Is there a Difference Between Charles Manson and Sarah Palin?

Charles Manson Meets Sarah PalinWe Should Hold Politicians to the Same Standards as We Treat Others Who Incite Violence

by Johnny Punish

Charles Manson never killed anyone and neither has Sarah Palin!  Of course, that assumes that you define “anyone” as a human being and not an unsuspecting moose who happened to run on the set of a reality show while a gun-totting reality star pulls the trigger just for kicks.

Now with Charles Manson he encouraged others to kill and they did. And he was convicted for what amounts to conspiracy to commit murder.

The question is “Has Sarah Palin encouraged others to commit murder?”

Today, she rejects this notion in a defensive video. She attacks responsible people like me and others who do hold her feet to the fire. She does not like being called out and like a wounded animal, she attacks back. That’s Sarah Palin! We know her now!

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Normally, I have no problem with a sophmorish attack to defend an indefensible action. Heck, my teen age children seem to always try to defend themselves when their behavior is exposed as irresponsible. So when they do act poorly, I sit them down slowly and point out the consequences of their actions and then inspire them forward to grow up into responsible adults.

But Mrs. Palin is no teenager. With microphone in hand, she’s much more than just a teenager making a faux paux on a small stage. She’s on a huge stage in front of millions asking us to follow her and doing so without any scruples, remorse, or genuine concern for the peoples who were massacred in Arizona. This is about her and her reputation.

This is beyond outrageous! Worse, it is disrespectful, moronic, foolish, and demonstrates contempt in deed.

I have watched as a many media talking heads and pundits from both sides try to disconnect and temper her responsibility for this massacre against our fellow Americans. Unlike these folks who seem to be afraid of telling it like it is, I won’t oblige because I am a just a working father and not a politician. I am NOT seeking office or trying to get a job on MSNBC or FOX News. I won’t oblige! So hold on to your seats because Mrs. Palin is about to get the “Father Johnny Punish Sit Down and Shut Up While I Read You the Riot Act” lecture that I give to my kids when they misbehave.

Look, Mrs. Palin has given us no reason to respect her as leader. NONE! She quit as Governor of Alaska to pursue profiteering. Now, going for business opportunity is everyone’s right in a free society. However, asking us to empower you with our vote is not a business you can just walk away from. She will never get my vote for this reason. I simply don’t vote for quitters who take my vote and then throw it away when they have no further use for it. Moreover, she has acted like a child with her irresponsible high school attacks on opponents using both visual and verbal hyperbole to incite. Is this leadership?

Really folks! Let’s not apologize for her. Let us hold her responsible for her actions just like we parents do with our kids! Should we approve of our kid putting up a bulls-eye on a opponent who was running for high school class president? For me, the answer is NO WAY! If my child cannot win on ideas with class and dignity, then what’s the point of winning?

Now Mrs. Palin. could have owned her behavior at which time Americans would forgive. But instead, she attacks and that we cannot forgive. Not at this time and not at this moment.

What she did has consequences. Her ego and ambition notwithstanding, she needs to step aside or be pushed aside by responsible leaders in the GOP and let those who are responsible, qualified, and wise inspire us forward.

America is tiring of people who act with impunity. Our country has suffered badly from this type of irresponsible behavior and it’s costing us everywhere.

For me, Mrs. Palin should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder and tried as an adult. At the very least, the GOP should excuse her from the team and send her home. There is just no room for this type of behavior at the very top of our leadership food chain. It’s over.

So back to the question “Is there a difference between Charles Manson and Sarah Palin?  

For me, its’ a resounding Yes!  

Charles Manson had direct communication with his assigns influencing them with meetings and mind control. Sara Palin has a microphone and a TV camera that enters the homes of millions. So for me, the real question is “Does having a microphone and TV camera that reaches millions of us daily constitute direct communication and influence?”.  I say yes!  Frankly, I believe it is even more direct and influential. What say you?

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64 Comments for “Is there a Difference Between Charles Manson and Sarah Palin?”

