LUNATICS ‘R US: The Santilli/Wood/Sunstein Gambit

by Jim Fetzer


The latest hysterical tirade from Pete Santilli during his interview with Morgan Reynolds on Friday, 18 January 2013, may qualify as the most irresponsible radio program in history.

It demonstrated beyond any doubt that Santilli has no scruples about defaming those of us who have been dedicating our lives to exposing the fabricated events of 9/11, going so far as to claim that I was involved in the death of Michael Zebuhr, a graduate student of Judy Wood, in St. Paul, MN, on Saturday, 18 March 2006; that I am a disinformation agent who is paid by the federal government; and that I, among many others, have been doing my best to suppress the existence of “free energy” technology.

There was more, but this gives you the general idea. The program can be accessed at American Freedom Radio, which has given him this podium.  Here is his program on the 18th featuring Morgan Reynolds:

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After listening to the show, Ben Collet, a long-time student of 9/11 who has hosted Judy Wood and John Hutchison as speakers on 9/11 in Seattle, WA, where they even stayed in his home during their visit there, wrote the following to Morgan Reynolds:

I think Ben got it right. Not only has Santilli committed an egregious slander by making allegations that are not only false but for which there is no evidence, but Morgan, who has to have known better, played along as if he were in complete agreement, which contradicts what he has written about the case in the past, when–I shall assume, to be most charitable–his cognitive faculties were less impaired:



I did not even know of Michael Zebuhr

Since that was published on Friday, 15 September 2006, has something happened in the meanwhile that might have changed his mind?  What has occurred only offers further exoneration of me in relation to Michael Zebuhr’s death, including that two suspects were arrested and convicted.  They confessed to the crime.   I had not even known of Michael Zebuhr until Judy called to tell me he had been killed.  I made inquiries of the St. Paul police at the time, who assured me it was a mugging, as I have explained:


I also tried to call Morgan, but there was no answer, so I wrote to him, asking several crucial questions:

What in God’s name is going on?  Do you think I had something to do with Michael Zebur’s (sic) death?  You know I then resided in Duluth, which is 125 miles north of St. Paul.  I contacted the police about it (twice) and was assured that there was no connection to Scholars.  I had not even heard of him before he was mugged and killed.  Aren’t you the same guy I featured on my show just a few weeks ago debating agnosticism/atheism?

What has become of you?  And don’t you recognize slander when you hear it?  Is THIS the REAL MORGAN REYNOLDS?  Egad, man.  This is completely stunning and very serious shit. I can’t believe you have aligned yourself with this guy, who has nothing truthful to say about me–or others, for that matter.  What’s going on with you, Morgan?  Don’t be shy.  Spell it out.  Have you gone over to The Dark Side?  I am dumbfounded.

I was confident that, even after I explained the most basic elements of the case–including that I did not reside “in the neighborhood”, where he may have inferred, because I was on the faculty of the University of Minnesota, that I was on the St. Paul or the Minneapolis campus, when I was actually in Duluth–he would insist that he was right and that my close proximity to the location of his death was significant,

He not only begs the question by assuming (taking for granted) Zebuhr’s death was “an assassination”, while the police and the prosecutors determined that it had been a mugging gone bad, but he assumed that it occurred “within miles of Fetzer’s home”, when I was residing 125 miles north of the scene of the crime.  I called the detective handling the case twice and was assured it was not related to Scholars.

What possible reason would there be for his finding “it very interesting & coincidental” that I resided in close proximity to the murder when I did not, that I took no interest in his death when I did, or that I am an expert in commission of assassinations when I apply scientific reasoning to their study?  None of this makes any sense other than as a desperate attempt to trash my character on fabricated grounds.



I have no idea what has overcome Morgan.  Surely he knows that the assailants confessed.  There is a very good blog about his death, which everyone should read.  Here is a radio talk show host who is accusing me of murder, when he has no idea what he is talking about–nor does he appear to care.  He even thinks I am an expert in the commission of assassinations! I ask, How incredibly dumb is that?

If I am a “psy op”, I am a catastrophe

Of course, I am not the only prominent member of the 9/11 Truth community upon whom Pete Santilli has trained his fire:  Alex Jones and Richard Gage are targets, too. While I have some differences with them both–Alex cannot tolerate any discussion of “no planes”, the contention that none of those “Big Boeings” actually crashed on 9/11; and Gage has remained overly committed to nanothermite as having played a major role in the destruction of the Twin Towers–it has become apparent to me that Santilli’s goal is to bring about the demolition of the 9/11 Truth movement by attacking its most outspoken leaders.  And he is using Judy Wood as his battering ram, based upon fabricated claims and reckless allegations.

His major bones of contention against me (which are supposed to prove his case of me being some kind of “super op”) are principally two:  first, that I have suppressed information of “free energy technology” by doing everything I can to keep the public from awareness of Judy Wood’s research; and second, as his prime illustration, that I created a fabricated 5-star review of her book, Where Did the Towers Go? (2010).  In this latest interview with Morgan Reynolds, he said I had baited readers by giving it 5 stars only to subject the book to repeated attacks in the discussion thread. He correctly observes that there are more than 2,000 comments on my review, not her book, falsely claiming that they are attacking her, when the vast majority–at least 2/3, I would guess–are attacks by Judy and her followers upon me!

Apparently, Santilli thinks he can make any claim at all out of whole cloth–such has that my home was only a few miles from where Michael Zebuhr was shot, when I actually was living in Duluth, 125 miles to the north; or that there are 2,000 comments attacking Judy Wood, when the vast majority are her followers attacking me!  The situation is beyond absurd.  He seems to believe that, merely by asserting something to be true, that makes it true!  He is so reckless in disregarding truth that he did not even bother to confirm where I was living at the time before he alleged my involvement in someone’s murder! And he must believe that no one is going to look at the discussion thread on my review and count the relative number of attacks on me vs. Judy Wood, which include quite a few from Pete Santilli himself!

