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Left-wing 9/11 Gatekeepers: From Noam Chomsky to Rob Kall?


by Jim Fetzer and Dean Hartwell

 

“P.S. We regret to inform you that we do not accept any more 9/11 stories.”–OpEdNews Administrator

 

Barbara Olson

Dean Hartwell, J.D., who is well-known to readers of Veterans Today–most recently for his fine article, “The 9/11 Passenger Paradox:  What happened to Flight 93?”–submitted a very straightforward piece to OpEdNews, which is edited by Rob Kall.  OpEdNews, along with The Huffington Post and The Daily Kos, counts as one of the relatively few forums that publish “progressive” or “left-wing” articles and opinion pieces, which has taken a heavy hit with the sale of The Huffington Post to aol.   I have dealt with Rob Kall in the past, since, before I became a columnist for Veterans Today, I had already published more than 40 articles on OpEdNews, including these on 9/11:

Tuesday, April 22, 2008
9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda
(36 comments) The anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement should be more closely linked, since exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars. Here is a summation of his remarks by the Founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, presented during a “Freedom Rally” on 15 April 2008 in Washington, D.C., to honor Ron Paul. When it comes to 9/11, however, Ron Paul himself doesn’t have a clue.

Tuesday, July 29, 2008
New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11
(6 comments) The strongest proofs of video fakery on 9/11 appear to be that United 175 is traveling at an impossible speed for its altitude; that the entry into the South Tower with no debris is physically impossible; that this occurs in uniform motion in violation of Newton’s laws; that the Naudet brothers’ video of AA 11 reveals “cut outs” being created by secondary explosions and that the Evan Fairbank’s video displays similar problems.

Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Is 9/11 Research “Anti-Semitic”?
(22 comments) Attacks upon 9/11 research have reached an extreme point where FOX host Glenn Beck has gone so far as to claim the 9/11 truth movement is a threat to the national security of the US. Comparisons with Holocaust deniers are rampant. Yet there is no basis for that analogy and the only “threat” to national security is the one posed by exposing 9/11 as having been “an inside job”, for which there is extensive and powerful proof.

Monday, September 7, 2009
More 9/11 Rubbish: This time from National Geographic, no less
(5 comments) The National Geographic Channel’s recent, “9/11: Science and Conspiracy”, is a blatant attempt to suppress and distort objective data that contradicts the official account. Its major arguments—related to the melting of steel, the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers, the use of thermite to bring them down, and the Boeing 757 hit at the Pentagon—were based upon fallacies I spent 35 years teaching students to avoid.

Friday, January 22, 2010
Birds of a Feather: Subverting the Constitution at Harvard Law
(1 comments) Cass Sunstein and Adrian Vermuele of the Harvard School of Law advocate restrictions on the First Amendment to preclude discussion of conspiracies. They have recommended that JFK assassination researchers and 9/11 truth groups should be infiltrated by government agents to subvert them and provoke them into violations of the law for which they might be arrested. They are opposing conspiracy theories by advocating a conspiracy.

Dean’s Letter of Rejection

It therefore came as somewhat of a surprise when Dean Hartwell informed me that an article of his about 9/11, “Where is the Proof of 9/11 Passengers?”, had been rejected and that, decidedly more surprisingly, he had been informed that OpEdNews was no longer accepting stories about 9/11.  We have all receive letters of rejection before, but the basis for this one did not appear to have to do with the stated reason, “This article does not report or discuss anything that we consider new or that presents a different perspective”, which was clearly not the case. Discussions of this issue, like the absence of proof any of those “hijackers” were aboard any of those planes and the presence of proof that all of those “phone calls” were faked, including from Barbara Olson to her husband, Ted, then Solicitor General of the United States, have been few and far between, where some of them have even been published by OpEdNews. But the real reason for its rejection appears to have been given in the postscript, namely, that OpEdNews is no longer publishing stories about 9/11:

 

Dean’s 9/11 articles at OpEdNews

Indeed, Dean Hartwell, it turns out, has published even more articles with OpEdNews than have I–some 65 at last count–including at least five about 9/11, Flight 93 and the reports about its having landed in Cleveland, which is a fascinating dimension of 9/11 research, but the very clear and succinct fashion in which Dean, who has a background in the law, lays out the case for what it would take to refute the prima facie case that the passengers who were alleged to have died on 9/11 appear to be fabrications is most certainly not something that OpEdNews has ever addressed, which, considering the importance of 9/11 as the pivotal event of the 21st Century, it surely ought to have published in the interests of truth and of the American people.   His previous articles with OpEdNews thus included the following:

Saturday, September 4, 2010
9/11 Passengers Landed in Cleveland
(5 comments) I continue to research passengers seen in Cleveland on 9/11/01 who have never been officially accounted for. Are they a missing link to finding the truth about that day? I think so and I will continue to write more on this subject.

Sunday, August 1, 2010
Road to 9/11 Truth Goes through Cleveland
(5 comments) This is an executive summary of a longer essay which contends that planes and passengers wound up in Cleveland on 9/11. There were no hijackers but instead a big lie by the plotters, who forgot to hide from public view the “smoking gun” of the crime: 200 passengers who were seen that day but never again.

Sunday, June 20, 2010
Can the 9/11 Truth Community Handle the Truth?
(7 comments) This article challenges those who seek the truth about 9/11 to quit the name calling and work together to wake the public about what really happened. Like a baseball team, different people in the community have different skills they should use to help. (Bickering isn’t one of them!)

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
(3 comments) The man who shot at two guards at the Pentagon recently was a reported by the media as a 9/11 Truther, a sufferer of bipolar disorder and a marijuana user. But in terms of real news, the media struck out. Here is why.

 

Thursday, February 18, 2010
Let the People Decide the Truth about 9/11
(14 comments) If there is any chance the government is involved in a crime, there is no reason to allow it to investigate it. The solution to getting the truth about 9/11 and other government-assisted conspiracies is let the experts present their case to the public and let us vote.

 

Indeed, the last of these even appears on his author’s page with a symbol with which OpEdNews should agree:

 

Thursday, February 18, 2010
Let the People Decide the Truth about 9/11
(14 comments) If there is any chance the government is involved in a crime, there is no reason to allow it to investigate it. The solution to getting the truth about 9/11 and other government-assisted conspiracies is let the experts present their case to the public and let us vote.

 

The case of Noam Chomsky

 

Rob Kall, who is the is executive editor, publisher and site architect of OpEdNews.com, Host of the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show (WNJC 1360 AM), President of Futurehealth, Inc, and who also publishes regularly on the Huffingtonpost.com, according to his own OpEdNews contributor’s page, is hardly the most prominent or the best known public figure to assume the role of a left-wing 9/11 gatekeeper.  Amy Goodman, for example, hosted a single debate about 9/11 and then, no doubt considering her civic duty to have been fulfilled, let it go.  Interestingly, Geraldo Rivera has been on both sides of 9/11, initially harshly rejecting those pursuing 9/11 truth, subsequently offering an apology and acknowledging that there are reasons to regard what we have been told with suspicion–an issue to which he has not since returned.  But no one has been in the category of Noam Chomsky, long lionized as the leading left-wing public intellectual in the world today.  And there are reasons to doubt that is his true persona:

 

 

What I especially like about this brief, 7-minute interview, is that when I explain what Chomsky has said about the assassination of JFK and about 9/11, the video shifts to showing Chomsky making exactly the remarks that I have attributed to him.  For those who have any doubts about his role as a gate-keeper, notice that Chomsky dismisses any conspiracy in the assassination on the grounds that, even if there had been one, it was of no account, because it did not involved an major policy questions, as though JFK’s directive to pull our advisors out of Vietnam, steps he was taking to reform or abolish the FED, his decisions not to invade Cuba and to sign an above-ground test ban treaty with the Soviet Union, his remarks about “shattering the CIA into a thousand pieces”, and the Attorney General’s aggressive crack-down on organized crime–the first time in our history– were not major policy issues!

