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Uri Avnery – The UN Palestinian Vote

 

The Old Man of Israel Has His Say about the Big Day

 

              … by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor                     … featuring Uri Avnery

 

Uri Avnery – Still Going Strong Past 85 Now

I love Uri Avnery for his faith, vision, patience…and obstinance.

As you will read below, after the 1948 war he was only one of a handful of people on the planet who foresaw that the Palestinians would have to have their own state for their ever to be peace.

It’s hard for me to put myself in his shoes under those circumstances, hunkering down and begin the long march.

You will notice quite a celebration mode in his Palestinian UN vote piece. He deserves this for his four decades of work.

And although Gordon and I are a generation behind him, his kids’ ages, we are old enough to have an appreciation for having stayed on the planet long enough to see something that you hoped you would before crossing the River Styx.

It’s been a long tragic journey, with bodies strewn along both sides of the road…one side with many more than the other. I regret to say that with the Likuds in power, who have even knuckled down and purged their moderates, they will certainly resort to more killing if they see the peace process picking up too much steam.

And by killing I do not necessarily mean their Palestinian landlords to whom they pay their rent in lead. If a pile of dead Israelis would do the trick, they are not above providing ‘an incident’ to deliver those. And if push came to shove, they always have theie deep freezer of corpses to thaw out and blow up as suicide bomber victims.

Because Uri was there before the 1948 war, fought in it, and became a peace activist when that was a rough road to travel, he gives us a rear view window look that only someone who has ‘been there, and done that’ can do. Wisdom does tend to go with age, it’s main blessing.

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The Strong and the Sweet

 

Uri Avnery         December 1, 2012

 

The Votes of Many – Against the Votes of Few

IT WAS a day of joy.

Joy for the Palestinian people.

Joy for all those who hope for peace between Israel and the Arab world.

And, in a modest way, for me personally.

The General Assembly of the United Nations, the highest world forum, has voted overwhelmingly for the recognition of the State of Palestine, though in a limited way.

The resolution adopted by the same forum 65 years ago to the day, to partition historical Palestine between a Jewish and an Arab state, has at long last been reaffirmed.

I HOPE I may be excused a few moments of personal celebration.

During the war of 1948, which followed the first resolution, I came to the conclusion that there exists a Palestinian people and that the establishment of a Palestinian state, next to the new State of Israel, is the prerequisite for peace.

As a simple soldier, I fought in dozens of engagements against the Arab inhabitants of Palestine. I saw how dozens of Arab towns and villages were destroyed and left deserted. Long before I saw the first Egyptian soldier, I saw the people of Palestine (who had started the war) fight for what was their homeland.

Before the war, I hoped that the unity of the country, so dear to both peoples, could be preserved. The war convinced me that reality had smashed this dream forever.

Uri in the Siani – 1948

I was still in uniform when, in early 1949, I tried to set up an initiative for what is now called the Two-State Solution. I met with two young Arabs in Haifa for this purpose. One was a Muslim Arab, the other a Druze sheik. Both became members of the Knesset before me.

At the time, it looked like mission impossible. “Palestine” had been wiped off the map. 78% of the country had become Israel, the other 22% divided between Jordan and Egypt.

The very existence of a Palestinian people was vehemently denied by the Israeli establishment, indeed, the denial became an article of faith.

Much later, Golda Meir famously declared that “there is no such thing as a Palestinian people”. Respected charlatans wrote popular books “proving” that the Arabs in Palestine were pretenders who had only recently arrived. The Israeli leadership was convinced that the “Palestinian problem” had disappeared, once and forever.

In 1949, there were not a hundred persons in the entire world who believed in this solution. Not a single country supported it. The Arab countries still believed that Israel would just disappear. Britain supported its client state, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The US had its own local strongmen. Stalin’s Soviet Union supported Israel.

Mine was a lonely fight. For the next 40 years, as the editor of a news magazine, I brought the subject up almost every week. When I was elected to the Knesset, I did the same there.

In 1968 I went to Washington DC, in order to propagate the idea there. I was politely received by the relevant officials in the State Department (Joseph Sisco), the White House (Harold Saunders), the US mission to the UN (Charles Yost), leading Senators and Congressmen, as well as the British father of Resolution 242 (Lord Caradon). The uniform answer from all of them, without exception: a Palestinian state was out of question.