What would be signs that I was a “psy op”, if that were indeed the case?  Well, surely it would be most unlikely that I would be devoting myself during my retirement (after 35 years offering courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning) exposing governmental corruption at the highest levels and in the most important cases, such as JFK, the atrocities of 9/11, and the plane crash that took the life of US Senator Paul Wellstone and gave control of the Senate to the Republicans to invade Iraq.  And yet, as anyone who has been following my career as a journalist here at Veterans Today, that is what I do both here and on Press TV, where  the latest example is “Zero Dark Thirty”: The deeper, darker truths Pete Santilli, by contrast, spends all of his time, not advancing 9/11 Truth, but attacking those of us who are.

Even my first political speech, which was presented during a “Ron Paul Freedom Rally” on the grass in front of the Capitol on 15 April 2008 was exposing the neo-con agenda and the role of Israel in 9/11.  So why in God’s name would anyone allege that I am some kind of “op”?  He employs one ad hominem after another, talks over me repeatedly, will not give me a chance to speak, yells and screams that I am not answering questions that I have already answered, attributes to me “psy op” techniques that he is using RIGHT ON THE SHOW!  He is not alone in working to undermine the 9/11 Truth movement, where Michael Shermer is another example; but his tactics–of using Judy Wood as a battering ram–is new and distinctive.  I would agree with him about this point, however, namely:  one of us IS a “psy op”.

The Santilli/Wood/Sunstein Gambit

Ask yourself, what kind of behavior would you expect from someone who actually was an op?  If they were following Cass Sunstein’s program of “cognitive infiltration”, whereby 9/11 Truth organizations are infiltrated with specialists who can work to undermine them and defeat their research programs, perhaps an excellent cover would be that of an internet radio program host who proclaims IN WORD BUT NOT IN DEED that he is out to expose those who are misleading the movement.  If he had the resources, he might find a way to create a program with lots of advertising and lots of promotions to create the persona of a dedicated “9/11 Truth seeker”.  He might want to make out the most articulate and influential leaders of the movement–such as Alex Jones, Richard Gage, and Jim Fetzer–and do whatever he can to attack, berate and pillory them, especially using false and fabricated accusations.

If that sounds familiar, then consider the benefits to this kind of infiltration that could be derived from an unholy alliance with a woman who believes she has been discounted, someone with certain forms of paranoid delusions, who believes she is on a mission to bring truth to the 9/11 community–but that the 9/11 community has been subverted by leaders who want to suppress the information she presents.  It makes for a powerful package, but it might be difficult to sell for anyone who actually knows the history of the movement and the relationships between that woman and the current target on his list.  Because of all the prominent members of the 9/11 community, I (Jim Fetzer) have been the most supportive of Judy Wood and her research of any member of the movement. So it might be necessary to revise history just a smidgeon for the sake of accomplishing the objectives of the cognitive infiltration movement

The indications that Santilli may be projecting by calling me “an op” are multiple and varied, where the most blatant proof–and it appears to me to be conclusive–is that, when I appeared as the guest on his show on Friday, 5 January 2013, he talked over me, would hardly let me squeeze a word in edgewise and even had one of his own shills call in (suggesting his show is “a shill within a shill”), but then–most astonishingly–when he posted the same show on his own web site (Episode #310), he added an elaborate ad hominem attack at the beginning and altered the quality of my audio file, so it sounded as if I was calling in from a pay phone in Singapore!  Listening to it now, I also notice that he cut out the first caller, who was Mark from Houston.  This is about as blatant as it gets in “amateur disinfo ops”:

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This Santilli guy has such resources that his shows are converted into YouTubes. Here is the revised version posted there, which makes him out to be “the Caped Crusader” and me “Darth Vader”!  See if you can discover how many “psy op” techniques Pete Santilli uses in the introduction to the show alone!

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Kevin Barrett, who is as rational and objective as any member of the 9/11 Truth movement, was so taken aback by Santilli’s interview with me that he made an extraordinary blog denouncing it as follows:

He and I would do an interview on his show, where Pete Santilli even called in–and had one of his shills call as well, the same pattern he had displayed when I was featured on his show.  Listen here:

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Displaying his characteristic dispositions toward reason and rationality, Pete Santilli promptly replied,

I am all for “free-energy technology”–if it exists!
No doubt, one of the reasons Santilli had to garble what I was saying in response to his verbal assault during his show is that I explained how absurd it was for him to suggest that I was “covering up” the research of Judy Wood, when I was the only leading figure in the 9/11 Truth movement who was doing everything I could to promote and publicize her work:  I featured her 15 times on my own radio shows, beginning on 11 November 2006, which led to the separation of Steven Jones and me in Scholars for 9/11 Truth; I published a chapter by her in The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007); I featured her as my principal speaker during The Madison Conference, giving her an unprecedented 3-hours to speak; I published a 5-star review of her book on amazon.com; and even invited her to speak at The Vancouver Hearings.

Because I explained this during my first opportunity to speak, he had to muffle my words; otherwise, his commentary comes across as completely absurd.  He claims in his introduction that I knew that he was going to ask me about the 43 propositions (she calls them “fact”) found on pages 480-483.  But I have devoted hours and hours to their discussion during a series of interviews with Chuck Boldwyn on “The Real Deal”, where you can access those discussions by going to radiofetzer.blogspot.com and doing a search on “Chuck Boldwyn”.  He insists I have been covering up the presence of a hurricane near New York City on 9/11, which, when I first learned of it, I suggested on the air was probably what Judy took to be the source of energy for the DEWs used to demolish the Twin Towers; but she contacted me almost immediately telling me I was wrong, that this was not her position and that I was misrepresenting her.

