Bank Robbers and Serial Killers? The CIA Recruits Them, The FBI Ignores Them

by Jim Fetzer


“[A]sking the EFF BEE EYE in the year 2012 for ‘help’ is like substituting your normal foam life vest on your boat, with a series of ten pound LEAD weights all cobbled together in a vest formation.”–an anonymous friend


When you dig into conspiracies like JFK and 9/11, as I have done, and host a radio program discussing them, you cannot always predict how things are going to play out.  Several years ago, for example, I began to hear from a woman who used the handle “Agent Ladybug”, which sounds innocuous on its face, but where the story she had to tell–as it has gradually unwoven–would make your hair curl.  If what she has been telling me is correct–and, to my ear, it has the ring of truth–then she has been associating with one or more serial killers, who may even have been involved in crimes as serious as the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK and even John F. Kennedy, Jr.

The persons she has identified to me include her own brother, Roland Ottus, for whom she introduced the named “Raoul” and told me he had been involved in the death of MLK.  She also explained that another member of this gang (although she has not used that word) was photographed in front of the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City, where even J. Edgar Hoover himself acknowledged that this person was not the man accused of the assassination of JFK.  According to my source, it was actually Walter Tabinski.  And the most dangerous of these three, Clyde Forshaw, has committed serial murders, if her information is correct, some of which she personally witnessed herself.  I grant that her story is difficult to believe, but she has a mountain of details and other considerations to back it up.

Insofar as she resides in Toronto, she has made repeated efforts to bring these crimes to the attention of the Canadian officials, but to no avail.  She is now pressing the matter, fed up at the apparent corruption, not only from local police but even by the RCMP, whom most of us grew up believing were “the best of the best”, when it comes to law enforcement.  To hear her tell it, however, the truth could hardly be further from the myth.  Last night, during another of our conversations, she explained that one of these guys is also “the Vaulting bandit”, who has robbed several banks, where he has even made the FBI’s list of “Most Wanted”.  According to a headline article in The National Post (22 December 2011), “Vaulting Bandit tops Toronto Police bank robber wanted list”.

According to my source, Forshaw is also “the Geezer bandit”, who has committed many other bank robberies, including in the United States. She has identified him to me in multiple photographs and has told me that Clyde removes his dentures before committing the “Geezer” robberies to disfigure his appearance.

Conversations with my source


He has become something of a folk hero in some parts, it appears, and has even been touted as a candidate for President of the United States. Levity aside, those who listen to some of our most recent conversations may find them rather chilling:

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My interlude with the FBI


All of this was extremely disturbing to me.  I reasoned that the FBI should have an interest in bank robbers, so I submitted a “tip”:

Giving it more thought, it occurred to me I should have mentioned that he has associates in crime, Tabinski and Ottus, so I added:

I was so troubled by her precarious position, where it appeared to me that she could be killed by Clyde Forshaw at any time I made a call to FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C.  I was advised to call the “Duty Agent” at the FBI Office in Milwaukee, WI, which I did:

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Exasperated that I was getting a run-around from the FBI, a friend suggested that I call the US Marshall’s Office, which I did; but the official there advised me that I needed to contact the US Attorney in Madison, providing me with the number, which I also called:

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At this point in time–having received not even the gesture of an acknowledgment or a phone call from the Department of Justice, the FBI or the US Attorney here in Madison, I feel stupid to have assumed that the FBI would have any interest in nailing bank robbers, much less serial killers. I now regard the FBI as a joke.


Recent developments in Toronto


I was hearing from her about developments in Toronto, which did little to alleviate my concern she might be facing imminent death:

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And today she informed me that Clyde was stalking her, that he had changed his appearance and was wearing Scottish garb and shoes that are overly large, which suggested to me that he was planning to commit a crime–killing her–today, which I found quite alarming:

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We had further conversations that were not recorded, where she was going to call me from her home after she had finished dinner.  It occurred to me that Clyde had said she would die when she least expected it.  I tried to reach her to warn her that he might be waiting for her at her place and that she should enter with extreme caution.  She told me she would call when she arrived, but when she didn’t call, my great fear was that she was dead.

