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American “Preacher of Hate” to Tour UK
John Hagee, Martin Luther King, Jr: Birmingham Alabama & the UK
by Eileen Fleming
Fundamentalist and rabid Zionist fire and brimstone preacher John Hagee is taking his ‘mission’ to Birmingham, UK on 18-20 August, “teaching the Book of Revelation” with the “goal” to “reveal the world tomorrow, confirm the total accuracy of Bible prophecy and give you a better understanding of the current crisis America and the world are facing.” [1]
Hagee and his ‘disciples’ should begin at the very end of the book of Revelation which “warns everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them. God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life.”-Rev. 22:18-19
The Book of the Revelation of Saint John the Divine, who written during the time John was was exiled to Patmos in the Aegean archipelago during the reign of Domitian, at the end of the 1st century.
No one knows what John was burning as incense or how much wine he consumed when he wrote this piece of apocalyptic literature which is “marked by distinctive literary features, particularly prediction of future events and accounts of visionary experiences or journeys to heaven, often involving vivid symbolism.”
John’s poem, dreams and visions were written for the people of his day and it was his way to confront the Roman Occupying Forces.
In his Letter from Birmingham Jail, Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. directly challenged his “fellow clergymen” and the willfully ignorant
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.
“There are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
“I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.
“Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
“Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever and if repressed emotions are not released in nonviolent ways, they will seek expression through violence; this is not a threat but a fact of history.”
For the many who take the Bible literally I wonder why they do not take Jesus more seriously, for he warned it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God-not those that bomb, torture or occupy others and do NOT judge others.
“John Hagee believes the Holocaust was part of God’s plan to force Jews to return to Israel…He compared Adolf Hitler in one sermon to a ‘hunter’ sent by God to force Jews to live in Israel and said the Koran gave Muslims ‘a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews’.
“He also claimed that 200 million Muslims were ready to commit violence against the US and Israel. In the same interview he claimed Hurricane Katrina, which killed 1,800 people in 2005, was ‘the judgment of God against New Orleans’ because of a planned ‘homosexual parade’.” [2]
On 6 November 2007, I attended a CUFI/Christians United for Israel event at the James L. Knight Center in Miami, which was packed to the rafters with Hagee’s tribe of Christian Zionists and south Florida’s right wing Jewish community.
Zion’s Fire Banners, dancers, singers and a band whipped the crowd into a frenzy of spinning, jumping, clapping, twirling and moved the rotund Hagee to link arms with men in skull caps and dance the Hora-not to Hava Nagila, but to repeated choruses of:
Shout for joy and victory! Bat Yerushalyim
From one end of the stage to the other, the largest American and Israeli flags I have ever seen were draped side by side and by the end of the evening I imagined every star on the red-white-and blue had morphed into the Star of David.
Miami-Dade County Commissioner Joe Martinez pointed to the flags and exclaimed: “Isn’t that beautiful up there together? I get goose bumps! All nations have been created by an act of man, except Israel was created by an act of God.”
Rabbi Freedman delivered the Invocation, “We are all friends of the only democracy in the Middle East.”
I immediately recalled what American Israeli, Jeff Halper, the Founder and Coordinator of ICAHD/Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions told me during one of my five journeys to Jerusalem:
“Israel is a not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control.”
Rabbi Freedman continued on, “From Mount Sinai to Mount Zion to Mount Vernon we are all Zionists! Israel is second to America in how many immigrants we have absorbed.”
Immigrant absorption in Israel comes with perks and is called Aliyah, ["go up"] and is a fundamental concept of Zionism enshrined in Israel’s Law of Return, which permits any Jew from any where in the world the legal right to government assisted immigration and settlement in Israel, automatic Israeli citizenship, unemployment benefits, free medical, and subsidized housing. Young adult immigrants receive free room, utilities, and three meals a day for the first five months and 100 percent of their tuition is paid by the government.
