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The Fighting Father, a Christian Anarchist and God Part III

“You glorify the past, when the future dries up.”-U2, God Part II

 

by Eileen Fleming

 

Native Australian, Professional boxer and social justice Anglican priest, Rev. David B. Smith is currently in the midst of a 17 day USA speaking tour that began in California and concludes in D.C.

While in Florida, Rev. Dave and this reporter got together around my kitchen table and began a two day conversation about God, Israel, Palestine, Zionism, Human Rights, Mordechai Vanunu, etc. and we began with a few of my theological questions:

My first book, KEEP HOPE ALIVE, was written with hope to inform USA Christians of the Palestinian side of the story of the establishment of the state of Israel and also as a direct challenge to the putrid pulp fiction of the “Left Behind Series” which promotes a heretical theology of escapism that leaves behind the message that Jesus commanded his followers must adhere to: forgive, pray for, bless and love your enemy and to respond to evil with nonviolence for it is the Peacemakers who are the daughters and sons of God.

From Smith’s 2006 essay, “The final word on the place of modern Israel in Biblical Prophecy” I excerpt:

“I’ve been hearing it, in one form or another, every since I was converted as a teenager – that God has a plan for political Israel…the spiel is always basically the same – that the triumph of Israel over its Middle-Eastern neighbors has been clearly prophesied in the Biblical texts, and that until this happens, the ‘final battle’ (‘Armageddon’) and the ensuing 1000-year reign of peace can’t happen either.

“Biblical prophecy is never normative. In other words, prophecies in the Bible never function as commandments – telling us directly how to determine our relationships with our neighbors. They function to bring us closer to God.

“Biblical prophecies are not given for the sake of satisfying anybody’s curiosity about the future, any more than they are designed to help shape 21st century foreign policy. Prophecies are given in order to call people to back to God. This is where Christian Zionism just gets it plain wrong.” [1]

The Christian Zionists political message is “that we should all lend a hand to the state of Israel in her battles with her neighbors” and Dave explains that this miss-interpretation of Scriptures, “tends to flourish best in areas of the church where there is a strong distinction between the sacred and the secular – between religion and politics…[and] they translate into an aggressively pro-Israel foreign policy…in my view, Christian Zionism is both wrong and dangerous!

“It is wrong because it arises out of a misunderstanding of the Bible. It is dangerous because it sanctions actions that contribute to the supremacy of the state of Israel without regards to their broader consequences, and without any serious evaluation of the moral nature of the actions themselves.

“Biblical prophecy has never been normative for people of faith. It is the commandments that are normative. You know the ones – ‘love God and love your neighbor’. These are the Divine commands that inform our actions and tell us how we ought to behave towards our neighbors. And it is only on the basis of these commandments that we can construct a Biblically-based foreign policy – on the basis of love!” [Ibid]

Being the first candidate of the Citizen of Conscience Party to run for US House of Representatives, I am in solidarity with all of that and I also stand on 1 John 4:16,18:

“God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. There is no fear in love. Perfect love drives out all fear because fear has to do with punishment.”

I also contend that living in the past has got no soul and the future of Christianity will not be found in antiquity, but in our ability to re-IMAGINE those ancient stories, symbols and concepts with modern eyes and open minds and hearts.

Christianity came into existence in a world radically different than ours. The ancients believed the Universe consisted of three tiers; the earth at the center was flat, and the judging, all knowing deity was up in the sky and hell was the place below.

The ancients ascribed to a tribal, male supernatural being who validated warfare as a noble and divine enterprise and his foreign policy was pro-Jewish.

The Christian god “evolved’ from tribal roots and the power of the Church to control knowledge and public opinion in an invasive deity dominated civilization for 1,600 years until a new concept dawned.

Copernicus and his disciple Galileo concluded that the sun did not rotate around the earth but that the earth rotated around the sun. This revolutionary evolution in consciousness began the shift from a god who was not so involved in the daily affairs of humans.

Galileo was condemned a heretic but on 28 December 1991, the Vatican officially admitted that he was right and the Church and Bible had been wrong about the universe and humankind’s place in it.

When Freud exposed the childish neurotic elements in religion he was vilified and demonized by Christian leaders.

Carl Jung offered a bridge of reconciliation when he recognized the historic process necessary in the development of Consciousness; which is the quality or state of being aware of something within oneself.