He offers a brainwashing introduction, garbles my voice, talks over me, distorts what I am trying to say and generally does everything he can to discredit me without allowing me to speak unimpeded.  I think a part of Judy’s bizarre alliance with this guy is because, in my 5-star review, I offered a qualification:

That I was correct in my assessment was demonstrated during The Vancouver Hearings, when the dust samples collected by the US Geological Survey were discussed, which included Barium and Strontium, Thorium and Uranium, Lithium, Lanthanum, Ytrium, Chromium and Tritium,  which are indications that the destruction of the Twin Towers was a nuclear event.  She likes to boast that nothing in “the book” has been refuted, but the claims she makes about nukes on pages 121-122 have been refuted. Listen very carefully to this call by Brian Staveley to her last September on “Late Night in the Midlands”:

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A real scientist would welcome new data and alternative hypotheses, but Judy suppresses them.  While she has the credentials to claim she is “a scientist” (actually, an engineer), she displays massive denial and lack of willingness to engaged in objective, scientific exchange.  Scientists are those who observe and adhere to the standards of science, where she had shown herself to be closed-minded and aloof. A real scientist would be open to new evidence and eager to discuss it, but that has not been the case with Judy Wood, who declares her book to be “the final word”–one more reason she has now become the leader of a pseudo-scientific cult.

Indeed, one of the oddities of Judy’s position is her focus on WHAT HAPPENED as opposed to HOW IT WAS DONE or WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE.  This attitude appears to be part and parcel of her denials that she has any “theory” about what happened, which makes the significance of her work very much open to question.  As Ben Collet has observed in the comments on my review, photos, debris and such only become “evidence” in relation to an hypothesis or theory, without which they may count as features or facts, but where none of the contents of her book qualifies as “evidence” absence an appeal to theory.

There are, of course, professional shills who are paid to troll and post false and distorted remarks that advance the Cass Sunstein agenda.  And at the very least, his hysterical and irrational ravings convey the impression that anyone associated with 9/11 Truth is a lunatic.  So it seems to be a “win/win” for Santilli. Where does this lead?  I happen to know and like the program director at American Freedom Radio, Danny Romano, who was the first to invite me to host a show of my own then on the Republic Broadcasting Network.  So I have been a long-time fan of Danny and certainly bear him no ill-will:

I have heard nothing back.  Possibly nothing is going to change.  I have noticed that “The Pete Santilli Show” is the first listed on the AFR archives.  He appears to have lots of money.  Most of those of us who have devoted ourselves to bringing 9/11 Truth to the public have very limited resources.  Something is very wrong with Pete Santilli–where his association with Judy has to qualify as among the most bizarre developments in research on 9/11.  If there is justice in this world, his show will not long endure.


I asked a social psychologist to listen to Pete Santilli’s interview with me–and this is what he sent in response:

Jim, did you see this recent News Release?

“All major conspiracies are in fact linked, directly or indirectly, to major weather events. The leading so-called 9/11 researchers have gone to great lengths to conceal this little known fact and, if you will stay with me here, I am going to expose it. Now just stay with me as I take you through this point by point.

It is now obvious that the main cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers on 911 was the Hurricane close by. It is absolutely disgusting that all the top so-called 9/11 researchers neglected to tell me this so that I could solve this crime of the century. I had to find this out by myself and was able to do so just recently after years of digging.

I am furious with all these so-called 9/11 truthers who are merely cover-up artists and I won’t put up with their crap anymore. I am dedicating the rest of my talk show to exposing and ruining these so-called 9/11 truthers.”

Pete Smuttilli, World Famous Talk Show Host, Los Angeles, CA (1-14-2013)

Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is a journalist and an editor with Veterans Today. 


Jim Fetzer

A former Marine Corps officer, Jim Fetzer has published widely on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge, computer science, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, and evolution and mentality.

McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, he has also conducted extensive research into the assassination of JFK, the events of 9/11, and the plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone.

The founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence (2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), Render Unto Darwin (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010).

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68 Responses to "LUNATICS ‘R US: The Santilli/Wood/Sunstein Gambit"

  1. LC  February 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    DR. FETZER, et al:

    If any of VT writers are defamed by Santilli or anyone else you can bring a DEFAMATION LAWSUIT for LIBEL against him, et al. probably in a Federal District Court of your location.
    But before you do that have an attorney or PI run an asset search on him because a judgment against someone without assets is useless!!!

  2. CoJonesGrandes  February 5, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Be careful everyone.
    The cabal is concentrating on the 9/11 truthers
    Here’s one that they have suicided.
    Former pilot and 9/11 conspiracy theorist shoots and kills 2 teen children, then himself

  3. Preston James, Ph.D  January 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Answer, Jim is that smuttilli is a shill, a howitzer-mouthed phoney who steals other’s ideas and pretends they are his own. Then he slanders and smears by attempting to use high tech psyops, which appear thinly disguised. He fails on all counts and ends up looking like a complete loser. This absurd POS accuses Duff of death threats (an obvious lie) and others of treason and murder. Just about always someone who does these things without being arrested is shown to be working for someone that has compromised him, like another Hal Turner. The truth will eventually out and smuttilli will be fully exposed and his schtick will collapse like a house of cards.

  4. Jim Fetzer  January 24, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Gordon told Santilli that I am not a “psy op” because I am not. The one practicing the techniques of that craft is the guy on the other side.

    Anyone who wants to discern the absurdity of Santilli’s accusations against me should simply read some of my studies on JFK and 9/11.

    Start with JFK. I am the only person in the world to have presented conspiracy lectures on his death at Cambridge, Harvard and Yale:

    “Reasoning about Assassinations”

    “Dealey Plaza Revisited: What happened to JFK?”