 

 

In the longer interview with Paula Gloria on “Down the Rabbit Hole”, which runs less than 30 minutes, I take the opportunity to explain in addition why even Chomsky’s legendary linguistic theory, which maintains that humans have an innate, inborn syntax that is species-specific and common to every person, cannot be sustained, where other scholars have suggested instead that syntax is an emergent property of semantic complexity:  as we acquire more and more names for things and predicates for their properties, we need principles of organization to make clear what we are talking about by means of nouns, pronouns, adjectives and adverbs.  But if that approach is correct, as I argue in The Evolution of Intelligence: Are Humans the Only Animals with Minds? (2005) and elsewhere, then Chomsky is not only wrong about JFK and 9/11 but is not even right about his greatest claim to fame.

The Article OpEdNews Rejected

9/11 has been used to justify wars of aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq, which have taken the lives of perhaps 1,000,000 Iraqis and an estimated 3,000 coalition fatalities for the sake of oil, Israel and ideology, as I have explained in my first 9/11 article for OpEdNews, “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”, which ameriafirstbooks has published in a version accompanied by political cartoon art.  It has also been used to justify the suppression of civil rights here in the United States through the passage of the grossly misnamed PATRIOT ACT, the Military Commissions Act, and more recently NDAA for 2012, which Dennis Cimino and I discussed here at VT, which OpEdNews subsequently accepted but then pulled from its pages.  If there is a more important issue that deserves public discussion, I cannot imagine what that would be.  For any forum for public debate to cut off articles and studies that focus on 9/11 is simply outrageous–and I personally find it stunning that Rob Kall, whom I have previously admired, would follow Noam Chomsky to the Dark Side, which is powerfully exemplified by his decision to suppress submissions on 9/11 and to reject Dean’s article, which you can now read here for yourself:

Where is the Proof of 9/11 Passengers?

by Dean Hartwell, J.D.

I have written a series of articles about the alleged planes and passengers of 9/11:

“The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What Happened to Flight 93?” (with Jim Fetzer) http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/15/the-911-passenger-paradox-what-happened-to-flight-93/

“The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What Happened to Flights 175, 77 and 11?” http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/the-911-passenger-paradox-what-happened-to-flights-175-77-and-11.html

“Where the 9/11 Passengers Went after Landing in Cleveland” http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2012/04/where-the-911-passengers-went-after-landing-in-cleveland.html

To summarize these articles:

The alleged Flights 77 and 11 were never scheduled and never flew.

Flights 93 and 175 did not crash at Shanksville or the World Trade Center but instead flew to the Cleveland airport.

Though some of the names we have been given as passengers were the names of real people (such as Barbara Olson), most of the passengers used false identities.

The “passengers” were really agents of the plotters, who gave fake pictures to the media for most of the passengers.

The agents helped with the cover story in Cleveland and subsequently went to their next assignments.

The agents themselves served as the grieving relatives of the “passengers.”

How can this theory be challenged?

Real relatives of those alleged to be on the plane could tell us how they gave rides or otherwise saw off passengers at the airport gate (which people could do then).  They could show pictures or newspaper articles of the passengers before 9/11.

Devil’s Advocate:  The stories of going to the airport could be made up.  Pictures and newspaper articles may refer to someone else with the same name.

A real relative could speak up and acknowledge having doubts about the official story and demand to know what happened to their family member.

Devil’s Advocate:  Some believe that Ellen Mariani, widow of an alleged passenger on Flight 175, did just that by filing a lawsuit against the United States government and some of its representatives.  She is apparently the only relative to sue in such a manner.  By doing so, and give up the money offered by the government to relatives, she certainly stands out.

In her suit, she blamed the Bush administration for failing “to protect and defend against the preventable attacks based upon substantial intelligence known to Defendant GWB prior to ‘9/11’ which resulted in the death of Plaintiff’s husband and thousands of other innocent victims on ‘9/11.’”

In other words, she supported the basic structure of the official theory that “terrorists” hijacked the planes and killed the passengers.  As Carol Valentine pointed out, if this lawsuit were to succeed, “there will be no more 9/11 plaintiffs to bring suits and no more chance for honest discovery. The Mother of All Conspiracy Theories, the suicide pilot fable, will be set in stone.”

The relatives’ families have had the opportunity to act like families of people who have lost someone.  Typically, if there is any shred of doubt as to what happened, the relatives of victims press to find out the truth.  They read up on the subject and would surely know by now the crash scenes were faked.  They are the best evidence that there were no true passengers on 9/11.

 

Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth and the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Dean T. Hartwell is the author of Planes without Passengers: The Faked Hijackings of 9/11 (2011), which is the bestseller in large-print history on amazon.com.


Jim Fetzer

A former Marine Corps officer, Jim Fetzer has published widely on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge, computer science, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, and evolution and mentality.

McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, he has also conducted extensive research into the assassination of JFK, the events of 9/11, and the plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone.

The founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence (2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), Render Unto Darwin (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010).

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  1. Jim Fetzer  May 4, 2012 at 5:07 am

    Yesterday, I had an “Ed Schultz” moment. I called into the show for the third time at about 11:25 AM/CT, where we listen to Ed over 92.1 FM in Madison. He had been talking about the “Mission Accomplished” fiasco, where I knew why it had turned out so poorly because of my interviews with Yvonne Wachter, the mother of USAF Capt. Chris Wachter, which I had published on OpEdNews coincidentally as “The Mission Accomplished Fiasco”
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_james_fe_070730_the__22mission_accompl.htm

    Thursday, August 2, 2007
    The “Mission Accomplished” Fiasco: Saddam was dead, but killing him was illegal, Scholars maintain
    (2 comments) The evidence suggests the US was able to kill Saddam Hussein within three weeks of our intervention in Iraq, but that his assassination violated Executive Orders signed by three presidents. Plans for a celebration of “Mission Accomplished” had to be drastically revised, since it would make Bush vulnerable to international criticism. Saddam was ‘resurrected’ by means of a double, who was captured, tried, and presumably hanged.

    and on VT as “George W. Bush: The ‘Mission Accomplished’ Fiasco”, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/20/george-w-bush-the-mission-accomplished-fiasco/

    So the screener listened to my summary of what I wanted to day and held me for 30 minutes when I was finally on with Ed and made the following remarks (to the best of my recollection):

    “Ed, the ‘Mission Accomplished’ event was originally planned to announce that USAF Capt. Chris Wachter had taken out Saddam Hussein, his two sons and around 60 members of his general staff at a restaurant in the suburbs of Baghdad with his B-1 bomber.

    “When he returned to the base, he was lionized, put on CNN, and awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. Someone in the administration must have realized that three presidents–Reagan, Carter, and Ford–had signed executive orders prohibiting the assassination of heads of foreign states.

    “He was brought back to Washington and told that, while they admired his flying skills, officially Saddam Hussein had gotten away, where they used one of his doubles for the trial.”

    Ed sounded genuinely excited and said, “Wow! I want you to stay over to talk more after the break. This may be one of those ‘Paul Harvey’ moments where ‘Now you know the rest of the story!”

    I thought that sounded pretty good and was not fazed when he initially turned to a conversation with Alan Grayson, who is running for Congress in Florida. After they spoke for 20 minutes or so and after more breaks for commercials, he began taking calls from other parties. I naively stayed on my cell phone for another hour and fifteen minutes before I “got the message”.