Albert Einstein introduced relativity as present in all things including “eternal and unchanging truth.”

Astrophysicists raised awareness of the emptiness in the heavens above and that hit at the heart of human loneliness, which is self-absorption meaning a preoccupation with oneself to the exclusion of others or the outside world.

“In the West there is loneliness, which I call the leprosy of the West. In many ways it is worse than our poor in Calcutta.”-Mother Teresa, Commonweal, Dec 19, 1997.

The theistic concepts of a supernatural big daddy in the sky, an errand boy just waiting to fill our desires, and a deity that will punish us and thus motivates behavior is a god that must at least be fired, if not killed; for the Ultimate Mystery of the Universe we call God, for lack of a better name is beyond all concepts and “Any god who can be killed ought to be killed.”- Clifford Stanley, Episcopal Priest and Professor of Theology

Among the forward thinking founding father’s of America was Thomas Jefferson, who weeded out the miracle stories from the gospels and clarified the teachings and ethics of Christ in:

THE LIFE AND MORALS of JESUS of NAZARETH:

1. Be just: justice comes from virtue, which comes from the heart.
2. Treat people the way we want to be treated.
3. Always work for PEACEFUL resolutions, even to the point of returning violence with COMPASSION.
4. Consider valuable the things that have no material value.
5. Do not judge others.
6. Do not bear grudges.
7. Be modest and unpretentious.
8. Give out of true generosity, not because we expect to be repaid.
9. Being true to one’s self in more important than being loyal to one’s family and those who think they know the most are the most ignorant.

The most ignored of our founding fathers was Thomas Paine, who penned:

“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.”

“Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true.”

“Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.”

“Every religion is good that teaches man to be good; and I know of none that instructs him to be bad.”

“Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.”

“Soon after I had published the pamphlet ‘Common Sense’ [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion… The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.

“Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God and angels know of us.”

I contend that compassion is evidence of The Divine and as Smith concludes:

“When you confuse prophecy and commandment, you run the risk of breaking the commandments for the sake of seeing your prophecy fulfilled. Let’s get specific here:

“The oppression of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel in recent years has been horrendous. Between the massacres and assassinations and the daily grind of an apartheid system that treats Israeli Arabs as second-class citizens, all the commandments have been broken.

“If we look at the situation through the eyes of Jesus – with eyes of compassion and mercy – we cannot but be moved to both pity and anger. Pity for the many who have been victimized – both Palestinians and Jews who have tried to resist the occupation. And anger towards the foreign countries who make the oppression possible – countries that include Australia as well as the US.

“And the saddest part, from my point of view, is that much of this oppression takes place in the name of religion, and with the blessing of the many parts of Christ’s church, because it is all seen as being a necessary part of the great end-time drama, as depicted in the Biblical prophecies.

“The fact that something has been prophesied does not mean that such an outcome is a good thing. The predicted events may be things that we should oppose. We need to be guided here by the commandments. The commandments inform our actions, not the prophecies themselves…the Christian Zionist position is not logical, it’s not moral, and it’s certainly not Biblical, even if its adherents to add ‘because the Bible says’ every time they state their case.’” [Ibid]

God gave us a conscience that we should use it and I contend that a prophet is anyone who points out danger ahead and provokes those so inclined to think about God-to THINK!

I pray that God will continue to raise up prophets to admonish ALL “stiff necked people” [Exodus 34:9, Proverbs 29:1] because “people are fools, they do not know me! They are skilled in doing evil, they know not how to do good.”-Jeremiah 4:22

“From Moses to Jeremiah and Isaiah, the Prophets taught…that the Jewish claim on the land of Israel was totally contingent on the moral and spiritual life of the Jews who lived there, and that the land would, as the Torah tells us, ‘vomit you out’ if people did not live according to the highest moral vision of Torah. Over and over again, the Torah repeated its most frequently stated mitzvah [command]:

“When you enter your land, do not oppress the stranger; the other, the one who is an outsider of your society, the powerless one and then not only ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself’ but also ‘you shall love the other.'” [2]

“If I can’t dance, it’s NOT my REVOLUTION” [Emma Goldman] and as a fiscal conservative with libertarian leanings I am also in solidarity with U2’s God Part II

“I believe in love.”

