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Interview with Philosopher of Science Dr. James Henry Fetzer

by Christof Lehmann and Jim Fetzer

 
A former Marine Corps officer, James Fetzer has published widely on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge, computer science, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, and evolution and mentality. McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, Dr. Fetzer has also conducted extensive research into the assassination of JFK, the events of 9/11, and the plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone. The founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence (2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), Render Unto Darwin (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010). For his recent articles, go to “Veterans Today, Jim Fetzer”.  This interview has just appeared at nsmbc.

Christof Lehmann: Dr. Fetzer, you are one of the most renown, and some would say one of the most controversial U.S.-American scholars. Beside your extensive work in philosophy and cognitive sciences your leading role and extensive work on the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy and 9/11 has afforded you wide-spread recognition, but it has also afforded you the attention of powerful enemies among politicians and your peers. Can you recall a formative or catalyzing experience that has led you to investigate and to speak out where the majority of American scholars remained passive or silent, and what has your scientific background meant for you in that respect?

James H. Fetzer: The event that crystalized my commitment was the appearance of George Lundberg, the Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of the AMA, making a television appearance [in 1992] and denouncing Oliver Stone’s “JFK” as “docu-fiction” and every serious student of JFK, from Mark Lane to Robert Groden to David S. Lifton and Charles Crenshaw, M.D., which forced me to the realization that, if someone of his stature was abusing his position to promote false information about the assassination, perhaps some of us like myself who have special background and training needed to become involved to contribute to getting things straight. I noticed a letter to the editor of JAMA by a member of the AMA, David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D., who was objecting to the abuse of the journal for political purposes, so I wrote to him and suggested we collaborate on a long article or a book. Others learned about our efforts and asked to join us. I wrote about this in ASSASSINATION SCIENCE (1998), which included David’s discoveries that the autopsy X-rays had been altered and the determination by Bob Livingston, M.D., a world authority on the human brain, that the brain shown in diagrams and photos could not be that of JFK.


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Christof Lehmann: Dr. Fetzer, much of the most cutting edge research at University Institutes in capitalist societies today is funded by private corporations while it is largely government-funded in socialist societies. In fundamentalist religious societies it may be influenced by religious bias. In the USA we witness that creationists and Darwinists are delivering each other pitched battles. What are the consequences for humanitarian sciences ? What are the consequences for material sciences ? Does free intellectual inquiry exist, has it ever existed, and if it does not exist to the degree one may expect, what are the consequences for science and for humanity at large?

James H. Fetzer: From 35 years as a member of the faculties of a wide range of institutions of higher learning, I have come to appreciate that most faculty fear nothing more than embarrassment–whether that be by another scholar, by their own students, or by the public. For that reason, they tend to avoid controversial issues, even when they are of enormous importance to the public and its best interests. That is certainly the case with JFK and, if anything, even more so in relation to 9/11, where the evidence that the events of 9/11 were fabricated or faked is even more extensive than in the case of JFK. Many aspects of the “official account” of 9/11 even violate the laws of physics and of engineering. In the case of the Twin Towers, for example, the fires burned neither long enough nor hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, much less melt. The top 14 floors of the North Tower, moreover, represented only 1.4% of the mass of the steel. The very idea that such a modest mass could overcome the resistance of the 98.6% of the lower floors is absurd–and it is indicative of the degree of corruption of scientists who work for government agencies that NIST supported the claim that the Twin Towers collapsed! Compare “New 9/11 Photos Released” and “20 reasons the ‘official account’ of 9/11 is wrong” for additional examples of the indefensibility of what we have been told. I have felt that I was among the very few academicians who have understood the role of tenure in supporting research on controversial issues.

Christof Lehmann: Subsequent to 9/11 and the onset of the war on terror the world has witnessed a deterioration of international law. The convention against the use of mercenaries is circumvented by using the term contractors for companies like Blackwater or XE, the conventions against torture are circumvented by the use of constructs such as enhanced interrogation techniques, the principles of the Treaty of Westphalia and the UN Charter which define the sovereignty of nations and the principle of non-interference into the internal affairs of sovereign states are circumvented by constructing the terms Humanitarian Intervention and Responsibility to Protect. Both social scientists, lawyers as well as medical doctors and psychologists are actively taking part in circumventing these laws with extreme atrocities and human suffering as a consequence. What is your response to this development from the perspective of a philosopher of science, and from your perspective as life long advocate for peace, justice and truth?

