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Breaking: Iran and Israel Caught – Partnering in Nuclear Attack Ploy
Tel Aviv and Tehran Clergy in Oil Price – War Scare Fraud …Iran Nuke Arsenal Exposed
by Editors Gordon Duff and Jim W. Dean, with Mike Harris
Whose Fortunes Will Be Sunk in the Persian Gulf ?
The news has been filled with stories of plans by Israel or the US to bomb Iran. There was recently a series of accusations made against Iran involving the assassination of Saudi and other diplomatic officials.
These accusations were quickly discarded by most press organizations as “far fetched” but, for some reason drew responses from the US, France and others, responses that were “non linear” at best.
Why would President Obama threaten Iran over accusations that all the networks said were nonsense?
Now, sources in Iran, at the highest levels, along with sources in the US and Britain, fearful of a “scam gone awry” tell of an extraordinary plot that is ready to unfold.
Secret contacts between Prime Minister Ahmadinejad, Ayatollah Khameni and counterparts in Israel, Russia and Turkey have been uncovered outlining a plan to stage an attack on Iran by Israel with full permission of the key groups within the leadership of the Iranian government and the clerics who oversee them. Members of opposition groups who have learned of this plan are livid.
The Sopranos Move to the Persian Gulf
The attack, scheduled for any day now, has one primary purpose.
It is meant to stabilize both the Iranian and Israeli governments, both of which have strong opposition at home and face charges of corruption and to correct major regional financial disaster each confront.
The “deal” between Israel and Iran is much closer to something out of the Sopranos than normal international relations.
This is pure “mob rule.”
THE OIL GLUT
Americans note that gasoline prices, recently at $4.50 per gallon, now approach $2.99 despite the continuation of artificial price supports due to illegal market speculation.
Gas price manipulation bankrupted the auto companies and has bled trillions of dollars out of the American economy that, not only destroyed our balance of trade but has lowered our standard of living.
This manipulation has been to prevent downward pressure on oil prices from three major market forces.
Will We Get the Old Gas Prices Back at This Critical EconomicTime - Or Will We Get Raped Instead?
1) There has been an 8% decrease in demand for oil and other petrochemical products worldwide, causing massive downward pressure on oil prices.
Price platforms that had been over $150 per barrel (2008) with current futures trading up to $120 per barrel while actual sale prices according to Platts Marketscan are at $86.00 per barrel less discounts of up to $8.00.
Corrected prices based on actual supply and demand would have oil at or below $60 per barrel and gasoline on the American market at $1.79 per gallon and on most European markets at E .79 per litre including all applicable taxes and fees.
The truth about supply issues has been suppressed. Not only is demand down but supply is skyrocketing.
2) Recent discoveries in the Eastern Mediterranean and West Africa/Cameroon place available reserves at nearly 40% higher than estimated 3 years ago.
Accurate reporting of these reserves would make oil futures virtually worthless, something that in a normal world would be of interest to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now its “big oil’s” time for its own “pump and dump” in the futures market. With this comes more powerful political backing for this crazed and apocalyptic scheme.
3) New gas pipelines have broken Russia’s stranglehold on the market for natural gas and will push costs and profitability in that commodity through the floor.
Thousands of Highly Mobile Silkworms Line the Persian Gulf
THE WAR FIX
There is only one way to stabilize gasoline prices that are in “free fall,” closing the Straits of Hormuz, the narrow waterway serving Iraq, Kuwait and other Gulf States that is controlled militarily by Iran through its vast network of Silkworm missiles will do exactly that.
Such an act would hit just like a worldwide oil embargo and could be triggered in hours by any Israeli attack on Iran.
What had been seen, in the past, as a potential world disaster, is now just another way to make a quick buck, despite the fact that those involved are, at least according to stories in our press, “blood enemies.”
IRAN’S PROBLEM
To Save Themselves Financially - Would They Do Something Crazy?
Iran’s government is unstable, unpopular, considered extremely corrupt and is subject to pressure both internally and externally and we note from the continual talk of “sanctions.”
Post revolutionary Iran has a theocratic government, whose elected officials are subject to oversight by a religious authority.
However, it is the religious authority itself that is currently the subject of most accusations of corruption and reported to be behind this new deal with Israel.
Additionally, Iran had chosen to invest around the imagined stability of the Euro, both out of poor financial judgement and a belief it was a way of opposing the influence of the United States in the region.
However, as the Euro is currently in total collapse and the banks looked to for providing support for the Euro, banks Iran is heavily invested in, are insolvent due to hundreds of trillions of Euros of “toxic assets,” worthless securities they have used to underwrite their most profitable lending activities.
Thus, Iran’s financial picture isn’t very hopeful and much less so if oil markets are under threat.
A collapse of oil prices would lower Iran’s GNP (Gross National Product) significantly, causing additional social discord and the inability on behalf of the government to subsidize key constituencies. Currently, veterans of the Iraq/Iran war are one of the key political constituencies in Iran and are very mobilized for political action.
They stand ready to act against the current government if financial policies threaten their interests, as does the military and the Revolutionary Guard.
NOT JUST IRAN
Just look at Nigeria. With a population of nearly 200 million, any cut in revenue due to falling oil prices would threaten their already beleaguered situation, a nation facing, not only terrorism but revolution.
Venezuela faces the same as does Ghana, Sudan, Chad, Angola, Tunisia, Indonesia and a dozen other nations without the financial wherewithal to remain stable with significant changes in the oil market.
Though “flush with cash,” the big loser is Russia, not just a potential big loser but also a “big player” in the region.
THE PLAN DISCOVERED A YEAR AGO
On June 18th, 2010, I wrote the following in Veterans Today:
Israel's Iran Strike Logistics Basing Area
A week ago, Israel leaked to the press that they had permission from Saudi Arabia to use their air space to attack Iran. The Saudi’s quickly denied this.
The effort on Israel’s part was a ruse to cover their real plans, to attack from the Republic of Georgia, close to Iran’s northern border.
However, the breakdown in relations with Turkey after miscalculating the response to their Flotilla raid on a Turkish ship in international waters may have ended this operation.
Israel, whose arms agreements with Turkey mounted to nearly $5 billion dollars over a period of years, had been training pilots in Turkey for bombing attacks on Iran. During these training missions, Israel was smuggling aircraft through Turkish airspace.
Turkey had allowed Israel to use their air space for training because their terrain closely resembled areas of Iran that Israel planned to attack. However, Turkey was unaware that planes involved in this effort were being relocated to forward staging areas in the Republic of Georgia, making Turkey, technically, fully complicit in this planned illegal attack.
Helping coordinate the attack are intelligence units forward stationed in Azerbaijan, under the guise of technicians, trainers and advisors under the broad armaments agreements with that small nation.
Supply operations, moving necessary ordnance, much of it supplied by the United States under ammunition storage agreements, is being moved through the Black Sea to the Georgian Port of Poti, a major site for exporting coal and manganese ore….
USS Graple
Cover for the supply operations is being performed by the Georgian Coast Guard, set up by Israel and manned with Israeli observers.
Their job is to keep Russian surveillance craft away from supply operations under the guise of a “Gaza type” naval blockade of Abkhazia, a separatist province supported by Russia….
US Naval forces began operating in the Black Sea in late May, with the USS Graple (T-ars 53), a service and salvage ship, visiting the Georgian port of Poti for joint military exercises which ended June 8th.
Prior to that, the last US Navy ship in the region was the USS John L. Hall (FFG-32), a Perry class guided missile frigate. A Russian spokesman said, “The US is trying to turn the Black Sea into an American lake.”
The US is also maintaining a training and observation command in Tiblisi, a unit from Ramstein AFB in Germany, that is coordinating air traffic and radar functions.
With regular visits by the US Navy scheduled and ramping up at the same convenient time Israel is building up its arms cache in Georgia for the upcoming attack on Iran, the current debacle with Turkey may have set things back or ended this gambit completely.
Turkish air controllers had to know something was afoot when the attack bombers failed to return to the agreed upon flight plans and return to Israel.
Russian made S-300 Air Defense Missiles
A critical issue, of course, is the S300 air defense system that Russia has agreed to withhold from Iran as part of the program of sanctions. The current Tor 1 system, though robust, can be defeated by a well planned low level attack.
As the use of Georgia may be seen as a provocation by Russia, even if the attacks never manifest as anything other than more “firing blanks” like Israel’s tussle with Hezbollah in Lebanon, Russia may reconsider the delivery of this vital defense technology.
Without the ability to use forward bases in either Georgia, Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan, Israel would be unable to attack Iran at all except by flying a circuitous 4500 mile “each way” route or using the limited capabilities of its nuclear armed submarine off the coast of Iran. It is uncertain how Turkey will deal with the illegal use of their airspace by Israel as relations are already at a low ebb.