    “What happened to JFK–and why it matters today”

    Now, if there were anything to Santilli’s accusations, why would I be exposing the complicity of the government in the assassination?

    For more, consider some of my work on 9/11, including these articles about how we know the government is lying to us and what happened:

    “20 reasons the ‘official account’ of 9/11 is wrong”

    “Peeling the 9/11 onion: Layers of plots within plots”

    “James H. Fetzer: 9/11 IRAN REVIEW Interview”

    I have been exposing the deceit and the deception practiced by the CIA and intel ops a lot like this guy around the world unrelentingly:

    “9/11: Have we been bamboozled?”

    “The BBC’s instrument of 9/11 misinformation”

    “‘Zero Dark Thirty': The deeper, darker truths”

    I have published three books on JFK, one on 9/11 and another on the plane crash that took the life of Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-MN).

    In all these cases I have exposed governmental complicity and official corruption in covering up and concealing the truth from the people.

    There are those who claim to be exposing traitors to the American people and those of us who have actually been doing that–in spades.

    So why would this Johnny-come-lately, who knows nothing about JFK and practically nothing about 9/11, be attacking someone like me?

    That’s a rather good question for you to ask. He has lots of money, a silver-tongue and an infinite capacity for telling whopping big lies!

    Where did he come from? What has he ever done? Why is he doing everything that he possibly can to destroy the 9/11 Truth movement?

  5. K7KTR  January 22, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    That is why NO ONE should trust that Shill (Alex Jones) either.
    I have made my point over and over that in all his POLICE STATE videos, that not once does he show the LINK’S to how Israeli Forces now train US Law Enforcement.

    The ADL, DHS and GILEE sites all boast of this. Is it not interesting how these Police today (Protect & Serve) guard Bank’s while protesters RIGHTS are violated by arrest’s, slamming faces into cement and the spraying of pepper spray into the mouths of protesters. By-passing the 1st Amendment. Now they are after the 2nd Amendment.

    The Fed that Jones screams about is like the Bank’s all controlled by Jewish American’s with a agenda. They can launder Billions in Cartel monies, Fraud and scandals’ and not (1) indictment.

    The NDAA, Patriot Act’s, Thought Crimes Bill, Internet ID, Internet Kill Switch are either authored or heavily supported by dual citizen’s of Israel. There are many Jew’s who are good. Example, the over 40,000 who live in PEACE inside IRAN. There used to be 100,000 but these are PAID to go to Israel so that Israel can destroy more Palestinians home and build illegal settlements. This while bombing with US Bombs and Chemical weapon’s a 100% Civilian people who haven’t any Army, Navy, Marines or Air-Force. Jones’ sides with Israel on all this as well as Israel’s refusal to sign the NPT or allow inspections of their WMDs.
    Time marches on…

    • Preston James, Ph.D  January 23, 2013 at 11:24 pm

      Baloney, Jones doesn’t side with the dual citizen neocon traitors. He avoids confrontation because he feels it is not productive. you don’t know jack sh*t about his agenda. He has his own private script which he has designed for what he believes will attain maximum maximum impact. Whether you like him or not a lot of his work has been groundbreaking and his staff of writers and reporters are excellent. His nightly news service is outstanding.

      Actually that the adl and southern perverted smear center has allegedly harassed him in numerous ways so he must be on target. As far as I am concerned he is part of the American First movement and a true patriot.

      What have you done to expose who did 911 or the various bankster takedown ops in America? I am sick and tired of folks attempting to smear decent folks with no hard proof. That alone raises questions of jealousy or a hidden agenda in detractors. This is exactly what pete smuttilli has done repeatedly of late. The fact he has tried to smear both Jones, Fetzer and now Duff to me is very good evidence these three are rock solid, stand up men doing a great job getting the truth out even though each of them has their own personal unique style. I commend each and every one of these men and I am thankful for their reserch and articles.

    • peter  January 24, 2013 at 12:29 am

      Well said Preston. The innuendos to smear are friggin obvious.

  6. Preston James, Ph.D  January 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Santilli is a complete loser, a bald faced liar, and is obviously attempted to smear all the serious 911 researchers one by one except for his goddess, Judy Wood, accusing them of being psyoppers. Sounds like he is accusing all these esteemed researchers of what he is obviously attempting to do himself. I listened to the show live and then the replay (which has been morphed). Santilli’s replay has tampered with Professor Fetzer’s voice. This is high tech audio tamopering. The question is: who is doing this? Is it Santilli or someone “assisting him”?

    Santilli is such a liar, such a bullsh*tter that it is almost unbelievable. Obviously he better have a great deal of money or some mystery group like the ADL behind him or otherwise he will lose all his listeners. After listening to his sh*t, almost no-one can take him seriously. He has made a super-fool out of himself and probably single handedly trashed his talk show career. He is a rude, big mouthed POS who has nothing to get any truth out.

    His work IMO appears to have done nothing but spread disinformation, BS, lies, crap and slander. What a piece of work this PS scumbag is. He constantly interrupted Dr. Fetzer, talked over him, diminished and morphed down Prof. Fetzer’s voice while his was raised in volume. This PS piece of trash deserves no respect at all. This dysfunction bullsh*tter tells us all he believes 9/11 was caused by a hurricane. What crap! This sicko ought to have his ass sued from 50 different directions.

    • peter  January 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      Interesting point about the voice tampering Preston. He sure sounded serious and quick to through “ten million” then “twenty million”. His attitude seemed to suggest that he was flush and confident in funding.
      However he may have earned it for all I know.