James H. Fetzer: I find it astonishing at the lawlessness that has been engendered by the Bush/Cheney administration by its violations of international law, the UN Charter, and even the US Constitution, with regard to its invasions and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq in its attempts to take control of the natural resources of those nations–including oil, most obviously, in the case of Iraq and, less obviously, in the case of Afghanistan, precious metals, including one of the world’s greatest deposits of lithium, used in computers, nuclear triggers, and for electric car batteries. The invasion of Afghanistan began less than one month after 9/11, on 7 October 2001, which had to have been planned well in advance, even though discussion, even at cabinet meetings, was focused on Iraq. The PATRIOT Act was passed with the assistance of the anthrax attacks on Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschel, who wanted to hold hearings about it but which never came to pass. I do not know of anyone who actually read it before voting on it. And it turns out that Cheney was running an assassination ring out of his own office, which was revealed by Seymour Hersh. I wrote about it in “Has Cheney been murdering Americans?” and later in Veterans Today. One target was Sen. Paul Wellstone, whose death I have research extensively. See “The Sen. Wellstone Assassination” (YouTube) and “The NTSB Failed Wellstone”. Others appear to have included Pat Tillman, Beverly Eckert, and (even) Mike Connell, an anti-abortion fanatic who had assisted Karl Rove in stealing the 2004 election by manipulating the vote but was going to testify about it.


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Christof Lehmann: Dr. Fetzer, in a recent article Dr. Henry Kissinger argued that a military intervention in Syria might not violate the provisions of the Treaty of Westphalia which regulates the sovereignty of nations and the principle of non-interference into the internal affairs of sovereign nations. Kissinger is arguing that the borders of most countries in the Middle East have been arbitrarily drawn by the former colonial powers. The only exceptions, so Kissinger, are Iran, Egypt and Turkey, who all have a long documented history that predates European colonialism. While Kissinger explicitly argues that an intervention in Syria would not violate the provisions of the Treaty of Westphalia, he fails to mention Israel, which also has borders that have been arbitrarily drawn by former colonial powers and while Israel time and time again uses disproportionate military force against Palestinians. As a philosopher of science, what do you have to say about Kissinger’s reasoning, and what would you say about the legitimacy of the state of Israel?

James H. Fetzer: Henry Kissinger has become a mouthpiece for the Council on Foreign Relations and other entities that exert excessive control over US politics and especially foreign relations, rivaled only by the influence of Israel and its representatives who lobby Congress to promote its interests at the expense of those of the United States. The Bushes have long had the policy of using other people’s money to make themselves handsome profits, just as Israel wants to use another nation’s resources to conduct its dirty work for it. The infestation of American administrations, especially in the Department of Defense, was instrumental in planning and staging 9/11, where the agenda was oil, Israel, and ideology–in this case, that of the Project for the New American Century. Israel wanted to weaker the strong, sophisticated Arab states, especially Iraq, to acquire uncontested domination of the Middle East, which neo-cons such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, Donald Feith, and others–with the intellectual support of Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer–promoted the Zionist agenda, even though its was not in the best interests of the United States. My first political speech addressed this issue during a Ron Paul “Freedom Rally” on the grass of the Capitol of the United States on 15 April 2008, which would be published with the title, “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”, where I explained that it was irresponsible to allow persons with dual citizenship to hold decision-making and policy-formulating positions and call for the resignation from government of anyone with joint citizenship, including US-Israeli, since no once could possibly know their allegiance to the other nation did not outweigh their allegiance to the US, which was clearly the case here.


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Christof Lehmann: We are today witnessing an almost Orwellian control over the political information that is provided to populations through main stream media. During the Iraq war the U.S. Defense Department send daily talking points and advise on how to spin certain information to so-called specialists and experts who were used by the American main stream media. We see the Pentagon annually investing in the British BBC. There are serious doubts whether the news footage about the events on 9/11 has been manipulated. War correspondents are embedded with the American troops. In other words, since electronic mass media have become widespread the function of control over populations has shifted from control over the body by brute force to control over the mind. Are we today living in the worlds largest prison, the prison of our mind, and if so, what are the consequences and what can we do to break free?