Hagee’s mastery of manipulating the fears of his audience garnered him a standing ovation as the shofars blew, “Israel was re-born by an act of God and Israel lives! The Jews have suffered great persecution and survived slavery and the Final Solution! God Jehovah will bury Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran! The flag of Israel will fly over the undivided Jerusalem and be the praise of all the earth! It’s 1938 again and the new Hitler is Ahmadinejad! Radical Islamisicts are threatening to develop nuclear weapons in order to destroy Israel and then the USA! But we are indivisible and we are both here forever!”
However, “In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word “map” or the term “wiped off”. According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was “this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”
“In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah’s regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the “occupying regime” in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, “This too shall pass.” [3]
Tikkun is Hebrew for mend, repair and transform the world.
Tikkun is also an organization and magazine that researched to discover three distinct elements that energize Christian Zionists:
1. A strong commitment to conservative and ultra-nationalist American politics (so strong, I believe, that if the U.S. were to decide to break with Israel, this part of the Christian Zionist leadership would go along with that and drop its defense of Israeli policies).
2. Dispensationalist religious commitments that lead many of the Christian Zionists to yearn for a cataclysmic “end of history” eschatological war in the Middle East that will precipitate the second coming of Jesus and the Rapture in which all true Christians will go to heaven and all Jews who have not yet converted to Christianity will burn in hell for eternity.
3. A widespread understanding among many Christians that atonement and repentance is needed for 1700 years of murder, rape, and oppression of Jews that was frequently generated by the Church (though, of course, the Evangelicals do not recognize that church as their church). In this category are many Christian Zionists who genuinely feel terrible about what has happened to the Jews and genuinely want to help the Jewish people. Their philo-Semitism is real and sincere.
But in Miami that night, multitudes of misled and misinformed Christian’s celebrated military occupation, violence, power and control and ignored the gospel Jesus preached: “It is the peacemakers who shall be called the children of God.” –Matthew 5:9
Hagee repeatedly cited that all worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but neglected to mention that the first mention of Israel is in Genesis 32:22, when Jacob was renamed Israel for having wrestled and struggled with the Divine.
Hagee threw out the names of all the Hebrew prophets, but not the fact that God raised up prophets to speak truth to power and arrogance and to remind people of what God desires:
“What does God require? He has told you o’man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.” -Micah 6:8
God raised up prophets to admonish the “stiff necked people” [Exodus 34:9, Proverbs 29:1] because “My people are fools, they do not know me! They are skilled in doing evil, they know not how to do good.”-Jeremiah 4:22
Hagee invoked the “Torah Way” but neglected what the Torah commands:
“From Moses to Jeremiah and Isaiah, the Prophets taught…that the Jewish claim on the land of Israel was totally contingent on the moral and spiritual life of the Jews who lived there, and that the land would, as the Torah tells us, ‘vomit you out’ if people did not live according to the highest moral vision of Torah. Over and over again, the Torah repeated its most frequently stated mitzvah [command]:
“When you enter your land, do not oppress the stranger; the other, the one who is an outsider of your society, the powerless one and then not only ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself’ but also ‘you shall love the other.’”
- www.jhmevents.org
- Controversial US Preacher John Hagee due to speak in Birmingham
- www.counterpunch.org
- Rabbi Lerner, TIKKUN Magazine, page 35, Sept./Oct. 2007
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Correct me if wrong, but I have read that Scofield, the famous creator of the propagandist bible commentaries used by fundamentalists in the US, was a freemason. I have read the words of the “pope’ of freemasons, whose statue sits in DC adjacent to the supreme court, that the highest teaching is that god is actually Lucifer. Some folks are so stupid they seemingly cannot put two and two together.
HalleluYah!! You are correct!!!
Rev 3:8 “I know your works – see, I have set before you an open door, and no one is able to shut it – that you have little power, yet have guarded My Word, and have not denied My Name.
