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The Nazi holocaust: My response to my critics
Alan Hart While with the BBC
The Nazi holocaust: My response to my critics
By Alan Hart
In this shortish response to those in the comment space of my own web site and others including Veterans Today who criticised, ridiculed and condemned me for what I wrote in my last two posts (WANTED – A psychiatric diagnosis of Nazi holocaust denial, which was a follow-up to Understanding the real significance TODAY of the Nazi holocaust), I quote from a very long and in-depth interview with Samuel Crowell, the author of what some regard as the definitive books which make the case for Nazi holocaust revisionism.
On one very important aspect of the matter – in my view THE most important aspect – he and me are apparently in agreement. He says: “Revisionism tends to be extreme in its rejection of Nazi atrocities.” (Atrocities which he does not reject)
Though I put it in my own words that, actually, was more or less one of my own main points. But…
There is one thing I could have said, probably should have said, to give better context to what I did say. Holocaust denial is not mainstream in North America or Europe. What I mean is that most North Americans and Europeans are reasonably rational and don’t deny the generality of the holocaust – the generality being the fact that lots of Jews were killed, exterminated, whatever word one wants to use. In my post Understanding the real significance TODAY of the Nazi holocaust, I did actually say by obvious implication that there was, is, a case for revision in terms of the numbers. And here, too, it seems, Crowell and I are of one mind. He says, “The number of victims is an uninteresting argument.” I say it can be much more than that. It can be a diversion from the main point that many Jews were exterminated.
In my view those who do deny the generality are irrational and in some cases (some means not all!), as evidenced by comments on the Veterans Today web site, are driven by rabid anti-Semitism (loathing and even hatred of Jews).
One indicator of irrationality is in my view, and for example, the knee-jerk response to me quoting Dr. Hajo Meyer, my very dear anti-Zionist Jewish friend who survived Auschwitz. He has to be lying, quite of few of my critics have asserted. Why, I ask, does he have to be lying? (I know Hajo very well and have spent many, many hours in conversation with him over some years. We lectured and debated together in South Africa and he has shared public platforms with me in the UK). When he tells me Jews were gassed to death in Auschwitz, I believe him. I also note that Crowell does not exclude the possibility of evidence emerging to prove that some Jews were exterminated in gas chambers.
On the subject of the irrational ones I received the following advice from an American friend who campaigns for truth and justice.
“My advice to you Alan is to ignore them. I have had a LOT of experience dealing with them over the years and have concluded that they are some of the most irrational creatures on the planet. For the most part they are angry, disenfranchised, intellectually lazy and marginalized, with neither spouses nor children, and which I personally think forms the prime motivational energy for their ‘activism’ – the fact that they are bored, lonely and sexually frustrated.”
That is no doubt a considerable overstatement on my American friend’s part but I think there’s a good deal of probable truth in it.
I also think it’s more than possible that some of the deniers are doing Zionism’s business, paid or unpaid.
My main concern was and is that holocaust denial plays into Zionism’s hands. It reinforces in brainwashed Jewish minds the idea that the world has always been against Jews, always will be, and therefore anything and everything the Zionist (not Jewish) state does is justified.
I am NOT in principle against revising anything including the Nazi holocaust. (How could I be when my three-volume book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews is a complete revision of the whole history of the making and sustaining of the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel, exposing and then replacing Zionist propaganda nonsense with the documented truth of history? And thank God or somebody for Israeli “revisionist” meaning honest historians like my dear friend and ally in common cause Ilan Pappe). What I am against is revisionism of the kind that is denial by another name because, it bears repeating, that reinforces Zionism. (Those who read me on my own site know that I regard Zionism as evil).
In conclusion I have only this to say to those who assert that I am a clever propagandist for Zionism – You are bonkers (crazy)! Go see a psychiatrist and get some help. Or obtain and read my book – I dare you to do that.
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“Those who deny the killing of the jews, I do not use the word Holocaust, because it is tainted by the greed of those who profited and still are profiting from the death of millions, I suggest you look up
the films made by the US army cameramen after the liberation of those death camps. They show the real situations, not tainted by any zionist propaganda. Hundreds and thousands of dead lying around, more dying by the hour. Not only jews, but gypsies, russians, polaks, communists, priests, or any othe human being who had the disfortune to get into the hands of those killers.”
Those so-called “death camps” videos were not shot by US Army camera men but by the best Hollywood film producers having been sent there to make those documentaries. Billy Wilder was one of them. As we all know Hollywood can make anything look real.
Yes indeed, Judson.
I became a “revisionist” if not a full-bore denier after viewing “Imaginary Witness: Hollywood and the Holocaust.” It was produced by Jewish Hollywood producers & film historians.
for athousandyearsareover. that you get this right. no one had been gassed in the camps or somewhere else. not a jew, not a gipsy, not a homosexuell, or whoever. not one person. that is a fact. i came to this conclusion after 25 years of research. i asked inmates of auschwitz, auschwitz-birkenau,theresienstadt, bergen-belsen und dachau. at the end of the war inmates died of typhus . par example: after theresienstadt was liberated by the americans the inmates were not allowed to leave the camp before july 45. during this time most of the casualties occurred. i am sure, all this people didn’t lie to me. who tells you otherwise is a liar.
Why this article? Do we have a problem? It seems to me that Jews in our society have been more successful than any other minority group. So just continually baiting people with “Jew this” and “Jew that” should by all rights create more anti-Jewish animosity, not less. Unless that’s the plan.
lol rofl FAIL !
your “critics” you like to call “deniers” provided plenty of information and links.