James H. Fetzer: William Colby, a former Director of the CIA, observed that the agency owns everyone of significance in the major media; and before him, Bill Casey, Ronald Reagan’s campaign manager, who arranged for Iran to keep the hostages until after the inauguration of his client, thereby depriving Jimmy Carter of a well-deserved reelection, and who became Reagan’s director, explained to its members that the agency would have proven its success when everything Americans believe is false! Today more accurate information about current affairs and foreign relations can be found on Russia Today and Press TV than in The New York Times or The Washington Post. Even small papers, like the Duluth News-Tribune, appears to have been infiltrated, where it requires a certain degree of sophistication to surf the web to find sources of information that can be compared with other sources to figure out what’s going on. Your own nsnbc has proven to be one such source, where I must complement you on the excellence of your reporting. Sorting out the authentic from fabricated evidence has proven to be the key to understanding what happened to JFK and the atrocities of 9/11. See, for example, “9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings I and II”, “Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle”, and “9/11 and Zion: What was Israel’s role?” On JFK, see MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000), THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX (2003), and articles on Veterans Today.

Christof Lehmann: Dr. Fetzer, I am recalling a conference of more than one hundred and twenty scholars from over one hundred countries at Harvard in 1997. The general consensus then was that the ruling elites of the countries which are comprising the so-called third world perceive the USA as the single greatest threat to their societies. While the majority of these nations ruling elites did not perceive the USA as a direct military threat, almost all of them perceived the USA as a menace to the integrity of their society, their autonomy, freedom and prosperity. The average perception of the USA was that of an interventionist, hegemonic, exploitative and hypocritical nation that implied double standards in what was generally described as financial and intellectual colonialism. Do you believe that this perception of the USA is correct and if yes, why ? What do you believe, are the long-term consequences of this perception of the USA with regards to international peace and justice and do you believe that the recent world-wide popular protests against the anti-Islam movie ”Innocence of Muslims” is related to this perception of the USA ?


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James H. Fetzer: It is tragic to report that the US and Israel have come the greatest aggressor nations in the world today. Go back to our intervention in Chile, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, and now Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syrian and Iran. Gen. Wesley Clark, our former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces Europe, has reported that, after 9/11, he was presented with a plan to topple the governments of seven countries in the Middle East and Africa in the next five years. The assault on Libya by NATO was an especially striking example of the perversion of an organization that was originally conceived to provide a collective response to a Soviet invasion of Europe but have been perverted into an instrument of US aggression. It was obvious something was wrong with the “uprising” in Libya when the first act of the “rebel” group was to found a new central bank. The Israelis have a long history of “false flag” attacks, which extend from the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946 to the attempt to sink the USS Liberty in 1967 and up to multiple events in Argentina (which I have written about with Adrian Salbuchi, “False Flag attacks in Argentina: 1992 and 1994″), where 9/11 was the most spectacular of them all. With the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991, the military-industrial-intelligence complex needed a new boogie man to keep the money for armaments and ammunition flowing. What better than a shadowy terrorist organization that could be claimed to have performed “terrorist attacks” at an time it would be useful for them to occur? They created the perfect villain in Osama and al Qaeda, where bin Laden was “our man” in Afghanistan and al Qaeda, such as it was, assisted in driving the Soviets from that country with our assistance.

Christof Lehmann: At closing, Dr. Fetzer, what is in your opinion the most important message you want to convey to young aspiring scholars in the USA and throughout the world today?

James H. Fetzer: Take nothing for granted, especially when it comes to your own government. Even those we most want to trust have demonstrated their capacity to deploy false information for political purposes. In relation to the US, THE WARREN REPORT (1964) and THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT (2004) are sterling examples. In relation to the UK, “7/7 Ripple Effect” and TERROR ON THE TUBE (2009) have shredded the “official account” and demonstrated the complicity of the government, where an alleged “anti-terror drill” was taken live with patsies in the wings. My own experience being interviewed by the BBC revealed its methods of deception, which I have documented in “The BBC’s instrument of 9/11 misinformation”. The control of information is cheaper and more effective than the use of standing armies, which makes it the preferred method of controlling a nation’s population. But other techniques are always available, as necessary and appropriate. For stunning evidence of the absence of a domestic terrorist threat in the US, see “Fusion and Fear in America: The non-existent ‘terrorist threat’”. Yet the preparations for military action agains the civilian population proceed unabated. For more, see “Homeland Security: Preparing for Massive Civil War”. The parallels with the rise of The Third Reich are both astounding and disturbing. I am sorry to say that we live in an Orwellian world where black is white, false is true, and the good are evil. We live in dangerous times.

Christof Lehmann: Dr. Fetzer, thank you very much for the interview.

nsnbc is a news-media, established on 28 August 2011 with the purpose to break corporate or state controlled medias embargo on truth. nsnbc publishes articles from journalists, authors and experts from all continents. nsnbc was established and is edited by Dr. Christof Lehmann with the intention to bring you daily no-spin reporting, in depth analysis and opinion from throughout the world. nsnbc is politically independent.