When I published a book devoted to this solution, the PLO in Beirut attacked me in 1970 in a book entitled “Uri Avnery and Neo-Zionism”.

Today, there is a world consensus that a solution of the conflict without a Palestinian state is quite out of the question.

So why not celebrate now? WHY NOW? WHY didn’t it happen before or later?

If Jews were being bombed like this, America would send all its military to stope it

Because of the Pillar of Cloud, the historic masterpiece from Binyamin Netanyahu, Ehud Barak and Avigdor Lieberman.

The Bible tells us about Samson the hero, who rent a lion with his bare hands. When he returned to the scene, a swarm of bees had made the carcase of the lion its home and produced honey.

So Samson posed a riddle to the Philistines: “Out of the strong came forth sweetness”. This is now a Hebrew proverb.

Well, out of the “strong” Israeli operation against Gaza, sweetness has indeed come forth. It is another confirmation of the rule that when you start a war or a revolution, you never know what will come out of it.

One of the results of the operation was that the prestige and popularity of Hamas shot sky-high, while the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas sank to new depths. That was a result the West could not possibly tolerate.

A defeat of the “moderates” and a victory for the Islamic “extremists” were a disaster for President Barack Obama and the entire Western camp. Something had to found – with all urgency – to provide Abbas with a resounding achievement.

Fortunately, Abbas was already on the way to obtain UN approval for the recognition of Palestine as a “state” (though not yet as a full member of the world organization). For Abbas, it was a move of despair. Suddenly, it became a beacon of victory.

THE COMPETITION between the Hamas and Fatah movements is viewed as a disaster for the Palestinian cause. But there is also another way to look at it.

Let’s go back to our own history. During the 30s and 40s, our Struggle for Liberation (as we called it) split between two camps, who hated each other with growing intensity.

Ben-Gurion – with Uri in the Knesset

On the one side was the “official” leadership, led by David Ben-Gurion, represented by the “Jewish Agency” which cooperated with the British administration. Its military arm was the Haganah, a very large, semi-official militia, mostly tolerated by the British.

On the other side was the Irgun (“National Military Organization”), the far more radical armed wing of the nationalist “revisionist” party of Vladimir Jabotinsky. It split and yet another, even more radical, organization was born. The British called it “the Stern Gang”, after its leader, Avraham Stern”.

The enmity between these organizations was intense. For a time, Haganah members kidnapped Irgun fighters and turned them over to the British police, who tortured them and sent them to camps in Africa.

A bloody fratricidal war was avoided only because the Irgun leader, Menachem Begin, forbade all actions of revenge. By contrast, the Stern people bluntly told the Haganah that they would shoot anyone trying to attack their members.

In retrospect, the two sides can be seen as acting as the two arms of the same body. The “terrorism” of the Irgun and Stern complemented the diplomacy of the Zionist leadership. The diplomats exploited the achievements of the fighters.

In order to counterbalance the growing popularity of the “terrorists”, the British made concessions to Ben-Gurion. A friend of mine called the Irgun “the shooting agency of the Jewish Agency”.

In a way, this is now the situation in the Palestinian camp.

FOR YEARS, the Israeli government has threatened Abbas with the most dire consequences if he dared to go to the UN. Abolishing the Oslo agreement and destroying the Palestinian authority was the bare minimum. Lieberman called the move “diplomatic terrorism”.

And now? Nothing. Not a bang and barely a whimper. Even Netanyahu understands that the Pillar of Cloud has created a situation where world support for Abbas has become inevitable.

What to do? Nothing! Pretend the whole thing is a joke. Who cares? What is this UNO anyway? What difference does it make?

Netanyahu – Can you fee the love?

Netanyahu is more concerned about another thing that happened to him this week. In the Likud primary elections, all the “moderates” in his party were unceremoniously kicked out.

No liberal, democratic alibi was left. The Likud-Beitenu faction in the next Knesset will be composed entirely of right-wing extremists, among them several outright fascists, people who want to destroy the independence of the Supreme Court, cover the West Bank densely with settlements and prevent peace and a Palestinian state by all possible means.

While Netanyahu is sure to win the coming elections and continue to serve as Prime Minister, he is too clever not to realize where he is now: a hostage to extremists, liable to be thrown out by his own Knesset faction if he so much as mentions peace, to be displaced at any time by Lieberman or worse.

ON FIRST sight, nothing much has changed. But only on first sight.

