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Libyan WMD – Veterans Today and Wikileaks Were Right
Spinmeisters are shaking Al Qaeda bogeyman on Libyan WMD – Why Now?
by Jim W. Dean and Gordon Duff, VT editors
NATO has Not Invaded Tripoli - Free Libyans Have
The media sharks are circling the Tripoli waters with their next threat hustle, just when we were about finished with having to hear Muamar ranting about the Crusaders and Al Qaeda.
Next comes Russia Today humiliating themselves with stories of Al Qaeda rebel commanders calling in NATO air strikes and leading rebel death squads into Tripoli to murder hundreds of thousands.
Internet media is going down the toilet faster that Mainstream took. Now comes the American version…hypemeisters not wanting to miss out reporting on the looming Al Qaeda threat to obtain WMD from New Libya.
Sniff, sniff. Is that the whiff of defense contractor interest I have in my nose?
The progressive loons still can’t get off their fantasy stories of hundreds of commando boats landed by NATO in Tripoli and running the whole ‘invasion’ show. Just watching the TV footage, it’s hard to envision that anyone is running it.
There is no visible recon going on. It’s ‘draw straws’ to see who is in the lead vehicle and off the rebels go until someone starts shooting at them. This they tell us, is a CIA army. Sure. In your dreams. This is, to their eternal credit, a citizens army. We should all be so lucky.
Are the Girl Bodyguards Still Protecting Him?
Gordon Duff broke the Gaddafi WMD story back in April when main stream media would not touch it.
No one picked it up either. We were alone, as we were on the Wikileaks Intel seeding scam.
The full article is below with videos and links. In the post ops analysis of the Libyan war coverage a lot of so-called progressive alternative media are going to have egg on their faces.
We were right and they were wrong. And the Libyan people will be the final judge us both.
I am already getting emails from Alt media loons who seem angry that the Libyan people are going to be free. They are ‘stuck on stupid’ over losing their NATO atrocities straw dog to beat on.
But, a funny thing…in all the Tripoli street interviews, no Gaddafi henchmen of course, they have not had a word to say about so called ‘NATO war crimes’. They have nothing but praise for their martyrs and NATO, and blame Gaddafi for it all…all 42 years.
We have been with the Libyan people since day one, and never wavered despite being pummeled by more than a few of our own readers. Even Tripoli kids are saying that maybe now they will have a decent educational system, and not have to go abroad for schooling. One ten year old said, ‘and we can learn languages’
Free Libyans Will Have the Last Word
Free Libyans Will Have the Last Word I feel we will be hearing more from these free Libyans, how they feel about those that supported Gaddafi keeping them as slaves.
Watch/listen to the young Noura’s passionate expressions of joy at finally being free in Gordon’s article. The phony Liberals would have denied it to her, as would the NeoCon/Fox News Murdock pimps. Below is the CNN WMD story on the new Al Qaeda threat.
Note that they still won’t mention the VX nerve gas from South Africa. Why not? Israel’s involvement in making it with them, that’s why.
This might be a probe for getting NATO in on the ground to ‘safe guard’ the goods. But while they are waiting they might consider heading over to Israel to ‘safe guard’ their WMD huge stockpiles…you know…just to be safe.
We now find ourselves in a two front war. We have mainstream media running an industrial disinformation war on the rest of us. The Murdoch scandal has peeled one layer of the onion, but still being hidden is the extensive espionage operations being run under newsroom covers.
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GADDAFI – BRIBERY, BLACKMAIL AND BLUSTER
SLIPPERIER THAN A POLECAT
ON EVERY SIDE AND YET NO SIDE, EVERYONE’S FRIEND AND ENEMY
“WMD” STOCKS NEVER DESTROYED, LIBYA AN “ARSENAL OF LIQUID DEATH”
By Gordon Duff Senior Editor
When Egypt’s Mubarak felt his grip on Egypt loosening, he called his friends in Tel Aviv. Three planeloads of riot gear and ‘other materials’ arrived almost immediately. When Gaddafi felt his grip on Libya loosening, he called his friends in Tel Aviv. Unlike Mubarak, publicly friendly with Israel, Gaddafi has publicly bashed Israel for decades.
In fact, Gaddafi is the only world leader than publicly threatens Israel but maintained, until recently, a very warm relationship with the United States. Saddam was removed because of far more moderate statements than Gaddafi makes daily. Iran faces “nuclear castration” for threatening to see “Zionism erased from the sands of time.”
So, when it was reported that African mercenaries, hired by Israel’s CST Global began unloading in Libya, a relationship long hidden reared its ugly head. More reinforcements came in from Belarus, joining the hundreds of “foreign technical advisors” that run anything in Libya with “knobs and blinking lights” and even more from Georgia. The initial UN attacks on Libya’s air defenses decimated Gaddafi’s air defense system, including killing its staff, all from Belarus.
CRYING “WOLF”
Gaddafi’s credibility with the world nosedived the moment he began crying out about “Al Qaeda” forces “embedded” with the rebels, a disorganized “ragtag” of students, military deserters and members of tribes hostile to Gaddafi’s rule. Suspiciously, Gaddafi’s unfounded Al Qaeda claims picked up backing in the US, among “right wing” pundits, Fox News in particular and, most telling of all, Wikileaks.
It gets better.
As early as August 2009, Wikileaks had been tied to Israel. By December, Zbigniew Brzezinski had labeled it as part of an intelligence operation. In response, Julian Assange promised damaging information on Israel. Though cables are said to have been released, none have been published, but rather “withheld” by news sources said to be “sensitive” to Israeli interests.
WIKILEAKS ROLE
On March 18, Wikileaks released reports that rebels in Libya were backed by Al Qaeda, according to this in the UK Telegraph:
WikiLeaks cables, independent analysts and reporters have all identified supporters of Islamist causes among the opposition to Col Gaddafi’s regime, particularly in the towns of Benghazi and Dernah.
The WikiLeaks cables, initially revealed by The Daily Telegraph and dating from 2008, identified Dernah in particular as a breeding ground for fighters in a number of causes, including Afghanistan and Iraq.
“The unemployed, disfranchised young men of eastern Libya have nothing to lose and are therefore willing to sacrifice themselves for something greater than themselves by engaging in extremism in the name of religion,” the cables quoted a Dernah businessman as saying.
Col Gaddafi has pinpointed the rebels in Dernah as being led by an al-Qaeda cell that has declared the town an Islamic emirate.
Thus, in March, when Gaddafi is claiming Al Qaeda is responsible for the rebellion, Fox News, owned by Israeli ultra-nationalist Rupert Murdoch, backs him up. Tel Aviv sends in mercenaries. Then Wikileaks, long “outed” as very favorable to Israel and highly critical of all Islamic states does a 180 degree turn.
Wikileaks now states that it was the CIA all along that had trained and backed the rebels. This is done through the release of cables, carried in a story in the Washington Post, that “proved” the CIA was behind all the “Arab Spring” revolutions.
The cables, provided by the anti-secrecy Web site WikiLeaks, show that U.S. Embassy officials in Damascus became worried in 2009 when they learned that Syrian intelligence agents were raising questions about U.S. programs.
Syrian authorities “would undoubtedly view any U.S. funds going to illegal political groups as tantamount to supporting regime change,” read an April 2009 cable signed by the top-ranking U.S. diplomat in Damascus at the time. “A reassessment of current U.S.-sponsored programming that supports anti-[government] factions, both inside and outside Syria, may prove productive,” the cable said.
It is unclear whether the State Department is still funding Syrian opposition groups, but the cables indicate money was set aside at least through September 2010. While some of that money has also supported programs and dissidents inside Syria, The Washington Post is withholding certain names and program details at the request of the State Department, which said disclosure could endanger the recipients’ personal safety.
In February 2006, when relations with Damascus were at a nadir, the Bush administration announced that it would award $5 million in grants to “accelerate the work of reformers in Syria.”