 

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21 Comments for “Interview with Philosopher of Science Dr. James Henry Fetzer”

  1. This is bizarre. No evidence, then. Just wild lists of people who are assumed to be Jewish – including John Bolton ffs, just to make it damn obvious to anyone prepared to critically assess these claims that this one’s bogus.

  2. If anyone has an earlier example of the ‘dual citizen’ line coming up in 9/11 research I’d be grateful if they post it here. The Skolnick article, ‘Under The ‘Blairing’ Satanic Rock’ was published 7/29/2003.

    • Dual Citizenship — Loyal to Whom?
      American / Isreali Dual Citizens Running the American Government
      http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/dual-us-israeli-citizens-running-american-government/

      Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
      Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
      Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
      Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
      Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
      National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
      Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
      White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
      Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
      Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
      U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
      Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
      UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
      Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
      Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
      Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
      Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
      Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
      Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
      White House Political Director – Ken Melman
      National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
      Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
      Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
      National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
      President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
      Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
      Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
      White House Speechwriter – David Frum
      White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
      Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
      Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
      Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
      Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis

  3. Incidentally, and this may be of especial interests after Lenny Bloom’s recent appearance on your show where his pro-Jewish, anti-’gentile’ biases were quite evident, the earliest source I can find for this claim that important members of the cabal around Bush responsible for aspects of 9/11 were ‘dual citizens’ is Bloom’s longtime conspindustry partner Sherman Skolnick.

    In a piece designed to do precisely what I propose this myth is designed to do: shift the blame from Jews to ‘gentiles’ and especially ‘antisemites’, Skolnick wrote in 2003,

    “[Bush] also toys with the idea of rebuking the numerous advisors surrounding him who have Jewish sounding surnames that may not be apart of that religion. Some are dual citizens, U.S./Israel.”

    • Dual US / Israeli Citizens Running American Government « The …
      http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/dual-us-israeli-citizens-running-american-government/
      Apr 3, 2008 – Many people read articles against Zionism and inaccurately consider it against Jewish people. Zionists are an elite group, aligned with one …

      When one passport isn’t enough – CNN.com
      http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/04/us/dual-nationals/index.html
      by Maria LaMagna – More by Maria LaMagna
      Jul 4, 2012 – It’s nearly impossible to estimate how many U.S. citizens are dual … From the time of the Constitutional Convention, the U.S. government has … As an Israeli citizen, Pester would have been required to serve in the Israeli army.

      Israel, the West Bank and Gaza – Bureau of Consular Affairs – US …
      http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1064.html
      Israeli-Americans: The Government of Israel considers U.S. citizens who also hold Israeli citizenship or have a claim to dual nationality to be Israeli citizens for …

      List of Politicians with Israeli Dual Citizenship – | Facebook
      http://www.facebook.com/…israeli…citizenship-/175479365845092
      Jonathan Jay Pollard was an American-Israeli citizen who worked for the US government. He is well known because he stole more secrets from the U.S. than …

      Dual U.S.- Israeli Citizens in Government
      http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1991683/pg1
      26 posts – 2 authors – Sep 17
      Does anyone feel uncomfortable with the number of high-ranking US Government officials that are dual U.S.- Israeli citizens?

      Dual Citizenship — Should we be worried?
      http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
      Jonathan Jay Pollard [right] was an American-Israeli citizen who worked for the US government. He is well known because he stole more secrets from the U.S. …

      Financial Planning for Olim from the U.S.
      http://www.nbn.org.il
      › Aliyahpedia › Finances › Financial PlanningEven Israeli resident taxpayers with no assets in the U.S. are considered to have … it hard to give up U.S. citizenship, especially if the U.S. Government suspects …

      Dual US / Israeli Citizens Runni
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      Israel Israel connection to 911, Iraq and Afghanistan wars Israel control of USA government. Dual US / Israeli Citizens Running American Government …

  4. Well, you’re a busy guy doing important work. No problem.

    I don’t need any evidence for Israeli culpability. I go further than you and would blame Jews (not Israelis) even for the crimes of Cheney and Rumsfeld, where it’s clear to me that they were acting in the best interests of the Jews they were associated with and against the best interests of Americans like themselves and would do so only as a result of Jewish subversion. This doesn’t mean I would let Cheney and Rumsfeld off the hook, but I would describe 9/11 as a specifically Jewish crime despite the participation of these European American puppets.