What has happened is that the foundation of the State of Palestine has now been officially acknowledged as the aim of the world community. The “Two-State solution” is now the only solution on the table. The “One-State solution”, if it ever lived, is as dead as the dodo.

Of course, the apartheid one-state is reality. If nothing changes on the ground, is will become deeper and stronger. Almost every day brings news of it becoming more and more entrenched. (The bus monopoly has just announced that from now on there will be separate buses for West Bank Palestinians in Israel.)

But the quest for peace based on the co-existence between Israel and Palestine has taken a big step forwards. Unity between the Palestinians should be the next. US support for the actual creation of the State of Palestine should come soon after. The strong must lead to the sweet.

Editing:  Jim W. Dean

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43 Comments for “Uri Avnery – The UN Palestinian Vote”

  1. Still, Uri Avnery, Gideon Levy and others who act more or less like whistleblowers are far more credible, than say, you who seeks to discredit those individuals for obvious reasons. ;)

    • Could you explain that please.

    • Rahn

      You are using the same method as the zionists do, you shout an opponent down, calling him a troll, a plant, etc. The zios call others an anti-semite, a nazi, ect., and one is not better than the other.
      If you do not agree with someone tell him why, without name calling. Do you argue with your parents in the same tone?

      For your information the zionists like to have their opposition in control, therefore there are a lot of persons and blog you may call anti-semitic, but in reality they work for Tel Aviv. I could also name you people who were very anti-zionist, but they were just plants.
      You are free to trust anyone to be an anti-zionist who calls Niniyahoo an idiot, yet you may not be right. There is a proverb: “the leopard never changes its spots, it is just lighter or darker, but still is a leopard”.
      I personally like what Uri or Gideon says, but that is as far as I go.
      Just like to man from Missouri said: you told me, now show me! Words are easy to voice, deeds are needed to prove a point.

      • Tomer, you are hasbarist, too. Who do you think you’re fooling? LOL

      • Rammy

        You were not brough up, you grew up in the sewers!!
        You are what is the worse in America, someone who cannot carry on an intelliegent conversation, you become insulting in the moment someone does not agree with you. You probably get into a lot if fistfights in bars or parties, as most rednecks do.

        You say, we at VT! Who in the hell are you at VT? Suddenly you own the blog? I don´t remember seeing your name years ago.
        If I have something to say I say it and stop. You blabber all over the place, saying a lot of stupid things, insulting others. Boy, you must have a huge inferiority complex, bigger than the Pentagon, it is nice to be able to hide in the internet.

        One more thing, when you are ready to blow me one you will see I still have a foreskin.
        People like you are called peasants or proletes, depending where you are.

      • Oh please, Tomer. You sure are the victim here. Aren’t you? Aren’t you?

        I’d say I’ve proven my intelligence whereas you continually insult me and can’t take the heat. GTFO out of the kitchen, simpleton. You expect us to believe you’re counterintelligence, STATING THAT YOU ARE, while simultaneously arguing your point through mere semantics and rhetoric.

        Your “40 years of service” as you claim matches Joe Lieberman’s. Want an intelligent discussion? Don’t bring up stupid points.

  2. Mr. Avnery is right about the 2 state thing in a very salient aspect. It really is the only way that Palestine’s indigenous can escape total genocide.
    Israel is exempt from just about everything that makes a modern state a state. They are exempt from nuclear treaties, war crimes, the need for a viable economic system, real democracy, and the requirement to behave as an ally to their protectors.
    This creates a most curious condition. On one hand, Israel is not really a state, it is the projection of some of the world’s greatest fantasy trips. Israel, in all reality, is Palestine stuffed with Russian, American, and Euro immigrants, “governed” by this suspect triad. Of course, it was also the destination for thousands of African immigrants, but we know what happened to them, don’t we?
    On the other hand, Israel cannot replace the thousands of years that it was Palestine with a rogue “state”. It cannot successfully control the judgement of history, nor can it escape its own fate. The simple, basic reality is that Israel exists due to the forced, extorted tribute, blood, and exceptionalism it is able to procure for itself. History is blunt. Such conditions do not perpetuate into infinity. One must ask a simple question: How exactly can a designed rogue entity that feeds off the corpse of Palestine, that exists only as a vampire, possibly expect to be more than an unfortunate blip in human consciousness?

    • “Chosenite Holocaustianism” + Nukes = more than unfortunate blip.