But, wait a minute, this is where it gets really good;
But no dissidents inside Syria were willing to take the money, for fear it would lead to their arrest or execution for treason, according to a 2006 cable from the U.S. Embassy, which reported that “no bona fide opposition member will be courageous enough to accept funding.”
Around the same time, Syrian exiles in Europe founded the Movement for Justice and Development. The group, which is banned in Syria, openly advocates for Assad’s removal. U.S. cables describe its leaders as “liberal, moderate Islamists” who are former members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Though the story itself is about Syria and there is no mention of the CIA, the references in these Wikileak cables are considered “documented proof” of years of CIA preparations, arming and training rebels, to overthrow Gaddafi.
No explanation is made for how the CIA pulled this off, arming and training tens of thousands of rebels over a period of years in the middle of a police state.
LIBYA’S “PING PONG” POLITICS
Colonel Gaddafi is known for many things, flamboyance, brutality, even charm…but he is also both pragmatic and a survivor. His sights have been on one goal only, that of achieving power for himself and Libya, a starring role on the world stage.
Libya’s population of 6 million has shown an increase of 300% in two decades but is still insignificant when compared to Egypt’s of well over 80 million. To compensate for this, Libya, with the 6th largest oil reserves in the world, has “shopped” the region for partners to provide manpower for Colonel Gaddafi’s dreams of empire. Through the 70′s and 80′s, Libya suggested joining with Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Yemen and even Iran.
Libya turned to the US in the early 70s, CIA Director Richard Helms established an operations center for Southern Europe and North Africa and, under the cover of “rogue operations,” infiltrated terrorist groups across Europe from Red Brigades to the IRA.
Israel played a prominent role in this relationship at a time when Libya was publicly supporting a broad front be established against Israel. This covert ‘back-channel’ relationship with Gaddafi, playing on his love of conspiracy and his desire for leverage against other Arab leaders, rarely surfaces. The current revolt in Libya is one of those times.
By 1978, however, Gaddafi felt spurned by Sadat of Egypt who sought a conciliatory relationship with Israel and the United States. The “spat” began when Sadat called for a cease fire after the Israel’s successful counter-offensive in the Sinai, during the 1973 War:
He (Gaddafi) accused the Egyptian leader of cowardice and of purposely sabotaging the federation. In response, Sadat revealed that he had intervened in 1973 to prevent a planned Libyan submarine attack on the S.S. Queen Elizabeth II while the British liner was carrying a Jewish tourist group in the Mediterranean.
Gaddafi turned to the Soviet Bloc and sought to position himself as the conduit for Russian ambitions in Africa. During this period, the race for weapons of mass destruction (WMD’s), nuclear, biological and chemical warfare developments promoted unusual relationships.
The most advanced programs were in Israel and the Soviet Union along with Czechoslovakia and East Germany. The three, working in concert, established an advanced program in South Africa. Simultaneously, Israel joined with South Africa to develop nuclear weapons at Armscorp’s Pelandaba Nuclear Research Facility.
During the 1970s, Israel and South Africa joined in a program to develop, not only nuclear weapons but biological and chemical weapons as well. Working closely with them were the following countries: Iran, Libya, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union and North Korea.
We know for certain that ten nuclear weapons were built in South Africa, six of which were dismantled, one tested on September 22, 1979.
Though South Africa says it dumped the chemical weapons it developed with Israel into the ocean, weapons that had been used in Angola against civilians, sources indicate that 3 barrels of VX gas were transferred to Libya. As late as 2004, Israeli Johan Meyer was arrested in South Africa for selling weapons grade nuclear centrifuges to Libya. Meyer eluded custody and currently resides in Israel.
By 2004, Libya was said to have ended all nuclear, biological and chemical programs, though they were spared the rigorous inspections to which Iraq had been subjected. However, last month, the British reported that Libya’s program had not been “mothballed” as indicated:
Despite a promise in 2003 to give up weapons of mass destruction, Gaddafi is thought to have retained as much as 14 tons of the chemicals required to create mustard gas.
The stocks are said to be stored in secret secure facilities in the Libyan desert. The chemicals would need to be mixed and loaded into shells before they could be used as weapons, but are “still a concern,” said a senior British government source. “We want to make sure they’re destroyed.”
Sources in the UK tell us that though the article says “mustard gas,” we should be reading VX, a far more potent and threatening chemical.
MISPLACED WIKILEAKS CABLE SAYS LIBYA ARMED “TO THE TEETH” WITH WMD’S
In fact, Libya had agreed, in 2003, to destroy all chemical weapons. However, in this Wikileaks cable, one not made public in the United States, we learn that as late as 2011, Libya maintains its stocks of chemical weapons. Gaddafi had been allowed extensions year after year claiming he had no money. (A Wikileaks “double secret,” kept secret from US by our government and again by Wikileaks)
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S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 TRIPOLI 000795 NOFORN SIPDIS DEPT FOR NEA/MAG AND ISN/CBC (FERGUSON); NSC FOR MCDERMOTT E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/5/2019 TAGS: PARM, PREL, PGOV, CWC, OPCW, LY SUBJECT: LIBYA’S CHEMICAL WEAPONS DESTRUCTION CHIEF DEFENDS EXTENSION REQUEST REF: A) STATE 100809; B) TRIPOLI 490 CLASSIFIED BY: Joan Polaschik, CDA, U.S. Embassy Tripoli, U.S. Department of State. REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
1.(S/NF) Summary: Dr. Ahmed Hesnawy, head of Libya’s chemical weapons destruction program, defended Libya’s Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) extension request….
HESNAWY JUSTIFIES EXTENSION REQUEST
2.(S) During a September 30 meeting, Pol/Econ Chief jointly delivered ref a demarche with French DCM to the head of the chemical weapons destruction program at Libya’s National Chemical Weapons (CW) Authority, Dr. Ahmed Hesnawy. During the meeting, Hesnawy also provided a detailed briefing on his progress toward meeting Libya’s Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) commitments.
3. (S) Hesnawy gave a long explanation of the reasons for the extension request, including resistance from the local community when construction work began at the building site…..
3.(S/NF) Hesnawy then explained that the next problem he confronted was with the “civil defense people,” who…..
UK EMBASSY WARNS OF HESNAWY’S CONFIDENCE9.(S) In a separate meeting, xxxxxxxxxxxx told P/E Chief that while the MFA IO officer Tajouri Shiradi had made the same request for support for Libya’s CWC requests, he did not provide as much detail on the progress of the Libyan program. xxxxxxxxxxxx expressed surprise that Hesnawy had met with us, relating that he was an elusive character….
10.(S/NF) Bio info: Hesnawy is a charismatic and gregarious character, who spoke fluent American English. He used American expressions and slang with ease and was clearly trying to endear himself to P/E Chief. He said that he has been head of Libya’s Chemical Weapons Program for the last 12 years and was intimately aware of every technical detail relating to that program. According to xxxxxxxxxxxx, Hesnawy may be working with National Security Advisor, Muatassim al-Qadhafi, on missile purchase requests.
Again we note, when mustard gas is mentioned, VX and other weapons are not as the classification of any document mentioning weapons of the magnitude, VX or, for-instance nuclear weapons would make it unsuitable for “leaking.”
Thus, such weapons may well exist and we are told they do only they are not a subject for albeit revealing but “soft” chatter.
HOW DOES GADDAFI GET AWAY WITH THIS?
Though a common theme among many in the world of “alternative journalism” has Libya’s Gaddafi as the victim of CIA and oil company conspiracies tied to the Bush/Blair/Cheney war on terror, such beliefs vary from reality by miles and miles.
In the video below, former Prime Minister Tony Blair discusses the role he says he never had in negotiations with Libya:
One day, Libya was a rogue nation with a nuclear program, poisoned gas and bio-weapons development and defying American/Israeli power. At the height of his belligerence, the entire population of Libya was less than the Denver metropolitan area, with 90% living within a few miles of the Mediterranean, ringed with American bases and home to a massive US fleet.