    A friend of mine who runs a restaurant here in Madison had tried to call when I was waiting to get back on, so I returned his call and told him of my experience. He said that, when Ed had visited Madison not long ago, he had spoken with his producer, who had told him that they were not into “New World Order” issues like 9/11, which may explain it.

    I believe that, while Ed wanted to continue our conversation, during which I was going to explain how Saddam was using British-made Jaguar cell phones, which enabled the US Command to track him, that Capt. Wachter had taken him out with two JDAM bombs, and that Dick Cheney had even been quoted in NEWSWEEK, as I recall, saying his lifeless body had been pulled from the rubble, his producer cut him off and told him to move along.

    What this means is that The Ed Schultz Show is yet another left-wing “gatekeeping” program, along with that of Amy Goodman and others we have been discussing here. William Colby, former Director of the CIA, told us that, “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” It saddens me to think that that apparently includes Ed Schultz.

  2. jeannonkralj  May 1, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Sure, it would be great to just do some special kind of “interrogations” done by the right person so that we can just find out who did it.

    Hasn’t happened in almost 11 years. Not sure any entity that would do a new investigation is not controlled, so I do not see great potential for an international investigation.

    I think we can narrow down who did and who did not, who could not have, done it by

    –showing what definitely was not done, what did not happen,

    –showing from the laws of science what is possible and what is impossible,

    –showing who will acknowledge these truths shown and

    –showing who will not acknowledge these facts.

    We have to apply the old rule–who had the means, the motive and the opportunity.

    By ruling out a lot of the obvious lies and falsehoods and rabbit trails, we have greatly narrowed down our field of choices.

    I think “the neocons” did it. They had the means. They had the motive, though we may disagree on what that motive is. They had the opportunity being infested in the top levels positions of every branch of our federal government. The Mossad thing is something I need a lot more information about. I just am not ready to say the “Mossad did it” until I have a clearer picture of to what degree the Mossad operates in the USA.

    It is useful to illuminate all we know about “the neocons” and describe them as fully as we possible can.

    Narrow descriptions and defintions would be saying the neocons are about Israel first, about “Zion”, and about the “Zionists” or “the Jews.”

    This is much bigger than all of those ideas. This game is for ALL the marbles.

  3. Garibaldi  May 1, 2012 at 7:23 am

    “I am beginning to think that documenting what happened in regard to alleged “planes”, “crashes”, crash sites, “passengers” are much more fruitful toward breaking the “9-11 code” than endless inquiries into the agent or agents that may have destroyed the Towers”.

    Sorry, Jeannon, couldn’t disagree with you more. IMCO, (in my concerted opinion), that entire statement is ass-backwards, and what we need are not endless “INQUIRIES into the agent or agents that may have” done such and such, but endless INTERROGATIONS of the agent or agents that really DID do it.

    Somebody sign up Duff for the job. He has a great resume for that sort of thing. You won’t find any concrete answers to your endless minutiae of hypothetical modus operandi, or ever “break the 9-11 code”, until somebody with suitable field experience “breaks” one of these rat bastards in a sweat bath.

    • Jim Fetzer  May 1, 2012 at 7:40 am

      Well, Garibaldi, if the media were not covering up, if the government were not complicit, and if the courts were not corrupt, we would not be in the difficult position of having (what I consider to be) overwhelming proof that the neo-cons and the Mossad did 9/11 to promote a political agenda but still being hamstrung from doing anything serious about it. Several responsible lawsuits were launched by Judy Wood, in one instance, and by Morgan Reynolds, in another, which were dismissed by judges who appear to have deep Zionist commitments. Egad! Even our own Supreme Court does not appear to be one that would be responsible about 9/11.

      We need to know as much as we can in as minute detail as we can to have the firmest possible footing in attempting to advance the cause of truth and justice about 9/11. I believe that an international court of inquiry may well be our most promising avenue of approach. As a step in that direction, I have organized The Vancouver Hearings, 15-17 June 2012, where the current program can be found at http://www.911vancouverhearings.com. We have shown nanothermite cannot possibly have blown the towers apart, which you can read about in “Is ‘9/11 Truth’ based upon a false theory?” and “Nanothermite: If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”, VT.

      And I agree with Jeannon that exposing the fabrication of the four purported “crash sites” appears to be by far the most direct and straightforward way to convey to the American people how this was done. See “Planes/No Planes and ‘video fakery'”, for one, “The official account of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon is a fantasy”, for another, “The Passenger Paradox: What happened to Flight 93″, for a third, and my personal favorite–which make make the issues even more explicit, “Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case of Rob Balsamo”. Check out at least the first and the last and tell me if you don’t agree with us that this looks promising.

  4. Garibaldi  April 30, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Why in Hell does everyone always fall into the same bottomless pit of pushing any one particular single modus operandi for the 9-11 demos as being mutually exclusive, such as thermite, nano or nada, for example? Why couldn’t the bastards have simply used EVERY LAST TOOL in their toolkit, along with throwing everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at it? DUH?

    • jeannonkralj  May 1, 2012 at 6:11 am

      Garibaldi, I and Dr. Fetzer and most others around here really are not pushing one particular single modus operandi. As far as what destroyed the Towers or what “hit” the Pentagon, we are all agnostics. We just do not know at this point, but we do see value in exploring all “theories” and weighing each on their merits. Some theories can be thrown out. The presence of thermite purportedly found at Ground Zero if true is odd but it is a legal issue and Dr. Fetzer’s and Mark Hightower’s investigations and findings so far tell us that the “thermite” theory must be ruled out in terms of the agent that is responsible for the destruction of the Twin Towers. The legal issues and investigations are really not happening in the “9-11 truth movement” at this time and really have not much happened at all over the last few years, though there are some “truthers” who happen to be attorneys. Attorneys have good logical reasoning skills, such as Dean Hartwell in this article, so those skills can be applied to various aspects of 9-11. I am beginning to think that documenting what happened in regard to alleged “planes”, “crashes”, crash sites, “passengers” are much more fruitful toward breaking the “9-11 code” than endless inquiries into the agent or agents that may have destroyed the Towers.

      The more we study every aspect of 9-11, the more we see what a very sophisticated operation it was. It took years in planning and it employed and included the most sophisticated psychological operations of the CIA in mass mind control.

      We can hope that some real insider on 9-11 will come forward and give us a big boost toward breaking the 9-11 code.

  5. jeannonkralj  April 30, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Thank you, Dr. Fetzer, for your informative reply and for your kind words, but the fact is you are the astute one, not me.

    I just wanted to comment that Christopher Bollyn does support the thermite gang’s theory. I guess over the past few years, I have more and more conflated the thermite theory with the “official story” of 9-11. I think the “official story” was subtly changed in meaning by maybe more than just the thermite gang over the years. The “official story” or the thing that is currently being fought against is switched and changed but all of this is very subtle and almost imperceptible

    You and Mark Hightower have shown us how bankrupt the thermite theory is but there are still lots of well-known “truhters” who still uphold it as truth, even in the face of yours and Mr. Hightower’s strong irrefutable facts. These well known truthers seem to put out a lot of very good researched information, yet their carefulness and respect for facts seems to leave them on the subject of thermite. I guess I have a bit of a problem with that.

  6. jeannonkralj  April 30, 2012 at 7:03 am

    I just wanted to explain a bit more about what I meant when I posted…

    “I think the stories of the “dancing Israelis” and “Urban Moving Systems white van with explosives” support the official story. They wow us with some aspect of the 9-11 news that seems to be implicating Israel, but they look a lot like contrived or planted false leads with the “patsies” knowingly or unknowingly involved in the contrivance. There are many stronger arguments for implicating those of the Jewish revolutionary spirit in 9-11.”