    • ……..or what Noam Chomsky refers to as the standard Jewish tactic of “appearing to switch sides at the last minute” to avoid getting blamed.

      • That is exactly what Chomsky is doing all his life, after all he is a jew!!

        • And so are you, Tomer. Or at least, you will pretend you’re not.

        • Rahnameh, with all due respect I think you need to lighten up. We all agree on about 90 percent and even shachulnur agrees in large measure, although I think his victimization complex is either complete hasbara or a sign of mental illness.

          We all agree that a one-state solution called Palestine is the only legitimate answer to the only significant question here. That’s the REAL point of all this, is it not?

        • I will lighten up. I think everyone took ample note of my red flags by now. ;)

        • Fair enough. As a former engineer, it’s always healthy to assume everything is bullshit until proven otherwise. But, it’s also fair to give ethnic Jews a chance to walk away from the filthy ideology of Judaism. So, I’m willing to listen to their opinions and give them the chance to enlighten themselves.

          You and I are already converted, so I’m glad some hasbara agents are at least listening. That’s their only hope, frankly.

        • lol now we’re to believe you Zionists don’t swarm like locusts. We know there’s more than one of you here to target the truth.

          DaveE is a respected commentator. He represents a pragmatic and RIGHTFULLY indignant voice. Your plans? Spread hasbara.

          Good luck ;) We’re making a list and checking it twice.

        • The only thing I see coming out of all of this is egg on your face rahnameh – and to think I used to like your comments. Now I skim through them at best. Just a waste of time with your false red flags (no pun intended).

        • Thing is you keep speaking in plural as they do.Who is the “we” you keep going on about? I must say you sure project like they do. All I am awaiting for now is the death threats like they do – and no there are not any of them on here if you had any dealings with them at all you would know that.

  3. I think Avnery may be right about the relationship between Hamas and Fatah being similar to the way the Jews have often played warring factions (like Marxist Democrats and neocon Republicans) to effectively work for the same agenda. Maybe the Jews have taught the Palestinians a thing or two in the art of fighting dirty.

    This may work out rather well for the Palestinians if they can keep the two parties focused on their real enemy, Israel. I certainly hope so. They may even be able to expose the Jewish-run western media who seem to love to promote conflict and division between Hamas and Fatah every chance they get. Maybe in reality the parties are not that far apart, which probably scares the crap out of the Israel mob.

  4. Personally I feel Uri Avnery despite all his good intentions, fails to see the light. The writing is on the wall for the zionist entity. Eventually one state will be implemented. The CIA report about Israel’s collapse in 20 years could be a reality sooner than we think.

    • Correct, Blake.

      • I have been coming to VT for ages. With your logic you were on at the same time as both of us so you must be one as well. Disprove what I said about Uri Avnery’s contradictions instead of trying to demean me. If anything you act like their anti social shills.

        • I am well recognized here. You, on the other hand, have not been coming here for ages as you merely state.

          Uri Avnery is a repentant Irgun terrorist. He earned his credit when he became outspoken about Israel’s terrorism before you were even a blip on the radar, young hasbarist (likely an IDF cadet sitting in a classroom like…cell). I need not prove he is credible, just to point out that you’d like us to believe that he is not.

          Agenda ;)

        • No, it has nothing to do with agreeing with me. It has to do with YOUR actions. You are here to claim we should ignore the Israelis and go for the bankers. I exposed your duplicity by showing a post from MondoWeiss and comparing and contrasting with your postings here. They reflect a pivoted strategy pre and post election.

          You cannot separate the bankers from the Zionists — they are one in the same.

        • Warlord Moneybags

          Blake

          Wondered why you changed your name, at first I thought it was a Facebook thing as I saw it first in the FB section when we were all having trouble posting comments here, if I remember correctly.

          I preferred your old name, it had a certain…, gravitas, shall we say ? Don’t remember Rahnameh calling you out then.

          .
          Rahnameh

          You do appear to be acting a little paranoid. Hasbara are like dog turds on the footpath – you just have to walk around them, or quietly move them aside with a stick so that others don’t tread on them.

          You can’t stop a dog from shitting.
          .

        • You discredited Ban Ki Moon in Stephen Lendman’s article about Susan Rice because he mentioned that Israel’s settlement moves were a fatal blow to the “peace process”.

          If you’re not HASBARISTS, then you’re certainly helping them with your arguments.