For some unknown reason, Colonel Gaddafi could be accused of mass murder in Africa, blowing up American troops in Germany and even downing an airliner over Scotland and retain his rule for 42 years.
General Noriega and Saddam Hussein, whose offenses, against America at least, were minor in comparison, suffered a different fate. There is no way of getting around it, Gaddafi isn’t now nor has he ever been anything but a very slippery character.
SECRET TOUR OF ILLEGAL WEAPONS SITES BY US AND UK
Nine years after Gaddafi promised Bush and Blair his weapons programs would be dismantled, four years after his “final deadline,” American planes are bombing Libya and his weapons are exactly where they were.
We have learned that officials of both the Bush and Blair administrations were aware that Gaddafi was actively violating weapons accords during the period they were informing the world that Libya had totally disarmed.
In fact, the Daily Telegraph reported a few days ago:
Scientists from Britain and America visited the chemical weapons facility as it was being built in August 2006.
The cable, a copy of which was leaked to the WikiLeaks website and seen by The Daily Telegraph, detailed a visit by the scientists to a military facility in Tajura, on the outskirts of Tripoli.The communique reports: “US and UK experts were both told that a lab under construction at the facility would be for chemical weapons defensive purposes.”
Andy Oppenheimer, editor of Chemical and Biological Warfare Review, said the facility described in the cable was “quite clearly” being used to develop chemical and biological weapons agents.
“The Libyans may well claim that this facility is for defence, but that’s a very thin argument because in order to defend against chemical weapons you have to build them and test them first,” he said.
He continued: “Libya clearly did develop chemical weapons. There was a load of mustard gas and blistering agent that that was being destroyed under the terms of the Chemical Weapons Convention, but there are now fears that the Libyans are lying and that they have stocks which haven’t been declared.
Libya is estimated to have 13.6 metric tonnes of sulphur mustard and 556 metric tonnes of CW precursor chemicals by the OPCW.
Why would Libya not only be allowed to keep its WMD’s, all the while the American people were assured they had been destroyed, but build new facilities as well?
Why would Israel agree to keep silent about this if they perceive Libya as a potential enemy?
Were the millions in oil and weapons deals with Shell, BP, Haliburton and BAE Systems blinding some?
Did Libya’s American lobbyist, a former mayor of New York City, help Gaddafi scam the United States out of $35 billion in bail out money?
How much imagination does it require to believe that Gaddafi, perhaps the consummate Washington insider of all, perhaps the last real survivor of the Bush era “neocons” has been plotted against by the CIA, oil companies and banks?
Perhaps Gaddafi is just too slippery for all of us.
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Hi folks, Sorry the comments ‘on/off’ switch got flicked off somehow. I promise I did not do it. Those Mossad guys are just terrible!!! Jim
Brian: to me, at times, NATO functions as a terrorist organization, controlled by Israel, it doesn’t care about human suffering. I don’t know if it’s true but I’ve read NATO bombed specific parts of Libya, they were running out of bombs, blew up tanks and other military equipment, shut down the Libyan air force and forced the Libyan army out of specific areas with death and destruction and afterward made a phone call to the rebels; they casually show up at the scene of death and destruction and claim they actually won the battle and take advantage of the wonderful photo opportunity. If true, great propaganda.
There’s no way in heck this assault by NATO was for humanitarian reasons, just look at its lack of action with Bahrain and Palestine. This was about oil, the government run central bank, Israel’s desire to balkanize the Middle East and North Africa , attempt to get Libya into AFRICOM for oil reasons and thwart Gaddafi and his Gold Dinar.
From a March 2011 Global Research article:
In 2009, Gaddafi started suggesting that he might nationalize the remaining foreign oil assets in Libya (AFRICOM had already been set up by that time), and he has renewed that threat since the NATO intervention began last week. But right now sanctions imposed by the U.S. and the European Union have reduced Libya’s oil exports to a trickle, resulting in a worldwide jump in fuel prices. A drastic intervention leading to the removal of Gaddafi and greater freedom of operation for these oil companies might well be part of the motive for the intervention, especially on the part of major European Union countries dependent on Libya for their energy needs.
Countering Chinese influence in Africa
Another reason given by some analysts for the creation of AFRICOM is as a counter to Chinese commercial advances in Africa. AFRICOM is mainly a military entity, but includes civil operations that are supposed to win the hearts and minds of Africans through development projects.
Brian: If NATO is a humanitarian organization, let them prove it by establishing a no fly zone over Gaza.
I posted these comments in a recent Littlewood article here at VT, primarily because this comment section was closed down by the brazen VT editorial staff.
I made a comment in the Littlewood article about the comment section being shut down that is no longer relevant but I did mention in the Littlewood post: I suppose it’s slightly possible they shut down the comments section due to a technical problem.
According to the buzz in the Intel world shutting down the sagacious commentators at VT is the #1 objective of Tamir Pardo.
#2 is the production of over four million WE DIDN’T DO IT! 911 shirts to be worn at the 911 parade in New York City by pudgy sayanim.
Brian,
It’s the roll out of large program agreed too in 2006, and nothing other. As stated before, I will write the details, then it will be obvious. I need to finish one last project first. The advances you are discussing were agreed, don’t listen to the false propaganda. I will explain at later date, sorry.
A clue, there was one key indicator to this program when the president made his first trip to China, the Chinese government made a mistake.
Well NATO prevailed and gave credit to their rebel stooges in order to hide from the world this was a NATO instigated war done to control Libya and seize a large part of its assets. NATO wouldn’t dare do anything in the Middle East or North Africa without the approval or an order from Israel.
Excepts from an article:
US Outsourced Regime Change
NATO, Sleeper Cells Drove Rebels’ Tripoli Push
By Hadeel Al-Shalchi and Rami Al-Shaheibi
Haroun said NATO was in contact with the rebel leadership in Benghazi and were aware of the date of Operation Mermaid Dawn.
“Honestly, NATO played a very big role in liberating Tripoli — they bombed all the main locations that we couldn’t handle with our light weapons,” said Harouin.
Analysts have noted that as time went on, NATO airstrikes became more and more precise and there was less and less collateral damage, indicating the presence of air controllers on the battlefields.
Targeted bombings launched methodical strikes on Gadhafi’s crucial communications facilities and weapons caches. An increasing number of American hunter-killer drones provided round-the-clock surveillance as the rebels advanced.
Diplomats acknowledge that covert teams from France, Britain and some East European states provided critical assistance.
The assistance included logisticians, security advisers and forward air controllers for the rebel army, as well as intelligence operatives, damage assessment analysts and other experts, according to a diplomat based at NATO’s headquarters in Brussels. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.
Foreign military advisers on the ground provided key real-time intelligence to the rebels, enabling them to maximize their limited firepower against the enemy. One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said the Qatari military led the way, augmented later by French, Italian and British military advisers. This effort had a multiple purpose, not only assisting the rebels but monitoring their ranks and watching for any al-Qaida elements trying to infiltrate or influence the rebellion.
Bolstering the intelligence on the ground was an escalating surveillance and targeting campaign in the skies above. Armed U.S. Predator drones helped to clear a path for the rebels to advance.
Baja said as the time for Operation Mermaid Dawn came close to execution, NATO began to intensify their bombing campaign at Bab al-Azizya and near jails where weapons were stored and political prisoners were held.
Brian: Perhaps we will be told these two guys were paid to write articles on behalf of Gaddafi.
there were NATO sleeper cells in Libya, dating from 73-4, the end of the Phoenix era for the CIA and the earily stages of Gladio.
Gaddafi helped organize them.
@ Brian
Here is the last (meaning: most recent) letter of Muammar Qaddafi to us.
“You cannot ask others to represent you. You cannot entrust thieves with your wealth. You cannot ask others to fight and die on your behalf, to defend you. This your human responsibility, when you do this, the world will be free, organized, jamahiri system, freedom and happiness, abundance of wealth for all.”