With a number of former Soviet airfields spread across Georgia and 4 of 5 fields in Azerbaijan available for operations and support, the region makes a perfect area for broad operations, not only against Iran but for movement of contraband of every variety.
WHAT HAS CHANGED – WHAT WE MISSED
Yes - America Has Been Talking to the Iranians
What we didn’t know but suspected, is that Iran and Israel had been doing more than talking in Dubai where both do more than occasional banking.
Back channel communications between the Iranian government and the US had been done through Indonesia with Robert Gates as initial intermediary.
Since that time, such talks have gone through many hands. What we didn’t know is that “talks” included “plots.”
The current issue has an unusual flavor to it with money flowing freely into the hands of all involved.
Participation in such a plan, with the risk of nuclear war very real despite the careful mechanizations of the conspirators, could very well have ramifications leading to global war.
Wars have been started over less, as an assassination in Sarajevo in 1914 taught all of us.
ISRAEL
Is Netanyahu Betting It All on a Grand Slam?
Israel gets to focus its internal problems on an external enemy and, in the process, get another “big win” like the one the US got when it killed the long dead Osama bin Laden.
Netanyahu’s belief is that his domestic opposition, more powerful than ever, will be silenced and his strained relations with the US will be repaired.
Added to “the deal” are provisions for generous financial windfalls for all involved.
Similarly, we have traced payments to Hamas made by Israel, stretching back many years.
We have also traced Israel’s control in a number of publications supposedly dedicated to the Palestinian cause, all carefully used by Israel to orchestrate tensions and derail any potential trust or cooperation.
The supposed “anti-zionist” Palestinian publications and select Islamic organizations, particularly in Lebanon, have been among Israel’s most valuable assets.
Now with the discovery of the covert relationship between Israel and Iran, this has become much more understandable, particularly in light of the new-found fear of political destabilization as Israel primary “assets” in the region, Mubarak in Egypt and Gaddafi in Libya have both fallen to what we hope will be democratic regimes.
THE WAR PLANS – NUCLEAR IRAN
Thermonuclear Warhead
We had been receiving information about nuclear weapons in Iran for several months. Sources were given that had not checked out, Pakistan, North Korea, South Africa and even Israel.
However, one source did check out, the Ukraine. We don’t have the exact date or number but we are told that the Ukraine sold Iran 6 thermonuclear warheads, probably in or around 2003.
Iran was fearful of US forces on both borders and nuclear weapons would have only been usable as a “last resort,” not against Israel but against American armies moving into Iran.
That the warheads are from an American ally, one being courted for NATO membership at the time, made this issue one of great sensitivity.
It was easier to continue talking about nuclear programs that didn’t exist than weapons that did.
For Iran, these weapons, back in 2003 at least, were going to be a great surprise to the neocons at PNAC (Project for a New American Century) that had planned their demise. Things never got that far.
Now Iran is stuck with weapons they can never use, not against Israel, certainly not against American forces in Iraq who are currently in full scale withdrawal. Each weapon has taken on the effect of being an albatross around Iran’s neck, far more of a security risk than asset.
WHAT WE ALSO KNOW
Discussions within the Iranian clergy, unknown to their new Israeli friends, indicate that these nuclear devices, each deliverable by ballistic missile, will be made operational as a “safety measure.” What can they be thinking?
One must realize that this is the same religious organization that regularly has government officials charged with witchcraft.
This highly classified information is being published at great risk by many in America, Great Britain and Iran in hopes that that the “clear light of day” will bring about a period of reflection and a restoration of sanity.
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If the Persians agree to this scenario…this global game of “role play” kabuki theatre they’re out of their minds…you can’t trust Israel..There’s an old expression; “when you supper with the Devil you better have a long spoon..”
Bill
Exactly
I think you said it in an interview last year that “anyone who gets in bed with Israel is eventually sold down the river.”
I can’t remember if it was you or Jeff Gates who said they had a discussion years ago with a Israeli general and they had told he or you that Israel had infiltrated every organization that threaten Israel’s existence… which this appear to allude to.
The more you bring light about what happens in the background amongst the supposed intelligence agencies, tells more about how unintelligent those really are who claim to be intelligence. Doesn’t anyone question intelligence in intelligence?
Yes Bill I was thinking the same thing, and that Devil includes most of the scum bags in Washington.
Persians never agree to do that, Ahmadinejad is one little smart one to fall for that , it is like we Iranian are that stupid to trust US zionist stooge govrnment like we did nt learn from 1953. this guy is a delusional coming up with BS like that. I guess that is the end of him on presses tv.
then of course, we have articles coming in from Iran how the clergy are running crime there, shaking down merchants..threatening them with charges of “witchcraft” if they don’t pay 50% of their gross income
I may be on TV in Iran every day and write in their newspapers but I am not owned
hell, I am on in Israel too….and the ADL hates me
as for you?
theo? Greek name?
live in florida? No history here?
who u workin for?
He works for ME!!!!!!
Mooooooohahahahahahahhahahaaahahaa! *evil laughter*
gohbokhor not a good name
I guess GD has not figured out your ethnicity since he doesnt know meaning of your name.
1st , never mind my name off topic we all can be a mix race?, 2nd, working for no one, if you have some thing in mind say it , i agree and appreciate your views most of the time but not this time i often travel to Iran and read most of Farsi news from opposite sides and i have never read this latest accusation .Those merchants you referring to are called BAZZARI fat cats, (Iranian wall street) and comprised of very rich powerful Business people and some are against paying their fair share of taxes like GE and some are affiliated to green movement and Mir hussain Mossavi so there is no love lost there for sure it is not Mafia style extortion from average merchant business people, the way you put it. Corruptions are rampant among politicians every where but I doubt Ahmadi is one of them.
Gordon,
The bazarris are precisely who helped the Mullahs overthrow the Shah. You’re a little off on your reply here to theo on that basis. Rafsanjani IS a bazarri, he’s just an incredibly (incredibly………) wealthy one. Incidentally, the Mullahs and the Bazarris helped to place the Shah in the 50s within one week.
The witchcraft accusation – you didn’t think twice about running that did you? Find me a SINGLE Farsi source from a State run newspaper that even writes about magic, djinn and witchcraft extensively. Here is a translated Iranian source that will tell the true background of that story: http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2008/august2008/so-far-ahmadinejad-resists-in-the-storm-against-ra.shtml
I am kind of dumbfounded that you even bought into the idea as if the Mullahs have been making mistake after stupid mistake. I would love that, but sorry, GD!
did one yesterday and did two interviews on him for Press TV this morning
Not anymore, I let press tv know not to waste time on you anymore. we call your writing “kosesher” ask Gohbokhor for translation in Farsi , only good for paper bag with Fabio cover for old ladies’ consumption
I have a dozen more, read these 4 and get back to me. As the most published invidudual on these issues and a leader of the movement, I am trying to figure out exactly what in the name of friggin’ g-d you are talking about. Where the hell have you been? What planet?
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g
Smoke another one, Gordon.
Stop “Bogarting” “Ike”………learn to share….”Ike”
Gordon Duff, The U.S. Army has a contingent at Kuwait Port for shipping/returns.
Are they still in a good spot?
Rick
We didn’t get any feedback on US involvement in this at all. It is obviosly there but without hard info, I simply didn’t go there.
If the Iranianas and Israelis hadn’t thought this up themselves, I might have. It is actually quite clever.
It is just too dangerous and financially disastrous for America.
Beam me up Scotty…there’s no intelligent life down here……………
Another excellent article by the VT Editorial Staff. As incredulous as this type of alleged plots between supposed enemies seem, this is the way most actual modern wars occur. Thus most modern wars are negotiated between certain leaders of top ruling factions via covert backchannel associations and these super-elite power brokers often share membership in occult linked associations. Not so strange however are their typical goals which tend to be war profiteering and other power enhancing objectives.
When these realities are communicated to the average person on the street they are typically rejected out of hand as crackpot conspiracy stuff by folks who wear tinfoil hats. The near absolute incredulity of these sickening backchannel realities protect these secret war crimes against humanity from exposure. Duff, Dean and Harris have ripped back the curtain and exposed the wizard of oz or these “planned wars” for the first time that I can recall and they deserve recognition for this excellent article.