          What do you, designate individuals to slander certain targets?
          Susan Rice, Ban Ki Moon, the UN, the ICC by way of reducing the UN, President Obama, and blurring the accountability for the individuals who run the IRS, Federal Reserve, Wall Street Monster, and the strongest strong-arm political party that escapes espionage indictments, in decent or complete control of our foreign policy (ask Stephen Walt/John Mearsheimer), which includes our military and intelligence (ask Colonel Wilkerson/Gordon Duff). Oh ya, and they run Hollywood and Music (ask Joel Stein). They probably didn’t like that Robert F. Kennedy ran a 1962 DOJ request against them as Attorney General under his brother/President, John F. Kennedy. Oh wait, AIPAC’s not the American Zionist Council — how silly of me.

          Google terms as listed (as is, with and without punctuation):
          “Jonathon Pollard”
          “AIPAC Espionage”
          USS Liberty
          “Federal Reserve 11th Marble”
          Six Corporations Own All Media

          In a Persian accent I ask: “Iz it going toO beeee check mate or a CHAK(slap) mate?” I say chakmate betches. :D

        • I mean, you guys discredited ALL those enemies to Zionism. I tallied it. Someone tell me what they’ve missed…

        • Warlord Moneybags

          Rahnameh

          Me too now ? You really have lost the plot.

          I stand by what I said –Ban Ki-moon is a useless f*cking clown.

          And you’re turning into an irritating f*cking clown.

          Lay off the caffeine and sugar, you’re starting to give me the shits.

        • Like I said, if you aren’t hasbarists, you SURE DO ARGUE LIKE THEM.

          I proved why above.

  5. Avnery is right about one thing, at minimum. The ball is now in Obama’s court. Will he purge his gang of filthy creatures like Hillary and Rice, or will it be business as usual for the Jewish Mafia that run this country?

    I think that question is on the entire world’s mind.

  6. Excerpt from an article: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has authorized construction of 3,000 new homes and planning for thousands more in West Bank settlements and in East Jerusalem, a senior government official said Friday, a day after the United Nations voted to upgrade the Palestinians’ status there to an observer state.

    Brian: Instead of outrage and threating to cut off all financial aid to Israel the Obama administration delivers these wimpy comments:

    “These actions are counterproductive and make it harder to resume direct negotiations or achieve a two-state solution,” said White House spokesman Tommy Vietor. “We reiterate our long-standing opposition to settlement activity and East Jerusalem construction and announcements.

    “Direct negotiations remain our goal, and we encourage all parties to take steps to make that goal easier to achieve,” Vietor said.

    Brian: These pathetic comments were probably sent to the Israeli stooge Obama from Tel Eviv. Obama wouldn’t cut off all financial aid to the Israeli government if he absolute proof the Mossad did 911. Obama the blackmailed coward is an embarrassment to the United States.

    • Brian, the next few days are going to be interesting regarding that move. It seems the EU have had enough.

      U.K., France may recall ambassadors to protest Israel’s settlement construction
      Moves against Israel will be made in next the few days following Netanyahu’s decision to move ahead on planning in E1 and build 3,000 housing units in the settlement blocs, and in East Jerusalem, say senior European diplomats.
      By Barak Ravid
      *

      Britain and France are poised to take action − possibly including the unprecedented step of recalling their ambassadors, according to senior European diplomats − in protest at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to move settlement construction ahead in the area known as E1, between Ma’aleh Adumim and Jerusalem.

      “This time it won’t just be a condemnation, there will be real action taken against Israel,” a senior European diplomat said.

      Netanyahu’s decision Friday to move ahead on planning in E1 and to build 3,000 housing units in the settlement blocs and in East Jerusalem, has apparently shocked the foreign ministries and the leaders in London and Paris. Not only do Britain and France view construction in E1 as a “red line,” they are reportedly angry because they view Israel as having responded ungratefully to the support the two countries gave it during the recent Gaza operation.

      “London is furious about the E1 decision,” a European diplomat told Haaretz.

      According to three senior diplomats from various EU countries, Britain and France were coordinating their moves against Israel, which they will reportedly implement over the next few days, and have discussed the extraordinary step of recalling their ambassadors from Tel Aviv for consultations. This step has never been taken before by these countries toward Israel. It would be so extreme that Britain and France may not take such action at this point but, rather, could invoke it in the case of further escalation of Israeli actions against the Palestinians. A final decision in the matter will be made today by the British and the French foreign ministers.