It began. Do not despair, help is nigh. Do you realize that this is the Night of Power? What is the Night of Power? It is better than thousands of other nights, it is the destiny, when the heavens are open to receive your prayers thousand-fold.
Watch what is happening now in America. Did we hit them with our missiles? No, they came and struck us, 64 hits on Bab Al-Aziziya, which is now destroyed, and finally I had to leave my home, where they killed many innocents. But I will never leave Libya and in this fight, it is either victory or death.
Those of you in United States of America. I am not your leader. If you are in that failed state you should be preparing to leave. Go to Venezuela. If you remain, follow my deputy, spiritual leader Minister Louis Farrakhan. Listen to him. He will tell you all you need to know about what is unfolding.
Those of you in Europe, you too should prepare to be drowned in events and calumny. Not enough of you have risen up. You will have to accept the consequences, the good among you should head to Africa. Go to West Africa. North Africa is not safe now that the region is all a battlefield. In West Africa you will find homes and good work.
Those of you in Serbia, true friends of Libya, and you are with me. Do not despair of the rat flag on only one house out of one million. All of you can cut pieces of green cloth, measured exactly two by one in dimension, that is your flag, the flag of people’s power, of hope, of truth, of the future.
All you in the world who support truth, freedom, Jamahiriya, hang it on millions homes, cars. The green flag is yours and belongs to all the masses of the world. With the dawn of people’s authority and the end of governments, we chose the green flag and made its colour and dimension easy for all. Choose any green. Cut it one by two, exactly, and hang it everywhere, carry it with you.
Soon the green flag will fly all over the world, as governments collapse, they failed their people, I alone did more than all of them. They served different masters. They did not intend to serve the people, never. They are owned by others. They do nothing for you. Ignore them and they are gone. Prepare yourselves by forming committees, openly or in secret, set up your local mathabas to meet and share. Chart the way forward. The green flag belongs to you all.
The future is jamahiriya, everywhere. Masses self-governing societies. Basic popular congresses and people’s committees. Green committees to guide, defend, expose, call, show the way forward to people’s power. It’s all there in The Green Book, read it, copy it, share it. Use your own communication systems, don’t rely on the enemy. Make your own communications. Take back your resources to your hands, do not be afraid of power, possess it. It is your power, wealth and arms that the governments, banks and militaries stole from you.
You cannot ask others to represent you. You cannot entrust thieves with your wealth. You cannot ask others to fight and die on your behalf, to defend you. This your human responsibility, when you do this, the world will be free, organized, jamahiri system, freedom and happiness, abundance of wealth for all.
The era of the governments is coming to an end and they are fighting their last gasp. They are desperate. But they are bankrupt, not only financially speaking, they are bankrupt in morals, religion, education, intellect, ideas, they have no way forward. They are on the stage of collapse. That collapse is good for the world peoples who are suffering because they are not free.
O all good people of the world, know that Islam is not what is being put to you by the ignorant who make a public show of prayer but in reality are serving the devil. Islam is submission to the will of Allah, the One God of all humanity. This is the night of prayer. Your prayers are being answered. You are the Muslims, all those who pray and do not associate partners with Allah.
People of Bosnia, many of you are misguided, Arabs, the useless and weak. The people of Serbia who are Christians and others would be closer to God. There is only one God. That God is with the truth wherever it is found, read Qur’an to know the truth, do not listen to those who would mislead you. If God is with you, who can be against you?
What Sharia are you looking for other than the one which we have since I was the first to bring Quran as the Law of Society in the Jamahiriya. Is it the sharia of injustice? Oppression? Cowardice? Murder? Insanity? Drugs? Is it the sharia that elevates the rat with his gun that allows torture, rape, theft? No! That is not the sharia, ignoring all that is in the Quran.
Prayers are being answered. More than forty armies have gone against me, only because I spoke the truth, because I would not let the thieves pass me into Africa. I have promised Africa I will not betray you. I promise the world, the millions who have me in your hearts, that I am fighting to the finish.
Do not believe their trumpets. Whoever listens to the trumpets is making a mistake. You have your own mathabas to go to for information and to meet and deliberate. Pay no heed to them. By now this should be clear to you. Fire is water, water is fire. Know that the future is yours, governments are finished, a new era of the masses is coming, as predicted in The Green Book.
I hear you. Many of your messages reach to me. I cannot answer you individually but I feel your pain. Some of you were so affected by the lies in the recent days that you even contemplated suicide. No! No never, suicide is not an option, when we are in front of great victory. The costs will be high but we must not waver.
I see you Africans around the world, even in Australia, your pictures reach me. I see you collecting money for helping East Africa. It is the whites who brought these problems and cut us off from helping our brothers and sisters. Thank you for you prayers. But keep your money. Instead use it to fight those oppressors.
Form among you green committees, meet in secret or in open. Proclaim your allegiance to the green charter. Study The Green Book. Register your people’s conferences, provide encouragement to others around the world, prepare for future world congress on crimes against humanity, you have six months to prepare.
March next year can be the biggest congress of the people, you can make it happen. Prepare already. Make a web site you must to make it, so all the crimes can be registered. While we fight to defend our nation, you fight on the battle field of truth, for the pen is mightier than the sword.
Some of you arrived to our western border, but had to return. You have families to take care of. Now the way is clear, but NATO will not allow for peace. They fear the example of the Great Jamahiriya. They can destroy our physical achievements but they cannot destroy the truth. The more they try the more we will be victorious, victory is with the people, never with the oppressors.
Thousands of you are waiting at various stations, I see you in Tanzania, in Congo, Ghana, Nigeria, and many other parts of Africa. How will you cross the deserts to Libya. Instead group yourselves where you are. The fight if it is not won in Libya will be coming to you. Prepare for it. Prepare traps for the invaders. You must defend your corners.
African governments are not strong. They control only a few centers of cities. They often provide no services and the people live without them. They will not stand in your way when the time comes. They are poor. They have been robbed by the racists, the colonialists, white thieves from the north. Oppose them only if they oppose you. Be prepared. Build your mathaba. Defend your continent.
They can attack with their bombs, but we defend with truth. They can never fight us man to man. They are only cowards, sick, demented, hiding behind machines, they can never face the African one to one. African children can defeat any white mercenary, that is why they hide and destroy with hatred from far.
Do not let them use you. Be united. Build your defences for they are coming if they manage to pass Libya. If they destroy Libya then attack them from behind.
Avoid fighting if you can. The enemy wishes us all to be bogged down on their battle fields, that they want to engage us all in war. Afghanistan is now with us, Iraq is with us, Venezuela is with us. We want peace. We want justice. Work for conferences on crimes against humanity, use your mathaba networks, the mathaba are the headquarters of the green committees, go forth, victory is ours!
“Work for conferences on crimes against humanity.”
Work for the ascendance of the rule of law– the law of people and peoples– over the rule of force. Work to bring Bush, Cheney, Blair, and Netanyahu to justice. Work to hold accountable those truly responsible for the lies and crimes of 9/11, for the assault against all life at Hiroshima and Fukushima.
Work to break the power of those who use the instruments of mass communications to deny vital truths; to pump the toxin of disinformation and hate into the mental environment. Work to extend and elaborate the Tahrir Square Global Freedom Movement.
Bottom line, does this mean you support the NATO mission? And isn’t a little presumptuous to say that they are or will be free? I certainly hope for the best for the Libyan people, but with all the hands in the pot, who really knows what will happen now.
yes…very proper question
worst case…something far better than gaddafi…
which was slavery
Nonsense. Even the NYT acknonowledged today that with his increaed oil revenues, “Qaddafi set about building roads, hospitals, schools and housing.” Most important of all, however, “life expectancy, which was 51 in 1969, is now over 74,” an accomplisment that could be achieved only with enormous improvements in public health that was delivered widely to the entire population, unlike in America today. Some dictator Qaddafi turns out to be. And is there anyone who imagines the looters roaming Tripoli today will do better?