She had already pointed out to me that Walter Tabinski was the person whom the CIA photographed outside the Cuban Embassy as a part of a scheme to frame Lee Harvey Oswald.  She pointed him out to me in a series of photographs found in Robert Groden, The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald (1995), pp. 245-249, as a man whom even J. Edgar Hoover himself had reported to have been impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City.  (I have long believed that anyone aware of that single fact already had enough information to conclude that JFK was killed as the result of a conspiracy.)


“Raoul” and the Death of MKL


She also pointed out to me that a photograph of her brother, Roland, whom she named “Raoul”, could be found on a web site about the assassination of Martin Luther King, titled “Hemmings, Christ, Hargraves and the King Assassination”.  So I visited that web site,

And on the second page, I found the following discussion about a meeting on or about 15 August 1967, where James Earl Ray, who would be accused of the assassination of Martin Luther King at The Neptune Tavern in Montreal, met a man who called himself “Raoul”.  While the article suggests that “Raoul” was Roy Hargraves, a friend of Hemming, my source identified him as her brother:

My source had told me that she had been at The Mercury Club on 15 July 1967 (the first day she could have a legal drink) a month earlier and had surreptitiously taken a photograph of her brother, her girlfriend, and two young men, Richard Hovey and Eric Jones (who would later disappear on a trip with Clyde), where Charles Frederick Rogers, Walter Tabinski and James Earl Ray were in the background.


“Raoul” not Roy M. Hargraves


That this man is not Roy M. Hargraves has been substantiated from other sources.  Here is a photograph from 1962 that appears to be authentic circa 1962, part of a group allegedly sponsored by the CIA at No Name Key in Florida for the purpose of overthrowing Cuba or assassinating Fidel Castro, some of whom may have also been involved in the assassination of JFK:

1 – Steve Wilson

2 – Roy Hargraves

3 – Lawrence Howard

4 – Little Joe Cavendish Garman

5 – William Seymour

6 – Bill Dempsey

7 – The Leader, Gerry Hemming

8 – Ronald Ponce de Leon

Notice, in particular, that Roy Hargraves, #2, does not look very much like “Raoul”, whom my source has identified as her own bother, Roland Ottus, whom she has told me was also observed driving a station wagon around the Dallas Police Department’s parking lot behind “the grassy knoll” on 22 November 1963.


The Police, the CIA the FBI


My source has made repeated efforts over the years to bring all of this to the attention of the Toronto Police, who have shown no more interest in what she has to say than the FBI has in response to my submissions. When she told them that she had photographs and records to substantiate her claims in October 2003, she was ordered out of her apartment and the police entered and took what she had–including the photograph.

Clyde Forshaw comes across as a skilled and experience serial killer. He changes his appearance and uses different methods of murder to conceal that they were done by the same man: some are bludgeoned, some are stabbed, some are strangled, some are shot, on and on and on. He has mastered the art of DNA, obtaining specimens from prostitutes to plant on victims, which has led to the arrest, conviction and execution of innocent men.

Sometimes they chop up their targets, cutting off their hands and heads to make sure they can’t be identified. She has made many attempts to bring this information to the appropriate officials, but has been rebuffed again and again and again. One even said to her, “Hailey, has anyone ever told you you are nuts?”, to which she replied, “You, for one.” She asks, “Who are these people who want the truth suppressed?”

And these are officials who are paid to solve crimes. When I have shared my experiences with some of my friends, they have expressed their dismay with the FBI. One wrote that the FBI cannot be trusted to solve serious cases:

boy, asking the EFF BEE EYE in the year 2012 for ‘help’ is like substituting your normal foam life vest on your boat, with a series of ten pound LEAD weights all cobbled together in a vest formation.

my experience with the EFF BEE AYE is that they are totally off the rails and so corrupt that involving them in any matter is tantamount to putting a beacon on your head and a sandwich board sign on that says; “PLEASE F*CK ME OVER!!!” because their job is not what most of us would think it is.

if a particular matter doesn’t have earmarks of being a ‘career maker’ for a field weenie, they’re not too likely to put themselves out to do much.