When the Iran/Contra affair was exposed there was a great deal of confusion of how our current administration could actually get involved in complex arms for hostage deal with our supposed enemy Iran. Taken in view of the information exposed in this article, it becomes much easier to understand. The average joe has extreme difficulty understanding the “right of kings”, ie the tendency for rulers (the top super-elites who are typically psychopaths and perverts) to be part of an exclusive trans-national “club”, and that these folks place themselves above normal humanity which they view as chattle to be bought, sold and manipulated. Hidden from the public scrutiny lie secret associations and even intergenerational genetic ties that would be quite incredulous if revealed. Perhaps the best way to view this struggle between these super elite sociopathic deviant rulers and the sheeple they rule over is to catagorize this as a huge worldwide covert war on humanity by their rulers who don’t give a damn about the people’s welfare at all. But the saddest part of this whole conflict is that it has been almost completely covert, that is hidden from history except for certain intel officers and astute researchers of intergenerational super-elite deviance. This article is a first step, and a very big one at that, to rip back the curtain and peel back the onion of this terrible secret of the “right of kings”. Once the masses of the world start figuring this out (and that isn’t too far off thanks to VT and the Internet and the growing worldwide disatisfaction with unjustified wars), the “jig will be up” and this age old struggle will come out into the open and folks will finally have the courage to openly state that the king is actually naked and has no new clothes at all.
Very well said indeed
I disagree. I think they’re average men at the right place and the right time, with the wrong type of character to know what to do with the power they possess.
copy copy that “GohBokhor”…half/half
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely!
Are you saying that the leaders of Iran would permit an attack on Iran to help raise oil prices? And how could domestic opposition in Israel of anywhere be silenced by another war that seriously raised oil prices? Not getting this, but I’ll admit to not having the overall knowledge level maybe necessary to get it.
big al, trust me you got.
What this seems to prove is that world politics is like the wheeler-dealer organizations on Wall Street. Everyone has a big deal planned to one-up someone else without giving a shit about how it will all end, as long as they see some short-term gain that lines their pockets so they can buy another yacht.
These geopoliticians think they can get away with anything because that’s the way it’s been for a long time, but they put the world at risk of more than just a financial melt-down if someone intentionally or accidentally launches a nuclear missile that starts World War III. I’m waiting for those White Hats in our government and intelligence services to make their moves. It had better be soon, and I for one hope that Obama will be running the show.
@ Joe in San Francisco
“Moral decay, political corruption and fascism are everywhere. But activists have been busy. For decades we have tried every tactic to avert catastrophe. We voted, wrote letters, gave money, held signs, protested in marches, clicked links, signed petitions, tweeted websites, wrote books, taught classes, turned off the television, programmed apps, engaged in direct action, committed petty vandalism. All for naught. Popular revolution remains the only viable tactic left.”
‘There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. The business of the Journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and or lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.’ ~ John Swinton, former Chief of Staff, The New York Times, 1953
swinton quote?, yes.
1953?, probably not as JS died in 1901
http://www.rense.com/general20/yes.htm
One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
“There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
“There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty_four hours my occupation would be gone.
“The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
“We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”
(Source: Labor’s Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)
Gordon I had my buddies at Goldman Sucks do some research they discovered, not a shock to me, you and Jim bought thousands of call options on oil futures just the other day, good timing!
Seriously though I did here about this from the article: We don’t have the exact date or number but we are told that the Ukraine sold Iran 6 thermonuclear warheads, probably in or around 2003.
Well perhaps there is something to this or perhaps they’re chuckling in Tel Avia and Tehran? A diversion to keep the real plan hidden? These type of discovered plots rarely to come to fruition. I know it not because they’re just rumors or somebody with an ulterior motive, it’s because they exposure caused the evil doers to scratch the plan.:-)
However, from a financial angle it’s not a bad idea for those on the right side of the energy futures market and then holding a vast amount of oil. Actually the plan makes sense but I hope it’s alright with Gordon and Jim if I’m have my doubts.
Well I’m concerned something is going to happen on 11/11/11 due to the number 11 being a major number for satanists, which includes false flag terrorists from Israel. If your sources tell you it’s going to happen on 11/11/11 I would appreciate getting an email a couple days in advance so I can make a fortune.
If you guys end up being right you should be on the cover of Time magazine.
Oops! Should be those holding a vast amount of oil.
Brian
Do you think we enjoyed writing this? The people who smuggled out this information, Iran, Israel and the Ukraine face death.
What the article could do in a perfect world is stop a war.
Otherwise, I wouldn’t give a shit.
You know…since you and I have been communicating…maybe 5 years now, much has changed.
The world is broke, of course, more people live as slaves and Americans are twice again dumber than before or are they?
Some are in the streets.
You used to write…research..
Gordon,
If you believe this is very strong Intel, well my apologies, but I didn’t actually dismiss it, I’m just being a little skeptical. Iran and Israel in cahoots in a false flag for mutual benefits is a bit shocking. Yes, I know they’re involved in trade but this is a bit of a mind blower. No I have not researched this, too busy trying to make a living in my new field, oh I wish I could move and go back into my old field. Oh well.
Well this is an intriguing story.
I’m not joking about 11/11/11. Also be concerned about 11/9/11.
By the way, most Americans have know idea what is going on. They don’t know what Zionism is and they’ve never heard of the Mossad or the Israeli Lobby and they don’t know anything about the one percent in Toledo and they’ve never been to a vegetable canning factory in Bulgaria.
“Each weapon has taken on the effect of being an albatross around Iran’s neck, far more of a security risk than asset.”
Although the security of these can be problematic in any country I can’t see these being an albatross around Irans neck. De Gaul once said that “countries do not have friends, only interests” so eventually they will be needed. I remember some errant nukes in the USA that almost made it off shore showing that even countries that are supposed to have good security systems can be breached.
An interesting article, and I remember writing a piece for TOTM several years ago suggesting that Iran already had nukes based on their actions – it was a logical extrapolation and, I’m glad to see, vindicated.
Sherman Skolnick wrote almost 8 years ago, that Iran was scheduled for attack in 2012.
So, the City of London boys overpriced their oil futures and now need to take the world down to drive the price back up. Makes sense. Oil is the real international reserve currency, and protected by every country’s strategic national security rules, which we average schmoes, the real stakeholders, have no say in. We just suffer the consequences of what these goons dream up.
Costa, You aren’t another one of these guys who ran out of your meds are you?
If you are I am sorry for your situation, but please spare the rest of us. This is a website for grownups and we don’t offer ‘take out’.
If half this is true, its hard to imagine a more treasonous bunch of lunatics.
So, Iran is arming their warheads, why because they are gonna lock and load in case Israel gets too greedy in their “attack”?
Man, the wheels can come off this one real quick. How about the Iranian NCO who ignores the stand down order, and fires his Surface to air missiles that blow the Israelis out of the sky? What happens then?
What happens when their precious oil prices refuse to follow predictable lines, because everything else is shot to hell and going down in flames?
No wonder everything is in free fall, the best these psychopaths can come up with is an elaborate hoax that can start WW3.
How about the Iranian NCO who ignores the stand down order, and fires his Surface to air missiles that blow the Israelis out of the sky? What happens then?
Well, Mike, one thing that happens for certain in such an event is no more need for a “Peace Process” nor for “Recognition of a Palestinian State” of any kind, because theyll be vaporized along with the Talmudic parasites.
quite frankly I’m getting to point of saying to hell with it, let them nuke themselves and the rest of us into oblivion. The absurdity and irrationality of it all is beyond the pale.
why attacks are scheduled for regions with no air defenses
but…risk is real
“why attacks are scheduled for regions with no air defenses”
Oh G… need I really suggest to you of all people that such a point is irrelevant in this day and age. One round doth not a war make, but in the successive responses, each more self justified than the last. When all are fighting and all are firing, if anyone remains to drag themselves up off the ash-strewn ground will they even remember who fired the first shot? Will it really matter then?
It puts me in mind of a cynical and darkly humorous video I was pointed to some time ago on You Tube. Check it out…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE (remove the [] )
All I can say is stop the world I want to get off…
nevermind the [], they obviously didn’t fool the filter into avoiding moderation.
Craig Stadler. (goo goo g’joob)
But seriously, I wonder how much John Lennon knew. After all, he was murdered by an MKultra Manchurian Candidate. Death: the ultimate magical mystery tour
Israel’s worry isn’t Iran, its China…..and another big one. Let’s see in about 2003, (3) countries signed a pack agreement….1. China, 2. Russia, 3. ——-.
China Military (Corporation) has been building underground systems in Iran for number of years, know they been building underground systems. Someone’s trying to leverage a business deal; Israel is probably the gopher as usual.
It’s all about OIL, period….nothing else.
On the other hand, maybe there’s secret plan to setup Israel, for massive retaliation after the attack. I have absolutely no doubt the pack above is waiting for the perfect opportunity.