    I would, however, like to see some evidence that Pearl, Feith, Zakheim etc. are dual citizens. This a common belief among 9/11 dissidents prepared to entertain the idea at all of Israeli culpability, but it is not knowledge. You of all people should understand this. We’re all just repeating what someone else has said. I did it myself for years, even though I had never heard anyone cite any credible evidence for the claim.

    On a recent show Kevin Barrett said that the myth of zero Jews dying on 9/11 at the WTC may have been started by Jews to discredit the 9/11 researchers who picked it up and ran with it and discredit any theories which identified Jews among the guilty parties. If the dual citizens claim is similarly unsupported I think the same thing is going on here, where it’s clear that Jews benefit by having believers limit the scope of their blame to Israeli-connected Jews, and benefit also where sceptics check out the claim and find it wanting.

    • Nick,

      Do you do any research of your own on questions like this? Have you done a search on “US/Israeli citizens in US government”, for example? Have you visited “All the proof in the world–Israel did 9/11″? I personally regard this as a matter of common knowledge. What I don’t understand is your skepticism. See “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”.

      Jim

  5. No response as yet, just like duff. Maybe Dr Fetzer does have a better source on the ‘dual citizen’ claim and is just struggling to put his finger on it. I hope so. I have no expectation that duff would ever back up more than about 1% of what he says but I put Dr Fetzer in an altogether different and superior class of journalist/researcher.

    It could be that my other comments – about there being a more general Jewish rather than just a Zionist problem – made him think my post was not worth replying to, ‘antisemitism’ and whatnot. But I’d urge him to consider the matter seriously. If there is no evidence these guys are dual citizens, it can only do harm to his cause to keep repeating the charge. And if there is no such evidence, and he has a problem with my suggestions as to why the charge is so often made despite there being no such evidence, then he should try and provide a more credible explanation.

    • Nick, my apologies. I thought I had replied some time ago, but apparently not. Check out my article, “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”, the book by Christopher Bollyn, articles by Alan Sabrosky, and the web site, “Israel did 9/11–all the proof in the world!” Let me know if you find enough proof there to be convinced. None of us is fantasizing and I even regard this point as a matter of common knowledge. Another article of mine, “Is 9/11 research ‘anti-Semitic’?” may be of interest. The ADL, by the way, has attacked me, Gordon Duff, Alan Sabrosky, and Kevin Barrett as “anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theorists”, which is some kind of honor, all things considered. I regard us as “conspiracy realists”, not “conspiracy theorists”, but that is such a useful semantic club that they (the ADL) could not resist its employment. Post again if you remain unconvinced, but a search should turn up more. Check out Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl, Donald Fieth, Dov Zakheim, Michael Chertoff, and others for more, especially those who supported The Project for the New American Century and let me know what you find.

  6. The abcnews mention of ‘dual citizens’ comes in the comments, the wikipedia ‘Clean Break’ page no longer contains the word ‘dual’ – presumably someone believing the dual citizen claim had once edited the page to include the charge. The rest of the pages are conspiracy sites that simply make the claim without backing it up. There’s a problem here. People seem to be repeating a line without cheking it out for truth. Or perhaps you have a better source for the claim? I’m open to the view that Chertoff and co. really are dual citizens, but on the other hand I haven’t seen any real evidence for it. And like I say, I wonder if we’re not being manipulated.

    Some of what I wrote in the other thread:

    The claim is often made that many of these characters have dual citizenship, but I’ve never seen it backed up. Besides, what is the reason [they would take dual citizenship]? Simply for being Jews these guys could reliably expect to find sanctuary in Israel should they be required to flee the US. No other obvious benefit obtains of dual citizenship, but there are obvious PR down-sides.

    Sometimes claims are promoted within the conspindustry that do not stand up to a basic fact-check, turning intelligent and resourceful people away from the truth as a whole when they find popular movement claims lacking. The Nazis burned the Reichstag in a false-flag operation … that kind of thing. I wonder if the ‘dual citizens’ claim is another example. Perhaps I’m wrong.

    If the dual citizen claim that we hear routinely from conspindustry writers and broadcasters is bogus and without any foundation whatsoever then its ubiquity suggests it was deliberately embedded into the standard ‘alternative’ debate lore and kept alive by constant repetition.

    It could not happen except by design that so many people in the ‘truth’ movement believe something that’s apparently without foundation. Among a community dedicated to sceptical research such claims could only thrive owing to sustained efforts of people positioned at critical nodes to circulate and popularise these myths and turn them into concrete, unchallenged ‘facts’ through forceful repetition.