  1. Johnny and all of you are being fooled. governments, corporations, and the mass media are being involved in the manufacturing of a national consensus and, paradoxically, a culture of fear due to the potential for increased social control that a mistrustful and mutually fearing population might offer to those in power.Range of tactics able to subvert an individual’s control of his or her own thinking, behavior, emotions, or decisions.When fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom.
    Established upper-class families with “old money” who founded and finance the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Club, Club of Rome, Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes Trust, Skull and Bones, Trilateral Commission, and similar think tanks and private clubs, are illuminated conspirators plotting to impose a totalitarian New World Order — the implementation of an authoritarian world government controlled by the United Nations and a global central bank, which maintains political power through a bureaucratic collectivist system, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, widespread use of state terrorism, and an all-encompassing propaganda that ideologizes world government as the culmination of history’s progress.The country was largely founded on slavery by rich white men who usually claimed staunch religious beliefs. This trend of slavery continues to the present. Today it is called undocumented workers. In the past, it was the Irish, Chinese, Vietnamese etc. Today it is the Mexicans and Muslims.
    Rich white men, frequently regardless of party, continue with oppression!

  2. What? If this is about the Arizona massacre no.just no.That is such a ridiculous conclusion to this crime.That man was insane and he did it on his own.

  3. Stop denigrating Palin! She my great hope for 2012. I want to vote for her in the primary in the worst way and I’m a librul. WOOHOO!

  4. You left wing nuts, how come you haven’t blamed Sarah Palin for the last winter storm in New York City? Hasn’t Soros paid you for that yet?

    • Because it was a heavy snow, George, and Palin is an airhead. Too light between the ears to have been responsible for the storm.

  5. Remember Charles Manson didn’t kill anyone himself either! Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the rest of those hate talkers are just as guilty as Manson.

  6. I can’t believe some of the articles that I am reading!! NO ONE put the gun in his hand and said do this. He knew that what he was going to do was wrong.That’s what is wrong with the world today,no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. They want to put the BLAME on someone else.If this wasn’t so political everyone would be blaming Captain Kangaroo or Mister Rodgers.Everyone that runs for office needs to watch out,because if you are caught spitting on the sidewalk and someone does something wrong that the news media can make a story about,they will more than likely be accused of causing it!!

  7. If Sarah Palin truly did NOT mean to invoke the rhetorical image of the use of firearms against her political enemies with her use of “cross hairs” on certain candidates’ districts in the map she had posted on her site… why did she take the map off of her site almost immediately after the shootings in Tucson?

    Does she have a guilty conscience, or does she not have the courage of her convictions?


  8. It didn’t take long to blame it on Palin. I am not a fan of hers but lets get real
    folks. What better political rhetoric is there than for the Commander in Chief
    to go into a foreign country and call this country a “nation of cowards”, while our
    men and women are dying in a war everyday almost. Who is really passing out the
    political rhetoric? It is coming right out of the halls of congress. I just think
    in a lot of ways that Palin is making this country stand-up and take a look at

    • Point taken. Well done.

    • Sorry, Charlie………

      Now……… I’m not saying that Republicans, conservatives, and their right-wing pundits are “directly” responsible for the shooting (or for things like the George Tiller assassination, etc.). But, their rhetoric most certainly is (and has been) a catalyst… a “motivating factor” for those who would commit murder in the name of their right-wing causes.

      The incendiary, violent rhetoric comes OVERWHELMINGLY from the right side of the political spectrum. And, that is just an objective, observable fact.

      I ask you……… when was the last time you saw such a horrific act against a Republican/conservative committed by a liberal? You’ll have no substantive answer…………

      The right uses irrational fear and paranoia for its own political purposes. Period.

      And, all it takes is a few mentally unhinged people out there to act on the hate-filled crap that the right feeds to them in its effort to work people up into a right-wingnut frenzy.

      Pretending that those from both sides of the political spectrum are somehow “equally culpable” is LUDICROUS………

      • “The incendiary, violent rhetoric comes OVERWHELMINGLY from the right side of the political spectrum. And, that is just an objective, observable fact.”

        Actually, no.

        Boths sides of the political spectrum use violent metaphors.

        That is easily documented.

        • Here’s one example. Former Democrat Congressman Paul Kanjorski writing in an Op Ed (1/10/10) in the New York Times:

          “We all lose an element of freedom when security considerations distance public officials from the people. Therefore, it is incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect in which political discourse can flow freely, without fear of violent confrontation.”

          And here’s the same politician talking about Florida Republican Rick Scott, who went on to win the gubernatorial race:

          “That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”

          I despise Sarah Palin, but the political right has no monopoly on hypocrisy. Let’s try and get over our blind partisan hatred for one side of the aisle over the other. They are ALL CROOKS.

          • Please see the “false equivalence” note I just wrote for J.F.E……..

          • Chas:
            Speaking as someone who has opted out of the left vs right paradigm, I can see your point about the ‘false equivalent’ but wonder if all of this won’t ultimately lead to the loss of freedom of speech and gun confiscation.