The Times also reveals Qaddafi’s real crime by noting that the “new Libyan government [after the 1969 coup by Qaddafi] forged a profound global change in the relationship between the major oil companies and the producing countries, forcing the oil companies to cede majority stakes in exchange for continued access to Libya’s oilfields. Libya also demanded a higher share of the profits. The pattern was emulated across the oil producing astates.”
Qaddafi dared stand up against Western imperialist powers and oil companies on behalf of his own people so its resources would be used for their rather than the benit of the imperialist gangsters. He thus stood in the way of the implementation of the New World Order.
Indeed, Rcihard Haas in a recent article reveals that the humanitarian justification for the NATO aggression was pure hoax, a sham, a cheap pretext to serve as a fig leaf for enabling the NATO terrorists to launch a war of aggression against Qaddafi. And even as we speak, the Western oil interests he kicked out are already sneaking into Tripoli on the pick up trucks of the gangsters to reclaim their oil fields and oil profists. That wil defninitely initiate a new dictatorship that will also deprive the Libyan people of the benefits from their resources. That’s the true state of affairs in Libya, not the pap nonsense you have been spreading about Qaddafi’s dictatorship.
And to top it off, after having spent endless articles denouncing Wikileakas as Mossad front, you now join up with them and praise how their prescience about Libya matches yours?
When you lay down with that dog, you can only pick up a lot of flees.
But hey, it’s not over until its over. The looting by your esteemed democratic forces will quickly drive Libyans into opposition to the NATO terrorists, exactly as happened in Iraq.
You have been entirely wrong about Libya all along, and I dare say, will be wrong about it in the future.
Prien
Well, if the New York Times said it, however, with 42 years of oil money, 100 billion a year, with internatinal interest rates averaging 6.5% during his rule, compounded over 42 years, Libya has moderate infrastructure and $35b in assets.
With less time and one third the revenue, the UAE has $1.8 trillion USD in assets and Dubai, a town a bit better furnished than Tripoli.
The UAE also has no debts and a substantial military.
And have they increased longevity of its people as in Libya? Guess not.
Your gee whiz numbers respond to none of the issues about5 Qaddafi challenging the oil companies that enabled other producing countries to increase tgheir own rfevenues, and how this scum is crawling back to freclaim their fields from the Libyan people. Nor do they address the hoax Haas admitted the humanitarian mission was that served solely as a cover story for aggression – sort of like the Nazi false flag attack on a radio station to justify the attack on Poland.
And has the UAE built anything like the man made river project to improve the li ves of their people?
I notice you are real quiet about the key issues. But you’re doing great shilling for the NWO and Israel, who are the only ones to benefit from this.
Prien
What you say may be true, but just like here, you are only comparing him to everybody else in the third world when he and we (the US) have a lot more resources than most countries have. There really should be more to show for it.
Amen Bluesky, It’s called framing or getting a reasonable perspective on the situation. The big increases in life expectency in third world countries come from significant decreases in infant mortality. And not dying from bad water is there key there.
UAE was a bit different. Blood poisoning was a big killer of older folks. Why? Untreated rotten teeth, abcesses. And what caused that? Eating lots and lots of dates. My mother’s mother only lost one of her eleven children. The baby had ??? and an old women told her to give it blueberry juice. It died in an day, learning the hard way that was a no no.
And yes there was an outhouse and to my horror as a kid, on one trip the broken door was off and never got fixed. And they stripped me down in front of everybody and washed us little kids in big tubs with brushes that you cleaned concrete with. And when you cried over your skin being removed from your body, eveybody laughed. This was Mississippi in the early 50′s
The reasonabkle persepctive is that he stood up to the oil companies and the advocates of the NWO. He used the counrtry’s resources to imprve the living standards of its people. That was a definitel crime against the NWO for whom you are acting as nothing but shills.
The fact is that the NATO attack on Libya qualifies four squre as a crime against the peace consisting of planning, preparatiion, initiation, or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, and participating in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing. Merely by exceeding the UN mandate the attack was in violatiion of international treaties, agreements or assurances. But more than that, the attack is a direct violation of paragrapj 2 of Article 2 which declares that “all members SHALL refrain in their intgernational relations from the THREAT or USE OF FORCE againsty the territorial integrity or political inependence of any state, or in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of thh charter,” which makes these violations a direct crime against the peace. I could go on to cite other articles that squarely prohibit what the NATO gangsters have done.
The bottom line is that the Nazi war criminals were hanged for violating these standards that were mainly ex post facto against them. They are not ex post facto against the gangsters who engaged in the war and conspired to promot it, include each and every person who joined in the conspiracy to promote this war. That means you.
As the Nazis were hanged for their crimes, so the criminals planning and implementing and conspiring to plan and implent the crime against the peace in Libya should hang.
Prien
Prien
The UN Security Council vote authorized anything. In order for your statements to be true, a new resolution would have to have passed.
There should be some lessons in that.
One thing to notice, that Russia whined like a bitch about Libya but refused to veto or to offer “good offices.”
Gordin,
I guessed you meant “authorized everything.” That is firstly false, because it did not authorize ANY troops or involvement in the civil war which the NATO members have criminally violated for which they deserve to hang exact;y as did the Nazis. It also authorized only humanitarian assistance to protect the alleged murder of civilians, not attacks on the civil, military and other installations, facilities and people that has ended up murdering hundres if not thousand of civilians who were supposed to have been protected from violence. Thus, every step taken that even by a millimeter exceeds the plain mandate is a crime against the peace precisely as defined in the Nurnberg charges.
Second, paragraph 7 of Article 2 specifically provides that “NOTHING contained in the present Charter shall authorize the UN to INTERVENE in matters h are essentially withing the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement undeer the present Charter; but this principleshall not prejudice the epplication of enforcment measures under Chapter VII. There is nio doubg whatsoever that putting down civil insurrections is solely within the juriwdiction of a member state, and that thus .
prove any of this
Gordon (sorry, my type – flew off before I was finished)
Since there is no doubt whatever that putting down an armed insurrection or even civil unrest is solely within the domestic jurisdiction of a member, the NOTHING under the charter bars the UN from intervening such matters, even the alleged humanitarian assistance for which the use of force was purportrdly permitted. Thus, if NOTHING under the charter permits such intervention, then any intervention the UN purports to undertake is CONTRARY TO THE CHARTER and without legal foundation. Such actions, instead, fall four square within the Nurnberg charges of waging and planning to wage war contrary to existing international treaties and obligations.
Now I realize the saving caveat about UN action that the clause relating to Chapter VII purports to provide. A clear and obvious reading of the relevant Article 42 that deals with the use of force specifically limits it to “as may be necessary to maintain or restore INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND SECURITY.” Indeed, the Chapter heading is “Actions with respect to threats to the peace, breaches of the peace and acts of aggression.” The Chapter thus limits the UN’s authrozitation to use force SOLELY to actions to prevent threats to INTERNATIONAL PEACE nad to STOP AGRRESSION of one country against another. The clause relating to this Chapter that is included in Article 2 merely declares that when actions are authorized and necessry to preserve international peace and security, such actions shall not be deemed to be intruding into the internal affairs of a member which, of course, they would be doing since the waging of war by a membeer involves matters within its domestic jurisdiction i.e. its undertaking to declare and make war on aanother country.
tHAT PROVISOON , HOWEVER, IN NO WAY TRUMPS THE CLEAR BARRIER TO INTERVENION IN DOMESTIC MATTERS WHENEVER THE BIG POWERS SO DECIDE BECAUSE THEY DON’T LIKE WHAT’S GOING ON IN SOME COUNTRY, which the sole basis for NATO’s action.
You obviously have no clue whatever what the UN charter calls for and allows. Nor do you have any clue about the requirments imposed under the Nurnberg prosecutiopns.