    I can think of at least two benefits to disseminating this kind of false claim. The first I outlined above: a significant proportion of the more intelligent and grounded readers/listeners will check out these claims for themselves and find them lacking an evidential basis. This alienates some of the smart and principled fraction that would prove most valuable to any real truth seeking endeavour. The second benefit accrues from the narrative content and message of the lie when others do believe it. In the case of the dual citizenship claim for example, the real problem – of Jews running American policy for Jewish interests, something that happens across the board including over domestic matters – would be obscured and the problem reframed as one of unwelcome Israeli influence over specific foreign policy issues. See for example … the general anti-Zionist but anti-anti-semitic tenor of this site. /endquote

    There’s another obvious reason for disseminating this myth if myth is what is: when exposed it would tend to discredit all research linking Jews and Israel to 9/11 and shore up the general taboo on discussing Jewish power and crimes.

  7. No doubt this seems like yet another comment designed to make trouble and confusion – after all, we’ve all heard the ‘fact’ stated so many times – but I wonder if Dr Fetzer could provide some evidence for his belief in the ‘dual citizen’ problem. Other people who are not in a position to know stating as he does that Chertoff et al are dual citizens would not count as evidence.

    It’s not that I want to dispute Jewish or Israeli culpability in 9/11, I just want research into 9/11 and the Jewish question generally to be accurate, and I’m also concerned that this claim, if false, is planted for a reason and is designed to ultimately benefit the people being accused and their schemes.

    I went into this in a duff thread: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/gladio-how-we-terrorized-ourselves-archival/

    • I am not quite sure what you are asking me. How much research have you done on this question? There’s a lot out there:

      Dual Citizenship — Should we be worried?
      http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.htmlSo, you might ask, are there any other dual Israel-American citizens who hold US … Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. ….. Those who are right wing (“neo-cons”) are often accused as in your article of immorally …

      Neocons and Dual Loyalist Jews in Washington, D.C. Now Hold …
      http://www.propagandamatrix.com/180903neocons.htmlMarxist, Trotskyites, and other Jewish Neocons … In fact, many are dual citizens. That is, they are formally citizens of two countries—Israel and the U.S.A.—at the … Paul Wolfowitz, who monitors the work of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

      The War For Israel – Barack Obama – Zionist Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing
      http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.htmlIsrael and the United States have set up a joint command post next to the U.S. … Israel is now conducting assassinations of American citizens on American soil under … Here is a list of the Israeli Zionist Cabal or “neocons” as they are also known: ….. The Vice-Resident was defense secretary under Bush I and was calling for …

      Mini-Me: Dr. Steve Pieczenik on War in Middle East from 25 …
      http://www.phibetaiota.net/…/mini-me-dr-steve-pieczenik-on-war-in-middl…Sep 25, 2012 – As best we can tell, the Secretary of Defense, a stalwart Roman Catholic, … and dual dual US-Israeli citizens and remaining neocons are up to …

      IS THIS ZIONIST NEW WORLD ORDER REALLY NEW?
      http://www.u-r-next.com/zionists-3.htmlJUST ASK US/ISRAEL DUAL CITIZEN AND DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND … Go and ask US Attorney General MICHAEL MUKASEY, Pentagon Defense Policy …. by the neo-cons, and now President Bush has nominated him to become the …

      The Good News About God – Telling the Truth and Exposing Lies
      http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/The Israeli government’s plan is to annihilate all Arabs in the same way they are … founded in 1946 as a division of the U.S.
      Department of Health and Human ….. has the right to cross-examine the witness/accuser, and e) TRUTH is a defense. ….. prominent neo-cons have dual citizenship: Israel and the U.S. William Kristol, …

      Who’s Advising Mitt Romney on Foreign Policy? – ABC News
      abcnews.go.com/…/whos-advising-mitt-romney-on-foreign-policy/Sep 12, 2012 – Senor is the former spokesman for the American government in Iraq (the … Marc Gerecht from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. …. The fact that knowing globalist/”neo con” insiders and conspirators like … coddle Israel as if they all had dual citizenship (that an exaggeration, only about 70% do): …

      A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm – Wikipedia …
      en.wikipedia.org/…/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing…Former United States Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle was the ” Study … a “comprehensive peace” with the entire Arab world, Israel should work jointly with … while killing tens of thousands of its own citizens at a time, as it did in only …. authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively …

      9/11 and Zion: What Was Israel’s Role? | CounterPsyOps
      counterpsyops.com/2012/09/22/911-and-zion-what-was-israels-role/Sep 22, 2012 – He was sworn in as the Under-Secretary of Defense and Chief Financial … ties to the Israeli government, holding dual Israeli-American citizenship [3]. ….. Apart from top Jewish Neo-cons Henry Kissinger and Richard Perle as …

      US-Israeli Dual Citizenship: Loyal to Whom? – Conspiracy Planet
      http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid…contentid…If the rabid Likudists and the vicious Neocons don’t like it here and view themselves as …. So, you might ask, are there any other dual Israel-American citizens who hold US … Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon.

  8. Howard T.Lewis III

    Hey hey hey!!! Dr.Fetzer may have poor eye resolution since birth, but he is NO SLOUCH when it comes to devotion to God and country and nailing down truths with his research. In this field, he ranks #1. He got his Phd. from a state accredited high quality university. I checked. Yes, the word ‘pompous’ did cross my mind when Dr. Fetzer critiqued my input at ’9/11 Illusions,Special Effects,and Other Magic Tricks.@ Veterans Today’. Here it comes again. These are new technologies we are up against. I MYSELF saw a UFO hologram demonstration above Seattle just before the 1988 Star Trek convention. No one else saw it that I could find. I knew one of the people who did it. Weirdest thing I have ever seen. The person was a high school friend of mine. We ripped off a burned up coffin once and did some later night street theater before leaving it cleaned up at a funeral home.. We also stuffed a tennis ball with a Coca Cola can wadding in the base cannon in case they used it for the Fort ____ base closing ceremony. It was aimed at the front door of the M.P.station. They did not. Good fun.
    Note the damage to the buildings as the lady and two others are seen standing looking out. See the huge gouge taken from the floor just above her head. Those ‘artists most likely complimented the homing beacon and sprayed on ordnance, whatever it was, with an accelerant to assure the jets were met by steel panels of sublimated steel. Note the clean panel by panel disappearances and note my sworn statement of a computerized demolition system being installed as the WTCs went up. Also note my sworn statement that this system was mandated by Bush(under Nixon who was under Prescott who tried to overthrow the U.S.back in 1933) cabal people and Rockefeller friendlies in the NYC/NJ Port Authority. The Chicago Willis tower is still loaded, nukes probably removed by now. I documented all these set ups back in 1969-1971 per orders. I got feces thrown at me then, also. It was and is insane what they did. I keep running into specifications which say the external steel panels and flange pieces making up the cores above the 60th floor were made of 1/4″ high alloy steel. 1/4″ steel would be easy to sublimate with sprayed on ordnance and successful electronic ignition, much more difficult with old thermite, if thermite even exists beyond casual prose. It is bad enough having Bush cabal people running the military, let alone give the Bush civilians any info about explosives.
    There are many details which require note taking, since without these details present, the correct logical conclusions cannot be reached. That electrical engineer on the ‘A&E for 911 Truth’ movie has some confessing to do. All the ‘hologram videos’ are sloppy but up to date MSphotoshop. See the video material of the people waving from the jets’ entry points. Closely note the damage panel by panel(and mangled light aluminum). I do NOT remember what type of explosive was sprayed on to compliment the directional charges and nukes.I do readily recall successfully documenting this preset so my father could bailout of the project without being sued and losing his job. Help us find conformation that the bin Laden company of Saudi Arabia installed the demolition system, minus the nukes which were installed by a US/USSR cooperation. I should have saved my 1969-1971 research. Now we must look for torn out Tables of Contents and articles. Nixon and Bush41 signed the papers.
    Please do not send me any secret stuff. I am working on fingering my third Israeli stalker. My computer is more hacked than Lizzy Borden’s parents. I know about the lobbying to stop the presets and have communicated this. These guys really believe and need reprogramming. See the other top rank research by Dr. Fetzer. I find the pompous to be most motivational. They teach you that as a motivational technique while one learns the job of being a professor. We need to convince and disprove. there is a BUNCH of MSphotoshopped videos of jets supposedly striking a WTC building. Lots of liars and three-card baiters too.