    I thank Garibaldi for the link to the 75 page document by Madsen but agree with Sheridan’s observations that that that Madsen article subtly supports the official story which Madsen knows to be false.

    Not sure exactly what Sheridan’s or Garibaldi’s objections or supportiveness is toward my comments but let me clarify about the Urban Moving Systems and the dancing Israeli news items.

    Those two stories received remarkably wide coverage in the mainstream media (MSM), which is peculiar in and of itself, even though they were quickly dropped from the radar screen.

    The two stories are meant to be accepted on their face, at face value. So we have the MSM showing us how some dancing Israelis knew about 9-11 in advance. Ho Hum. That’s big news? Israelis knowing about 9-11 in advance? This still supports the official story of what the nature of 9-11 actually was. (attack by Islamic hijackers using commercial jet liners). Yes, the dancing Israelis did go back to Israel and we have a record of their saying on Israeli TV news outlet that they were in the US to document the event, thereby admitting foreknowledge. All of that is true and happened on the surface, but I still contend that this is not the strongest item to show that the Mossad or “the Zionists” or “the Israelis” were part of those making up the perpetrators. They were, but this story is obviously meant to manipulate the American TV viewing public and to be accepted at face value. The actual facts and verified evidence regarding this story was not arrived at by Madsen and we do not yet have it and may never have it.

    I take the same position on the van with the explosives in it. We are meant to take this at face value and sort of believe that the MSM is finally thankfully giving us some truth about Israel’s involvement in 9-11. What?! We are supposed to believe that some explosives cooked up in a warehouse and stuffed in a van were truly believed by those Israeli “art students” to take down the Towers?!

    Yes, there is probably much truth to these young Israelis in these two stories being somehow part of a Mossad operation on US soil, but we are not to have any documented facts. We are only to have surface, face value, stories pushed by the MSM.

    Remember all these young Israelis got off scott free and quickly all got to go back home to Israel.

    I just think there are better, stronger, more documented ways to show that Israel and the Mossad or the “Zionists”, those I prefer to call those of the Jewish revolutionary spirit because I find the terms “Jews”, Zionists, and the “Israelis” inadequate and inaccurate.

    I think we need to shine the light on the Mossad’s operations in the USA, especially their connection with AIPAC and ADL, American Enterprise Institute and a host of other groups in the USA that send money to Israel and therefore the Mossad all the time. USA weapons manufacturers, corporatists, are also connected to these groups so we can see how deep this rabbit hole goes. We need to document all this and point to this, not point to two stories of dancing Israelis and white vans full of fertilizer bombs.

    • Jim Fetzer  April 30, 2012 at 7:43 am

      Jeannon is one of the most astute students of 9/11 and its coverage that I have ever known. In this instance, I have some reservations about her take on “the Dancing Israelis” and Urban Moving Systems, which, I would agree, are only the tip of the iceberg related to the involvement of dedicated Zionists to promoting and arranging the events of 9/11, which have benefited Israel far more than any other party.

      My take on these stories is that they appeared before the government and its intel ops were able to clamp down on coverage of 9/11, which means that, as I see it, they simply slipped through the cracks. The five Israelis (whom I take to have been Mossad operatives) were held for 71 days until their release was directed by an assistant to Attorney General John Ashcroft and returned to Isreal to appear on TV.

      That person was Michael Chertoff, who was not only a joint US-Israeli citizen but also would become the head of the newly created Department of Homeland Security, which has recently requisitioned 450,000,000 rounds of .40 caliber hollow-point ammunition, which is not even permissible for use during warfare by the Geneva Conventions. That is more than one round for every man, woman and child in the USA today.

      There are may excellent resources on Israeli complicity in 9/11, including “Israel did 9/11: All the proof in the world”, found many places, including http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/07/28/israel-did-911-all-the-proof-in-the-world/ If that one does not upload quickly, try http://www.whale.to/b/israel_did_911.html Or http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367 Or many other websites.

      The very transfer of the WTC into private hands was suspicious on its face. Firing the security company and insuring against terrorist attacks were also notable events. The Twin Towers had problems with asbestos, which would have been enormously expensive to remove, and there are many reports of tenancy problems, where they could well be viewed as extraordinary “white elephants” as business investments.

      Books by Christopher Bollyn, SOLVING 9/11, http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book, and articles by Alan Sabrosky, published here at VT and elsewhere, offer substantial support for the conclusion that the Mossad was profoundly involved. But 9/11 could not have been done without complicity from the administration, especially to arrange the stand-down of the US Air Force and the attack on the Pentagon itself.

      Almost everyone here knows that Donald Rumsfeld announced $2.3 trillion to be missing from the Pentagon’s budget the day before 9/11, when Dov Zakheim was its Controller and also owned a company that produced remote-control devices for aircraft, which, I believe, was the original plan for hitting the towers before it turned out that no real plane could penetrate those buildings in violation of Newton’s laws.

      That meant the planes had to be faked, either by simulating them using cruise missiles cloaked in holograms or sophisticated holograms, in the case of Flight 175 hitting the South Tower, or perhaps an arrangement of four UAVs, in the case of the North. See “Planes/No Planes and ‘video fakery'” and “Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case of Rob Balsamo”, here at VT, for those who want to know more.

      Not everything that Bollyn endorses appears to be correct, since nano-thermite does not have the explosive capacity to pulverized concrete or to decimate steel. It is a principle of materials science that the detonation velocity of an explosive must equal the speed of sound in a material to do that, which is 3,200 m/s for concrete and 6,100 m/s for steel, where the fastest nano-thermite speed is only 895 m/s.

      We know that our media is controlled, where even William Colby told us so. Some of us who have spoken up about Israeli complicity in 9/11, including Alan Sabrosky, Gordon Duff, Kevin Barrett and I have been targeted by the ADL as “anti-Semites”, http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/911_conspiracy_theories_report.htm?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_3 even though the evidence we are right is extensive and compelling.

    • Jim Fetzer  April 30, 2012 at 1:56 pm

      Paul, I think this post is over-the-top. Jeannon is an excellent student and has made many extremely good posts in the past on the 9/11 Scholars Forum at http://911scholars.ning.com and “The Real Deal” archives at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com. I do not think you have read her right and I am confident that she will add to what she has said before. But she is most definitely on the side of 9/11 truth, regardless of whether she has it exactly right in every respect, which I dare say can also be said of the rest of us.

    • Garibaldi  April 30, 2012 at 11:14 pm

      Does this “Final Word” “support the official story” too, Jeannon?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGPFVOYmhg&list=UUaMH8-gD-ZYyC93vY6GlnCQ&index=31&feature=plpp_video
      (-Careful what you say, it’s “gpduf’s favorite video! )

  7. budracer63  April 29, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Jim

    I was never a fan of your research before…..but since you have become “aware” of certain aspects of 911/JFK and become enlightened to true aspects of these crimes and changed your tune, I have changed my mind about your articles. I now, for the most part, enjoy your articles and can see you are on the right path of absolute truth. Especially when you discovered the AEP911 Truth movement isn’t everything you thought it to be. While they have discovered and published great things about the flights/non-flights of 911 they are indeed a limited hangout. Yes, there were no planes on 911. Never were. Evidence points more towards winged cruise missiles then holograms. (holograms don’t make sound) One more thing the perps would have to “add” to their fakery that day.

    For your readers to be enlightened. Mossad had a part in 911 but to blame them entirely is mere stupidity.