Another thought that I had made a mistake to even identify myself in this case and to implicitly ID my source:

1. I would suggest submitting your info on the bank robbers source name REDACTED to the FBI. Get an EMAIL that you can submit this info, and then (as you are doing) find a RESPONSIBLE FBI OFFICER to act on the info–which will be passed around carelessly.

2. Also, DO NOT refer to your source as a “her” and that she is “close to the bank robbers” because even if the FBI redacts her NAME, the NATURE OF YOUR INSIDER INFORMATION could give away her identity at a later date, which could result in her being murdered so she cannot testify.

3. Counter-Intelligence Protection of Whistle-Blowers

I hope you are armed in your household. It’s too bad you had to offer up your home address on the FBI report.

In the future, you should offer only a P.O. Box. Of course, any perps ascertaining your PO Box could stake-out the post office and wait to ambush you, but at least you are not directing them directly to your home. Another option would be to offer THE ADDRESS OF YOUR ATTORNEY.

Jim Marrs, another friend–one of a large number with whom I have shared these files–called me to say that these guys are obviously “protected” by the Toronto police and possibly even by the RCMP. The situation is disgusting. My previous research on the FBI (in relation to the assassination of JFK and the death of Sen. Paul Wellstone) had long since convinced me that they spend more time covering up crimes than they do solving them. Listen to what she has to say about law enforcement–it’s blood curdling!

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My thought was that, in a case like this, where there is a mountain of evidence and a witness to multiple crimes, they might care about solving “the Geezer bandit” and “the Vaulting bandit”, many of whose bank robberies occurred in the United States. But dereliction of duty appears to be their area of specialization. Even for serious crimes, the FBI just can’t be bothered. My recommendation at this point would be to dismantle it along with the CIA, which are doing our citizens and our nation incalculable damage–the CIA by committing crimes, the FBI by covering them up.





I am convinced she is about to be killed.  I have tried to call her twice this evening and her phone has simply rung and rung.  That has never happened before.  She contacted a family of a victim and told them she had information about their child. She received back a warning from an ex-cop who works for them, whom Hailey believes is corrupt like so many others in Canada.  When I publish the piece (which needs only one more file to be complete), I would appreciate whatever you can do to see that both the article and the following information gets into the right hands.  Thanks for your advice about this.



CONFIDENTIAL (if something happens to me):  Hailey has:

Heard from Toronto Police:  Detective Steve Ryan (Cold Case)

Heard from Inspector John Maxwell, Major Case Investigations

To contact Associate Ian Kingham, (613) 236-1222, ext. 5416.

Walter Tabinski:  (416) 763-4469 at 17 Dalrymple Drive, Toronto M6N 4S2

Paul (oldest son):

Jackie Bluestein (wife): (416) 551-7279 AT 455 Rosewell Avenue, Tornoto M4R 2H9

Clyde did a major beating of Maxie Bluestein in a restaurant (he wrecked his face)

Jay Forshaw (son/pilot/C-4 in John-John’s plane):  (905) 963-0625 at 38 Adams Court, Oxbridge, Ontario L9T 1G3

Pilot trainer at Buttonville Airport, no far from Frank Stronic, Magna International (lured John-John to meet with him)

Clyde Forshaw:  28 James Stock Path, Toronto, M8Z 6C6

Clyde Forshaw, Jr. (weapons charges):

Clyde described how many time he shot Eddie Mellow and his body guard, Fazio (2 for 1)

Silver, Hyndi (Korean), silver; another tinted window Nissan; last three digits . . .