And also have absolutely do doubt they know where every single Warhead is located in this tiny country. Sorry but it’s obvious…
How long are the US people, going to allow these oil wars. With the cost, all technical problems can be solved at home, but again they have been blocking technologies for years. Like George B. blocking electric cars entering into the US market for number of years, say one think, but take other actions.
Maybe we should go after the one’s trying to start the oil wars, and block technologies. And don’t blame some of the officials in Washington, they have not been able to balance budgets for many years, they are quite “incompetent”…..so what else do you expect? I know how incompetent they are……
Hell, I’m starting to feel sorry for our president, he’s surrounded by morons.
And he too is nothing more than the latest waterboy, so what else is new?
I believe the Strait of Malacca between the Malay Peninsula and Sumatra serves as the oceanic transit point for 80% of China’s imported oil. On a globe it looks a bit like the Persian Gulf.
Toward the purpose of keeping that open at all cost to include the thwarting of US power projection in the form of an aircraft carrier group, China developed the Dongfeng-21D missile. Massive lethality and accuracy.
Seems that the global status quo inherent in the playout of the article above might have Sarajevo like ripple effects which are unimaginable today.
I’d appreciate comment. Thanks.
Your points are accurate; also developed laser guided missiles some years ago, and missiles to take down satellites. Given the pack above, large invasion of Iran? Would be suicide mission.
Some years ago, during our last administration, you may recall the Chinese shot down a satellite. In the US this was reported as, “They shot down an old Chinese satellite”. I have reason to believe this story was propaganda, and they actually shot down US satellite. Why was this covered up, because our last leader was too busy making sure inappropriate technology was passed to them, and making big business deals as well. That’s all on this subject.
Since I have been to Malaysia and to the Straits of Malacca many times, that choke point can be easily circumvented. Closing that passage will not have 10% of the effect on global oil prices as closing the straits of Hormuz, it would be more effective to close the Suez Canal as a secondary choke point to drive up oil prices..
Mike Harris
Puny Mewlings:
I have been to Malaysia and the Straits of Malacca many time. It is far easier to circumvent that choke point than the Straits of Hormuz. A better secondary target would be the Suez Canal, for strategic and financial reasons, which I doubt would be shut for obvious reasons, but with these lunatics in power, who knows.
Best Regards,
Mike Harris
Bomb Israel then, for playing games and double crossing the USA… Justifications are right in this article, if we are to believe the new turn, we are told the events have taken…
A university professor friend of mine (taught philosophy at Stockholm University in the 60′s, hereunder ‘formal logic’), used to tell his students: “Whenever some author gets you confused, backtrack and review in chronological order his or her writing and check his or her allegations against uncontroverted facts. If there is more than one contradiction, chances are that that person is a charlatan”. try the concept it’s 100% failsafe.
@ Ken
Bomb Israel then, for playing games and double crossing the USA… Justifications are right in this article, if we are to believe the new turn, we are told the events have taken…
Exactly! Ken.
The entire Israeli navy would also have to be sunk and Dimona destroyed in order to negate any possibility of apostiori nuclear retaliation.
Gordon,
Some things that don’t check out:
1- Hillary Clinton just announced a virtual embassy in Iran that is an obvious means for a brain drain/way to escalate the chance of civil unrest types scheme — not exactly the type of long term plan you’d implement during a nuclear war,
2- why not false flag Israel for a nuclear attack with their own existing albatrosses instead of invite attack by the most untrustworthy of all factions in the world?
I place emphasis on #2, #1 – we’ll give America a pass on this one since you didn’t exactly mention any Obama administration or black group conspiracy.
Interestingly, Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad are both purported to be Freemasons.
is israel going to attack iran within days or not?
i need to know if this is really going to happen
Jim nailed it. Pearl Harbor is another example. It was meticulously planned years in advance by both sides working hand in glove. The Bush administration fallback during the Iran-Contra scandal was to have an accidental limited nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union and restart the cold war. This was Oliver North’s baby who had many meetings with his Soviet counterparts.
Regarding the “Arab Spring”, this is the work of the intelligence agencies. Just like the phony ‘color’ revolutions. Whatever results is the intended result. Remember this a few years from now, when idiot network pundits speak of “unintended consequences”. What the Arab public wants doesn’t matter. Ghadaffi and Mubarek served a purpose, and when the agenda changes, then they toss out the leaders. Just like they did with Mossadegh and the Shah and later the Shah and Khomeini. Khomeini was a CIA asset and so is Ahmdeminjad.
In regards to the article, there are many other interests who would benefit from: hiking the oil price and conflict in the Persian Gulf.
Do I understand you to be saying that Japan and the US worked together in planning Pearl Harbour?
The information available appears to indicate otherwise. It is believable that the US plans were developed in accordance with the Japanese plans in order to make the attack easier. What benefit would there be to Japan to invite the US to attack it? Population control? Wanting to give territory without appearing to leave voluntarily? A defence pact with Germany that was signed only to get the US in the war against Germany?
Could you expand on this?
All of WWII was a put-up job. Consider these puzzlers: Dunkirk–effectively the Germans had won the war on the Western front; failure to seal off the Mediterranean at Gibraltar by the Germans and the meaningless battles in North Africa; the meaningless destruction of the German Sixth army at Stalingrad; failure to use the Ukraine against the Soviets [they were different culturally, religiously, etc from Russia and had experienced mass genocide from the Communists–they repeatedly asked for help from Germany, England, etc and were dealt with treacherously (just like Poland). They could have provided 2 million troops to Germany to fight Stalin; instead they provided Stalin with 2 million troops to fight the Germans. Etc, etc, etc.
Yes, there was vast collusion between the US and Japan. Admiral Kimmel and General Short were good guy dupes who were kept out of the loop and used as fall guys; the US Navy and Coast Guard were used to to police the North Pacific to keep from the accidental discovery of the Japanese fleet. Remember the assassination of Yamamoto which was also achieved with Japanese collusion.
The only reason Japan had aircraft carriers is because they were conspicuously invited to see the future of naval warfare by the US in 1921–remember Billy Mitchell. Also remember that the US and British had broken both Japanese and German encryption codes and knew what was coming throughout the war. Additionally, the English have many, many double agents scattered throughout the German high command as well as throughout the corridors of power of the US. Much, much more……
I blieve Iran and Israel are playing game to share the middle east power.Israel has final decision in regard to the American policy toward Iran. However, Israel also knows that the American relationship with Iran based on strategic cooperation between U.S admins. and Iranian government specially in Iraq.
What we called the agreement between U.S government and the Ayatollahs of Iran for the occupation of Iraq? American government conducting secret meetings all times with Iranian partners in the “green zone” Baghdad by U.S ambassador and Iranian officials to share their relations and cooperation between each other of their long occupation to Iraq. Iranians help Bush and Zionism in the invasion and occupying Iraq since 2003. Without the Iranians help, the U.S can’t stay in Iraq for more than 6 months. That is why Obama administration is always silent about the mass murder of protesters against the Mullahs by Iranian regime, secret police and Al Quads Guards .If you wondering why is Bush and Obama admins. kept their mainstream media shut up ? Because to maintained good relations with Mullah’s regime and they “Bush-Obama” know if this regime fail and ousted from the power by the Iranian people , then their occupation to Iraq will end fast. The pro-Iranian Shiites in Iraq are silent, quite and cooperative with the occupation because the Iranian Shiite mullah in Iraq ” Sistani” had “Fatwa” to prevent any attack against American forces in Iraq and they must join the American-Iranian political process to govern Iraqis. We all know who is Nori Al Maliki? He is pro -Iranian Shiite and the chief of Al Daawa party which Iran Khomeini created with the ” Islamic Revolution party led by Tabtabaii “Al Hakeem” in 1979 one year after Khomeini took the power in Tehran. Iranian Mullahs also created Al Mahdi militia by the lunatic Moqtada Al Sader after the occupation in 2003. All these militias are fractions from the terrorist Iranians movement in the Arab countries such as Huzb Allah in Lebanon, Bahrain, Yemen, and Syria” Assad”. The slogans propaganda against each other” Iranian and American governments it is just for local consumption and covering the full political cooperation in the occupation of Iraq .
Libya is an oil shoke point, now that the claimed that it is a sharia type of government and nato feld the country, the civil war is starting… the plan and agenda is still unfolding, Egypt vote in a month…. but this article is clearly interesting and expose the issue a new light shed
The supposed “anti-zionist” Palestinian publications and select Islamic organizations, particularly in Lebanon, have been among Israel’s most valuable assets.
so true… Israel control a small part of hams not like 30 yars ago when they started it but turkey took another part alongside with Qatar and Syria, Algerian zionit jews a part as well,… at the end of the day behind all these puppets there is Israel interest and cover up to be honest… only people in the ground involved know this stuff… good point on you !