    • Preston James, Ph.D  January 22, 2013 at 12:14 am

      Sometime folks get into a jam and have to play ball with their “captors”. It’s called human compromise ops. I am not saying this is what happened here, but it is always possible. Now stay with me here, I am speaking to the American audience not PS, so just ignore what he says. This abysmal performance and attempted smear job was so thinly disguised anyone with any sense would be “on to it” immediately. Gee maybe the weather caused all this, after all no one told us about it.

    • Preston James, Ph.D  January 22, 2013 at 12:18 am

      Now why the heck didn’t miss wood tell RS about the hurricane. Obviously she must have been part of the 911 coverup according to PS’s criteria. Afterall, now stay with me here, what is more important than the weather?

    • Preston James, Ph.D  January 22, 2013 at 12:29 am

      Dr. Fetzer’s voice had to be tampered with, obfuscated and turned down in volume while PS’s voice was higher in volume and very clear because Prof. was making perfect sense and disassembling PS in real time. Most embarrassing for PS and his lowlife style. It was amazing that Dr. Fetzer stayed with this abusive howitzer mouth through the whole show and absorbed such obvious disrespect and abuse from PS.

      It shows that Dr. Fetzer is a real scholar and a serious researcher as well as a very good man. Dr. Fetzer said he would complete the show ask PS ask him to commit to and he did. Most would never put up with such absurd abuse from PS. Despite all his apparent tricks, PS came up short and appeared petty and abusive, hard-headed and ignorant. And MR showed his true colors after pretending to be Jim’s friend while he was just the opposite. What a phoney!

    • shalomjuitsie  January 22, 2013 at 9:32 am

      keep going, you are on a roll! Disinfo=NWO agenda

    • shalomjuitsie  January 22, 2013 at 9:34 am

      the Duff interview was sweetsy , sweetsy but the PS translation was out of the twilight zone

    • Richie  January 22, 2013 at 1:17 pm

      If you read the book you would know why the hurricane/weather was so important.
      Stimulate your mind a little, I promise it won’t hurt.

    • Jim Fetzer  January 22, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      That the ADL may be funding Santilli struck a chord with me. Not long ago, the ADL published a hit piece on Gordon Duff, Alan Sabrosky, Kevin Barrett and me: “Decade of Deceit: Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 10 Years Later”, http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/911_conspiracy_theories_report.htm?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_3

      Isn’t it remarkable that those whom Santilli is pegging as “committing treason” and other garbage just happen to be among the only 9/11 Truth leaders who have spoken out about Israeli complicity in 9/11? Hurricanes, Stairwell B, and commodes are obvious red-herrings. The real target may be those who expose Mossad involvement in 9/11.

    • Jim Fetzer  January 22, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      What’s with Richie? If the hurricane/weather was so important, why do we have to read the book? Why can’t you explain it? I have never heard an explanation from Judy. Why do you fanatical followers always have to say, READ THE BOOK? It’s not the f–ing Bible, is it?

      But then, YES IT IS! To the members of this cult, the book is infallible, which is no doubt why I have been attacked so relentlessly on amazon.com for pointing out in my review that she had not excluded mini or micro nukes in her discussion attempting to rule out a nuclear event.

      The fact is that evidence presented during The Vancouver Hearings that came from the dust:

      Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets.

      Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It’s very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place.

      Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into Lithium has taken place.

      Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium.

      Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium.

      Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more “tell tale” signature of a nuclear detonation.

      Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another “tell tale” sign of nukes.

      establish that this was a nuclear event. So not only was my review of May 2012 spot on, but evidence from the USGS dust samples presented in June 2012 vindicated my observations by also exposing that her work is deficient by not including this evidence. READ THE ARTICLE.

  7. shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    uh, I would question funding anyone Santelli is associated with-Seriously!

  8. alyon  January 21, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    This witch hunt to prove Jim out as a psy-op is a fool’s errand.

    How many years has he devoted to this topic? Or the voluminous number of articles and books has he researched and written? The hours upon hours of interviews he has given and conducted? Or the simple fact that he founded Scholars?

    I gave money to AFR last year… not happening this year until Santilli goes.

  9. Richie  January 21, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    At least we now know where to direct our energy/focus as a people when it comes to 9/11 now.

  10. Richie  January 21, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Did anyone in here actually listen to the conversation they had? If you did than you would probably hear that Mr. Duff validated Judy’s work.

    • Jim Fetzer  January 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      The notion of a DEW (directed energy weapon) as she defines it–namely, as a device more powerful than conventional explosives that can be directed–also fits mini and micro nukes. So they are also DEWs. I have heard yet another hypothesis–namely, that it was done using positron, anti-matter or anti-gravity, devices–which are also DEWs. So we need to sort out what kind of energy weapon more powerful than conventional that can be directed was used. The leading candidate at present is mini or micro nukes.

    • peter  January 21, 2013 at 2:36 pm

      Gordon made some simple to the point observations. My thought was ,wow, Gordon is a really nice guy. He helped him out.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      the conversation was great and as you suggested- what the Santilli take away was and misdirection and the sabotage is the issue-undermining in adangerous way if successful other members. In reality, it showed that Santelli is an infiltrator-god bless him!

  11. Mopar21277  January 21, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Had a feeling something was really wrong when Pete started the YT upload w/Dr. Fetzer with a 10 minute pre-conditioning pysch-op monologue berating Dr. Fetz and manipulating the context for the interview. I liked Pete; something happened after his first Dr. Wood show and his YT account was deleted; they got to him somehow and made him a deal he couldn’t refuse sort of thing. Right before that, he was wild, shooting from the hip, not being careful about making comments that can get you in legal trouble, where he was essentially calling for violence against the Federal Reserve.

    He’s been on the ProjectNSearch show with Stew Webb, to provide cover for himself by aligning with good people. Stew’s been on his show before as well. Other smaller time people (Hatrick Penry, Sherrie Lea) have been on the receiving ends of profane laced tirades from Pete and have posted their rebukes on their respective sites.