    They are just a part of the puzzle. Just so you all know – the puzzle has been completed. All who were involved have been identified and are going to be arrested. You may think this sounds absurd, but we shall see in the coming months. They will ALL be charged with nuclear holocaust/crimes against humanity/mass murder/treason/war crimes and more. Suicide will be their only escape. Keep watching……May 5 -20 will be a very significant time for us and May – June shall become our redemption.

    Love and light!

    • Jim Fetzer  April 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      Well, I THINK I appreciate those kind words. Yes, Mossad could not have stood down the US Air Force or arranged a phony attack on the Pentagon; but I suspect that the destruction of the Twin Towers was “outsourced” to them, because it is difficult for Americans to take the lives of thousands of other Americans, but for the Mossad, as in the case of the USS Liberty, it would have been “a piece of cake”!

  8. jeannonkralj  April 28, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I am seeing the Jewish revolutionary spirit throughout all of this.

    I found it interesting that Dr. Fetzer said Noam Chomsky’s big idea about syntax is wrong, and I think was said to be easily provably wrong. I never could see why people paid much attention to Chomsky. He came to town and gave a series of talks. I could see he was speaking in circles and rhetorically tap dancing. But hey, he was Lefty and he was trendy. Chomsky is wrong about 9-11 too, but this kind of wrong is more closely related to lying.

    “In other words, she (Ellen Mariani) supported the basic structure of the official theory that “terrorists” hijacked the planes and killed the passengers. ”

    Yes, and Ellen Mariani’s last attorney was the well-known Phil Berg who supposedly is going to get to the bottom of the origins of Barack Obama and the question of Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS. Mariani is a fake, an agent, and now I am beginning to think Phil Berg knows all that too and he is a big fake too. Mariani, and even Berg on the Obama matter, are fading off the scene now, just as Dr. Steven Jones has faded off the scene.

    “supported the basic structure of the official theory” – Now that is something I am very sensitive to. Many many people who purport to be seeking and exposing 9-11 truth can be seen to support the official theory. Dr. Steven Jones and his entire spin-off groups and people all seem to support the official story. They do this by avoiding certain aspects of 9-11 altogether, or switching our attention here and there and running out the clock. The whole vocabulary of 9-11 needs to be exposed. Here are some words that subtly support the official story or at least to some degree hide the truth: collapse, attack, hijackers, planes, passengers, pods, victims, came down, and fall down.

    I think the stories of the “dancing Israelis” and “Urban Moving Systems white van with explosives” support the official story. They wow us with some aspect of the 9-11 news that seems to be implicating Israel, but they look a lot like contrived or planted false leads with the “patsies” knowingly or unknowingly involved in the contrivance. There are many stronger arguments for implicating those of the Jewish revolutionary spirit in 9-11.

    I still say some work should be done in setting up a database and record on every alleged plan passenger, and every alleged victim of the Twin Towers. Do the same checks on each of them, including checking the 9-11 Victim’s Comp Fund, Social Security Death Index, “Survivors Fund” etc… I gathering the data and analyzing the data in such a way would make the idea of no plane passengers and very few deaths of people in the Towers seem much plausible. I personally think it is highly plausible right now but it this kind of data would make it more plausible to many more people, I think that would move us much closer to the full truth of 9-11. Notice I just say truth and not justice. The USA to me had one great thing going for it and that was the rule of law. The rule of law is gone now and I do not see how we can ever have it again.

    The entire world is in an economic meltdown of catastrophic proportions, including the USA. People may not be able to face the truth of the JFK assassination or 9-11, but they are, in their gut, facing the prospects of very very bad times for the USA including the end of everything that ever seemed good about the USA. People are aware, but see need to not acknowledge it or talk about it, but the USA and the world is right now taking a giant step toward a hell-on-earth death and slavery system for all. We all are seeing, even those of us who can’t face up to these things openly, that the internationalist bankers, banksters, are running this show and have been for a very long time, and those folks are of the Jewish revolutionary spirit.

    In light of all this, we who want to keep searching for and exposing truths related to 9-11 and other like major events look petty and irrelevant or much worse for seeing the necessity of pointing out the Jewish revolutionary spirit in all of this end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it Evil. The whole idea of truth is on the chopping block. That to me signals the real end of any basis of hope in this world system. But then that’s not where my hope lies.

    • Garibaldi  April 29, 2012 at 9:34 am

      More support for jeannonkralj’s “official” story- http://www.scribd.com/doc/65346841/Wayne-Madsen-Israeli-Art-Students-and-Movers-Story

    • Garibaldi  April 30, 2012 at 10:09 pm

      Sorry you missed my satirical point, Paul. It’s an old article, but for it’s time, it’s still one of the best all-around sources for a literal mountain of irrefutable evidence for “Israeli” involvement, which also happens to include the now-declassified DEA Report. Regardless of all his Al Qaeda horseshit and countless other foibles, the sheer volume of material on the “Dancing Israelis” and “Urban Moving Systems” makes it all but impossible to use to “support the official story” of “jeannonkralj. See where I was going now? Simple enough?

      Your “Pharisees of the Vatican” piece was exceptional, by the way.

  9. haroldsmith  April 28, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Speaking about the “victims’ families”, what I want to know is: what the hell is wrong with the family of the late Bruce Ivins? Did they get paid off? Did they get threatened? Did they get paid off and threatened?

  10. Jim Fetzer  April 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    How can the truth be besmirching the names of “the Dancing Israelis”? I talk about them in “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda” and in “Is 9/11 research ‘anti-Semitic’?” We know a lot about them, where you can find the interview on Israeli TV archived on YouTube by YOU:

    The Dancing Israelis and the Mainstream Media Lackey – YouTube
    58 sec – Oct 6, 2011
    Uploaded by PVSheridan2
    The Dancing Israelis and the Mainstream Media Lackey. PVSheridan2. Subscribe Subscribed …
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZJKy6jAXNA

    So tell me more about this business with Vince. You wrote to him to suggest that he prosecute Osama bin Laden, who had nothing to do with 9/11 and has been dead since around 15 December 2001? Please tell me more. This sounds rather fascinting, indeed. Thanks!

    • Jim Fetzer  April 28, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      Nice! Yes, I appreciate sarcasm. You have made several nice points. Thanks for the clarification. When I discovered you had posted that video, of course, I realized that you were not being serious, where, of course, there are many more indications of Israeli complicity, for those who know the work of Alan Sabrosky, Christopher Bollyn, and web site such as rediscover911.com.

  11. Charlotte NC Bill  April 28, 2012 at 6:10 am

    Rob Kall sounds a lot like Scott Horton at anti-war.com But these people will be more and more deluged by people that know that the official version of 9-11 is pure lies and fiction..

  12. NavyBrat  April 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Jim;

    While not wishing to be disparaging about your tremendous work over the years, I suggest that we’re becoming bogged down in the minutia of the 9-11 events. The perps have long fled and are onto other criminal enterprises. The fact that the towers fell at free-fall speed is enough to know they were deliberately demolished – something that was clear to me even as I watched them collapse on 9-11, over and over again. I’ve seen enough hotels in Vegas come down in similar fashion.

    Controlled demolition means the explosives had to be installed and wired – from the inside. In the days and weeks prior to Sep.11, no-one noticed any potential Islamic terrorists entering the towers, something that would have certainly raised a red flag after the previous attempt in Feb.1993.

    This alone suggests it was an inside job.

    And then there’s WTC-7, the straw that broke the official story to pieces.

    The means, motives and how it was pulled of is all in plain sight. It’s even on You Tube.

    We know where all the leads go, and with the thousands of lawyers in this country we have yet to find someone with enough back-bone to begin the prosecutions. Perhaps they know who is controlling the justice system?