The chief combat tactic employed by the Basiji was the human wave attack, whereby barely armed children and teenagers would move continuously toward the enemy in perfectly straight rows. It did not matter whether they fell to enemy fire or detonated the mines with their bodies: The important thing was that the Basiji continue to move forward over the torn and mutilated remains of their fallen comrades, going to their deaths in wave after wave. Once a path to the Iraqi forces had been opened up, Iranian commanders would send in their more valuable and skilled Revolutionary Guard troops.
This approach produced some undeniable successes. “They come toward our positions in huge hordes with their fists swinging,” one Iraqi officer complained in the summer of 1982. “You can shoot down the first wave and then the second. But at some point the corpses are piling up in front of you, and all you want to do is scream and throw away your weapon. Those are human beings, after all!” By the spring of 1983, some 450,000 Basiji had been sent to the front. After three months, those who survived deployment were sent back to their schools or workplaces.
The Extremists in both regimes want a limited War to consolidate/broaden their
Political/Ideological grip on power and whatever their long term agenda(s) are.
The only thing that one should give more consideration to before going to War,
is starting a planned lmited War, Perhaps there are some who have talked others into this scheme
and who at the same time are planning a non-limited War.
Perhaps the real religion that so many actualy really have besides their ‘public Religious Image/position’ in a given hierarchy has a need or a lust for a blood sacrifice on prodigious scales.
During this year’s Ashura Festival, school classes were taken on excursions to a “Martyrs’ Cemetery.” “They wear headbands painted with the name Hussein,” The New York Times reported, “and march beneath banners that read: ‘Remembering the Martyrs today is as important as becoming a Martyr’ and ‘The Nation for whom Martyrdom means happiness, will always be Victorious.’ ” Since 2004, the mobilization of Iranians for suicide brigades has intensified, with recruits being trained for foreign missions. Thus, a special military unit has been created bearing the name “Commando of Voluntary Martyrs. “According to its own statistics, this force has so far recruited some 52,000 Iranians to the suicidal cause. It aims to form a “martyrdom unit” in every Iranian province.
The Basiji’s cult of self-destruction would be chilling in any country. In the context of the Iranian nuclear program, however, its obsession with martyrdom amounts to a lit fuse. Nowadays, Basiji are sent not into the desert, but rather into the laboratory. Basij students are encouraged to enroll in technical and scientific disciplines. According to a spokesperson for the Revolutionary Guard, the aim is to use the “technical factor” in order to augment “national security.”
What exactly does that mean? Consider that, in December 2001, former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani explained that “the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything.” On the other hand, if Israel responded with its own nuclear weapons, it “will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality.” Rafsanjani thus spelled out a macabre cost-benefit analysis. It might not be possible to destroy Israel without suffering retaliation. But, for Islam, the level of damage Israel could inflict is bearable—only 100,000 or so additional martyrs for Islam.
Yep, and given plastic keys to represent the keys to the gates of Jannah.
Worked wonderfully too, bogged the Iraqis down in trench warfare. Oh wait, that was after the Iraqi mechanized advance stalled and fighting deteriorated into WW1 trench warare, complete with human wave assaults and chemical attacks.
Saddam Hussein on one side, and the Mullahs on the other…
Hmmm.
Never could trust those dodgy Twelver Mullahs.
“Netanyahu’s belief is that his domestic opposition, more powerful than ever…”
What are you talking about? Since the 2 prisoner exchange deals, Netanyahu and the Likud party are more popular than ever. The Likud is soaring in the poles with 37 mandates while other parties are lagging way behind.
No doubt there is something cooking out there… the command for drums of war has been giving by Israel and the US leadership is jumping to the tune… I wonder how many wars we have to brear and burden for Israel?
One fact that everyone must remember is: where did Ayatollah Khomenei go when he was exiled by the Shah of Iran in the 1970s? For those of you who are not acute students of history, that country was France. Have you ever wondered why all revolutionary figures throughout the annals of modern history, have always had a period of stay namely in two countries, France and Britain. Two countries which have acted as the historical breeding grounds for revolutionary (MASSONIC) operatives since the mid 18th century.
There is certainly a lot more than meets the eye in supposed “opposed ideological blocks”. The ties run deeper than anyone can often dare to immagine. It’s all an illusion in the name of power consolidation over the peoples of the Earth.
Who here has eyes to see and ears to hear? I’m now suspicious of Gordon Duff for not ACTUALLY putting two and two together. World politics is ruse. It was (thankfully) spelled out and published for us in the late 1800′s by one Albert Pike, specifically: The Three World Wars. That popular fella was a world leader in the well circulated freemason upper echelon. If we can’t bring ourselves to face the overwhelming evidence that masons (read satanists) are controlling the movements of the world’s governments via their excessive wealth (yes, the ‘banksters), to an agreed-upon end result (again, see ‘The Three World Wars’), then we will continue to be ‘shocked and awed’ by their SCRIPTED acts (as in play acting).
If we can’t face the obvious conclusion that there really IS a devil/satan/lucifer whom hates humanity and wants to “sit enthroned in the highest heaven”, believing himself to be as great/greater than The Creator of EVERYTHING, then we can’t take the necessary steps to stop this madness. How very politically incorrect of me to mention not only the premier fallen angel but The Creator!
Discount me as a bible-thumper, or conservative, or religious fanatic. It’s to your own (and us all) peril, and, I am NONE of the above.
My advise: PRAY
My post has been removed – let me re post it again:
The magical mystery tour.. Who is the walrus?
WHAT A PIECE OF PROPAGANDA,HE OFFERS NO PROOF FOR HIS CLAIMS,JUST RIDICULLOUS !!!
IS GORDON DUFF FROM VETERANS TODAY SNIFFING GLUE?IS HE OFF HIS MEDS? http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/27/breaking-iran-and-israel-caught-partnering-in-attack-ploy/
[EDIORS NOTE: IS GORDON DUFF FROM VETERANS TODAY SNIFFING GLUE?IS HE OFF HIS MEDS?SEEMS SO,HE POSTED TODAY AN ARTICLE ON HIS SITE CLAIMING ISRAEL AND IRAN ARE WORKING TOGETHER,BUT SHOWS ZERO PROOF FOR HIS CLAIMS ..IN FACT THIS IS THE BULK OF HIS CLAIMS ‘
” Secret contacts between Prime Minister Ahmadinejad, Ayatollah Khameni and counterparts in Israel, Russia and Turkey have been uncovered outlining a plan to stage an attack on Iran by Israel with full permission of the key groups within the leadership of the Iranian government and the clerics who oversee them. Members of opposition groups who have learned of this plan are livid. ” http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/27/breaking-iran-and-israel-caught-partnering-in-attack-ploy/comment-page-1/#comment-405759
[ ED,NOTE: LMAOOO CANT STOP LAUGHING OVER HERE…SERIOUSLY..THE IRANIAN OPPOSITION IN IRAN MAKES THESE CLAIMS,AND THE DULLARD WHO PROBABLY DIGESTED AGENT ORANGE IN VIETNAM ,MORE THEN HE SHOULD HAVR ,STARTS PARROTING THEM,AS IF THIS IS FACT,OR A FOREGONE CONCLUSION,TO BE SWALLOWED WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONING OF SOURCE LOL I ALSO HAVE IRANIAN OPPOSITION SOURCES FROM FLOWERPOT SOCIETY,TO GREEN MOVEMENT,AND EVEN SOME WHO CLAIM THE CAPABILITY TO FLOAT THRU MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS,WHO CLAIM AHMEDINEJAD,SLAUGHTERS GOATS AND CHICKENS IN VOODOO SESSIONS IN ORDER TO KEEP HIMSELF IN POWER..LMAOO GORDON DUFF,WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU CHECKED INTO V.A. HOSPITAL? YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY SEEK HELP!!! READERSHIP MUST BE DECLINING OVER AT DUFF’S SITE!!! LOL ILL DIG AND DEBUNK THIS AFTER I UPDATE BLOG ,STAY TUNED…
YOU REALLY SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOR ONE WITH THIS ONE,AND I USED TO RESPECT YOU,BUT AS AN EXPERT IN IRANIAN AFFAIRS,NOT TO EMNTION ARABIC/FARSI SPEAKER,I MUST SAY,YOU ARE WAY OFF MARK,AND AGAIN LED BY IRANIAN OPPOSITION PROPAGANDA BROTHER!
I’m amazed at what I’ve read! Either Duff, Dean and Harris have some “accurate” information – OR they are very gullible fellows, fed disinformation to confuse them – and us. We can only wait and see.