Every advocate and proponent of the war og aggression against Libya is a war criminal who deserves to hang as did the Nazis who did the same thing.
And no amount of contrary babbling will change that.
Prien
Prien
Show me a document of objection by any member state.
During the last few days, Jacob Zuma, perhaps the stupidest human being ever to walk and talk, famous for being cheaper to buy than a pack of cigarettes, began running his mouth.
Some history there, but not for this venue.
It took alot of money to buy him out of prison and into office, I can say that much, many promises made to xxxxxxxxxxx
Gordon,
I’ll send you something in several weeks, then you can decide to write a story or NOT. You see presidents are only temporary, and sometimes plans (like the one in Beijing) are above their pay grade. And yes deal was made, however, this was accomplished during the last administration. And their partners are still in power.
And when you monitor the bigger picture, your FF will be easier to discover.
I read a number of legit websites, NATO is a lying weasel. Standards of living have improved greatly, there is some contention who is right here and who is not. We need to find out.
Yep. It’s post ops time. Read above in the piece. The Libyan people are going to clue everybody in. They will have the final say. And I am sleeping like a baby, except for the back pain in the morning.
YEP – Qaddafi did have WMD – he had the old blue-prints of N. Korea’s nuclear plant.
YEP – Saddam Hussein, too, had WMD, which were transfered to Lebanon via Syria on a caravan of donkeys.
YEP – And finall Gordon Duff woke up of its dream when he wrote that ‘Wikileaks is an Israeli projec[.
YEP – I know, it’s better to be on winner’s side than the loser’s.
Let’s watch Gordon’s future predictions on Syria, Hizbullah and Iran. Hillary, are you listening!!
Rehmat, Being silly is not an argument. When the Libyan people’s testimony comes out they will be lined up to rub whip cream pies in your face.
In case you haven’t noticed, I adjusted to living in an imperfect world a long time ago. And when our rulers could do nothing to stop the UFO’s buzzing around breaking the speeding laws, I never felt bad again about not being able to control the destiny of the planet and make all the bad people good.
But it they need a firing squad for the Ole’ colonel I am sure we can get a huge raffle going for tickets to be pulling triggers…and help with rebuilding the country.
Don’t forget. We were for a decapitation strike way back when to save a lot of lives and destruction. And we were right. We actually cared about all these people.
Rehmat,
You used to be one of our supporters on Wikieaks. You now seem to have become…another looneytune.
X
you are now off my Christmas card list, until you stop making a fool of yourself.
The new you is Zionist.
I hope they are taking good care of you.
Don’t think we don’t notice such things….like your new politics and your new friendship with Israel.
Was it money or threats?
g
All excerpts in quotes from :- Libya Now Needs Boots on the Ground
Author: – Richard N. Haass, President, Council on Foreign Relations
August 22, 2011
Financial Times
“It is one thing to kill the king and oust the ancient regime, something very different and much more difficult to put something better and lasting in its place”
“Now that this goal is about to be realised,”
So regime change was always part of the agenda but not in the UN mandate.
“Nato’s airplanes helped bring about the rebel victory. The “humanitarian” intervention introduced to save lives believed to be threatened was in fact a political intervention introduced to bring about regime change.”
Humanitarian intervention was always just the means to the end.
“Now Nato has to deal with its own success. Some sort of international assistance, and most likely an international force, is likely to be needed for some time to restore and maintain order.”
“Most importantly, US president Barack Obama may need to reconsider his assertion that there would not be any American boots on the ground; leadership is hard to assert absent participation. But whatever the international response, speed is essential. ”
Dirty business politics !
Ade
Our warning entirely, NATO action now needed in Libya, based on claims by globalresearch.ca and a pack of conspiracy phonies.
I can see it now, armies of non-existent Al Qaeda, part of the last dozen still alive according to General Petraeus, all marching across Libya asking:
“Where’s the white wemmin’ and the mustard gas?”
Linked In the “SPOTLIGHT” section here http://www.cfr.org/ Finance aside the last 15s is ominous re Iran
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/levey-says-seized-libyan-assets-may-be-used-as-leverage/2011/08/22/gIQApgjmWJ_video.html
Thanks. I think regardless of the propaganda, there are reasons to be skeptical (of how it turns out for the Libyan people). Based on what I’ve read here and what you’ve published, I think I can ask this; Do you think the Zionists will let Libya become “free”? They don’t appear to want any countries in that part of the world getting too big for their britches.
Meant that as a reply to above.
That money was most likely not a loan to Libya, but a payback for helping Sarkozy and holding that 911 suspect and then having him turn up dead when requests to have him returned to the US for questioning started to happen.
Sadly probably not. Whether the next regime will be an improvement on Quadaffi remains to be seen and The World Bank have already offered their assistance no doubt with a view to imposing their eternal usury central banking model upon the population.
Much in the same way as the central banking fraternity are bleeding the rest of the world dry with odious debt and interest.
That said
I don’t see the New Lybia having any problems with funding. They are in a very unique situation…one certainly worth fighting and dying for. I certainly would have. But it was nice to have a helper. NATO has already saved a lot of rebel lives.
All the military that has been destroyed was really nothing more than the largest Palace Guard maybe on the planet. It was not there to protect the country…only to protect Gaddfi from the people. Now why would a guy who ‘has done everything for his people’ need that???
Some years ago I worked with with a Libyan chap Ben it was around the time that PC Yvonne Fletcher was murdered in London. On Quaddafi he said if you crossed the ruthless regime or his henchmen then you would likely be persecuted or disappear he and his family did their best to ignore and be ignored by the regime.
Whatever the motivation of the intervening PTB / NATO the demise of Quaddafi presents a brighter future and a huge opportunity for the Libyans if they can maintain sovereign control over banking and their natural resources in the long term.
Rush Limbaugh passionately elaborated this type of rationale during Afghanistan and Iraq invasions to his audiences while spitting at his microphone. Few independently thinking individuals can fail now to see that it was all excuses to take down these countries. Give us one reason why we should fall for it again while the whole process is the same and visibly no extra efforts seem to have been put into creatively packaging the excuses any different, well beside adding a few anti-Zionist cuss words as seasoning just to make sure your audiences do not feel they are reading a Rush manuscript. Give us one reason why we should revise our understanding that the initiative that sees itself authorized to decide what is better for the people in other countries is the globalist world view or give us one reason why we should succumb to it.
Art, nobody is falling for anything. It’s post ops time. Is it a work in progress, with uncertainties? Sure? Kind of like we have here…and the situation that the European Union is in. This is not a doll house were are dealing with here. And again, Libya was a very unique situation. If they play their cards right they could be a semi Dubai on the Med if they get their act to do it. The potential is there. It’s now THEIR potential, not the Gaddafi families.
If any people have ever gotten a shot like this without fighting some bad guys and dying, someone please fill me in. And usually some helpers make a big differnce. I do remember the French helping someone out a good while ago. Gosh, can’t think of it now but it will come back to me
And besides, not a one of you has touched on where the real fun will begin on this thing. If G (not Gordon) is captured and goes on trial…ahhh, the tales he could tell. They will just be fabulous. A lot of Neocons and Blair are praying that he never sees a court room. If Gaddafi really wanted to do a number on NATO, all he would have to do is surrender, confess to everything, and then say, “But now let me tell you all who was in on it with me…my ‘other’ Palace Guards?”
The dicey thing is where the paperwork will go. We already see that document officers are not assigned to the rebel groups about securing everything so it can be preserved for use. After all of the time and preparation for the Tripoli uprising, I thought for sure they would have assigned docs guys making sure these ‘tear the joint up’ rebels don’t destroy key paperwork.
well spoken
The whole world is like a giant manufactured reality show for some unknown third party. Probably not a coincidence that the Zionist Jews control Hollywood and the MSM.