  1. Israel in Prophecy
  2. Rabbi Lerner, TIKKUN Magazine, page 35, Sept./Oct. 2007

 

 

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54 Comments for “The Fighting Father, a Christian Anarchist and God Part III”

  1. Hmmm. He blamed Rome for crucifying Christ. Even I know that its not entirely correct.

    • What do you mean Derek?
      The Jews did not crucify JC although the Temple hierarchy most likely was grateful, but the Roman Occupying Forces method of capitol punishment was crucifixion, and that reminds me of another Lennon ditty:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiT3BsK3JHA

      PS: If I can’t laugh and “If I can’t dance, it’s not my revolution.”-Emma Goldman

      • Romans had conquered all the area in which Jesus lived & taught. The Romans allowed Jews to continue with their Sanhedrin (their government), but the Romans took away capital punishment from them. In order to have Jesus crucified, the Jewish leaders had to manipulate Rome into doing it. First, the Jewish leaders had to lie – make up charges (Lk. 23: 2, 3). Jewish leaders persisted in their demands for crucifixion (vss. 5-19). NT writers charged the Jews with having Jesus crucified(Acts 2: 36, 3: 13-17)

        • The Governor of Judea –Pilate- argued with the demonic JEW mobs that Jesus was an innocent man. Pilate further demanded to know from the Jew mob/”multitude,” WHY they would have Him murdered? ONLY when he was shouted down by the blood lust of screams for the blood of Jesus did he RELUCTANTLY acquiesce & RESTATE the innocence of Jesus & wash his hands of the guilt of Jesus’s life. The mob answered as ONE that THEY & their children would WILLINGLY share the guilt of His murder for eternity.

        • “Crucify Him. His blood be upon us and our children”
          – Mt 27:25 – Jews to Pilate

          • The Bible stories are stories written down after decades-sometimes centuries-after the stories were told and retold.

            Anyone who has ever played ‘telephone’ as a kid knows what happens to stories that are retold-they change!

            2,000 years ago most ALL of Jesus’s followers were Jews but Rome was the Authority and to deflect Romes wrath against them many stories were spun to blame the Jews and that is when anti-Antisemitism was born.

            Please understand that the scribes were also imperfect people who made mistakes, some even edited the stories to promote their own agendas.

            In 1996, Bishop John Shelly Spong, wrote, “Liberating the Gospels” and contended that the writers of the synoptic gospels-Luke, Matthew and Mark- were NOT even eye witnesses to the life and death of Jesus/The Prince of Peace and those gospels/good news were not even based on eye witness memories.

            Instead, they were liturgical works organized around the Jewish liturgical year and were NOT to be taken literally, but probed within the Jewish context.

            Until the Church got in bed with Emperor Constantine, all the churches were hot beds of individuality and not the institutions that have become big business today.

            In 1994, Spong wrote, “Resurrection: Myth or Reality?” which faced the fact that viewing the resurrection of The Prince of Peace as PHYSICAL was a late developing tradition in early Christianity, which was called The Way until the days of Paul, in the third decade.

            Paul as well as the gospel writers of Mark and Matthew made NO such claim that the burst of life, light and energy that accompanied the birth of Christianity was dependent on this orthodox theology or any dogma.

            In 1996, Spong wrote, “Liberating the Gospels” and contended that the writers of the synoptic gospels-Luke, Matthew and Mark- were NOT eye witnesses to the life and death of The Prince of Peace and these gospels/good news were not even based on eye witness memories.

            Instead, they were liturgical works organized around the Jewish liturgical year and were NOT to be taken literally, but probed within the Jewish context.

            The Prince of Peace/Jesus was never a Christian; but a social justice, radical revolutionary nonviolent Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were: poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.

            What got The Prince of Peace crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces by teaching the subversive concept that God/Pure Being preferred the humble, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under a brutal Roman Occupation above the powerful, elite and arrogant.

          • I agree the whole bible in its current form is not like the original. There were no “Jews” in Jesus day though. They followed Moaism (religion of Moses).

            What you said though is that Jesus threatened Rome when he was preaching against the pharisees the jews practice today so imo they felt more threatened by Him than Rome did.

            Also you mentioned all His followers 2000 yrs ago were Jews. I tend to disagree a touch. Many of His followers were gentiles.

            I really appreciate the time you take to reply to comments.

          • Dear Derek,
            My CONSCIENCE compels me to listen/read all who bother to read me and I consider it a great honor and opportunity when ever we further the conversation!