    It is usually telling that those who scream against their supposed enemies are usually what they are railing against: e.g. “Troll” “Fed” “COINTELPRO.” Alex Jones is always using those tricks as well.

    In the larger scheme of things, why in the world is Dr. Wood’s work so much the priority with Pete? Her work is good, but what good is the “how” without the “who” and how to prevent and recognize future plots? Where is Pete on Sandy Hook? Also, on his twitter rants, he threatens people to not tell him what to cover.

    Finally, isn’t it a psych-op to use a hero’s (Mr. Cooper) Introduction Theme to provide yourself with credibility?

    • Jim Fetzer  January 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm

      You make an excellent point. Listen to the clip from “Late Night in the Midlands” and you will hear from Judy Wood herself that she is preoccupied with WHAT HAPPENED, not HOW IT WAS DONE, much less WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE AND WHY. Perhaps that is why her followers can be such zealots: there is very little to defend, since her claims are so limited. And her definition of DEWs is vague and ambiguous.

    • etominusipi  January 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm

      odd homophones JEWS and DEWs

  12. stonehillady  January 21, 2013 at 7:00 am

    Knew something was wrong with American Freedom Radio when Roxy Lopez left & they left that giggling wack Job on who is as useless as a fur coat in Florida.

  13. James Robertson  January 21, 2013 at 5:05 am

    We have a corny saying in Australia, “only a fool argues with a fool”, describing Mr Santilli as a fool is probably over generous, but you get the idea. Do yourself a favour Jim and simply ignore the irrelevant tiresome squawking of the Dr. Wood gang.

    Relating to Charlotte N.C Bill’s comment, I came across some very interesting information about Urban Moving Systems in an old Wayne Madsen article I will quote (June 20/2008) “The FBI was due to question (Dominic) Suter again before he fled the country.

    Later, Federal law enforcement agents discovered pipes, caps, explosive chemical materials, and traces of anthrax at the Weehawken(UMS) warehouse.” I’d love to hear the explanation for that, I am sure there is a perfectly innocent reason a removals company would need Anthrax in their work!

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:39 pm

      let us lowlies take that asshole down, Jim!

  14. peter  January 20, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    I have enjoyed reading your work at VT Mr fetzer. This is very strange. It’s as if all the hands of cards were called. I look forward to more articles.
    I’m kinda disappointed that your not a “assassination scientist” though. I was hoping to get your take on the latest version of the exploding cigar…

    • ayelyahbenjamin  January 21, 2013 at 12:35 pm

      “Its as if all the hands of cards were called”…..I have a strong feeling you are right on. In all recent broadcasts Santilli sounds paranoid, manic and mows straight over the top of all reason in his slandering of the best and respected.

  15. Martin Maloney  January 20, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    “…and altered the quality of my audio file, so it sounded as if I was calling in from a pay phone in Singapore!”

    He played the same dirty trick on Gordon’s voice, when he had Gordon as his “guest.”

    A male voice rich in bass tones conveys confidence and authority. By filtering out the bass range, Santelli made you and Gordon sound like whining little kids.

    And, yes, I’m making a big deal of it. It demonstrates the professionalism of Santelli’s smear campaign. He and/or his handlers are pulling out all the stops.

    • DaveE  January 20, 2013 at 11:32 pm

      I noticed that, too. All the more evidence that Santelli is as phony as a $3 bill.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 4:01 am

      hah, it didn’t work unless you baaah when you speak and we all know ppl who baah when they speak never heard of Duff

  16. Charlotte NC Bill  January 20, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    It’s a shame we have to waste time on someone like santilli….Dr. Fetzer and Pilots for 9-11 Truth, Architects and Engineeers and others have proven that two of the flts ( 11 and 175 ? ) weren’t even scheduled to fly that day,,,the planes that were scheduled were, at least, electronicaly hijacked and replaced…mini-nukes (2) were used in each Tower ( one in the upper floor, one in basement )….Bldg 7 was a classic controlled demo that was probably supposed to be hit by 93…many of the videos shown to us on the News have major anomalies/discrepancies…..no 767 flew into the Pentagon…this false-flag psy-op that ushered in the Decade of Lies was carried out by Mossad: it’s agents ( D. Suter/Urban Moving Systems/M Hariri) it’s assets on the ground ( Silverstein/Lowy/Hauer, etc ) and it’s allies in the Exec Branch….Mossad’s central role is the real cause of all the disinfo!

    • Jim Fetzer  January 20, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      Flights 11 and 77 were not even schedule to fly that day. The planes associated with Flights 93 and 175 were not deregistered by the FAA until 28 September 2005. So how can planes that were not in the air have crashed on 9/11? and how can planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later? Pilots has determined that Flight 93 WAS in the air that day, but was over Champaign-Urbana, IL, after it had allegedly crashed; and that Flight 175 was ALSO in the air that day, but was over Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, PA, long after it had allegedly hit the South Tower. For a detailed review of the evidence, see

      “Were the 9/11 crash sites faked?” (Seattle, WA, 13 June 2012):

      Part 1

      Part 2

    • DaveE  January 20, 2013 at 11:26 pm

      It’s truly amazing (and sickening) what the bastards have gotten (sic) away with.

    • K7KTR  January 21, 2013 at 10:54 am

      One thing is clear Mr. Fetzer,

      Those who are behind much of the Disinformation have completed their task… Divide and Conquer, have the slaves start beating each other to distract from the real picture and who really did it.

      This is like Bill O’Reilly, All he has to do is call one person a Conspiracy Nut, Tin foil hat wearer and the rest of his montage to label someone so that others will then disregard all information as false and all the truth movement is lost.