  9. Howard T.Lewis III

    Hey hey hey!!! Dr.Fetzer may have poor eye resolution since birth, but he is NO SLOUCH when it comes to devotion to God and country and nailing down truths with his research. In this field, he ranks #1. He got his Phd. from a state accredited high quality university. I checked. Yes, the word ‘pompous’ did cross my mind when Dr. Fetzer critiqued my input at ’9/11 Illusions,Special Effects,and Other Magic Tricks.@ Veterans Today’. Here it comes again. These are new technologies we are up against. I MYSELF saw a UFO hologram demonstration above Seattle just before the 1988 Star Trek convention. No one else saw it that I could find. I knew one of the people who did it. Weirdest thing I have ever seen. The person was a high school friend of mine. We ripped off a burned up coffin once and did some later night street theater. Also stuffed a tennis ball with a Coca Cola can wadding in the base cannon in case they used it for the Fort ____ base closing ceremony. They did not. Good fun.
    Note the damage to the buildings as the lady and two others are seen standing looking out. See the huge gouge taken from the floor just above her head.Those ‘artists most likely complimented the homing beacon and sprayed on ordnance, whatever it was, with an accelerant to assure the jets were met by steel panels of sublimated steel. Note the clean panel by panel disappearances and note my sworn statement of a computerized demolition system being installed as the WTCs went up. Also note my sworn statement that this system was mandated by Bush(under Nixon who was under Prescott who tried to overthrow the U.S.back in 1933) cabal people and Rockefeller friendliesin the NYC/NJPort Authority. The Chicago Willis tower is stillloaded, nukes probably removed by now. i documanted all these set upsback in 1969-1971 per orders. i got feces thrown at me then,also.It was and is insane what they did. Ikeep running into specifications which say the external steel panels and flange pieces making up the cores were made of 1/4″ high alloy steel. 1/4″ steel would be easy to sublimate with sprayed on ordnance and successful electronic ignition, much more difficult with old thermite,if thermite even exists beyond casual prose. It is bad enough having Bush cabal people running the military, let alone give the Bush civilians any info about explosives.
    There are many details which require note taking, since without these details present, the correct logical conclusions cannot be reached. That electrical engineer on the ‘A&E for 911 Truth’ movie has some confessing to do. All the ‘hologram videos’ are sloppy but up to date MSphotoshop. See the video material of the people waving from the jets’ entry points. Closely note the damage panel by panel(and mangled light aluminum). I do NOT remember what type of explosive was sprayed on to compliment the directional charges and nukes.I do readily recall successfully documenting this preset so my father could bailout of the project without being sued and losing his job. Help us find conformation that the bin Laden company of Saudi Arabia installed the demolition system, minus the nukes which were installed by a US/USSR cooperation. I should have saved my 1969-1971 research. Now we must look for torn out Tables of Contents and articles. Nixon and Bush41signed the papers.
    Please do not send me any secret stuff. I am on fingering my third Israeli stalker. My computer is more hacked than Lizzy Borden’s parents. I know about the lobbying to stop thepresets and have communicated this. These guys really believe and need reprogramming. See the other top rank research by Dr. Fetzer. I find the pompous to be most motivational.They teach you that as a motivational technique to become a professor. We need to convince and disprove. there is a BUNCH of MSphotoshopped videos of jets supposedly striking a building. Lots of liars and three-card baiters too.

  10. a true philosophical mind being put to good use, a rarity in today’s world… thank you doc

  11. duay khwaam nap theuu

    When I was editor of the college newspaper, long before internet days, there were one or two “news services” who supplied stories of interest. If such services still exist–or “start your own”–this is an example of quality material which could be offered along with political cartoons etc. A few minutes examining such of today’s publications might open a path that could be explored. Letters to the editor are also good, most especially addressing an article they’ve just published or issue on the minds of students. Even spotting a “like minded” author who writes for your local university or college and offering something she could read on an issue… They might use it in a future article. Opportunity for alumni?

  12. Wonderful, insightful, and solid inductive methodology .hopefully enough people are being educated to think more along these lines . great basis for real ‘ pre-crime ‘ analysis , and kudos to VT for being proactive in the matters of timely exposure . My friends & family are tired of my ‘analyze the situation ‘ mantra & assume i have marginalized myself by thinking such thoughts ,however i have VT & a few other sources for shots across the bow of the USS Hypocrisy .

  13. Nothing conquers truth. Much admiration for your work Prof Fetzer.

  14. good interview. power to your elbow, Jim! and Christof.

  15. Mr. Fetzer,
    Thank you for your efforts to continue to bring truth and reason to us all. Very few in the land of the brave, are brave enough to challenge the absurd and pathetic blatherings that are the “official” accounts of JFK and 911. You are.
    Thank you, sir!

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