minority population. Removal and assimilation, however, remained incomplete. Remnants of the tribe comprise the Eastern Bank of Cherokees today, and many preserve traditional culture.
http://www.plagiary.org/smallpox-blankets.pdf
The allegations that the US Army gave small pox infected blankets to the Mandan Indians has been officially investigated and found to be a 100% fabrication.The entire disgrace can be found at the provided link with the results of the investigations and the sanctions against the accuser.
There are other conspiracy theories over the 9-11 attacks where accusations have been made by Dr. Judy Wood.A great deal of her invrstigations tie into the Mossad/US involvement.I particularly like the explanation of Hurricain Erin and how it was used as a Tesla device.All this supposedly hard science.
http://www.drjudywood.com/
Yeah Larry,
American treatment of the “Indians” is the justification mossad wants to put in the minds of Americans for their treatment of the Palestinians and worldwide assassination teams. They want Americans to think, yes, i know history, this is American as apple pie.
Similarly, they promote the idea we are stealing A-rab oil for our fat lifestyles when it is only Israel who needs stolen oil. Old israeli joke: Moses wandered all over the Middle East and found the only piece of land with no oil.
Is it a co-incidence israel supported the Shah of Iran and wound up with free oil for about thirty years?
Similarly and furthermore, mossad wants American atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan to weld Muslim hatred of the USA to their hatred of Israel, not to mention creating American hatred of Muslims.
Seal the fate of America to israeli crimes in blood!!!
Mike
He started it all
I dont see it that way
Today, the culture with the guns and the German trained military wins.
hmm
You are so right about the bashing the messengers right and left.Those that persist in attacking others do so in order to make themselves feel superior.It is usual to find a person who has no control over their own lives attempting to enact force upon others.More the pity because it shuts down a two way conversation where all parties can learn.Will it ever stop?No,believe it or not people need to be governed that is to be required to adhere to a set of rules.Left to their own policing,anarchy is the rule unless some form of order is administered thus the need for a moderator.
Will Larry ever stop chasing his tail with his obvious B.S.? No ! He hopes new readers will come on the site and not notice the inconsistency in everything he has said! Level headed Larry, with his calls for civility and propriety has admitted by inference, he helped plant the demolition charges for 911. He is so careful to say only well considered provable statements and yet he carelessly(?) admitted to culpability in the 911 crime? At least one other reader has acknowledged this so I am not alone in this statement!
Mike
Sorry Larry, a lot of us are not worried about the right and left anymore and other time wasters. WE know the jews work throw both parties in the useless tennis match.
Mike
The whole Bush family should be tried for war crimes. Dich head Cheney along with Condi Rice , Colin Powell, and Dummie Rumsfield. the dum-democrats have no Ball’s whatsoever. they will not have a investagation into George Bush war crimes. a FORCED WAR IN IRAQ, INVADE a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.cover up after cover up. ALL OF WASHINGTON POLITICIANS ARE PROFESSIONAL LIERS. Boy what a democracy. who could ask for any thing more. war after war for the wealthy to profit, while seniors citizens and other americans suffer. no jobs just wars. TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS WASTED on wars and stolen money by politicans and THE ZIONIST IS–RA—HELL BANKERS. NEXT IT WILL BE AMERICAS PENSIONS BEING ( sucked up by the congress and senate. HELLO O’BAMA you remember when you said ——- CHANGE ——.DOES taken away the populace retirement pensions suit you for change ????????? SO ALL OF YOU NEED MONEY TO CONTINUE YOUR WORTHLESS WARS. ( last check their were over 46 MILLION PEOPLE IN PROVERTY. what do you all want Washington to do????? DE-VALUE the Dollar. make americas money use-less. cant buy any thing. ANOTHER 100 MILLION OF AMERICAS CITIZENS IN PROVERTY. now come no body talke about this????????? America will wind up like mexico. JUST THE WEALTHY AND POOR. no more middle class. Drugs, money street gangs, shootings. just like the old days here in america. good-bye america. will you be able to survive. ASK THE GOVERNMENT AND IS—RA—HELL when its all done.
you can’t mention bad things about either O’butthole nor Bouche here. They’ll take your posts down. If you get testy with another poster, that too will get your stuff deleted.