  2. Eileen Fleming, you have a good heart and a lot of intelligence, and you are searching for the truth, unlike many who are satisfied to watch their favorite TV shows, think US is still an honest country, and in general get by on modern culture- yuck.
    Your writings are excellent – I cannot witness these conversations outside of articles like yours and many others from VT. Please keep these conversations going.
    As a kid I walked all over the streets of NY City and have seen Levittown. My father’s family is from western Galway, western Clare and still in Connemara.
    Be careful with that Florida sun- it’s not fun for some of us getting roasted every time we step out into summer sun.

    • U R sweet 60sstreetpunk!

      As Edward R. Murrow warned US in the 1950’s that as TV went into the ‘entertainment’ business and became less about shows of enlightenment it would be the dumbing down of America!

      Like most prophets he was ignored and i must add that Americans TV addiction also has also resulted in many fat flabby asses and pendulous bellies.

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  4. Jesus was a jew and when a jew gives you a present you better count your fingers after receiving it!!!
    The Bible is a copy of the Torah and better to understand the whole fake you MUST read the Talmud, the second holy book of jews.
    You find in there instruction how to cheat the goyims, (us not jews), sex with 3 year old girls and boys, killing a goyim is not a sin, contract with goyims are not binding, etc.
    For help you may want to YouTube Ted Pike, he will translate the Talmud for you. Or you may find it in any major library.

    • The problem is NOT ‘the Jews’ but ZIONISM which has become an ideology of supremacy that has corrupted what true Judaism is based upon: JUSTICE!

      And the fastest growing cult in the USA is the cult of Christian Zionism, which is an extremist Christian movement, that supports the claims of those who believe that the State of Israel should take control of all of the land currently disputed between Palestinians and Israelis. It views the creation and expansion of the modern state of Israel as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy toward the second coming of Jesus.

      Christian Zionism is a modern theological and political movement that embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism, thereby becoming detrimental to a just peace within Palestine and Israel. The Christian Zionist program provides a worldview where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it laces an emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ’s love and justice today.

      Believing that God fights on the side of Israel, Christian Zionists call for the unqualified support for the most extreme political positions. They do not have eyes to see or ears to hear their sisters and brothers in Christ, or cousins in the family of Father Abraham who are caught in the crossfire of the military minded.

      Christian Zionist spokes persons have also attributed Hurricane Katrina to God’s wrath over America’s failure to stop Israel from “disengaging” from Gaza in 2005, although Israel has never ceased their total control over air, land and sea borders!

      They also consistently oppose any moves towards a solution to the conflict, which would validate the political aspirations of both Palestinians and Israelis.

      Christian Zionism has significant support within American Protestant fundamentalists, and number between 10 and 20 million. Its reach is broad, by virtue of its favorite themes related to the “End Times” and an Israel-fixated Christian media.

      Christian Zionism is both a political movement and a way of mis-interpreting current events. Its focus on Israel and the Middle East is an ideology and a movement. Its promoters share many beliefs but are not organized through any one institution.

      Throughout history Christians have at times twisted scripture to justify violence: for the Crusades, for Antisemitism, and for slavery.

      Too often the Church has been slow to respond to these biblical distortions and with disastrous results.

      Today Christian Zionists – particularly those with dispensationalist leanings – are well organized and although their motives are couched in terms of compassion toward the Jewish people they base their theology on literal readings of scripture.

      The political agenda of territorial expansion advocated by Christian Zionists has given rise to the brutal injustices against Palestinians, which fuels the fires of militancy in the Middle East.

      While Jewish Zionism began with the hope that all Jewish people would have a safe and peaceful dwelling place, these corruptors of the gospel Christ preached, adhere to a 200 year old convoluted interpretation of disparate scriptures that they have chosen to weave together to support their fear based judgmental narrow minded doctrine.

      This heretical theology of Premellenial Dispensation worships a god of Armageddon and not the God of love, forgiveness and compassion that Jesus/The Prince of Peace modeled even while being nailed to a cross.

      • Hats off to you Eileen.

      • The Problem is the jews and zionists. The Talmud is their most holy book and they don’t give two shekels for the Old Testament the way Christians are brainwashed by their own so called leaders. jews have their Torah but more importantly they have the Talmud which is their instructional guide on how to kill gentiles.