Yes, amazing! Ahmadinijad and Netanyahu (and AC-DC Obama too of course) “BEDMATE PALS” planning to instantly slaughter MANY millions of innocents in Iran (and tens of millions more by nuclear fallout around the middle east, Israel and elsewhere – JUST to raise the price of gas at our pumps! (Will we next read that “secret sources” reveal Saddam, Israel and Bush planned the destruction of Iraq to REDUCE the amount of oil, raise prices? And the real, conniving Saddam, after plastic surgery, is living a life of luxury in Switzerland? Might that tale be a next VT “revelation?”)
We are led to believe by Duff, Dean and Harris, that all these conspiring “leaders” are oblivious this attack will trigger back and forth missile (including nuclear) and other retaliating attacks (including terrorism) across the involved world – disrupting ALL normal life, jobs, businesses, trade, transportation, etc. The PRICE OF GAS at our pumps would be a minor element to the global catastrope resulting!
DISINFO agents have successfully added “muddled” information about the 911 attacks, what brought down the WTC buildings and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc. DISINFO confuses people so they have difficulty discerning ACTUALITIES from FALSITIES. I HOPE we have not read such DISINFORMATION in this amazing article from Duff, Dean and Harris (which I’m sure they each sincerely BELIEVE is True). I have doubts.
Hello Dick,
Yes, that is always a risk, that we are being fed BS, but I verified everything with long time trusted contacts before publishing, but it is always a risk that we have been misled. The risk is to great not to publish in the likely event we are correct.
Thank you for understanding the predicament we face by publishing this story.
Mike Harris
You Arabs/Muslims, the twisted ones! lol!
You can’t enjoy peaceful life! lol
You perverted masochists! lol
Whatever you buid, you want to be demolished! lol
You all want to be martyred! lol
‘Democracies’ can help you to achieve this goal! lol
If the Arabs/Muslims pay well, they will be bombed back to the stone age, where they (supposedly) want to belong. lol
This is the message of this column
The text is just another piece of propaganda with dominant message out of zionists’ textbook: Muslims (supposedly) want to be bombed and die in large numbers. They (supposedly) even plot to be destroyed.
POOR JOURNALISM
So Iran wants Israel to attack it? I find that difficult to believe.
Derek,
Yes, it is hard to believe, but when you look at what there is to lose by those in power, it reflects on their opinions of themselves versus those they govern.
Mike Harris
Lost my respect for G D, that is an insult to every Iranians. It is true that there are unrest and resentments among some Urban dwellers in north of Tehran towards Islamic rules but Iran has 80 million population and when it comes to polices of bullying regimes in the region their aim of destruction followed d by looting and plundering is exposed to all Iranian and we are all united behind Ahmadinejad
theo
You live in Winter Park, Florida, not Tehran.
Busted
Lol. He could be on vacation, study or using a false vpn program.
No bust there sir , your point and no room for infantile behavior, .i am Iranian, right? Rest is irrelevant no matter where i post or travel.
Derek,
No one said the Iranians want to be attacked by Israel,
Mullahs plan for a New Iranian Century with the Mullahs in Power?
P(m)NAC
Okay, let’s follow this.
- Syria and Iran have a defence agreement (pact?) in which one is supposed to defend the other if attacked.
- Russia has openly supplied Syria with anti – ship cruise missiles.
- Russia reportedly has supplied Syria with later version missiles for land targets.
- A missile attack from Syria would hit Israel in less than 3 minutes from launch, and about 2 minutes if the missiles are the most up to date.
- Russia has a naval base in Syria.
- Who knows what China and Russia have agreed to on defence?
An attack on Iran would bring on an Israeli attack on Syria. If Israel/the US get “sloppy” in retaliation by hitting Russian targets, bend over and kiss your arse good-bye.
The real reason for regime change in Syria is the Russian missiles pointed at Syria. Regime change before any attack on Iran.
Ah WTF, nuke the “shitty little country”.
oops I meant : An attack on Iran would bring on a Syrian attack on Israel. and
The real reason for regime change in Syria is the Russian missiles pointed at Israel
Have been to Iran and seen the effect of sanctions on ordinary Iranians for past 32 years ? they have leaned to live with it .Do you really think all of a sudden Iran would yield to pressure and turn 180 to compromise motto of their revolution then you do not know Iran and Ahmadinejad .
your opinion noted
proof contradicts opinion
Gordon, I’m a little confused….nothing new about that, but this Breaking News Story, is it going to happen before, during, or after your last Breaking News Story, remember a week or 2 ago, when Israel was taking the Sinai? Could you just clarify the timeline a little, and also, regarding all these fascinating Breaking stories of yours, couldn’t you arrange follow-up report on them, so the slow among your readers can “keep up” ? Thanks.
Cute
What a slick move, either side could go for real at the last moment, to hopefully gain one hell of an edge.
I’m believing they are all in bed with one other plotting our destuction,happening all over the world as we speak.Going right along with the Agenda 21 plan,and those that don’t play well they pay.Something big is going on,hard to know just how depraved the minds of those ruling the world can be.Most of this we know is going on but when present in this way http://youtu.be/g7qwn1iBc2k , the big picture is’nt looking to bright for any of us! Tricks and their treats.
The truth is: If a nuclear war starts in the Middle East, involving Iran, the only gas available will be für the Military. Gas for civilian use would be rationalized to a trickle in the USA and, given only to DHS-TSA-AIPAC-ADL members and of course, to the executives of Wailing Wall Street…
Whoever is chicken feeding VT editors the news of far fetched motives and an improbable scenario of a “collaboration between Iran and Israel to hike oil prices and achieve internal socio-economic stability” is promoting war against IRAN, counting on that most people will swallow the lie, because they has not the slightest clue of:
1) how the power structure in Iran is configured and how transcendental decisions about “National Security issues and the Image of Iran in the Muslim World” are made,
2) how the Iranians think and, which elements they take into account when planning their foreign policies toward friends and foes,
3) in which sense the carpet bombing-destruction of Libya’s infrastructure-stealing of its assets deposited and/or invested in western countries have played IN FAVOR of COHESION and UNITY of the Iranian people.
The hasbara won’t work as an argument to create adverse feelings within Iran or outside it, to advance the agenda of “Regime Change”, taking advantage of the apathy in the Arab world-momentum created by the USA-NATO adventure in Libya-’fait accompli’ of its appropriation via the CTN as proxy for USA-GB-France and the Zion Talmudic Mafia Dons, who call the shots at the top of the power pyramid.
This is another PNAC-like fancy wishful thinking, totally divorced from the real facts about what political scientists-Iranologists-strategists and historians know about Iran-Israel, oil-Middle East-economy and geopolitics.
Bomb Iran and the economy in the EU will come to a halt, go down the drain, with as a consequence, social unrest and Greece like scenes in every major city of GB-France and likely of Germany too.
ken,
one of the silliest things you have written recently
i had hoped you were becoming better grounded
yes..some of this is correct then you go to your “carpet bombing” spiel
ouch…nutty
are you part of the gaddafi lovers and their tin foil hats?
g
Personal attacks are the first line of attack when valid arguments are not at hand.
No Gordon, nobody is silly here except the Zio shills and, Gaddafi is not the issue. The issue is the double discourse-hypocrite attitudes and ‘irrationale’ of the decision makers.
What are we fighting for, the respect of international law or salvagism, lawlessness, the right to sodomize who ever we don’t like, or Human Rights and due process, even for those we hate?
“Carpet Bombing Libya?” (or if you prefer the pounding of its civilians into submission and destruction of its infrastructure with tanks, howitzers, mortar shells, anti-aircraft guns and NATO bombs), that’s the way it is perceived by 100% of the scholars, who wrote about the issue. The pictures, we have seen of Sirte, Beni Walid, Tripoli, Sabha are a living documentation of it, we are obliged, I am afraid, to admit that they do exist, for the sake of credibility.
I bet with you that the standard of living in Libya and the human developments indicators in that country will plunge in the decades to come. More problems for the EU, with illegal immigration and anti-Muslims sentiment, which will emerge-play handsomely in the hands of the Rogue State of Israel and the far right politicians that support it, specially in France and GB.
I bet with you too that Sarkozy has already OUTSMARTED Obama and the DGSE the CIA, when it comes to who is going to be Alfa dog in Libya, have the NTC ear, oil, rebuilding and procurement contracts. He is not doing it alone though, he has partners: Netanyahu, Ehud Barak, the Rogue State of Israel.
The Brits are more aware of that, than any of the Americans and they know that, when time comes, a business partnership with Merkel’s Germany can serve as sauf conduit to cover up for the scheme-get those contracts for… Israel’s companies. Just ask Bernard-Henri Lévy or Daphne Guinness about the set up has been from day ONE. By the way, Merkel is managed directly from Tel Aviv, via members of her govt, who play it cool, but work for Israel.