I guess that the mechanism works like this: Israeli Shill posts a bullshit post about wonderful Israel…or Bush supporter posts a “ah done lahk yo bashin mah mahn..” if you say anything negative. Same goes for the O’Butthole supporters in here, who think the sun rises and sets on his CIA butt.
but what’s going on in here is the same as their sister blog, which is MYCATBIRDSEAT, where you’ll have your stuff tossed there for anything that even infers a ‘tete au tete’ match is ensuing.
that’s fine. THEY run these blogs, and WE are just posting here, however, in light of the dynamics here, and how the blog is now being run, it makes more sense to not even say a fucking word in here, one way or the other. You can bash Israel all day long and twice from sunday (and I have, believe me!) and that’s okay, but you can’t say anything about the politicians who have rendered this nation unto a torture gulag and police state (mesrs. bush and soetoro, respectively).
so what do we talk about here? gardening? auto maintenance? origami?
that’s about all that’s left, due to blog censorship and deletions you’ll suffer if you head bash each other in here.
but I ask the blog owners, Deb. Menon and Gordon Duff and their associates; “what the hell did you create these blogs for in the first place??…” Did you create them so we all join hands and sing cumbaya in here and rock on our ass cheeks?
enough said. and I won’t be back, already have loaded my ‘block list’ with both this one and catbird seat, because, they are a waste of time if we have to remain totally civil in here and only bash Israel. Bashing Israel is a given, it needs it, but don’t touch the Bush bastard or the fraud that now runs the country, perhaps even worse than the Bush bastard ever dreamt of, named Barry Soetoro.
y’all take care and enjoy the boredom in here, you might as well watch the fucking television set now.
Interesting you should mention the “idiot box”. I turned it on to watch the weather and the screen said to call and order programming??? Now, I know I’ve paid my bill on-line and am wondering if the MSM/ADL owned and controlled “boob tube” and/or the “chosen people” sattelite network pulled the plug? If I’ve paid, does that constitute wire-fraud, bank-fraud or interference of contract; should evidence surface?
And, is that call the following number….more mischief? Trick or treat?
ps. AT&T (another talmud totter) owned by the chosen ones.
toter
15 years ago i would have thought you were crazy! I hope others wake up! It took Jesse Ventura and Alan Sabrosky seven years! I guess there is reason to hope before the DEFAMATION LEAGUE writes the new American History books .
Mike
Aloha Everyone:
When I was in the military in the 70s, the helmet we used were totally “american”.
Now, soldiers wear the same “shape” helmet used by the nazis because this country is controlled by the ashkenazi jews !!! Our military now belongs to the UN (a communist type of organization – - look at its charter) and has been used (like slaves) to invade other countries and commit lots of killings for these satanic ashkenazi jews in the name of their ultimate leader lucifer / satan. They basically follow their “depopulation agenda” according to the talmud and the protocols of the elders of zion.
Please see what the japanese princess has to say wit the “engraved” depopulation plan/agenda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb0hA1A5N8A&NR=1 (part 1 of 3)
watch your necks tonite, people, the vampires are out for blood! Happy Halloween!
Joseph, google: HUNS
read about helmuts.
I love our troops, if that’s the proper word, and it KILLS me to see the destruction the incompetent Pentagon top brass has wrought on their personal lives with the unprecedented, repeated deployments, reckless endangerment of their health through DU and mandatory toxic vaccination, and creating combat stations in isolated valleys surrounded on all sides by mountains (even a 6 yr old can figure that one out). It seems deliberate to me ….use them up, insure their immune systems are damaged to minimize retirement costs and military-funded health care, and can’t fight back in a martial law situation. (same thing now with Obamacare and the baby boomers.)
After Vietnam, it was Agent Orange the VA fought against treating. After the Gulf War, it was Gulf War Syndrome caused by “mandatory” anthrax shots that the VA fought against treating. In Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s DU, “mandatory H1N1 shots”, and suicides brought on by repeated deployments – all directed by a blatant incompetent no-win strategy carried out by Gates and the top Pentagon brass (many with Nazi names), keeping this nation in ever-expanding wars and taxed to death to pay for them.