    • Jesus Christ was NOT a jew. He’s referred to as a “Rabbi” in scripture but “Rabbi” in Hebrew means teacher. That does not make him a jew. jews use this ruse against Christians so they won’t fight back.

      Here’s the rest of what jews say about Jesus Christ (they usually shorten it to “You know your Jesus was jewish” and I’ve had them say this to me before)

      “You know your Jesus was jewish. He was the bastard son of the town whore, Mary and a Roman Legionaire. He’s dead and in Hell boiling in his own excrement. If you kneel to the bastard son of the town whore, so shall you kneel to all of us!”

      What

      • Vox

        Your saying Jesus was not a jew, but a rabbi, is simply nonsense!!
        A rabbi is always a jew, I have known many rabbis, however not one of them was a christian or any other religion. Jesus had a jewish mother and father, so he is a jew!!
        According to your theory the pope is not catholic, but a bishop. Nonsense, my friend.

        • Nonsense! judaism is a recent invention by Freemasons that share the same cult status as Satan worshippers. There was no such religion in Jesus Christ’s time. Those calling themselves jews are aethists that joined for the sake of the business connections the same as Freemasons do. jew have no relationship with God, only money.

          • OIY!

            JC was born, lived and died a Palestinian devout Jew under a brutal military occupation and as an American-Irish dissident and devout story teller I excerpt from “Keep Hope Alive” my first book with hope to wake Americans up:

            Brother Harold lifted his almost empty pouch of Crown Royal and exclaimed, “Let’s toast the man, and then I’ll tell you what my daddy told me when I was a kid, when my brothers and I would get out of hand. He’d say, ‘boys, you all are going the way of Cain and Abel, and you’d better quit. For one of those boys was filled with so much hatred and jealousy that he killed the other.’ Then my old man would be on a roll, and he’d tell us about Sarah, Abraham’s wife. And we loved to hear that part, so we’d quit our fight. You see, although Sarah was already menopaused, she still desired a child. God had even shared a laugh with her about it coming true, but just like a woman, she took the matter into her own hands, and refused to wait for the Lord to deliver. So old Sarah decided to give her maidservant to her old man, and that chick and Abraham made a kid. Everything was fine when Ishmael arrived, but only for a very short while.

            “Now, although Sarah was a dried-up old crone, she, too, birthed a son, and named him after the laughter she had shared with God, but called the kid Isaac. Sarah had gotten very territorial and demanded Abraham cast out his beloved first son with his mama Haggar, into the barren wilderness, and Abraham did it! But, as God always hears the cries of mothers and sons, he promised to make a great nation from Ishmael’s descendants, too. And thus, the Arab nation was born.

            “By the sixth century before Christ, the conflicts in the land were already old news, and Jeremiah warned the people that all God could see was violence and destruction in the city. Sickness and wounds were all around. And then my old man would get tears in his eyes and softly recite, ‘for every misunderstanding, every condemning thought, every negative vibration, every tear torn from a heart, every time one grabbed and wouldn’t let go, and they only did it because they did not know. The Divine is within all creation and within all women and men. And every tiny kindness you have ever done, every gentle word spoken, every time you held your tongue, every positive thought, every smile freely given, every helping hand that opens, helps bring in the kingdom. And the kingdom comes from above, and it comes from within. Imagine a kingdom of sisterhood of all creatures and all men.’”

        • Look it’s the equivalent of calling a facial tissue a kleenex. Since jews are an invented religion stolen from Hebrews they have to pad out the rest of the cult with names and such. Since Hebrew is not a common religion that’s just what their dark satanic high priests are called. I mean who else would suck the blood from a baby’s penis but one of their satanic high priests. It’s like Mormons. They’re invented too. That’s not a real religion. jews and mormons might as well be worshipping pumpkins because they’re both just cults that want to dominate mankind.

    • I have seen this myself on scanned pages of the Talmud. It does give permission to have sex with 3 year old girls, only the Rabbis though, and 7 year old boys and younger because the 3 year old is not a ‘woman’ and the 7 year old is not a ‘man’. This all ties in directly with the on-going child abductions, sex slavery and child pornography that is so prevalent in our government. There is much to investigate here, but a good place to start, for those who are interested, is to research what is known as the “Franklin Case’ about the government cover-up of a child abduction. The trail of evidence often includes the discovery of the body of a young child that has been abducted. The corpse is found to have been drained of blood, but otherwise is untouched.. The traditional explanation of this is that the blood of Christian children is mixed in with the passover bread (or whatever they call it) to be eaten by the ‘Jews’. This is all a holdover of the sacrifice of young children to the god called Molech which is referred to often in the bible.