What happened to Libya and the way it happened has created a ‘precedence’ that permits NATO-USA, RUSIA or CHINA for that matter, to Carpet Bomb or “Strategically Terror Bomb the civilian population”, so as terrified, it stays put and let any GANG-PACK, at will with the help of locals groomed for the task (money and other incentives or even just causes), help murder its co-citizens and decapitates-sodomize its heads of states without any form of due process.
That’s my fundamental grounding. Why not attack Kim Jong-il or Netanyahu and get both of them out of the way then?
history has proven you utterly wrong
accept it and move on
Iran and Israel have collaborated many times to secure domestic points within their respective countries. And the US has used both Iran and Israel for many dirty deals. So it wouldn’t shock me to find that some of this is being considered.
The wildcard is all this is the whether the elites are planning on letting this escalate to start the big kill-off.
The part everyone keeps missing, is that which binds them (apostate Christianity, Talmudic Judaeism & Islam) is MASONRY!!! It is the use of the craft (witchcraft ie:Cabalism/Kabbulahism), the utilization of the dialectic (origin of use was satan in the Garden) combined w/ sheer greed & envy that has permitted satan to carry out the diabolical agenda through his children. It’s spiritual warfare folks!
BTW: Iran obtained at least 3-former USSR nuke bombs in 1993. Not news! They have simply been seeking to back-engineer same since. Otherwise Persia would already be a glass parking lot, along w/ a host of nearby & not so nearby locales. So, to suggest that certain masonic factions from within Persia would not (by use of the dialectic!) conspire w/ certain Judean’s possessing a strong Russian accent is not at all out of the realm of factual reality. Just as the money utilized for said transfer came from certain masonic factions from within apostate Christiany. The latter you’d know as “Iran/Contra”!
W/ all that said, don’t be fooled into believing they are all in cahoots. Each has there own agenda & demented/delussional reasoning & ultimately oppossed to one another in any manner of ways. The point is, from whom do they (the Biblical Beast, ie:return of the Lil Horn in 1948 & the False Prophet, ie”Lamb w/ 2-horns” representing:Christianity & Islam) each obtain there power? Satan via there collective adherence to the cult religion of masonry. It’s that simple folks. Therein is your, mine & everyones real enemy. Thus, it’s all spiritual warfare at it’s root, EXACTLY as prophecied in both the old & new testament. Turn to Jesus the Christ as if your life & soul counted on it-because it does. To do otherwise is assuredly death & destruction & we WILL find out in the End whom had it right as oppossed to those whom got it all wrong. Time is short.
Albatross – Water water, everywhere, and not a drop to drink…
Gordon, credible Iranian officials that I know tell me they think you’ve been sold a bad fairy tale as well as a lot of counter-narrative web publishers this week. I think so, too. I would be happy to serve as a “untrustworthy” source checker for you with regards to the Iranian world. I would welcome your scrutiny against my opinion in that regard as well, but it is always better to hear the totality of arguments. You can vet me, just let me know if you’re interested.
When you come up with references in Soviet and Russian intelligence, the government of the Ukraine and the Revolutionary Guard of Iran plus other unnamed sources I will, more or less, predict that your ideas come from your favorite websites.
As far as what you are saying about Iran….you must be kidding.
Do this, give me something of substance on Iran to prove what you know.
You failed miserably this time.
Try again….there is much to tell…..but none of it seems to come from you or your “credible sources.”
If you have friends who are extremely senior in the Iranian military….better if retired….you can ask about me.
Gordon,
I will contact you with any information like that rather than post it here. Like I said, I’m not being defensive here towards your scrutiny or skepticism — actually, I welcome it. I’m simply offering some support that I will explain further privately. I wouldn’t be able to provide you a single source outside of Iran (particularly in Russia or Ukraine). But, also, I think you are defending apples and I was critiquing oranges, a possible misdirection due to my Albatross quote. I didn’t really doubt your Ukranian nuke connection – that was plausible to me, actually. Your albatross analogy also made it more convincing – it’s something in line with the MO/realm of possibilities.
And as far as the collusion goes by and between Israel and Iran, this scenario has played itself out before with the abdication of the Shah, where one country was picked to bring about a price for the oil markets. Rafsanjani (keep your eyes on him) et. al. know this. Khomeini was flown in on an Air France plane with a BBC correspondent while Reza Pahlavi complained no media outlet would even return his calls. Unlike Gaddafi and Saddam, Reza’s security apparatus didn’t involve him in a lot of the wrongdoing against the people or mischaracterized it. Reza abdicated willingly and even was the first to dub the series of protests a “revolution”, a strategic error in the cutthroat game of State governance/world domination. But the similarities are all there. His model was one to repeat, and they did – just recently. Khomeini’s rise is also clouded in mystery, his escape to Iraq provided for by a “brutal Shah dictator” who couldn’t come to kill a sworn mortal enemy. A man that came from Kashmir, spoke Farsi like an uneducated person… and was helped in by Western intelligence (and, of course, Mossad). My sources were in Tehran during the revolution right next to the Shah’s compound. Their estate was one of the first seized. They saw agent provocateurs (foreign) trying to emulate shakily the Farsi on their paper that read, “Marg bar Shah”, on to the brick walls with chalk. They constantly saw movements in and out of the compound of Israeli and American officials/intelligence. The Shah didn’t keep the CIA’s extensive operations in his own country a secret either. He just wasn’t given a clear picture himself.
Also, we have the Israeli arms sales to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. Clearly, these States engage in Kissingerian realpolitik at times. Trita Parsi scratched the surface in his book. Someone else commented about backchannel trading by and between Israel and Iran here. Those aren’t official trade channels, but literally merchants committing underground arms length transactions. The idea that Iran would risk the image problem that would result from someone uncovering that they still sell pistachios to Israel by official channels is a little absurd. If anything, Iran’s government has proven itself to be an expert and employing benefit-risk analyses as a methodology for diplomacy or otherwise.
I don’t doubt your sources, I doubt the information that an Iranian faction is colluding with Israel to invite a nuclear strike. Because with articles like yours, there is no need for an actual strike. Shaoul Mofaz, the former transportation minister of Israel, only had to wax poetic about Israel striking Iran on Israeli news sites in ~2006 to send up oil prices $11 in one day. In addition, there are various other ways to bring about a price than war. For instance, having someone slip you bad information so that you publish it. It may have been that they overestimated your impact on US Media, thinking that this story would run everywhere like wild fire. They may have also been sending out a litmus test to see how the US media works — do they take a wild idea and run it blindly as with Holder and the Assassination Plot of the Century (so funny) or is it far more controlled as they suspect? Can they plant stories also, in other words? Seems so, but not in the major stratosphere of what would affect American popular opinion.
One more thing: in the instance of a war, Iran would have trouble producing and distributing its oil, no? Cost-benefit analysis doesn’t seem to work here. Anyway, I’ll contact you.
@PersianAdvocate, I totally agree with your line of thinking, specially: “If anything, Iran’s government has proven itself to be an expert and employing benefit-risk analyses as a methodology for diplomacy or otherwise”.
For westerners, to understand nowadays Iran, they have to start there and, stop thinking about themselves as master strategists with superior brains, because the other part speak farsi and wears clothes distinct to what they associate with modernity…
“I don’t doubt your sources, I doubt the information that an Iranian faction is colluding with Israel to invite a nuclear strike.”
Persian. Not a nuclear strike..but one to attack a place so all can claim Iran’s nuclear capability is not off the table, and the other reasons mentioned. And this by no means would have been voted on by the Parliament or would be widely known, of course.
And the framing for it is perfect. There are tremendous stresses going on now with tremendous upheavals that could be triggered. A lot of these leaders are walking on egg shells. What historically has been done to solve such difficulties? The big diversion. This is not a science fiction plot we are suggesting here.
We covered with Lee Wanta’s interview how the Reagan era Libyan attack was a complete theatrical performance to groom Gaddafi for some future work. We aren’t just dropping this on you out of the blue.
The Iran attack sourcing was about as hard as you can get. No way to just sit on it after that.
Noms de guerre
It’s Halloween, too, so I’m wearing various costumes.
I wanted to drop one more note, Gordon. The MEK’s MO is to create fictitious IRG personnel, ex or real. They even have intel to be able to impersonate someone within those ranks to non-Iranians. Indeed, they named someone at the IRG that was proven to be a MEK official for that heinous assassination plot. There are a few Iranians who do not exhibit the typical shill behavior – they get to the truth (not short of it), don’t misdirect, admit when they’re wrong, do not toe any agenda lines, etc. In this vein, I would suggest speaking to http://khodabandeh.org/biography.htm or http://chems.usc.edu/faculty_staff/sahimi.htm They have ins. Maybe better if this comment doesn’t get approved and you just see it.