    Most people I’ve had conversations with over the last eleven years are a) ignorant of these things, or b) cannot accept that any of us would do something this evil, or c) know what happened and agree with what’s going on, Patriot Act and all.

    They no longer support the Constitution and Bill of Rights because, as they see it, criminals and minorities hide behind it and use it against the general public. The demographic of the USA has changed a lot over the last 30 years, with the White population becoming a minority in many States, especially in the south west. For them, democracy no longer works. They could care less about the Constitution. It just puts one more weapon into the hands of the Hispanics and Blacks. Much as I hate to admit it, tribalism is alive and well. They think that by allowing the current police state and its boundless authority, they will have protection. I’m sure many in 1930’s Germany felt the same way – until they heard the 4am knock at the door.

    With regard to Noam Chomsky, no one that intelligent can be ignorant of the real events of 9-11.
    High school physics will tell you that jet fuel will never melt structural steel, and he must have been there for that particular lesson.

    Rest assured – he knows – and being such a high profile figure, he also knows the consequences of speaking truth to power. How many of us have that much courage?

    Semper Fi

  13. Jim  April 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Chomsky has always been an establishment crony and cover-up man who specializes in limited hangouts and then delivers a bad payload. He is an expert at this, the art of deflection, and the king of sly obfuscation and the sophistry and casuistry of confusion. His work with manufactured consent is telling and serves as a blueprint for what he himself also does with the USG Assassination of JFK and the USAF 911 false flag inside job/stand-down gladio style attacks with substantial help from the elephant, their main and largest int’l cutout.

    Undoubtedly cracking the JFK case is of utmost importance since it ties directly to the same groups that did 911. If the USG conspiracy to murder JFK had been fully exposed and prosecuted, the 911 attacks would not have occurred, nor would have all the illegal, unConstitutional, undeclared, unprovoked wars have been allowed like Vietnam, and the Mideast wars which our young soldiers, our greatest national treasure, were sent into harms way for obvious corporate war profiteering.

    Professor Fetzer and Dean Hartwell have nailed this subject 100% and deserve highest commendations for exposing how high level gatekeeping of information, facts and truth is done. There is a 100% taboo in the mainstream mass broadcast media (6) on truthful discussions of the actual causation and evidence of the JFK murder and the 911 attacks. Any breeches of this taboo are followed with immediate serious sanctions of one sort or another. Many of the secondary, alternative media which pretend to be “independent” find that significant pressure becomes applied by various high level entities to change publication policies, such as not covering certain stories anymore. When this pressure is applied it is typically an indicator that too much truth is diffusing to the public at large and there is a danger of critical mass being reached, a situation where the public in general finally realizes that all the Mideast wars were a sham based on a lie. Note that the shadow govt has many assets in place that can be tapped when needed and many types of varuious pressures and even serious theats and blackmail can be applied if neceassry. You can bet that the shadow govt is very, very worried about the deep penetration of the information, questions and facts now being dispensed to the common masses about 911, resulting in far too many folks “waking up”. This proces is energized by the worsening economy with massive unemployment and underemployment, and the Internet is now serving as the main vehicle, often stimulating word of mouth diffusion among friends and associates. Of course the major urban newspapers will never vacillate from their coverup themes.

    The tipping point has now been reached where comments like, “I think the evidence shows that either the USG did the 911 attacks or knew it was coming and did nothing”, no longer result in being labelled as a crackpot or conspiracy nut by friends and associates or family members. This is a dangerous lane-change for the shadow govt and truly signifies the emergence of a new social epoch of the mindset of the masses overruling the dispensed lies of the super-elite deviants that run the shadow govt war/intel machine. They are now meeting frequently and considering many ways to stop this Internet diffusion and creation of masses of “truth junkies”, and they are making many rapid moves to do everything possible to suppress this onslaught of truth such as ordering 7.5 million rounds to murder American Citizens with, passage of the NDAA 2012 and many more such as CISPA, etc. It can now be argued that even though this process of diffusion of truth takes time, it is very likely that it is far too late to stop. This if true perhaps creates a dangerous situation where the shadow govt likely feels cornered and may react by becoming highly motivated to institute another 911 or similar false flag attack. The one positive in this is that secrecy is breaking down and many inside the shadow govt are getting old and losing their allegiance, just waiting and sandbagging until they just cannot go along anymore. Many of these lower and middle level folks have been conned but are also waking up and getting the facts straight. If the shadow govt tries to institute another big 911 inside job, it is likely that they will be exposed beforehand and stopped, or if they succeed, their cover stories will quickly fail because the public is now too informed.

  14. Detlef Reimers  April 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Mr. Fetzer, you always work very hard, to arguing very precicely, justifying and proving every little piece in your articles. Sometimes I get the feeling while reading: what is it good for, if the other side doesn’t care at all?

    Controlled opposition is very easy to handle, if you can be sure you’re completely backed up by all your “nice fellows” around at several places. Arguing against this fake/fradulent setup is nearly impossible, because mostly nobody wants to read all the long sentences and follow the sophisticated argumentation.

    This crowd of people, coming from different perspectives and backgrounds – founded on a hidden but powerful agenda, will – in public – always win. But they lie – each one of them – in his/her own peculiar way. Their media appereance is well calculated, not a single word too much is said, they work together very coercive, arguments are passed through the discussion in a gated and circular way, protecting everything completely against “outsiders” or opponents.

    Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and so many others do their daily part in throwing tiny peaces of truth into the debates of mostly not so important issues, while at the same time completely shut down any real discussion or arguing of main points.

    This is part of the rigged game, they play. We all had time enough over the years to watch this unfold into the open, now it should be clear for everyone.

    Compromises and pseudo-diplomatic and verbally sophisticated forms of argumentation cannot distract the well or even better informed listener/reader from the fact, that most of this is a well calculated and interpersonally organized form of “both-side inherent mind control game”, where each one plays his/her part, no one steps out of their role.

    Mr. Fetzer, to my opinion you are completely right with your arguments. But “they” don’t care – they don’t have to and we all know too well, why!

    • Jim Fetzer  April 27, 2012 at 6:31 pm

      Detlef,

      Thank you for this brilliant and insightful post. I have learned and continue to experience the modus operandi you describe. It helps me to stay on an even keel to know there are thoughtful souls like you out there who understand all too well what has been and continues to go on.

      Warm regards,

      Jim

    • DaveE  April 28, 2012 at 11:12 am

      Well put, Detlef. An ideology is a framework on which a person hangs the pieces of their life. For reasons I can’t comprehend, people need to think they have all the answers, already, so they can get through the day and give themselves easy answers to every problem that may arise, without expending too much mental energy.

      Thinking independently of one’s built-in biases is a constant struggle for most people, if they even want to try. Most do not. Education helps, as it helps to realize there are myriad competing ideologies providing “answers” to any of the big questions; birth, death, the afterlife, perceptions, wisdom, economics, engineering, you name it. But education is not the answer, either, by itself. Overly educated people are often the most shallow, ideological and biased of all. Often, regurgitating endless jargon or trivia becomes a substitute for critical thinking.

      We live in an age of TOO MUCH information. The trick is learning what to ignore and perhaps an “ideology” is an easy way to avoid having to process too much “noise”!

      Anyway, thanks for work, Jim, Dean, Ann and all. I think you all are getting warm, even if I don’t weigh all the evidence you (and so many others) have uncovered exactly as you do. In spite of what seems like an endless battle, I think we’re winning against the dark forces of zionist brainwashing that are everywhere we look.

  15. Allen L Roland  April 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Rob Kall is a lightweight running a Vanity Press that mainly features himself and is generally laughed at and ridiculed. He even charges his authors to have access to their page reads ~ which is one of the reasons I stopped writing for OpEd News as a trusted author a few years ago. Chomsky, on the other hand, is a left wing heavyweight who bears watching and still packs a punch.