  5. The water may be cold, so give them a full length sheepskin coat to keep them warm and confy on the way.

  6. The europeans don´t want them, however make them swim the way back and those who make it can stay.

  7. Israel HAS TO BE WIPED OFF THE MAP and the Eastern European Bolshevik jews deported back to Europe where they belong.

    • LOOK at the map above and it is very clear just WHO has been ‘wiped off’ of it!

      PS: In 2006, Virginia Tilley, Professor of political science wrote:

      “In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word ‘map’ or the term ‘wiped off.’ According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was ‘this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.’

      “In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s-a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then.

      “Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah’s regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison.

      “So, too, the ‘occupying regime’ in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence: ‘This too shall pass.'”

      I add Godspeed on it!

  8. Religions have been created to supress, scare and control the poor masses, if I see a priest, a rabbi, a minister or anyone of their trade, I just go the opposite direction.
    The Bible, Torah and the Koran are nothing, but fairy tale books, scaring the hell out of you if you don´t toe the given line. Millions of those robed individuals lived, and still live, a very good life on your “donations to God”. Just look at Osterman and other very rich preachers taking the last cent of stupid poor people.
    Live your life according to ethics, about the 10 commandments are nothing holy, but rules based on ethics. Do to others what you want others to do to you. Simple, no magical bush that is burning and talking to you. There are preachers who do good, however they could do even better if they leave the hocus-pocus out the events.

  9. We need more enlightened folk like you Eileen. Keep up the sterling work. Freedom is a right, not a self chosen Jewish land grabbing (using terrorism & ethnic cleansing) privilege.

    • Thank you Derek and I add we really have no freedoms unless we seize them and we also have RIGHTS and obligations that are “self-evident: That all [people] are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights…that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among [people] deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; and, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the RIGHT of the people to ALTER or to ABOLISH it.” -July 4, 1776, The Declaration of Independence.

  10. Very good.
    I grew up in Brooklyn, NY- Bed Stuy, then East NY-City LIne…cannon fodder neighborhoods for Vietnam. I grew up in Catholic school system. It was very good. Never did they teach that Israel was chosen race…nothing about this stuff. The New Testament was stressed and the Church was very antiCommunist. Maybe that is part of why I joined Corps in 1968.
    I like this article and what Anglican priest has to say. I can only say good things about the nuns and priests who taught us. They never preached hate and they used to tell it like it was. I wish we had more religious telling world how it really is.

    • Thank you and BTW, I was born in The Village and grew up in Levittown, Long Island, went to mass every Sunday and catechism every Wednesday, but I didn’t ‘meet’ Jesus until I was a visiting nurse in the ghettos of Orlando, Florida.

      I was introduced to him by my patients who always were saying, “Thank You Jesus” just because i was doing my job and my patients taught me that GRATITUDE is the highest expression of LOVE.

      PS: It was at the age of 12, in the summer of 1966, inspired by John Lennon’s honesty, that I tuned out the institutional church for the first time.

      Lennon had made a comment to a friend and reporter that the Beatles were more popular with my generation than Jesus was.

      I agreed with him, for my friends and I knew every lyric to every Beatles song, but nobody ever quoted Jesus.

      I never doubted there was a God, but as John said and I believe, “that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It’s just that the translations have gone wrong…Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it for me.

      “You’re just left with yourself all the time, whatever you do anyway. You’ve got to get down to your own God in your own temple. It’s all down to you, mate…All we are saying is give peace a chance…All you need is love…Imagine all the people living life in peace. You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one. I hope someday you’ll join us, and the world will be as one…Reality leaves a lot to the imagination.”