Ford with primer paint on the side (another vehicle)–had to change the color of it “quick”

Clyde had a CIA “assassination umbrella” using a needle that Walter had used on a job in Europe

Parchment paper Hailey had purchased in summer of 1967:  headline about extortion letter for “Sherry Wallace”

. . . the black . . . Hailey had written herself . . . skull and cross . . . hinted about Bruno Seidel at 103 Hamilton . . .

that was Walter on the grass in the bullet-proof vest in Dealey Plaza . . . Clyde hated Charles Frederick Rogers

meet with David Ferrie and Clay Shaw (Bertrand) in August 1967 . . . in between MLK and RFK . . .

the boys Richard Hovey and Eric Jones were taken by Clyde and disappeared . . . James Earl Ray and Walter Tabinski

were in the background at “The Mercury Club” on 15 July 1967 when Hailey took photo . . . James Earl Ray . . .

Clyde takes one shoe as his signature . . . takes momentoes . . . Sherry Wallace (had stalked her for years) . . .

John-John’s plane was a remotely controlled detonation using a “super frack” specialized plastic explosive . . .

James H. Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth and a columnist for Veterans Today, where his most recent studies of the assassination of JFK can be found.

Jim Fetzer

A former Marine Corps officer, Jim Fetzer has published widely on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge, computer science, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, and evolution and mentality.

McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, he has also conducted extensive research into the assassination of JFK, the events of 9/11, and the plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone.

The founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence (2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), Render Unto Darwin (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010).

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22 Responses to "Bank Robbers and Serial Killers? The CIA Recruits Them, The FBI Ignores Them"

  1. alfredf  December 24, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    I am Clyde Forshaw’s youngest son I can say for sure this is all crap. Hailey was my dads ex girlfriend she is crazy, she told us Paul Bernardo was stalking her before he got arrested. After her and my dad broke up she called the cops and said he was a murderer the cops came to our house and talked to all of my family for a few days, in the end we were told to call them if she ever contacted us again. I am only posting here since you gave out our home phone number here ( which I would like you to remove) and some guy called my house telling us about this post.

    • Jim Fetzer  December 27, 2012 at 11:09 am

      Alfred, surely you jest. If Hailey’s full of it, then why was Clyde stalking her on Friday in a Scottish outfit wearing over-sized shoes and a cap pulled own? And why is he stalking her RIGHT NOW outside of her residence, with his backpack containing a change of clothes to wear after he kills her? How many deaths are you willing to tolerate? You have to be well-aware that aiding-and-abetting makes you an accomplice and an accessory to murder. I am not talking about your father, Alfred, I am talking about you. YOU!

    • alfredf  December 27, 2012 at 5:35 pm

      My father was in a car accident last year and can barley move on his own, I am his caregiver now. He goes nowhere without me and we have not left the house since the 24th.

    • alfredf  December 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm

      as I see when I search you on google, James Henry Fetzer (born December 6, 1940 in Pasadena, California) is an American conspiracy theorist.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fetzer

      aka a nutjob. How many times have the aliens probed you?

      I respect the fact that you are a vet but it does not give you the right to talk shit about my family and me.

    • Jim Fetzer  December 28, 2012 at 2:35 am

      I am sure it is merely a coincidence that I have received the following email just this evening:

      On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, James Cobblestone wrote:
      Dr. Fetzer,

      I have been doing research on the truth behind 9/11. Among numerous documents your name is brought up, but they claim you have been murdered. However, I have not found anything on your death. Weird. I know you find this random, but I would like to discuss your thoughts on the 9/11 theories. I look forward to your email, if you’re still alive.

      J. Cobblestone

  2. Howard T.Lewis III  December 24, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Busting CIA families for ‘cocaine distribution’ is difficult. The families are told by DEA, FBI, or local law enforcement of other family members’ indiscretions and the offending CIA family member is busted for other illegal drug activity after their CIA parents take away their cocaine supply.

  3. billg  December 23, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Have you ever considered that this lady is a complete nutcase. If any of what she said was true don’t you think these horrible people would silenced her by now. You even post that a cop asks her if she had been called nuts before. Maybe her claims were looked into and were proved false. All I see on the post is 1 crazy ladies rants and alot of slander.