      A source in the Prime Minister’s Bureau said Israel was planning more steps against the Palestinian Authority. “The Palestinians will soon realize they made a mistake in taking unilateral steps that breached agreements with Israel,” the source said.

      Netanyahu and Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz decided Sunday morning to confiscate the tax money that Israel had collected for the PA in November − a total of NIS 460 million − and to use it against the PA’s debt to the Israel Electric Corporation.

      Britain and France are said to have informed Washington of their reported moves against Israel, as well as other European countries, including Germany.

      Among the more moderate steps under consideration are suspending strategic dialogue meetings between the two countries and Israel, making a decision in each country to label consumer products that originate in the territories, and even promoting sanctions against the settlements in EU institutions.

      At this point, Germany is not expected to join a move to recall its ambassador from Tel Aviv, but it might join more moderate steps. Netanyahu will be in Berlin Thursday for a periodic bilateral summit. According to a German diplomat, Netanyahu is expected to hear sharp opposition from Chancellor Angela Merkel over punitive steps against the Palestinians by Israel, especially construction in E1.

      The EU is putting heavy pressure on Israel to retract its decision to move ahead on construction in E1. Five senior European ambassadors have lodged very sharply worded protests with the Foreign Ministry and the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem since Friday evening.

      A senior European diplomat said that Friday evening, shortly after the government’s decision was announced, British Ambassador Matthew Gould and French Ambassador Christophe Bigot called Foreign Ministry director general Rafi Barak and held what was described as a “very tough” conversation. The British and French ambassadors told Barak they were calling on Israel to rescind its decision on construction in E1.

      Dutch Ambassador Caspar Veldkamp, EU Ambassador Andrew Standley, and the German deputy ambassador called the Foreign Ministry yesterday morning. The Dutch ambassador, whose country abstained in Thursday’s UN vote on Palestinian nonmember-state status, told Barak that if the E1 construction went forward, his country could not support Israel in future UN votes. The German deputy ambassador conveyed a similar message.

      Standley asked officials in the Prime Minister’s Bureau for clarifications about the decision to speed up construction in the settlements.

      Netanyahu spoke out harshly against the PA at Sunday’s cabinet meeting, claiming it “was waging a struggle against the very existence of the State of Israel.”

      The cabinet voted unanimously Sunday to reject the UN General Assembly resolution recognizing Palestine as a nonmember observer state. The cabinet decision described the West Bank as “disputed territory” over which “the Jewish people has a natural right and territorial claims.” At the start of the meeting, Netanyahu compared last week’s UN resolution with that body’s 1975 resolution equating Zionism with racism.

      Netanyahu read out a cabinet decision in response to the 1975 resolution in which Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin said Israel would expedite construction in the settlements in response to the resolution.

      • Will be interesting to see if they actually follow through or if this is more hot air. Thanks for the article.

        • Trust, but verify, Haaretz. They are the “good cop”. What is the difference between “honest” Zionism and “dishonest” Zionism?

          The bucket. ;)

      • Next time, post the link to Haaretz, not Israeli propaganda by Barak Ravid in full.

  7. JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has authorized construction of 3,000 new homes and planning for thousands more in West Bank settlements and in East Jerusalem, a senior government official said Friday, a day after the United Nations voted to upgrade the Palestinians’ status there to an observer state.

    Brian: Instead of outrage and threating to cut off all financial aid to Israel the Obama administration delivers these wimpy comments:

    “These actions are counterproductive and make it harder to resume direct negotiations or achieve a two-state solution,” said White House spokesman Tommy Vietor. “We reiterate our long-standing opposition to settlement activity and East Jerusalem construction and announcements.

    “Direct negotiations remain our goal, and we encourage all parties to take steps to make that goal easier to achieve,” Vietor said.

    Brian: These pathetic comments were probably sent to the Israeli stooge Obama from Tel Eviv. Obama wouldn’t cut off all financial aid to the Israeli government if he absolute proof the Mossad did 911. Obama the blackmailed coward is an embarrassment to the United States.

    I have not taken the time to review his natal chart but he is a Leo and Leos are known for being ambitious, courageous, strong willed, dominant as well as for their desire to be leaders. However, Obama is what they call in the world of astrology a pussycat Leo.

    As long as Netanyahu has Obama under control the Palestinians suffering will get worse and more wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel.