    • Thank you for defending the Catholic Church. I also was taught by the nuns and they were very intelligent and open minded and independent in their thinking, all the while maintaining a strict reverence for a higher power of goodness. They taught us a code of conduct and they themselves lived by that code. It’s a shame that an institution that has been responsible for the care of so many orphaned children, charitable institutions of all kinds, and the education of so many leaders, has been the subject of such slander recently. It’s true that the catholic church has been infiltrated at times by those who lack spiritual understanding, and it’s unfortunate that it has become a haven for homosexuals since it prevents me from allowing my young male children to get involved. But if I were Jewish I would have the same problem with the Rabbi’s whose molestation of children is said to be even more prevalent than within the Catholic Church…more prevalent and more effectively hidden by the usual threats. The problem is the ridiculous notion that women cannot be spiritual leaders within a religious organization. Until this ungodedly notion is eliminated, and it does have it’s origins in the inflitration of the early catholic church by the jews, we will never have a true religion or a true code of conduct that is in fact godly.

  11. Greetings earthlings,

    “The only Bible prophecy that ever came true was when Jesus said, I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.” – Colonel Robert Ingersoll

    “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind” – Tom Paine

    Amen,
    Infidel

    • The tongue is the sharpest SWORD and the rest of that verse is:

      “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

      The sword JC refered to is a metaphor for ideological conflict and not advocating violence, BUT encouraging people to THINK for themselves and NOT just accept the family traditions!

    • going back many hundreds of years their was a successful ruse to combine the “jehova” god
      (“Old Testament”) with the
      Christian testament, why the two should be bound together and called the Christian Bible makes no sense

      • You’ll Be Compliant Under Jolly Green Giant:

        “Down Through Centuries the Elite have Toyed
        With Ways to See All Culture Destroyed,
        Religion, Family, Native Hyper-Acuity,
        Could Be Eliminated with Science and Promiscuity
        Taught in Schools and TV Promotions,
        Would Detract from All Daily Devotions,
        Broken, Public Reduced to PC-Parroting Fools,
        Corporations Would Take Over Power to Rule
        And Claim Ownership of All Means of Survival,
        Hail “Green” Corporate Overlords, NWO’s Arrival”
        © Alan Watt July 11, 2011

        • For the better part of the first hour of broadcast Robby plays a clip that discusses the onset of political zionism and its threat to the American public.

          The video is available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Ffz0koJbI&feature=player_embedded#at=11

          THE FLIPSIDE

          Guest: Charles Carlson of Straight Gate Ministries
          On with Robby today is his friend and weekly friday cohost, Charles Carlson. The gentlemen start off discussing the international ramifications of the bombing in Norway this morning, including the possibility of the Mossads involvement

  12. This is the best thing I’ve ever read on this site and I like a lot of stuff here.

    • Dearest Terry,

      Please know how rare a jewel it is that you just gifted me with via 19 little words; as being bashed is usually what i receive, so THANK YOU for reading, thinking and writing such sweet words.

  13. Thank You VT Editors for all your support and patience but I must confess I regret NOT giving CREDIT to Angie Smith- Dave’s lovely wife who shot the pix of me and her honey with the gloves on!

    • Quoting John Lennon the minstrel is of no value. He was a smug, self-serving, hippie with no redeeming qualities. Laying around his Manhattan mansion fornicating with his ugly mistress, he became a little dictator himself.

      • As John Lennon said, we are all Christ and Hitler and I add FREE WILL means we get to choose which rules!

        Jesus warned “For with the measure you measure against another, it will be measured back to you” as he explained the law of karma in Luke 6:27-38.

        • People often pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to accept, and they reject or ignore other parts of Scripture that do not align with their viewpoints. The doctrine of “love your enemies” has been taken out of context by the majority (Luke 19:27). Also, compare Luke 12:49 with Obadiah 1:18.

        • Lennon and U2 are sodomites not saviours. Forget about Celebrity worship. It’s a failed religion.

          • How do you know they are sodomites?

            And BTW-i couldn’t care less how anyone gets off and i also IMAGINE a world without RELIGION, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, WAR and BORDERS

            Imagine there’s no Heaven
            It’s easy if you try
            No hell below us
            Above us only sky
            Imagine all the people
            Living for today

            Imagine there’s no countries
            It isn’t hard to do
            Nothing to kill or die for
            And no religion too
            Imagine all the people
            Living life in peace

            You may say that I’m a dreamer
            But I’m not the only one
            I hope someday you’ll join us
            And the world will be as one

            Imagine no possessions
            I wonder if you can
            No need for greed or hunger
            A brotherhood of man
            Imagine all the people
            Sharing all the world

            You may say that I’m a dreamer
            But I’m not the only one
            I hope someday you’ll join us
            And the world will live as one-‘saint’ John Lennon

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