    • Jim Fetzer  December 24, 2012 at 11:23 am

      If you think anyone could make all this stuff up, . . . . She seems to be “the real deal”. She may not have everything right, but I believe her. Have you listened to the interviews? Try it and think about it.

  4. gritzle70  December 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Programmed to Kill


    • clarekuehn  December 26, 2012 at 12:31 pm

      That’s part 1 of 3.

      Part 2:
      Part 3:

      So many killers, so many pedophile, snuff, slave, drug, kills, cults, military/ CIA connections.

      Very well done. Note Manson @ end of Pt 1 talks of One World Gov’t and One World Court.

      For more: best intro: FABULOUS short intro “quiz” (joking manner, answers given):

      More in-depth on one killer: http://www.whale.to/b/henry.html — and note we know they’re not just lying re. Mexico cults. (On Henry’s mention of Everglades paramilitary cult/training but also someone asking if it’s all lying: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=299036 ). We know they’re not lying from the details which emerged, their laughing upset when that part is ignored, and confirming details of not their own but another similar cult run for drugs — and prob. CIA — in Mexico near where they claimed … the cult burial site and buidings were found and archaeologically dug up for forensic info. We also know they’re not lying b/c of other cases which turn out, upon inspection, to be military/ CIA/ old-occult/ gangland occult. We also know of other serial murders which are not occult connected but are military/ CIA connected anyway.

      There is more in the newsletter section of davesweb, on these and DC sniper and other cases.

      Interview with Dave on this subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZnkWhFmlDc — His book http://www.amazon.ca/Programmed-Kill-Politics-Serial-Murder/dp/0595326404 (not all about MK Ultra, but links into that as well, though title suggests MK formalism by saying “Programmed”, unfortunately).

      In order to understand, one has to realize these people play with the interviewer in a joke at times: for instance, at the end, in the interview with Ottis, below: “I’ll give you the recipe”. But they also correct the interviewers and show ignorance of other things, so they’re telling the truth around those things. Clearly the guy does like to eat what he kills, but also kills without that. He’s not dumb, but he does have areas of distaste emotionally (vaginas, long complicated questions and cult rituals). Instead, he was used and convenient to them and they to him. Ottis is one of the few who’ve described it in some detail, but many have referred to such things in snippits of details, which do dovetail with this fuller account.

      On the cult and Ottis, from http://www.konformist.com/2000/cannibal-kid.htm

    • clarekuehn  December 26, 2012 at 1:39 pm

      Sorry: the first videos have SIX not THREE parts.
      Part 4:
      Part 5:
      Part 6:

      Unfortunately, on the sidebar in Youtube, they show up without saying which part they are, unless you put your cursor over them. So it’s easy to think they are the SAME video content reposted. They’re not. There are 6 parts. ALL WORTH IT.

  5. peter  December 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Eye opening article Jim. Well done. despite the fact it makes my stomach turn.

  6. duay khwaam nap theuu  December 22, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    CIA (mk ultra) – FBI has created a nightmare, including the mob striking back for being double-crossed, which is probably what happened at the school. Police are outnumbered and can’t face this reality. CIA and FBI can’t let truth be known or they’d be strung up in the streets.

    Adam Lanza’s mom probably had the guns to protect herself and Adam, but got outsmarted. She had but a bit of the picture. Adam Lanza fits the profile of a pedophile-ring recruit, likely abused when younger and now they wanted him to be recruiter. Mind screwed up by mk ultra or whatever they call the program they are using to provide all the pervs in our government and others with kids to abuse and themselves with robot-killers.

    Please read current piece by a real investigative journalist. I simply can’t summarize it.


  7. outsider  December 22, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Good article, Jim. I’m in the UK 9/11 Truth movement, and have heard you speak in London (Freinds House, I believe).