            Maybe the next wingnut assasin will be portayed as an avid reader of VT. True or not, what would that do for the complete editorial freedom that our VT writers enjoy…or our ability to have an uncensored dialog in the ‘comments’ section?

          • Sounds like a wildly alarmist bit of speculative nonsense to me……. show me the alleged inevitable consequence— the entire chain of events as you’d see them unfolding— and, maybe we can have a rational discussion on this issue.

            “Speaking as someone who has opted out of the left vs right paradigm, I can see your point about the ‘false equivalent’ but wonder if all of this won’t ultimately lead to the loss of freedom of speech and gun confiscation.”

          • Speculative nonsense?

            Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pennsylvania, said he will introduce legislation making it a federal crime for a person to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a member of Congress or federal official.

            Under Brady’s bill, much of our free speech would be taken in order to keep the crazies calm. There are better, more proven ways society has found to deal with the insane. They include psychiatric drugs and mental hospitals, not federal speech crime laws that strip the majority of freedom.

          • Yes…….. speculative nonsense and a poorly supported premise.

            “Speculative nonsense?….. Under Brady’s bill, much of our free speech would be taken in order to keep the crazies calm.”

        • @J.F.E……..

          You appear to be putting forth a “false equivalence” type of argument—- implying that the vitriolic/violent speech on both sides of the political spectrum is somehow “comparable” in magnitude/intensity.

          It ISN’T. Period. You say it’s been “well documented”….. then, go ahead and show your “documentation”.

          The fact is— you don’t see Democratic Senate candidates talking about resorting to “second amendment remedies” should they not get their way politically. You don’t see Democrats in Congress calling for their constituents to be “armed and dangerous”. You don’t see major liberal media personalities talking about how they’d like to kill people on the other side with whom they disagree politically. You don’t see a bunch of liberals showing up to political rallies armed with handguns, etc……….

          You DO see these types of behaviors quite a bit on the right side of our political spectrum.

          But, hey……… by all means—- go ahead and try to support your implied “false equivalence” if you believe you can………..

          • -

            CP, I liked your article. The situation is as simple as you say: Rightwingers are intentionally causing the violence. Period.
            As much as so-called ‘Democrats’ have slid downhill into rightwinger defect zone, then those Dems are complicit and intentional in causing the violence … but they are NOT ‘lefty.’ Period.

            Like Obama — he may be ‘Dem’ but he is not ‘leftwing.’

            The bully fuming blowback here, comments antagonizing the article, show more of the integity-by-bombast-and-belligerence witless ones, which is no integrity at all, which is simply more of the gassy vapors that foster and fuel an explosive atmosphere of violence … which is the trouble to begin with.

            A spiral of violence. The racers to the bottom ride down the sucky circling vortex … not informed that it requires information to break the cycle.

            Anyway, CP, mainly this comment points and links to a list of the rightwing violence provocations since 2009.

            Insurrectionism Timeline –

            On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court embraced the National Rifle Association’s contention that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to take violent action against our government should it become “tyrannical.” The following timeline catalogues incidents of insurrectionist violence (or the promotion of such violence) that have occurred since that decision was issued:

            July 27, 2008 — Jim Adkisson shoots and kills two people at a progressive church in Knoxville, Tennessee, wounding two. Adkisson calls it “a symbolic killing” because he really “wanted to kill…every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg’s book,” but was unable to gain access to them.

            Jan. 8, 2011 Tucson …

            Golly, the shouters of ‘left-side does it TOO‘ should have no problem or delay in putting up equal evidence for their claim.


      • ” when was the last time you saw such a horrific act against a Republican/conservative committed by a liberal? You’ll have no substantive answer.”

        Remember the gunman, James Lee, who entered the Discovery Channel building and held hostages, fortunately nobody was killed, but the gunman.

        Lee had published a lefty green manifesto.

        And, in this instance, while the target was the Congresswoman, a conservative federal district judge was killed.

        • J.F.E. Don’t forget Reagan, Gerald Ford twice, Monica Lewinsky biting Bill’s twanger — oh that’s right, that was a liberal taking liberty on a liberal.

          Oh yes, let’s not forget Kissinger on Nixon. Or, let’s see, I guess K bit Nixon in the ass, didn’t he?


          • Hey, smarty…….. Reagan’s shooting had absolutely nothing to do with politics or incendiary rhetoric that motivated the shooter. Look it up, if you don’t believe me……

            The rest of your rant isn’t even worth commenting on………

  9. Palin’s first fault is that she’s a perpetual tenth-grader, which makes her permanently dangerous. Politicians can rarely hold a serious conversation on issues outside of speaking in generalities so not to offend anyone or straying too far from the party line.