Good luck. Please tell me when to tell my few remaining family to get out of dodge.
~PA
Iran used to be an American ally. Not sure who your folks are, looks like academics. Not sure of your point, but I am sure of mine. When Iran negotiates for weapons or other issues, it gets back to me rather quickly.
Your folks, though useful, from a military and security standpoint are well down the feeding chain.
However, their points are respected, their ability to comment on defense policy or geopolitics endlessly beyond their capacity is nil.
Something fun for you. Dig up photos of the Shah when he left Panama.
Look at who is with him.
G –
Who is with him? I am wondering if I have already noticed. The individuals I referenced will help you with personnel information within the ranks of the IRG. For instance, how would you be able to tell if Arash Ali Hossein Bakhtiari is a Lt. Col. of the Ansar-ol Mahdi posse or the guy who sold me a carpet at the rug store on 57th and Madison? I do not know them personally, and they aren’t the individual(s) I alluded to earlier, but they aren’t completely out of the loop as you say. Anyway, I am only interested in supporting any efforts that will reduce human suffering and the loss of death. Cheers.
Guessing it’s Kissinger in a surgeon’s mask feeding morphine into his tube to do him in. Pahlavi’s naivety was endless – to go into Henry’s arms for gallstones and to come out with cancer. One wishes he was actually as ruthless as they claim – Iran would have been a powerhouse of truth in an otherwise clouded world of corpozion greed.
the thesis presented does have some good points. I can only call it a thesis cause there is not evidence to back up with sources. An attack on Iran would only ebenfit Iran. Israel would look really bad if they attacked Iran. It would only help Israel internally not externally.
creating an artifical shortage of oil will also plung the US economy deeper inton the hole. It was boost the petro dollar but only temporary. The dollar is still doomed to fail.
the best thing that could happen is oil goes back down in price. Let the market correct itself. this will strengthen the dollar and help the economy world wide.
“…Israel is probably the gopher as usual…On the other hand, maybe there’s secret plan to setup Israel, for massive retaliation after the attack. I have absolutely no doubt the pack above is waiting for the perfect opportunity.
And also have absolutely do doubt they know where every single Warhead is located in this tiny country…” – Quote from OS
Israel is no gopher in the “region”…it is a malignant tumour that has aggressively spread it deadly roots in the entire Middle East and the rest of the Muslim world.
It and its Global Lobby is responsible for virtually all of the wars, conflicts and financial disasters around the world. Here you are, being an apologist for this vile, alien settler colony of Khazars from Europe who were awarded by the Occident, this Muslim, Arab and Asian land (Palestine) in return for some wrongs, done by some European Christians to some European Jews, in Europe. This is the height of perverseness, deceit and injustice!
And Israel is not “small”. It is the only country of the world with no defined borders, which grow each day with its perpetual theft of what remains of the old Palestine / Occupied Territories, as well as it occupation of Syria’s Golan Heights. This savage, illegitimate entity covets swathes of the Middle East, particularly from the Nile to the Euphrates in its pipe dreams of ‘Eretz Israel’ (Greater Israel). It will not be satiated until this entirely goyim region is enslaved to Khazars..
And no other country can “secretly set up Israel” for it is this Israel that is responsible “setting up” other nations, groups and individuals and it is largely responsible for almost all secret plots and false flags around the world.
The Hasabara defence and apologia for it is rather revolting, regurgitating the tired Zionist line that Israel is a purported “democratic bastion of the West” in a sea of mad, Muslim Asiatics, “small”, “vulnerable”, a land “promised by “God” “to the “special” alien species that occupy it presently. Self-serving drivel.
If any goyim country colludes with Israel, it will be ruined. If Iran really is working with Israel over this nuclear issue as posited, Iran is shooting itself in the foot. Israel and its Global Lobby always burn everyone after using them (Just look at the quarter Jewish Gaddafi as well as Mubarak).
Flotsam,
You don’t know this pack? I worked in Asia and in Beijing for many years…..you must be joking.
Interesting but hard to see how it would be supposed to work. The ostensible point of an Israeli attack would be to knock out Iran’s nuclear capacity, which means credibly attacking certain known fixed targets and destroying them, which in the case of say Bushehr would irradiate a large area. Anything less would be window dressing. And Iran would then have to credibly respond, with concomitant escalation entailed. So there would have to be a lot of damage indeed, and that is assuming either side didn’t ‘overstep the mark’ and go all out. The costs of such a scenario to Iran especially would seem to be too great to merit serious consideration (on their part), they would either have to take too much damage or respond so strongly that it gets out of control (or both). It would only make sense if either side thought they could use it to wipe the other out, ie a trap, but would either be that dumb to fall into it? Seems unlikely – both have survived well enough til now.
you’re just figuring this out now???
the Iranian Revolution that toppled the Shah wasn’t just a bunch of University students….it had the role of the clergy AND The military.
if you look real deep, you’ll find most of Iran’s ruling elites are nothing more than anti-persian and aryan theocrats. many of them, have registered addresses in Knightsbridge (Rothschild’s London Domain). Hell, even their President was a born a jew, who now imprisons bloggers for saying so. There are thousands of Jews living quite alright in Iran, with no fear of being ‘targeted’ by the government.
Who supported Iran, while the United States supported Iraq in the 1980′s??? Who Supported Libya and who supported the NTC??? People need to wake up and realize that the government of Israel is just as corrupt as the government in the United States, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, Iran and everywhere else. Russia was all talk when Libya was being bombed. Of course, those good boys said nothing when Quack Daffy finally got what was coming to him. Now, if only that would come to the pricks who are all working for the clampdown, under the guise of peace and prosperity.
Fuck the UN. It’s a crock of shit. Everytime some GodDamned American Politician talks about cutting off its’ funding, they quickly realize they’re shooting themselves in the foot if they do so. The game would be up.
Israel always needs an enemy. They created Hamas and Hizbollah in the early 1980′s to counter the PLO’s strength.
If anything, nevermind bombing Tehran….start sending bombs into KSA and get rid of the jihadis destined for Kosovo…where the CIA have their training camps. Of course, that won’t happen…War is the Machine where the first casualty is always, the truth.
believe me, those soparfi houses in Luxembourg tell a more accurate story of how the money gets transferred between the middle east and wall street. and it costs a pretty penny to do business there. it’s not a place for the little guy.
Let’s see,
China supplies weapon systems to Iran, and Iran supplies weapon systems to Middle Eastern countries were US Soldiers are located.
YOU FORGET ANOTHER SUPPLIER, the one WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ALL ABOVE and wanted to supply arms to China. Yes, the last US leader (Oil Man) knew all and more. I believe it had to do with those big Chinese oil deals in Iraq.
In about 2003, small company is being investigated for illegally shipping sensitive components to China…..this makes sense because of the above supply chain.
However, the systems being developed can be modified and used as missile guidance systems, they even passed scientific documents as well. Now, I knew all the above, and this Ranger tried to stop this activity to protect our soldiers in the Middle East (family tradition). NATIONAL SECURITY RISK
Here’s where it gets worse, a Federal Agency and US Commerce Department had knowledge this small company was partnered with largest Chinese Weapons Developer, called “502”. The agency knew this company was Weapons Company, and they were seeking more information.
The investigation and evidence was overwhelming, so it went to the top leader, your former president. Who “stopped” the investigation…..? Knowing the all the above, yes, sensitive components, inertial scientific documents and systems, and partnership with largest Chinese Weapons Company. Your last leader knew all.
Now the small company would hire someone from this leaders family, and later the leaders family company (stock) (the C. Group) would partner with the corporation whose two retired executives owned the small company, to make arms deal with China through the “Company X”.
Months later “Company X” would be sold to British Arms Company. To cover the trail of International Crime…and the small company would be sold to European Company to move from US. They were trying to clean the mess.
You forgot about our last leader’s job, and this was “Supplying China”, who supplied “Iran”, who supplied other countries in the “Middle East” where are troops were located.
But don’t worry, it’s only business, “Oil Business”. I wonder what our soldiers returning from the Middle East will do, when they discover the above.
I guess when this leader is forced into court; it will all the criminal activities will be exposed.
Don’t worry Gordon, they won’t shoot at you….only me. I am fairly good at dodging bullets.
Where the Hell is Jim Fetzer? Research this….. and (JC), you can take a look.
I waiting to testify against George B. in court…..so let’s keep things moving. Soon.