    Have you read Cathy O’Brien’s ‘Access Denied’? She mentions a guy whose MO for murder was cutting off the victim’s hands, and using them as an MK-ULTRA Mind Control trigger with mercenaries sent to Latin America on ‘Missions’. She also mentions a lot about Michael Aquino, who had personally abused and torured her. He also introduced Church of Satan to US military bases, and set up the Temple of Set. He was central to the Satanic MK-ULTRA Monarch pprogram, which was a continuation of Hitler/Himmler Mind Control experiments (Nazi scientists and ‘Doctors’ engaged in that project were flown in on Project Paperclip, many by Mark Philips, who then worked for ‘Capital International Airlines’, but who did not know what he was involved in (‘need-to-know’ restrictions). He is now an extremely brave and good campaigner, along with his now-wife Cathy O’Brien, who he sucessfully ‘de-programmed’).

    They also have another book, ‘Trance Formation of America’, and several full length documentary talk videos.

    Also, John De Camp has written the excellent ‘Franklin Cover-Up’, exposing both Canadian and US top level corruption, FBI and ‘Justice Dept’ cover-ups, and the Michael Aquino link to MK-ULTRA and Iran Contra mercenaries and cocaine smuggling.

  8. russhallberg  December 22, 2012 at 4:08 am

    Serial killers are connected to the snuff film industry involving films of actual murders and suicides. US law enforcement has failed to produce a single snuff film. Law enforcement in Germany, Italy and other European nations have seized snuff films.

  9. clarekuehn  December 22, 2012 at 12:31 am

    Wonderful article with info about the MLK and JFK killings especially.

    #1 Jim, thank you for posting this for Ladybug, whatever her own mistaken ideas of her own, for she clearly has real info as well.

    #2 No offense, but how on earth could you report this directly with her relationship to large-scale organized crime hitmen who so far have allowed her to live (well, with a few close calls) because she is their confidante. Of course they’re protected — that’s what all of her information is about.

    #3 Anyone who wants excellent reading on serial killers AND frame-ups and semi-frame-ups for serial killings, go to http://www.whale.to/b/henry.html and http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr65.html (a quiz for teaching you, for answers are given, so relax and enjoy, so to speak).

  10. stephanaugust  December 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    You can not even trust the police. Eric Hufschmid suggests pedophilia in hospitals and asks the question:

    Why are policemen visiting children’s hospitals?


    • clarekuehn  December 22, 2012 at 12:41 am

      Hufschmid makes good points about organized or local corruption and rings in official jobs such as police and doctors; but to Hufschmid any criminal is an “honourary Jew”, for he associates the source of cultural mystical killings and social destabilization to be Jewish, or spread on the back of Jewish ideas. This is sloppy thinking; there are crimes by Jewish friendship rings as in all groups there are friendship rings (mafias of various kinds, semi-secret, open, limited, broad); there are crimes by fanatic ideologues in Israel but also elsewhere; mystery traditions share Jewish and Christian and Pagan overtones and a lot of added mumbo-jumbo on their own; and though there are control groups in the mass media and banks where the friendships and cover-ups include a lot of Jewish powerbrokers these are not alone and they cover for more than Israeli extremists. Hufschmid has some great points, but to reduce everyone to one type, even though the type has its own criminals and some very powerful ones, is sloppy and regrettable. Other than that, the article raises some great points, especially if one knows of corruption payoffs and the prevalence of kiddie rape/ porn and blackmail in all power circles. Of course, other rape and porn (not erotica; porn), are also used. So powerbrokers can use and be used by any vice: drugs, fraud, ideological lies and blackmailable lies, as well as sex.

    • Steve  December 23, 2012 at 2:12 am

      Hufschmid is very odd, look at his bizarre feud with Bollyn for one thing.

    • outsider  December 22, 2012 at 8:05 am

      Hi stephanaugust

      Indeed, Hufschmid is right. Check out my previous post for links to back up what he only suggests.

  11. LC  December 23, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Yes: & here is some good details of a historic crime boss known as: “J. EDGAR HOOVER” & his photo-ops in doing “Monica jobs”:


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