      One thing is clear, no one has the absolute truth. We wait for tid-bit’s to placed so as to see a clearer picture. But again, once anyone starts going after each other all that was gained is lost and then the media will report on them “TRUTHERS” in a negative light. That was the how it is designed from when the first stories evolved from the U.S. Governments version of their own “Conspiracy.”

      The more “WE” fight the better THEY look.
      1. the act of conspiring.
      2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
      3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
      4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
      5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

      Who ever is WRONG should MAN-UP and retract what-ever so the rest of the movement isn’t damaged.


    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      YO, MY 1ST POST DISAPPEARED INTO THE TWILIGHT ZONE AND I DIDN’T SAVE IT.I agree with much of what you said K&KTR but I think the MSM obsession is a little silly-we know who they work for and we know they will never portray us honestly.However, we can now lump Santelli and all theaffiliates that post and air his crap as coopted parts of the NWO. Santelli wants to get Duff arrested, meaning theNWO wants him arrested. I can also say that Judy Woodruff who seems to idolize Petey ia a destructive force and we need to weed these folks and their affiliates out of our midst before out beautiful zoysia lawn is filled up with crabgrass.YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR! Santelli just portrayed MSM sabotage op to the core.”The Real 9/11 Truthers” group , a judy Woodruff fan club of sorts loves Petey boy Santelli- remember that , spread the word, maybe their “useful idiots” will see the light and come to the real 9/11 folks and the real freedom fighter folks, us!

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:24 pm

      Oopsie! :*

    • K7KTR  January 21, 2013 at 6:31 pm

      Do you use Firefox?
      There is an App called Lazarus. It copies anything you typed for the (Said Page) and when or should something not post, simply right click and it will PASTE your last comment.

      This is handy on sites like YouTube who deletes your comments or Alex SHILL Jones’ sites. As a note: In all of Jones’ POLICE STATE videos he not once shows the ADL, DHS and GILEE websites all BOAST that US Law Enforcement is now solely trained by Israeli Forces. How could he miss that?

      If you think that’s a hoax, I can post the links, go to his sites and Paste them and hit refresh.. They will be GONE! Jones’ is a Shill, He works people into a lather and gets them arrested and placed into the Fusion Centers Data Mining system as Dissenters. Video’s on his COINTELPRO verify this. How he comes in and usurps a movement and beats the crowd into a feeding frenzy and the Arrests’ start.

      He has other Disinfo problems too. Like Bilder(berg) (Goldman) Sachs JPMorgan the Non-Federal Federal Reserve (Bernanke) Obama’s Jewish connection to Chicago with Emanual and others and not once does Jones show that America today is mirroring the History of Germany 1924-1933 where the Zionist’s controlled all Commerce and caused the German Currency to fail. Same premise here today as the Banks are about to collapse and of course Blame Iran.

      Which this Government can find the IP address of an over active masturbating teen who is hacking websites, but fails to show proof that Iran is behind anything. Mush like Obama’s Drone Wars and whether he is killing American’s or Arab’s and Muslim’s he not once shows a shred of proof to establish guilt. Just Kill’em.

      The recent shootings also have a link to the USE of SSRI’s. Obama insider claims Obama is also on SSRI’s and this behavior can be seen in how the US and a POLICY now drones to death CHILDREN and ALL military aged males. US Policy. This is why WE American’s today are hated. Surely it isn’t because of our alleged Freedom’s.

      Source: *******http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2012/12/marine-taliban-kids-120312w/
      Source: *******http://dailybail.com/home/us-drone-pilot-did-we-just-kill-a-kid.html


    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:27 pm

      there’s no doubt whose wrong, Santelli!

    • K7KTR  January 21, 2013 at 6:13 pm

      My point was (Yes, WE avoid the MSM, however… When those in the Truth movement’s start fighting it is then that MSM will take notice. Not of OUR MESSAGE but the fact that WE are fighting. So it makes US look even worse as then they can say… more things to discredit anything either party says.

      My late mother always said, “If you have nothing good to say then don’t say a word.” I don’t endorse anyone who defames another person. This is why I believe people (MEN) should be able to sit down and talk. Wars are started over some of the most stupid shit. Then after all the killings they have to sit sown at a table with the same person and sign or submit to terms. Where they should have started in the first place.

      On another note: Today I learned how Copper Wire was invented. From two Jew’s pulling on a penny.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 22, 2013 at 9:28 am


    • shalomjuitsie  January 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm

      I think this fight can be a win and to ignore what that guy did and let it fester-you be crazy!

  17. shalomjuitsie  January 20, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    I think Petey likes “Kosher” food!

  18. shalomjuitsie  January 20, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    haha, he’s trying to “legitimize” Pete Santilli!

  19. shalomjuitsie  January 20, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    So, you backin what Santilli did to Duff? C’mon get the “spin” machine out cause Pete’s was sadly lackin!

  20. xx  January 20, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    I like Peter T. Santilli, do you know why Jim?

    Because I have worked with Major Corporations and managed large technology projects all across the globe, for more then 20 years.

    And know when attending high level meetings, with Scientist, Engineers, and Executive Managers, “There is always a Peter Santilli attending these meetings.” And are brought into these meetings to analyze information and make certain everyone is being honest about their assessments.

    Some years ago while consulting for Hughes Aircraft, performed assessment for Major Corporate Program having many technical problems on this project. When first meeting was attended by senior executives and consulting group, the first thing the corporate head stated to our consulting group was, “Your entire assessment and report is completely wrong.” He thereafter threw the report across the conference table, and do you know why? Because he wanted to determine whether we would support our conclusions and systematically prove the details. Required time, but thereafter he was pleased with the results.

    Another senior executive after the above meeting said, “He does this to everyone, first and foremost to determine whether the consulting group will back their results, and prove the detail.”