  8. Netanyahu knew very well that Pillar of Cloud would be a diplomatic disaster,he had no choice.
    Netanyahu knew very well what would happen if you make a joint Likud-Beitenu list,he had no choice.
    Pillar of Cloud didn’t “cause” Abbas to make the bid at the UN.He was ordered to.
    Israel has maneuvered itself in a hopeless position.
    Giving up the West Bank will lead to nothing less than a civil war.
    The settlers supply far and away the biggest amount of officers and soldiers to the Israeli Offense Force.
    Half the young people in the Tel-Aviv area don’t go to the army.
    The 2 -state solution is a past station.
    Mainly because it would cause a civil war between Israeli’s (Haganah versus Stern versus Kahane gang.)
    Rabbi’s have been warning for the consequences of Zionism since 1897.
    European Jewry was against zionism ,because it would lead to the destruction of (European) Judaism.
    Palestinians will never accept they’ve been kicked of their lands(Nakba),and they are right to do so.
    One state,even including Jordan ,is the only solution.
    Avoiding Israeli’s to blow up the whole Middle East is more important right now,because the Israeli mindset is a runaway train towards the abyss.

    • Your proof for any of this speculation? You are just here, again and again, trying to absolve the guilty and place blame on immaterial bankers. Go take a gun, and shoot them in the head. They are few and accessible. Israel will still be the most criminal faction on Earth along with its henchmen all over the globe, the Talmudic Mafia.

      • I like what he has to say. He offers a different perspective. I think I read his grandfather was related to Dr. Hajo Meyer a former Auschwitz survivor, who has some classic quotes like:
        “Formerly an anti-Semite was someone who hated Jews…nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by Jews.”

        And my fave:
        “The Zionists are automatons. Wherever I speak they do always the same. They come to the audience without any arguments or just shout “lies!” … They are brainwashed to nothing.”

        • That’s good, Blake. But, you are missing the point. Disinformation is 99% truth mixed with a 1% integral inaccuracy. His claim is that the bankers are the real problem, and not the Zionists (who are one in the same with the bankers).

          He’s no better than that Zionist, Sitchin, and his Nibiru tales. They are all distractions for those with enough time to care.

          Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It’s a forgery — my ass.

          • There is a common tendency these days to attribute evil motive not only those who disagree with our positions, but who have viewpoints different or are not approved of. In long running complicated international geopolitics.

            You can really take yourself down into the swamp every quickly with automatic thinking. The imprinting for this can come from outside forces, and also ourselves. I think that is the case here. Uri has been rebel since he figured out he had been used. He quit the Irgun after been a teen bicycle messenger when he got older and realized what he had been a part of.

            Not many can match his 40 record. Just his passing through the lines in Beirut during the first Lebanon War to meet with Arafat took tremendous courage as if Sharon’s people had been tailing him they would have jumped at the chance to kill Uri and Arafat at one shot.

            I person that has lived there all his life…that is going to have some effect on his thinking. Many left rather than try to change the system. He survived multiple assassination attempts, street time things includine a very serious stabbing.

            Such is not the background and grooming of a disinformation operative. Also, with Uri, what you see is what you get, rarely the operational mode for someone on the make. Solutions, non military ones, always require the meeting of minds throught a liveable compromise. No opposing party is converted totally to the other side’s position.

            Uri is here because he is a veteran, and he has been on the inside and outside of this ‘issue’ with a lot of personal contact. That is shared here. He gave no numbers to call, no fundraising pitch, nor asked the reader to do anything. He was writing a commentary.

        • Rahnameh

          You would be a waste in counterintelligence as you do not listen to what the other says, and if you do not do it, how do you know if he is right or wrong, friend or enemy?
          If you want to win a war you must know your enemy as well as you know yourself, so you know how to defeat him.
          There is some truth what shachi said, although I also consider him to be a plant, a hasbarah rider.

          I agree with him, the only real solution is one state, including Jordan, to be called Palestina, as it was called for thousands of years.
          The settlers go back where they came from, the russian zionists back to Russia and the america ones back to the USA and Canada.
          After that a democratic constitution guarantees every citizen the same rights, regardless if jew, moslem or christian, and a majority rules the land.
          These is the only viable solution that the zionists do not want, as it would end Eretz Israel, a jewish state and hegemony.
          This could be a reality since 1948 if the arabs would fight eachother less and more the zionist invaders.

    • Cabbalist much?

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