    They have speech writers, wanna-be folksy comedians really, that come up with dangerously idiotic catch-phrases that speak to dumbed-down intellect of most Americans. The politicians don’t have fo write legislation honestly because it’s drafted by lobbyists or corporate sponsors who will benefit.

    Both parties lack a serious commitment to returning our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness without a gaggle of offensive laws.

    Palin’s best chance at the presidency would come only if there was a duel instead of an election.

    • Have to agree Denny. She’s all Will Rodgers ..without the humor..or intelligence..or…morals or…well i guess she’s not much like Will Rodgers at all

  10. This guy actually gets paid to write trash like this.

    What a moron! Have you ever heard of a metaphor. The right and left and Commander in cheif uses it.

    Johnny Punish should be fired!

    • Metaphor? Dismissing her lack of judgment and abdication of leadership is extremely suspect.

      Politicians at the highest level who aspire to be leaders like Sarah Palin must be held to highest standards. Putting bulls-eye’s on political material for effect is unacceptable, dangerous and needs to be criminalized for all! Not just her, but all! By not making this criminal earns us an “F” for civility.

  11. Facts:

    – The shooter had no connection whatsoever to Palin or any affiliation with the right, in fact his friends said if anything he was on the far left
    – He was a 9/11 truther and listed the Communist manifesto as one of his favorite books (are these things typical of the right or the left)
    – This article is pathetic

    • IN FACT??? And, where exactly are you getting YOUR information from?


      • Pen, What the f–k is a wahoo? It sounds like hillbilly talk to me. Is that where you’re from? Hillybilly country?

        Pen, Mike, JimmyK, you all are confirming my desire to vote for our next Commander-In-Chief, President Sarah Palin! In fact, I might even decide to work on her campaign. Unless, of course, I work on Donald Trump’s! Or maybe raise money for what’s his name — oh yeah, Mitt Romney.

        Dyammm…. I’m looking forward to 2012! A Tea Party sweep because my old Democratic Party have turned into a bumbling bunch of fools.

        :-) T.V.

        • BTW, Pluto — James is right on. One of Loughner’s other favorite books was Mein Kampf. That’s right. In the favorite’s library along with the Socialist Communist Manifesto ragbag, was Hitler’s breakout National Socialism (Nazis) book. Loughner was a pot-smoking liberal non-thinker who probably had his forbrain destroyed by the THC in the weed.

          It would be interesting to know if Loughner was of Ashkenazi descent or Khazar? I think that would fit Bruce Campbell’s or Gordon Duff’s widely touted paradigm of Israeli conspiracy. Then, this tragic situation could be as simple as the Congresswoman having rejected Loughner in his mind sometime earlier, perhaps at the synagogue their families shared in common.


          • Ashkenazis ARE Khazar descendants, T.V. no “or” about it.

          • Again…… I asked for the poster’s source, not more cheerleading from the peanut gallery from people like you, T.V.


            “BTW, Pluto — James is right on…”

        • No T.V., Massachusetts born and bred, thanks all the same.

          As for voting for Palin, or working for her, nothing would surprise me less. You repeatedly show that you still gulp down the kool aid of this corrupt and treasonous system in large quantities.

          For all your intellect there still remains precious little awareness of who is ultimately benefiting from all your misspent endorsements.

          Have at it, and I’ll reserve my told-you-so’s for the future when the repercussions of the media-led majority’s willful refusal to wake up once again drives us closer to the edge of the cliff (if not over it for good).

          Have at it cowboy.

      • He certainly did not get it from the New York Times!

    • So what does that mean? You don’t need an affiliation to kill someone. Sometimes all you need is a little bug put in your ear.

  12. Sarah Palin thoroughly disgusts me. She is a self-aggrandizing, intellectually challenged woman who is now trying to play “victim” when people have been KILLED…. and, all she appears to care about is that people are calling her—as well as others on the right– out on their incendiary and irresponsible rhetoric in recent years.

    Essentially, Palin’s main claim here is that individuals are 100% responsible for their crimes while any and all external “influential” forces bear NO responsibility.

    If that’s the case, then YES— we need to release Charles Manson from prison IMMEDIATELY……… and, if external influences have NO impact on human behavior— we need to let the wealthiest among us (as well as huge corporate interests) know that they are wasting their millions upon millions of dollars when they contribute to political campaigns, when they pay for mass advertising, etc.

    Her position is nonsensical …………

    • “position is nonsensical …………

      So are you, Pluto.