    • Chris  April 27, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      Yeah, when hes not saying “it doesnt matter who killed JFK” and hes not reaffirming the official and monstrous lies of 9/11 hes not half bad.

      I like the bulk of what Chomsky has to say but I will never give him a pass precisely because he IS a leftwing heavyweight with real sway among a segment of the population. And instead of being a man and being honest about the biggest of lies that keeps on giving to the warmongers in power, he furthers that lie.

    • Gordon Duff  April 29, 2012 at 11:36 pm

      Allen,
      You and I do a fair amount of radio and TV. I am not a writer, I run a series of defense companies that work in intelligence. I have the broadest access of anyone in print.

      Having said that, and having a career of over 40 years, some of it totally wasteful, thank you very much, I find I tend to win debates as you note, make predictions that tend to actually happen and have fun doing it.

      I am pretty much at the end of my patience with phony alternative journalism. This is why VT withdrew from that game.

      When I see the term “gatekeeper” I laugh. I have had Israel/9/11 confirmations first hand from Israeli intel officers.

      Our articles on ‘mini nukes” at the WTC were confirmed from the Pentagon yet some things….we will have to wait for.

      Do know this, intelligence agencies read VT, read your articles, and find them beyond the output of their best people.

      I don’t know what to say about Rob. I like some of the work there but the ‘gatekeeper’ aspect is clear as day.

      For me, I just don’t want his audience. We are going to stick to dealing with professionals, cut our numbers, up our game, up our standards, and no longer play with the kids.

      We did pick up one of Murdoch’s papers, which I am wondering what to do with. Maybe Rob mighty want to work with that though it is primarily international coverage.

    • Allen L Roland  April 30, 2012 at 12:39 am

      I believe you mean Rob, Gordon .~ not Bob. I like your style, Gordon ~ which is one of the reasons I love writing for VT.

  16. Charlotte NC Bill  April 27, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Ooops sorry for the double…didn’t go through at first…deanhartwell makes a good point…If flt 77 didn’t fly into the Pentagon it would take wild horses and guns to keep me fm searching for the truth…It would take a platoon to keep me fm digging into flt 93 if my wife was on it..I did some work in a woman’s house on LI that benefited fm the VCF and, to put it mildly, seemed to be enjoying her mourning period…

  17. Charlotte NC Bill  April 27, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Chomsky’s case is easy: He knows that 9-11 was ordered by the Rothschilds ( that’s right it’s time to grab the pitchforks and storm the castle ) and carried out by Israel in collusion with the intelligence agencies of the US and UK along with assistance fm their sayanim agents and assets on the ground and in the media…www.rediscover911.com covers this well…Chomsky knows where not to go…And that goes for Amy good for not much Goodman and Rachel Maddow and Randi Rhodes and all the rest..

    • Chris  April 27, 2012 at 5:31 pm

      No doubt he knows of Israel/US involvement in carrying out 9/11. I personally talked to him about 9/11 and it was like pulling teeth. The man knows how to talk in circles, thats for sure. Hes a perfect example of controlled opposition.

      Amy Goodman is a joke, with her staged 9/11 debate with the Loose Change kids versus Popular Mechanics hatchet men. Talk about a WWE pro wrestling style set up.

  18. deanhartwell  April 27, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Ann,

    You wrote “Just because you don’t know any of the victims does not mean they do not exist.” I merely said that “…some of the names we have been given as passengers were the names of real people.”

    As for CeeCee Lyles and Capt. Burlingame, then, they may have been real people. I have heard the alleged last phone call by Lyles on YouTube. It could have been her calling or it could have been someone pretending to be her.

    I do not know what happened to Capt. Burlingame. However, that does not necessarily make it true that he died in the manner we are told that day.

    If the Tillman family, who lost Patrick Tillman to mysterious circumstances in battle in 2004, can be vocal in demanding the truth about Patrick’s death, why wouldn’t the “victim families” here do the same?

    • Charlotte NC Bill  April 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm

      Good point…Of course, the 9-11 Victim’s Comp fund comes with stipulations that make it a “take the money and go away-aka hush money-fund..” Chomsky’s case is easy…He’s a socialist “anti-Zionist zionist” And he, like most well-informed people, have come to the obvious conclusion that 9-11 was ordered by the Rothschilds and carried out by Israel in collusion with the intelligence agencies of the US and UK with assistance fm their sayanim assets and agents in country..incl the media…And, of course, when push comes to shove Chomsky stands with his tribe against the American people!

    • Jim Fetzer  April 27, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Actually, a member of Scholars back in 2006 sent me a study of the 19 “phone callers” from those four planes and reported that, in relation to the Social Security Death Index, exactly ONE of their names appeared, and that, in relation to the Survivors Fund, NONE of their survivors had received money. I think it is unAmerican not to accept free money from your government, which made me suspicious; and now that we know so much more about the fabrication of the crash sites, the situation has gone far beyond suspicious to actually proving that the government has been perpetrating the “big lie” of 9/11.

    • Ann  April 27, 2012 at 9:10 pm

      Dean, the passengers that day were the pawns who were used and murdered to trigger a war. All I’m saying is to prove or rule out their existence before stating as much. As for Tillman, yes his family is vocal but notice their absence on the news. The last thing the perps want is factual confirmation of their crimes. I don’t know where the other families are, has anyone spoken to Mr Lyles since his earlier interviews? Maybe he was threatened. Our overlords are quite capable of murder and worse.

      When April Gallop was hospitalized she was visited and questioned by suits she never saw again. When she brought a lawsuit against the perps it wasn’t even covered by the media, and most Americans had no idea it was in progress. There is a real effort to gag the truth and they have been successful for the most part, although their story is crumbling. There are too many loose ends to be written off as coincidental or bogus.

    • deanhartwell  April 28, 2012 at 10:24 am

      Ann,

      The assertion that given passengers existed is not at all likely to be provable. False records can be created and placed online. “Relatives” could easily make up stories or steal identities. Public figures like Barbara Olson can “disappear” for a while, etc.

      I have suggested the approach of asking what real relatives of victims would do – such as going to the arrival airports (see the “9/11 Passenger Paradox: What Happened to Flight 93″ by Jim Fetzer and me linked at start of article), questioning authority after catching it in a lie (like the Tillmans who made their case loud enough for me to hear, like the families of the “Liberty” attack by the Israelis, etc.) and simply refusing to give up. They should be just as determined as you and I to get the truth.

      If a relative had truly died, what would one care about threats against getting the truth? Such a person would already be marked.

      My efforts are simply an improvement of my earlier hypotheses. Getting feedback is very important to me so thank you.

  19. Ann  April 27, 2012 at 10:31 am

    CeeCee Lyles was a real person, a real wife, a real mother, and a real flight attendant. The perverts who run this country made her a real hostage, a real pawn, and a real murder victim. She was a former detective and left clues on her last phone call to her real husband. He spoke about the call and the oddities surrounding it. Her ID papers were found at the site to bolster the forced phone call. Did you look into it?

    Capt. Burlingame was a real person, a real husband and father, and a real former fighter pilot. His real daughter paid with her very real life for recognizing early on that the whole thing was anything but real. Have you looked into either of them?

    There was another real NYC employee whose name escapes me at the moment, who spotted the lies and went public. He suddenly and really died of undisclosed reasons and soon afterwards a van pulled up to his real NYC home and moved his family to an undisclosed location.

    Just because you don’t know of any victims does not mean they do not exist. They were pawns used in another fabricated atrocity to justify another war. It also means that the perverts have been at this for a long time and deceit is second nature to them, and that they routinely plan and participate in things that you would not dare imagine to be real.