No offense to VT, but considering the MSM and alternative media are saying conflicting and contradictory things about Libya, no clue what to believe about it
Astounding!!! The two of you going on about Gaddafi’s bomb. How was he going to deliver it, by parcel post? Meanwhile, the psychopaths in Israel brag about having nuclear missiles pointed at all European capitals, and that they may have to nuke Iran, and VT is on about Gaddafi’s WMD. Hilarious.
If he had WMD it seems he didn’t use it in this attack by NATO and its rebels. The murdering rogue governments of the United States and Israel have WMD, perhaps they should be invaded.
Brian, Keep your fingers crossed. Saif used some code language in one of his last statements…something about the rebel forces being consumed in fire from the earh or such. It raised the hair on my neck. I think they are capable of anything.
Cur, You are missing the point. NATO knew he had it. The stuff has been under observation. The point of my whole piece was right in the beginning. The media hustlers are milking the Al Qaeda boogeyman for everything they can and a lot of dummies just can’t get enough. It gave birth to a whole new conspiracy angle for alt media to play on. We are the targets. VT was just responding to the ‘hustle in progress’. ‘Going on about the bomb’ is a mischaracteration.
Digging out Gordon’s old piece was an exercise to show that some of our own readers can’t remember stuff. A lot of work went into getting all of that. We were not holding our breaths. We did it to get it on the record so we could pull it out down the road, just like a lot of the archive material is for.
We surely can’t tell how the thing is going to end up, but we will surely know what has happened up til now. There are going to be very high profile trials…and very educational…for everybody.
Oh, you finally remembered Israel after the crying over Gaddafi.
We never forgot about it.
Gaddafi’s WMDs came from Israel (and South Africa) and are considerably more scary than nukes.
Gaddafi has enough VX to kill half the world and the ability to deliver it…or so many sources tell us, from the brits to the South Africans.
Do look into VX.
This is what Gaddafi has been making, not mustard gas.
I have consistantly criticized Israel for more than 40 years. It is the cowardly NATO governments that have protected them since this blot on humanity was created over 60 years ago.
Gaddafi may be a thug, murderer, and thief, but he has not attacked any NATO country. Meanwhile, your dumbf*ck legislators go on passing “accountability acts” or “freedom acts” that openly meddle in other countries internal affairs. Take a hint from Dear Ann or Dear Abby, MYOB. NATO and the UN are fronts for the powerful to attack the weak with an air of legitimacy. I cannot for the life of me understand why you and others at VT would support actions that put military personnel in harms way.
Looking at it a different way, if there wasn’t so much meddling in other countries internal affairs, maybe the Gaddafi’s would be fewer and further between.
Absolutely, completely, correct. This effort to justify the criminal aggression against Libya is beyond belief. Hitler must be laughing in hell.
Prien
where, exactly, did you learn about Gaddafi?
What’s the difference. In any case, it’s a list too long to mention plus academic creditials and a liftime of experience in law, political science, international relations, and politics.
I can also assess the meaning the the parts of the UN Charter that make the attack on Libya a clearly cut crime against the peace and war of aggression and a connspiracy to commit the same for which hanging is the appropriate penalty.
You are so deep in the hole on this that you don’t even dare to address any of the issues I have laid out that makes that absolutely clear.
Prien
petro dollar
queston: was qaddaffs mom Jewish?
VT = Fox 2.0.1
Ok…this is some kind of code right. Your going to make me go to the safey deposit box to get one of my old code books out, aren’t you?
Three young Libyan fighter gave me the best evidence it was worth while. Seated on the ground the TV on them, one of them kept pointing up to a wall behind them telling the TV people to look back there…finally the camera passed swiftly along the wall and there was the biggest US Flag attached to the wall…to me it was the most significant part, the young men knew it , to them also. And I thought, of other places we helped especially Israel, where I never see a US flag except at the embassy. So, as far as I am concerned, Obama can give those people all the help they need, they are worth it as friend and partner. Let us hope we will soon see a common market among those now free nations all waving US flags…WHET A SIGHT THAT WOULD BE??? Need to tell Obama not to let Hillary screw up the relationship forcing Israel down their throat as Bush tried with Iraq.
Erica
99% of the curmudgeon’s here that are pissing and moaning are Bushites with sexual inadequacy issues.
We aren’t so stupid we don’t recognize Glenn Beck burnouts pretending to be American patriots.
None of them can even “talk the talk” much less “walk the walk.”
Frankly, Jim and I are trying to get rid of as many as possible. The more we look like internet conspiracy sites, the worse it is for VT.
There is a mile of difference between intel and the kind of crap we are hearing, made up by teenagers with too much time on their hands.
Sheeple…Americans that support Gaddafi, by the way who has been “toast” for a very long time.
g
Then you should be smart enough to know that NATO elite partnered with China elite for conquest in the Middle East and Africa. Each will take control of one land mass, remember this Gordon because it’s coming. The training exercises have already started…..and this includes propaganda 101, false information about the relationship. Look up the visit from Chinese officials in summer of 2007, “that’s what you were told” when in fact an arms deal was signed (Your weren’t told) why? But that’s controlled media.
And this has nothing to do with politics, absolutely nothing. You spend some time in Africa do you? There are plenty of Asian military advisers on the ground and more to come. Don’t comment, just sit back and watch….
You don’t get it? The war on terror and laws that followed had much to do with this relationship; the Chinese people use to believe the US was a good country to reside, but now it is not. (It worked). Now they believe China has a better system, so this partnership will work now…..the strategy is much more detailed. But this relationship could have only worked if way of life in US appeared worse then China, and that’s why a show was performed through our media. And their still telling you the opposite, however, there’s many trips to China these days.
You’ll see things rolled out soon…..and remember this, it’s not politics, it’s the extreme wealthy making these decisions. They want slave labor, period. I’ll detail it later, has nothing to do with the president….many things are staged for reasons far beyond small battles. You should know by now the US is quickly helping to arm China, these deals were made in 2007.
I hope the libya people do well, but things are not complete, because the larger plan hasn’t been rolled out.
If you are too politically glued, then don’t waste your time, just sit back and watch, In the future, you might not like what you see.
Nice try OS.
Many EU countries still have strong ties with their former colonies in Africa. The USA is not even able to get an Africom base set up in an African country so I doubt anyone thinks that the USA can do a deal with China over Africa. China already has many relationships in Africa.
Both the USA and China have their relationships in the Middle East. The Saudis sell more oil to China than America. Everyone knows it is good to have more than one supplier when it comes to resources. China has ignored America’s requests for it to boycott Iran – nothing the USA can do about it, you can’t argue with ‘the bank’ that holds as many bonds as China does especially when you want them to buy more.
I believe that Israel has already realised that the US will be cutting its military spending and that this will effect Israel’ security; they will need to sign up for the two state solution.
Sit back and watch……..that’s what am saying….I lived and worked in China for many years (Beijing), have you?. You are just making statements.
Nice try, means you are clueless…..”their former colonies”, that’s funny.
Only rookies mistake false information, about relationships, this information is used to hide the true relationship. Nice try, what clueless people….some surprises are coming.
And Louise, I was also senior consultant for EU companies working in China….
Louise,
Reference “their former colonies” tells me allot about you. I would share this information with you, but it’s a trade secret….good day.
That’s it Gordon, result to personal insults when bullshit won’t work.
You have completely misrepresented my comments. I only support Gaddafi in so far as it for Libyans to decide what happens.
He has been toast for years, because of the meddling of external forces.
Gordon,
Sorry, it is by supporting the NATO war of aggression that you turn yourself into a conpiracy site. You won’t have to bother cleansing your site of those who don’t go along with you. They will just have their fill of the bilgewater you spread and turn off the faucet.