    • Palin is a Reality TV Star but so is Snooki, JayWoww! Mike the Situation, Paris Hilton, and Kim Kardashian. I like them all including Sister Sarah Barracuda. They are all fun to watch as they bumble through life falling down, getting drunk, getting punched in the face, vomiting, and shooting unsuspecting Caribou for effect.

      But leaders? Let’s reserve this role for the serious, educated, responsible, and wise. GOP and Democrats need to get serious about who they are and who they choose to represent them.

      • J.P. => “But leaders? Let’s reserve this role for the serious, educated, responsible, and wise. GOP and Democrats need to get serious about who they are and who they choose to represent them.”

        T.V. => Man, J.P., that’s too logical and profound for most politicians and politician lovers to grasp. But if we stay away from practicality for the moment, Sarah Barracuda is the only person on the horizon who will get oil back down to the $30 per bbl range and gasoline to $1.49 at the pump. Well, maybe Trump can.

        Politicians just don’t understand numbers unless they are really big and the money they steal belongs to someone else.


  13. One good thing that has come out of this it that Palin is seen as the kook we all know she is.

    • Mike, Only those in Central Wisconsin think she is a kook. Find something logical to talk about. You have the skills aplenty. Use them.


      • C’mon TV,

        You don’t think she’s a dingbat?

        • Anybody who doesnt see that she’s a dingbat really needs their eyes tested.
          My God she makes Bush look intelligent

        • Some of this country’s biggest problems have come from Yale, Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton and the other Ivy League schools. I don’t agree with everything that she says but what the left doesn’t like is her popularity with many Americans, both Republicans and Democrats.

      • Sorry to burst your delusional bubble again, T.V. but she is as devoid of intellectual integrity, moral fiber and political awareness as a lobotomized frog and just as ridiculous to contemplate.

        If Texans actually subscribe to the inane drivel she spews then it truly must be a State full of sun-baked wahoos.

  14. Punish, you are a good guy and former Texan. But here, you just let your idiot side be exposed. I tend to agree with OldCommando’s take.

    Texas Vet

    • We agree! I hold Obama and everyone in leadership responsible for their behavior and actions. Don’t you?

      • Okay, J.P., I agree to agree with you on this point. However, Obama doesn’t seem to hold himself and his actions responsible for anything except his next vacation at our expense. And that vacation will NOT be at the next Royal Wedding. He and Michelle have absolutely been WIPED OFF the guest list (of course, I have been also — though I probably wasn’t on it).

        Smile — T.V.

        • No POTUS or Congress person ever has T.V., so what’s your point? Still trying to sell the kool aid of “my team/the other team”?

          The entire system is criminal to the core and in the service of foreign interests. Those that call that a “government” (leastwise one under the bogus mantra of “of the people, by the people and for the people”) are the ones (and they are the vast majority of brainwashed fools in this country) who need their heads examined.

          Andy Jackson has turned so many times in his grave by now he’s likely halfway to the center of the planet.

          • Yeah, I know Pen. But Andy’s nose was so big, his bone structure makes a perfect drill bit.

            BTW, I agree with your take on “foreign interests”. Actually, I don’t want to tell you this, but a lot of your takes. In the meantime, it’s fun to give you the shit you so roundly deserve!



          • Tex:
            “Andy’s nose was so big, his bone structure makes a perfect drill bit.”

            LOLOL! Now THERE’s a visual..

  15. Does Johnny Punish know who said “If they bring a knife to the fight, then we bring a gun”? I’ll give a hint, it was our current Commander in Chief.

    • so you can pick up one instance where he used a tough sentance to combat the bambardment of this hate rhetoric on the left. the way to win is put people in my cross hairs. he is a right wing wac job

    • Did I mention that only Republicans are to be held to this standard and Democrats are to be excused? Hum? Try No! Anyone who incites violence needs to be arrested for crimes against the people. I don’t excuse anyone from responsibility, do you?

  16. Our law enforcement agencies would be well advised to put surveillance on Johnny Punish. It was the same kind of warped opinion he expressed in this article that was expressed about our political figures by the psycho who committed the terrible slaughter in Arizona.

    • Not the same at all……… but, hey— I guess since you disagree with him, that’s all that counts.

    • So what else is new with Johnny boy? He is not the only one that trys to get a story to sound like it is someones else’s name to put the blame on. Why in hell can’t some proof be made instead of several maybes ,could bes, and the rest of the crap. Everything seems to be a conspiracy or making things appear that way. Lets see some PROOF_PROOF SEEVIEW

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