Rev 3:9 “See, I am giving up those of the congregation of Satan, who say they are Yehuḏim and are not, but lie. See, I am making them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Rev 3:10 “Because you have guarded My Word of endurance, I also shall guard you from the hour of trial which shall come upon all the world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
He was also a convicted felon.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU FOR THIS PIECE!!!
Thank YOU for reading and thinking!
There were no so-called “JEWS” in the Old Testament. Today 90% of so-called “JEWS” are in fact Khazar Ashkenazim PROSELYTES to Talmudic Judaism, an ANTI-Israelite , ANTI-ISRAEL religion. The Source of Bad Faith, “THEY” do the deeds of their progenitor, THE DEVIL. LIARS & MASS MURDERERS who have through BEARING FALSE WITNESS {JEWISH NARRATIVE} deceived many {STRONG DELUSION}…ALL People on Earth must stop calling the stool sculpture Deity Cult “TERRITORY” in occupied Palestine “ISRAEL”…Israel is a people, NOT A PLACE…See Revelation 7 & Gen 49 & Deut 32…where the tribes/Nations of israelites are listed…NON are “JEWISH”.. a stool sculpture deity cult…[http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/was_index.html] …..See Also Henry Makows’ piece today concerning Juri Linas’ work.[http://www.henrymakow.com/jacob_schiff_ordered_murder_of.html] Zionazi “TALMUDIC TERRORISTS” will never be Israel…and all the braindeadgoy “JEW WORSHIPPING” morons can’t change the TRUTH by repeating “JEWISH LIES”…!!![http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2005/09/11] IF the so-called “JEWISH STATE” was really “Israel”…shouldn’t America be reaping the “BLESSINGS” for blessing “ISRAEL”…? Can Anyone name ONE BLESSING to befall America in the lat 62 YEARS ? ?
It would seem his card is already marked. Of note is the high muslim population in and around Birmingham. We even have a Karachi Fried Chicken restaurant … good food.
His choice of city seems to be inflammatory perhaps a deliberate provocation to attract protest. I will pressure my MP to block his visit on those grounds. He will probably need a temporary event notice in order to hold the event, the police can object and cancel it if there is likely to be trouble. Another avenue to pursue.
Failing that this may raise an opportunity to increase awareness of the Zio Stooge problem in the UK amongst a diverse bunch.
I do wonder if anyone would turn up to see him he sounds barking mad, I think it unlikely that he will gain many converts.
The pink brigade are also onto him already.
An MP has asked Home Secretary Theresa May why an anti-gay US preacher is being allowed into the UK.
Labour MP Richard Burden told the Birmingham Mail that people would question why Pastor John Hagee is allowed into the country while other hate preachers, such as Muslim speaker Sheikh Raed Salah, are banned.
Mr Burden was due to speak at an event with Mr Salah but the latter was arrested after arriving in the UK. He was supposed to have been banned from entering the UK after claims of anti-Semitism.
He claims that Catholics and the Roman Church are somehow responsible for millenia of anti-Semitism and the death of Jesus Christ. Utterly ridiculous. Pastor John Hagee has also publicly stated to the 19,000 active members of his congregation and millions of television viewers that the United States of America MUST launch a pre-emptive strike on Iran immediately. John Hagee not only publicly states that he holds such beliefs, but he contradicts himself time and again in his personal life- John Hagee had an adulterous affair and divorced his wife to unbiblically remarry a much younger woman from his own former congregation. What does John Hagee get in return for his heretical ministry? John Hagee has a $2.1 million dollar 7,969 acre ranch with not one, but FIVE lodges, a managers house, a gun locker, a smoke house, a skeet range and three barns. In the year 2001, John Hagee received $842,000 in salary and $414,485 in benefits making him one of the best paid men on earth in ANY field. For comparison, Billy Graham (probably the most well known living religious figure in America), took only $174,000 in compensation that year. I went into business to make money, but perhaps I should’ve become a pastor!!!