Did you know 3 new BILLION DOLLAR embassies are being built in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq with over 500 guards each, over 2,000 staff each, and loads of cadillac SUVs? And another one in London? They’re also planning a huge new military base in Columbia (middle of the drug trade). DO YOU SEE WHERE ALL OUR JOBS AND MONEY ARE GOING? Why do we need 3 huge embassies in the middle of nowhere (and war zones at that)? Hillary’s State Dept is certainly not doing any “stop-war negotiating”.
I ask myself WHERE is the “real” organization representing Vets? I don’t see ANY, certainly not the VA. It seems to me that ALL the Vets would be teed off at their treatment, and what they see occurring to the young men and women following in their footsteps. Perhaps all the fight is gone….Sad for our nation and all of us who look up to them.
After reading hundreds of internet articles and watching 911 youtubes, I have come to the conclusion that Gordon is right re: the Zionists. When Obama filled his cabinet with them, I knew we were in trouble. Israel hasn’t been able to get us into Iran, but now they’ve ordered the bombing planes they need and billed the U.S. for them. Israel and their lobby AIPAC has no use for our country except as a military tool. They have hundreds of nuclear weapons; yet nobody monitors THEM. They’ve vowed to take the whole world down with them. Their spies were caught in the Mexican embassy, on the streets of NY during 911 dancing in the street and filming, they’ve admitted to the USS Liberty incident, and the crimes and complicity go on and on.
Here’s a treasure trove of reading material on the Bush/Clinton crimes.
http://www.newsfollowup.com/bushfortune.htm
Kate, there’s enough dirt there to grow all the medical marijuana a doper could ever desire.
Thanks Kate, I agree with everything you say. Sherman Skolnick identified Rahm Emanuel as mossad’s top North American agent BEFORE the Obama election, so I knew before the election to vote for Ralph Nader! (there was plenty of other handwriting on the wall versus Obummer—– no real experience qualifying as presidential material, for instance—–CIA or not).
Our “money” for this war does not exist except as it is a blank rubber check for israel. The biggest profiteers are jewish and trust me they have converted most it from US currency into gold. Trading on full access to everything known about the war, first access to contracts and insider trading of stocks of the players, too are all part of the scam.
It is all intended to destroy America which will be bought for gold pennies on the dollar, when the smoke clears.
Mike
Wow! this is my third attempt to post tonight’s The Ugly Truth Podcast:
http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010/10/31/the-ugly-truth-podcast-oct-31-2010/
breaking this post up…may be ADL interference…
Michael; Sherman Skolnick, one of my heros, was mentioned by tonights guest.
Paul Topete
From Pokerface
Paul, Christopher Bollyn and I should start a “anti-ADL” club…
Gordon, wanna join? We could throw a “first annual” right here…you know the spot. Bring Pen. Debbie, you too! And, Joe!
j
going after the adl and their neocon buddies isn’t going to solve anything
aim higher
g
Thanks Equalizer, another “good” (truthful) Jew? I think so!
Mike
Equalizer? Are you jewish? I wouldn’t hold that against you, though I was refering to S.S. (sherman skolnick).
Mike
Michael, did you just call me a jew?
Maybe part.
If I am, the story would be “movie-script” worthy…penumbra? Don’t you think?
http://www.worldreports.org/news
This website contains reports (by date) of all the “CURRENT” Bush Sr./Clinton crimes still going on. British author Christopher Story was murdered on July 14, 2010, after writing in his last report that Bush Sr. and Cheney had threatened him. He was poisoned in the states. Because he continuously named names, the US coverts were always threatening him. His last report dated July 10 was removed but can still be found on the net, at rumormillnews.com for one.
Robbers , crooks, swindlers. LIERS. con-artists, criminals, worst then the MAFIA. WORTHLESS Washington D.C. Politicians. their has to be a way to convict all these A–HOLES. if no one here in america has any ( BALL’S ) then have the HAGUE CONVICT ALL THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH 9/11. about 3 or 4 Months ago ex Attorney General Ramsey Clark was going to seek a trial in EUROPE. I would like to know what happened. is he still working on it ?????????????????????