    So it only stands to reason that the victims have been disposed of in such a way that they will never be found and used to implicate the killers. As for their families, they may have been bought off or threatened, or both. Real people were used as pawns and killed by the same perverts who control the media, infest every institution of government, and obstruct official inquiries, so of course you can’t locate anything. They started the evidence clean-up on 9-12. They know that as long as there is no body there is no murder. Don’t assist them by believing their depraved lies.

    • Stewart Ogilby  April 27, 2012 at 11:12 am

      Ann – Your well informed comment is most impressive. You have obviously done your homework and I must ask how you determined, other than through media and online sources, the fact that Ms Lyles was a real person. Please do not assume that I doubt you. I really would appreciate knowing precisely how deeply you have personally investigated this subject. Your work on the Burlingame’s would also be appreciated. The NYC employee to whom you refer is Barry Jennings who, as you know, gave a televised interview on 911 referring to walking over bodies when exiting building #7 earlier in the day. I assume you have also personally investigated Mr. J and I would be grateful for your references. My contact information is on my personal page at http://wisebird.com Thank you, in advance, for giving me your help in this important matter.

    • Ann  April 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm

      Stewart, we all know that 911 was a murderous hoax to trigger a war in the Middle East. We know that no planes hit the WTC. We are all trying to piece the crime together. The most baffling part is what happened to the passengers and it is there where we all seem to differ the most.

      Homework- as a generality I try to keep an open mind when I read, whether or not I have doubts about the source. There could be one valuable piece of information buried in what could be otherwise ruled out.

      When I first heard of CLyles I simply followed the story. Without much effort I found the video statement from her husband (it might still be on youtube unless the cowardly perps took it down), saw the statue in her honor in her hometown, and heard the recording of her voice on the machine where it was left before her husband answered the phone. I could be wrong but I strongly suspect that she and the other crew and passengers were taken hostage by perps who were also on the plane, using aliases which is why they are so hard to find. Not that I have done it but her employment records alone could confirm or rule out her existence.

      The planes’ schedules, actual flights, or lack thereof would not distract me, for those are just records that the perps could have altered them to their own gain. Pulling off a stunt as massive as 911 required extensive planning, and subverting computer information would not be so difficult for them. As I have mentioned here more often than anyone cares to remember, the First World War was planned 20 years earlier, and among others required the complicity of Pres. Wilson, Secy Agriculture Hoover, and Secy Navy FDR who knowingly participated. Yet try to convince the average American that all three were miscreants and traitors. That information is readily available yet few can get past it, for the truth is too terrible. The 911 reactions are similar–the information is hiding in plain sight.

      Capt. Burlingame – same as CLyles. His military and employment records could confirm his existence. I do not have work on him per se, again, I followed the story which yielded considerable information. His daughter’s death was covered in local newspapers at the time. Again, not that I have done it but I am sure the police and fire department records would be more precise. Assuming, of course, that the perps have not destroyed them for that very reason. If they can murder in great numbers without a thought then they can do what they please with official records.

      I did not investigate Mr. Jennings ( thanks for reminding me of his name) but he died very suddenly and no one seems to know details. That alone is worth an investigation. Some radio personality, I think Alex Jones, hired someone to find out but that came to an ominous end. My take? I think that when Mr. Jenning mentioned bodies he became a threat to the perps and their alibi, because those bodies were alive shortly before his walking on them. Who were they? How were they all murdered so quickly in one place? If he had the time, he might have remembered something critical, but the perps were already cleaning up lose ends and he was one. He was a NYC employee and a crime witness who dies without reason and he has no death certificate? Are you kidding me?

      We all agree that John O’Neill was the FBI agent who was killed in the WTC. His body was not recovered yet there is no doubt that he was there and murdered. And yes, I consider this crime to be one of mass murder. If O’Neill was in the tower and never seen again, and we assume he was murdered, why are the others ruled out as murder victims?

      The other problem is that the crime is looked at as a whole instead of individual threads, files, bios, etc. Different people see different things, all pieces of the puzzle. I have seen comments here stating that the towers were empty and yet the buildings’ security footage caught the firemen ascending the stairs as the tenants were walking down. What kind of thinking produces such statements? If there is confusion it is because our overlords want it so. They are good at this so it is unrealistic to think it will be solved anytime soon. We are all still at the gathering stage but it will become more difficult with time and memory, and because the perps have the capability to alter computers. A high school hacker could do considerable damage, so why not a government kook who does it for a living.

      Not that I would rely on the Langley dunces for the time of day, but if there are more than a few of them who actually consider themselves loyal Americans they should be able to research the last few weeks of the above mentioned. We’ve spent a fortune in taxes training the little darlings, here’s their chance to prove they’re qualified. This crime will eventually be solved, but not for a while.

      Basically, I think we differ in approach, but it is imperative to treat all information carefully, and confirm the smallest and seemingly insignificant details whenever possible.

    • Jim Fetzer  April 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm

      Ann,

      We greatly appreciate your anguish and concern but something is wrong with everything we have been told about 9/11. Please bear in mind that we are writing against a background of research on the alleged 9/11 flights, where two of them, Flight 11 and Flight 77, were not even scheduled that day and the planes associated with the other two, Flight 93 and Flight 175, were not even deregistered by the FAA until 28 September 2005. But how can planes that were not in the air have crashed on 9/11 or planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?

      Moreover, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has studied ground/air communications and has determined that Flight 93 was in the air that day but over Urbana, IL, at the time it was supposed to have been crashing in Shanksville and that Flight 175 was also in the air but over Pittsburgh, PA, at the time it was filmed entering the South Tower. Evidence of the fabrication of all four crash sites is abundant and compelling. See “Planes/No Planes and ‘video fakery'”, “The official account of the 9/11 Pentagon crash is a fantasy”, “The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What happened to Fight 93?”, and “Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case of Rob Balsamo”, all published here on Veterans Today.

    • Charlotte NC Bill  April 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      Dr Fetzer’s been doing some good work…Just watching the plane go in and seeing the tip of the plane coming out the other side unscathed is too remarkable too disregard…We’re getting into things that are hard to prove here but as Holmes would say; ” when you exclude the impossible, whatever is left must be what happened”…..Why the hell would that Zio-rat Katz say that his team was ” sent there to document the event..” Why throw out a half-assed explanation unless they and the other teams were doing even MORE than that? I think we’re getting warm…..

    • Ann  April 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      Jim, First of all, I appreciate your work on this treasonous coup inflicted on our country. And yes, I agree that we were fed ghastly lies which led us into war, a filthy game our overlords have done since 1898. I do not believe planes hit the towers, nor the other two sites. However I think that the perps had taken control of the computers long before that day and used planes as a cover story. Which is not to say that the flights in question did or did not fly.

      There is no easy way to solve this anytime soon, it is far too big and had too many domestic and foreign perps working day and night to commit the crime. They did not think it would fall apart as soon as it did, otherwise they would have been even more sadistic. There must have been many more who participated unknowingly, and others who tried to talk and were murdered. But I believe that crews and passengers did exist, although the correct details still evade us. The flight records are one thing, and the crew/passenger records are another.

  20. Brian  April 27, 2012 at 10:14 am

    A few days after I posted two links to articles which provide evidence the Mossad did 911 in the comments section of a Rob Kall article at OpEdNews he banned me from logging in at OpEdNews. He did not respond to my email. Rob Kall is Jewish and I’m glad he allows criticism of Israel regarding the Palestinians but perhaps he won’t tolerate people spreading the news that Jewish Israelis did 911.

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