Agreed he won’t win any new converts- and YES he is “barking mad”?
Who are the “pink brigade”?
Please alert your MP to this article and keep us posted on developments in the UK.
Thanks.
typo correction:
Agreed he won’t win any new converts- and YES he is “barking mad”!!!
“pink brigade” is my irreverent stereotyping and reference to these people. The Pink News “Europes Largest Gay News Service”. The point being that they are a loud well organised bunch who stick up for their rights and know how to protest. They have probably already begun to make life difficult for Hagee.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/07/07/mp-complains-over-anti-gay-preachers-uk-visit/
4 days after they ran the article see below.
Something has already prompted Birmingham City Council to issue a statement.
Statement on John Hagee’s planned visit to Birmingham
By
admin
– July 12, 2011Posted in: News
Commenting on news that Pastor John Hagee is due to speak at Birmingham Symphony Hall next month:
Councillor Alan Rudge, Cabinet Member for Equalities and Human Resources and Deputy Leader of the Conservative Executive, said:
“Birmingham City Council is clear that the responsibility for making and managing bookings lies with Symphony Hall and, ultimately, the Performances Birmingham Trustees.
“They are an independent organisation and it would be wholly inappropriate for us to interfere.
“Clearly, if there are concerns about any person’s fitness to enter the UK then that is an issue which needs to be taken up with the Home Office.”
Ok its a disclaimer but Hagee appears to be making waves he in the papers and on the blogs. Cut and paste the link below and you should get the same local search results as I do.
regards
http://www.google.comcse?cx=002683415331144861350%3Atsq8didf9x0q=John+hagee+visit+to+birmingham&ie=utf-8&sa=Search
Put your hand on your wallet and repeat after me…..
this lost soul is divorced and I thought divorced ministers (sic) could not represent The Body of Christ – of course, that is not my belief but it is of those who claim to be his followers –
The War Widows
John l4:12 healing such Hebrews 6:6
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I am an Arny vet and have an earned masters degree in the Bible and I can tell you this C.I. Schofield was a “christian scholar” that dumped his wife and kids for another woman and spent time in jail for defrauding (forgery) his mother in law. When he made tons of money selling his so called Bible, he never repaid the money as it would be easy for him to do so. Jesus said by their fruits….He popularized the rapture, dispensational theology and the zionist regathering. Beware
Hi Eileen
I was quite interested when I saw this article and I enjoyed reading through it. If one writes a column I suppose you are expressing your personal opinions. Saying this, I also think it is fair to say that if one tries to state things to an extreme, you risk your credibility unless you are talking to people who are effectively brainwashed. They want to read this message and therefore they rave about it.
I could not help but notice that there is a long string of inaccuracies and even plain propaganda. For example, the map you have there is not based on fact at all. A quick search on google will be quite revealing. Any map with this type of topic should start from the 1920 British Mandate area for Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine). The British Mandate area was to be divided into 2 viable countries. One for Jews and One for Palestinians. I won’t take this line further as I am sure that you can find out where that went.
A very good book on the subject is Palestine Betrayed by Efraim Karsh who provides a well balanced analysis. He is Professor and Head of Middle East & Med Studies at Kings College.
In my experience there is hardly a chance for progress if parties take extreme views and as such I want to encourage you to try re-tell this story from the other side and perhaps then you may find equilibrium, and contribute to public discussions where constructive dialogue can happen.
Quo Vadis John Hagee? Well perhaps you should not believe everything people put on the internet about him, or perhaps he is a voice that adds to the free bank of expression that is so desperately needed in a democracy. As you may write an article that I guess would get links ffrom Palestinian websites, surely Hagee can share his views?
The UK government moves in a mysterious way – it barred David Duke and Louis Farrakhan, and arrested Palestinian leader Raed Salah, but let John Hagee in.
I received an email from someone in the UK telling me Hagee was banned-but his schedule remains online claiming he will be playing in Birmingham, UK this August.