Prien
or….am kind enough to reply to someone willing to back a mass murderer and thief because an israeli group was hired to buy gaddafi and his sons publicity on crooked conspiracy sites…
this was arranged when saif went to tel aviv
folks who were there are now coming forward
(just kidding….no way I would print anything true for idiots to read…it would be a waste of time)
Mass murderer. You obviously need a lesson on who are the real mass murderers. For starters, the US and Nato leaders for the mass murder of Iraqi children, the murdering of Serbs, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Chileans, Argentine, Nicaraguans, San Salvadorans, Brazilians, S. Koreans during their campaigns of terror to subject them to shcok treatgment and turn them into slaves on behaldf of the corproate gangsters. The Libyab operation is nothing but a carbom copy of all those terror campaigns that were waged world wide to suppress govrnments that were seeking to improve the lives of their people.
Your siding with the war against Libya turns you into one of their accomplices to murder and terror.
Prien
Libyan fighter? I’ve read where many/most of the “rebels” are from other countries. Wha?
reading?
good.
Start with classic comics, get a background with Shakespeare, then move to Mad Magazine.
After the 20 yr neo-con rape of Iraq and Israel’s constant holocaust of the Palestinians and war crimes in Lebanon it’s hard to not be suspicious…It’s also hard to see an arab patriot putting up an American flag..that’s like putting up an Israeli flag..what’s wrong with these people? They shouldn’t be so much grateful as suspicious….We lied about 9-11 ( a Mossad/Mossad asset job ) and invaded Afghanistan for TAPI pipelines/CIA partnering w/drug lords/surrounding Iran, etc…And we’re supposed to believe that this was for the best of intentions? I hope so…I hope we have little influence there….
It’s also hard to believe that all those spanking new rebel flags arrived in anything but a special shipment by the CIA.
Prien
Zionists and the NATO war criminals are psychopaths. they hate when they see people live debt free, interest free, not burdened with income tax, college loans, mortgage etc. what they want is to install a puppet and use their favorite bumper sticker called “freedom”. they will control the central bank and loot all the gold. they will introduce heavy interest based international banking system and consumerism and bring in slave labor from elsewhere like Dubai and portray a fake image of Libya that how prosperous Libya is under parasitic foreign occupation.
That’s exactly what I’m afraid of…Let’s hope not…I hope they live better..I hope they can support the real anti-NWO/Israhell revolutionaries in Egypt..I hope they tell Obama and the UK to keep their troops off their soil…I hope they make their own laws…I hope they don’t allow any foreign military bases in their country..We’ll see Duff…the proof is in the pudding..
They are sitting on a Federal Reserve in the ground, once owned by a family who looked at the rest of them as advanced plantation animals that made good sense to take care of…up to a point.
What kind of cops to crooked cops hate the most, a la Serpico?…one that is not crooked. There have been some brain cels working on these comments about the debt free Libya. Those in hock up to their eyeballs will hate them.
But don’t worry. Anthony Quinn will come riding up on a while horse and beard and all will be well, after he has shot some folks. That always seems to be part of fixing things in the land of the sand.
Libya most likely will be like Indonesia post Soeharto.
Soeharto was almost the same like Gaddafi, he had relation with zionist, a corrupt leader installed by Washington and at the end he was not needed anymore, so they “coup” him.
but now those teenage who “coup” him regret their actions decades ago, they only coup him without thinking, what will their country like after the Fall of the regime, the fact is Indonesia become more open to Globalist Plan, a cheap-labour nation.
Under Soeharto Regime, most of indonesia natural resources, the media etc was at his hand, but after the “coup”, Murdoch have some indonesian media, Oil and Gas owned by foreign company, the central bank become IMF puppet and even i just read about Danone – “that won Jubilee Award by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu” monopolize most Indonesian water spring, and more of Indonesian natural resources will be at he hand of Globalist forces.
if it is Soeharto today in the news not Gaddafi, people will accused him about WMD as well, since Indonesia never sign Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty under his regime – it was just recently indonesia sign CNTB – and he built nuclear reactor and intensive nuclear program.
even SIPRI.org said
“While Indonesia operates under IAEA safeguards and (since 1966) has pursued only peaceful applications for its nuclear technology, it is conceivable that, should it adopt a radical shift in its nuclear policy, Indonesia could pursue uranium enrichment and weaponization programs”.
So don’t get confused people, it is the Greed become more Greedy, they don’t need their Zionist Dictators Friends anymore so they kick their friends out of business, clear and simple and for Libyan People , welcome to “modern global slavery” era, there is no free lunch especially if we are talking about Coup.
The JEWISH media, Haaretz, are refering to Gadhafi as a maverick – So obviously Israel has a close relationship with Gadhafi – see story below. No doubt this is why we have the WMD stories in USA media.
Gadhafi urges Libyans to ‘destroy rebels’, as hideout apparently surrounded
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/gadhafi-urges-libyans-to-destroy-rebels-as-hideout-apparently-surrounded-1.380680
Maverick leader makes plea in brief audio statement broadcast on Al-Arabiya and other Arab stations, as rebels beseige compound where they believe he is hiding with some of his sons.
Muammar Gadhafi has called on Libyans to “destroy” the rebels who have overtaken Tripoli forced his regime into hiding. The appeal comes as intense fighting has erupted in the Libyan capital.
The maverick leader made the plea Thursday in a brief audio statement broadcast on Al-Arabiya and other Arab stations.
My note regarding this -
This is all becoming quiet amusing – the USA is taking out any leader who is chums with Israel. Iraq is now working hand in hand with Iran. Mubarak has gone from Egypt. Turkey is no longer friends with Israel. Assad is still in power in Syria. Do you get the feeling that the USA has known all along that Israel was behind 9/11 and so it decided to take out any leader who is friends with it. Can anyone remember who Israel wanted the USA to invade after 9/11 first happened?
The leaders are no longer needed,single powerful dictators have the capability to “say no” or to “bite back” and cause more war in the future, even if they have close relationship with Zionist,
it always best to divide and conquer, with “Liberal Democracy”, Zionist can penetrate and control the Regime deep further, and installing more goy-friends.
This is the “new model” of Zionist controlled regime and We can simply take a look for Libya economic plan after the fall of Gadaffi, is it going to benefit those Zionist bankers and support globalist plan or not, and after that we will know what this all about. if I’m right ,then more “old model” of Zionist controlled Regime will be recycled.
“Today the Jews(Zionists) rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them”
Prime Minister of Malaysia-Tun Dr. Mahathir, 2003
It’s only fair to say that I will be aggresively petitioning God for the destruction of America.
Well we would prefer that HE convert it to a decent Christian country instead of the occult controlled Judeo-Masonic nightmare it’s become..
NATO Partnership in Libya Serves as Model, Panetta Says
Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta today called U.S. support for the NATO mission that’s helping opposition forces make progress against Moammar Gadhafi’s regime Libya an example of the international cooperation that will be critical in the future.
“It is a good indication of the kind of partnership and alliances that we need to have for the future if we are going to deal with the threats that we confront in today’s world,” Panetta told students during addresses at both the Naval Postgraduate School and Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center.
http://www.militaryonlinecollege.org/military-education-news/nato-partnership-in-libya-serves-as-model-panetta-says.html
Yep — “…serves as a model…in the future…” Right out of the horse’s mouth. You can’t attack my source on that one, Gordon.
He was intimating that Libya was not a one-shot deal. Given that we’ve been inundated for the past several weeks by HIllary’s bluster and not-so-veiled threats that Assad has to go, the signs are all there that Syria has already been selected as the next target. And then which country? Lebanon, Iran, Pakistan?
Cui bono? Israel.
Right you are. And our great leader McCain is even now advocating applying that model to RUSSIA. Unless they are complete idiots or fools, they will heed the warning and they will never again support the kind of resiolution that appeared to authorize the aggression against Libya.
Prien
So exposing Wikileaks as a Disinfo Israel Agent….VT were really exposing themselves. Now both of them are right? Sounds like a set-up. Mr. Dean looks like a AIPAC member. I can easily find out.
Please do. I am dying to find out so I can turn him in.
But I don’t understand your point. This is a complicated subject so you’re forgiven for being confused…as it is.