U.S.S. Liberty footage starts at 15:09 of this link….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=vrXgLhkv21Y&annotation_id=annotation_138882
We can all agree on one thing and that is we need to be out of this war.
We can fight amongst ourselves whos fault it is but the bottom line is we all come to this site to read Gordon and vent. We all have our opinions and want to display our knowledge to the opposition, kinda’ like the war itself. But, I feel all of this venting and this energy is wasted. Somehow, if we could save up all of this anger, energy to a constructive ACT, we could really make a difference. We make fun of the people who live vicariously through a sports team or the latest idol because they are narrow, but aren’t these blogs doing the same? They compartmentalise the Web. If we are honest with ourselves, how many sites do we really go to? Have we narrowed down our Youtube subscriptions to more of the same? I, myself do not have the time and want what I want to read right there on my Windows 7 Tabs. I thoroughly enjoy the comments (sometimes more than the article, sorry Gord). Mike and Larry, Penumbra Equalizer Bronco, sunny, lizzie rachal and the smokes a lot of weed dude are all very entertaining and I often go to the links they list. These have become my dancin’ with the stars but with 24 hours in a day, who has time to protest a war.
Due the thick smog (of disinformation) created by the jewish owned/ controlled mass media this is one of the few places a truthseeker can find a breath of fresh air and engage in an honest discussion of the real issues without being smothered by jewish “moderation” (censorship, mind control & manipulation). Larry complains about me being a “web bully”, when the real web bullies are at the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, Weakly Standard and most other forums).
I posted at the NY Times four hours ago and the comments are still awaiting “moderation” (deletion).
Free speech is taking place here and it can’t be expected to be a magic bullet for instant results. I know it is having an effect, which I hope isn’t too late. People like AE911truth are taking action to force the issue. We are outnumbered and out gunned to say the least. More people have to wake up before the real war begins. I don’t think our efforts are in vain.
People ask, what can I do? You can investigate, discuss, research and talk to counter the mass mind programming and above all spread the truth.
I have awakened so dead head Republicans in my town and in this town that takes so doing.
One problem is a person has to get over the fear of being called an “antisemite”!!!!! My dream is someday soon Americans will fear being called a shill more than being called an antisemite. Remember, an antismite is someone the jews hate (because they can’t control them), not someone who hates jews!!!!!!!!
Mike
Michael, I forgot to extend an invitation to you and Lese to join the Anti-ADL Club and participate in the “first annual”…should we call it symposium?? Rally?? Well, we can determine all that in the planning stage…
Just sign me, someone the jews labeled “anti-semite”.
FREE AMERICA, FREE PALESTINE!
Nightflyer you too!
Remember, the Palestinians won’t get their freedom from the jews until the Americans do!
Mike
WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MAY BE DISRUPTIVE TO YOUR DIGESTIVE SYSTEM!
“The War Recovery”, by David S. Broder in the Washington Post dated October 31, 2010:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102907404.html
Originally viewed/read in the Ugly Truth.com
WARMONGER CALLING FOR WAR IN PLAIN OPEN SITE ON (OF COURSE) A JEWISH OWNED PROPAGANDA RAG!
BRODER IS THINKING OF HIS “FELLOW” AMERICANS. IT WILL MAKE OUR ECONOMY BETTER HE SAYS. AMERICAN JEWS KNOW WHO OWNS THE WASHINGTON POST. LETS SEE HOW MANY CALL THE WASHINGTON POST ON THIS WARMONGERING!!!!! VIRTUALLY NONE I EXPECT!
FRITZ HOLLINGS SAID THE WAR IN IRAQ IS A WAR FOR ISRAEL AND EVERYBODY IN WASHINGTON DC KNOWS IT BUT IS AFRAID TO SAY IT. WHY ARE THEY AFRAID TO SAY IT? DO THEY THEY THE JEWS ARE A VINDICTIVE EVEL TRIBE?
MIKE
ny times comments deleted
mike
sharky, I believe it is crucial to have full command of the situation before acting. Exchanging information (remember information is power) and ideas is critical. When action comes, and I believe it will, it must be based on factual truths. The dialogue here will help glean that truth.
The enemy resides in the dark. Shedding light on the enemy, exposure if you will, fills the enemy with FEAR. Light is the best disinfectant.