They have the same destiny
Israel, Judah, Britain And America
http://www.peterjamesx.com/prints/Prt%20Israel%20Judah%20Britain%20and%20America.htm
John sends an email to you based on wikipedia and Efrain Karsh and based on that John writes that Ms Fleming’s credibility could be at risk. So you are allowing the readers to denounce her based on your wikipedia and Karsh book. What else do you have to propose? What is your experience in regards to the Palestinian problem? Would you like to live herded onto a strip? If they can, Israel will form a large country just like the USA got bigger by moving Indians. They are doing a good job of it with the billions they get out of us plus Wolfowitz Zionist rigged invasion of Iraq 2003.
If I read two dozen books on Palestine it hardly makes me an expert but I would like to know just what you are telling Ms Fleming.
Have you ever be chased into the hot sun and undergo bombings? Have you ever had your ancestral home bulldozed. I cannot speak for my father’s Irish ancestors who had to leave famine Ireland in 1840s. If I had to do it over again I would not have joined Marines in late 60s. I have to have a good reason for doing things and hurting people is not something I will do. It seems that Israel has its manifest destiny but they insist on US $$$ in getting there.
WIKI and me have been in a BATTLE for a long time now and I published the first go around on my site on June 17, 2010: Mordechai Vanunu, Mainstream Media, Wikipedia and a PS: To the Book Publishing World
Last week WIKI also deleted my update to Vanunu’s WIKI page regarding the FACT that Israeli Court stated that Vanunu must receive an answer regarding his request to revoke his citizenship under their Citizen Revocation Act- PLEASE visit his plea on his YOUTUBE channel: vanunuvmjc
I would post all the direct links but because VT holds up all comments with links and i have no power to approve them so i must leave it to people of CONSCIENCE to find their way and GODSPEED unto you!
Here’s hoping VT will approve these direct links:
June 17, 2010: Mordechai Vanunu, Mainstream Media, Wikipedia and a PS: To the Book Publishing World
http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1762&Itemid=234
Vanunu Mordechai ,Revoking my Citizenship-MAY 5-2011eng’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6CZqLjyWQs&feature=channel_video_title
PS If Hagee goes to Ireland I know they will call him an eejit. They have too much common sense to put up with a warmongering deluded con artist.
Wow. Now I see how this stuff works- why WIKI is selective in what it gives out for information.
Thanks, Eileen.
I read article from 2006. Did you ever get response from any newspaper. Thanks for supporting Vannunu. I was so naive for many years when in jobs around soldiers who were all in staff sections, they always were quiet when I brought up topics that were not pleasant. Vannunu is one of those people, the few, the proud, the “saints”, who seem to have perceptive minds and are willing to speak up. Vannunu is a very rare pearl- the pearl of great price- where it is worth selling much in order to protect him and give him hope and encouragement. Thanks for backing him. I can now only laugh at jobs I lost and also at people who supported me but they knew that they could not cross the line that I did. It is hell to go through years of solitary. How do they do it?
I have been ignored by THE MEDIA although NOT for lack of my trying to get them to REPORT on Vanunu’s historic FREEDOM OF SPEECH TRIAL.
As Vanunu old me on 26 March 2006:
“Many journalists come here to the American Colony, from CNN and NY Times. They all want to cover my story, but their EDITORS say no…CNN wants to interview me; but they say they can’t do it because they don’t want problems with the Israeli censor. BBC is doing the same thing.
“Sixty Minutes from the United States from the beginning they wanted to do a program, but because of the censor situation they decide not to do it. Also big media from Germany, France, Italy, Japan. None of them wants problems with the Israelis.”
I had NO problem doing what Big Boy Media didn’t have the balls/thatchers to in “BEYOND NUCLEAR: Mordechai Vanunu’s FREEDOM of SPEECH Trial and My Life as a Muckraker: 2005-2010″ which is also my only fundraising vehicle in my run for US House of Representatives 2012!
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