    • DaveE  January 20, 2013 at 7:21 pm

      I worked in Corporate Amerika for 25 years. The first thing any Frat Boy- Moron- MBA- Douchebag- Wannabe- Hotshot does is belittle the engineers, technicians, the “little people” who deal in REALITY with things called FACTS, because these slimeballs are far too stupid to do so, even if they wanted to.

      They’re parasites and in their heart-of-hearts, they know it. Without the REAL people who have things like INTEGRITY and SELF DISCIPLINE and HONESTY to boss around and manipulate (by controlling the MONEY) these lowlife would have to BEG for a job at a convenience store. That’s why they’re so arrogant. There ain’t much standing between them and Skid Row and even less between their ears.

    • xx  January 20, 2013 at 7:50 pm

      Nothing you have stated relates to my comment above, absolutely nothing. Another example of avoiding real information.

    • DaveE  January 20, 2013 at 11:03 pm

      BS. That’s because your “comment ” contained no “content” in the first place. “‘High level meetings” my ass. You met with a bunch of mobsters with degrees from Harvard and Wharton and Vassar. Oooh, I’m impressed.

    • xx  January 21, 2013 at 7:16 am

      Once again, another comment with no substance, and making accusations based on absolutely nothing. Completely avoiding well known point as stated above, and thereafter providing non concise answer that avoids any substance to above stated.

      Avoids specific point made, then uses slander to attempt to make, “What they believe is an intelligent answer.”

    • xx  January 21, 2013 at 7:38 am

      You believe validation is based on, “How well you can slander people who make intelligent comments.” Thanks for your example provided above.

    • xx  January 21, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      I have a question for you Jim Fetzer,

      Why don’t you ask Gordon about the “International Cyber Stalking Ring”, the one being used to stalk and murder Americans? The one this administration will not investigate.

      Psycho operations being run at this website, for what purpose, then thereafter, what result?

    • xx  January 20, 2013 at 7:43 pm

      Unfortunately, it’s oldest trick in the book.
      Everyone who has worked for any major corporations and has attended high level meetings for “real major projects”, “where real things are accomplished”, knows the “simple rule”. Be concise when answering questions, and thereafter, follow through with reasoning and not conjecture. Avoiding answers to questions can signify the lack of experience in subject matter. And that’s well known, and simply translates into the lacking of experience to support conclusions, versus conjecture, to experienced persons in the subject being scrutinized.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 20, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      Huh? You can’t talk me into stupid! Do you support Santilli’s comments about Duff? Yes or no!

    • xx  January 20, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      This has happened to me many times in past, and something Jim Fetzer already knows.

      Your work is never perfected, until your critics help to perfect your work.

      shalomjuitsie, I don’t need anyone to follow, do you? Do you need someone to follow?

    • xx  January 20, 2013 at 9:36 pm


      I believe some of Jim Fetzer’s work is brilliant; especially his works on the JFK assassination. and enjoy reading his articles and viewing videos.

      However, sometimes propaganda agents “use” people like Jim Fetzer in attempts to legitimize their works and misinformation. Now, when many are well aware of the residing propaganda agent, of course this will damage the reputations of people like Jim Fetzer.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:58 am

      I’m on this thread cause I don’t cotton supposed truthers sabotaging fellow truthers.I could care less about the details of whose ultimately right about what specifically brought the towers down. I care that Muslims didn’t bring the towers down and the gov. and media knew they didn’t bring the towers down and have us fighting never ending wars because they supposedly did. I don’t believe in underhanded tactics to drive your point home. I will ask my question one more time. Do you support what Pete Santilli just did to Gordon DUff?

    • xx  January 21, 2013 at 7:33 am

      The radio host has right to ask any questions they so desire, it’s their radio show. And further more the format they desire, it’s called “Freedom of Speech”.

      You question,
      “Do you support what Pete Santilli just did to Gordon DUff?”

      Your asking questions that are completely irrelevant to the above stated. It does not matter whether you like or dislike someone with regards to facts or truth, because such information is not based on popularity. POPULARITY does not equal FACT or TRUTH.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 2:26 pm

      ok, one more time, and I will spell it out-listen to the whole thing. Do yoy support the characterizations Santelli made about the interview he had with Gordon Duff/ We aren’t talking about the phone call, we are talking about Petey’s interpretation of the phone call for his”baaahing”, fenced in idiots”. Is Gordon Duff trying to bring down our nation and is he part of the Sandy Hook coverup- both inferences petey ,the sweetie made. Did Gordon Duff threaten Petey boy. Please answer loud and clear.The Sandy Hook inference Petey made was on an adjoin web release

    • xx  January 21, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      Why don’t you cyber stalk some other veterans, Gordon Duff really enjoys that activity. And many are well aware of this activity.

    • shalomjuitsie  January 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      XX- no answer., I have confronted two Santelli apologists on this question and they either ignore me or smokescreen me!-you for the smokescreen

  21. DaveE  January 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I listened to some of Santilli’s rant, as long as I could stomach it (I have a JOB and a LIFE) and it was mighty disgusting, for sure.

    Great thing is, the REAL traitors and disinfo. artists are being exposed and they’re as transparent as piss, these days.

    Santilli’s got a LOT of company these days, unfortunately. I look forward to the day he’ll have a lot of company on the other side of heavy steel bars.

  22. dalethorn  January 20, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    I can just see it now – Jim Fetzer in the Merv Griffin role as the elevator killer in the Steve Martin movie, lurking the back alleys of Minnestota waiting for new victims to stab. Ouch!

  23. Fravashi  January 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Wow, sorry that Santilli was so irresponsible! He will no doubt get blowback on this unwarranted attack.

    Please post this graphic far and wide — it’s related to how IS REAL HELL intends to use Stuxnet to nuclear blackmail our nation — that will make taking all our rights away very easy. Spread this graph over all the internet! THEY don’t like it!


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