Einstein said repeating an experiment the same way expecting different results = madness..
and here ya are again suggesting its others who need a shrink? LMAO!
you’re apparantly more concerned about what some fascists did or didnt do halfway around the world,
some 70 years ago, than psychopathic fascists who are in power TODAY?
dude, get a head check and/or retire already, you’re sure a waste of MY time.
Got to disagree about the numbers not mattering, a million people is a lot of people, let alone 2 or 3. But the discussion should be conducted on a serious basis, not just cheap dismissals and worse on either side, which does no one any good.
the numbers DO matter:
A. 800,000 German civilians were starved to death in WWI by Hart’s own Brits. Based on the way Edwin Black dismisses that fact as ‘the fault of German mismanagement’ (in “The Transfer Agreement”), it is reasonable to assume that NO JEWS died of starvation in Germany in WWI.
B. 600,000 German civilians were deliberately incinerated by Allied firebombing in WWII. The Jewish architect, Erich Mendelsohn, assisted Standard Oil and US Air Force to the extent that they built replicas of German (and Japanese) housing to practice bombing them, in order to find the most efficient way to create a firestorm & kill the greatest number of working-class civilians. The goal was to terrorize civilians and decimate the working class. The site of the replica buildings is the desert in Utah at Dugway. It is a chemically polluted no-man’s land today.
C. AFTER ARMISTICE, Eisenhower allowed to die or caused to die somewhere between 1.5 and 3 million German civilians and disarmed combatants. The rules of war at the time required that a conquering/occupying army provide food & shelter for those in captured territory, but Eisenhower deprived them of food, they lived in holes in mud, and Ike’s troops occasionally bulldozed the fields where they were dug in — bulldozing persons and all.
D. Perhaps 2 million German women were raped by Russian & Allied soldiers post-armistice.
When Alan Hart spends as much time discussing these war crimes and crimes against humanity, perhaps I will scare up a tear for his holocaust survivor pal who knows somebody who knew somebody who carried cyanide-dosed bodies from a gassing chamber to a crematoria, where they were burned at the rate of 400/hour, defying laws of physics. Of course, this is Jews we’re talking about, and the usual laws do not apply to Jews.
Jews make huge profits every time they can get Protestant to fight Catholic or Christian to fight Muslim. The entire religion is dedicated to ruining the freedoms and lives of non jews. Any suffering jews did in the past can be experienced today in Palestine.
Alan you have some fair points, though numbers do matter, but is it any more irrational than the much larger numbers of people who deny Allied atrocities that also killed millions, or go to great lengths to cover them up, enabling the same thing to be repeated, if in updated forms?
For example.
The statement that anyone who disputes the holocaust claims is a neo nazi, skinhead or simply doesn’t like Jews is false. Paul Rassinier was a member of the French resistance during world war 2 who was arrested by the Gestapo and interned at Buchenwald and Dora. After the war he became increasingly skeptical of claims by other concentration camp inmates.
http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/rassinier.html
Alexander McClelland was an Australian soldier who fought against the Italians in Libya and the Germans in Crete. He was captured by the latter and spent time in pow camps and eventually wound up in Theresienstadt. Based on his own experiences and 30 years of research he became a holocaust revisionist.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/mcclelland/book.html
The grand strategy of Israeli Zionists includes both the expulsion of Palestinians, and the destabilization and fragmentation of neighboring countries (in the Middle East). The application of this strategy is explained in a 1982 policy paper by Oded Yinon, attached to Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
“Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run, it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Bagdad and Mosul in Shiite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north.”
As John Pierpont Morgan, the financier used to say: For everything there is a good reason and a real reason….
An updated call for the destabilizaion of Israel’s enemies, “A Clean Break: Strategy for securing the Realm” was written for Netanyahu by American neoconservatives Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Douglas Feith in 1996 (all of them ethnically Jewish)…. and later implemented by the Bush administration in 2003 and continues to this day…. It appears, that since the Jews were “uprooted” out of Central and Eastern Europe by means of the so-called “holocaust” and found themselves “replanted” in Palestine, in accordance with Zionist and Allied programs. Nowadays it is the Arab Palestinians who are being “driven” out of Palestine, their OWN country…. But then, the state of Israel has always disregarded the conventions that other nations feel bound to respect…. When will Israel ever learn, When will Israel ever learn….
So that is why we currently have an ongoing “Arab spring” and this upheaval all along the north African coast. The official party line is that Israel had nothing to do with it… No no, of course not, heaven forbid! Who will end up ruling the New World Order?” The Meistersingers of Zion!
Alan Hart has been now for a while entertaining us with a New Holohoax Apologetic Article every couple of days or so, as a kind of a collective “answer to his critics”, ignoring the rule that a writer is subject to criticism for what he or she writes, being in the obligation to answer every and each criticism that might come, unless he or she is dishonest, a mere propagandist for the puppet masters, whose myths-demagogy-lies, he or she want us to swallow raw, the way they are served, in defense of the Mafia, he or she is part of, or paving the way for the hidden agenda, he or she is paid to promote.
Alan Hart uses VT merely as posting pipe, do not address the individual challenging comments from VT readers, directly related to issues raised by his undocumented allegations, and on top of that, has the nerve to talk down, in a laughable arrogant way to those, who challenge his views and ask him to present the evidence, in support of his allegations-those of his friends, and/or refute with arguments the FACTS, presented by his opponents.
If, to begin with, I gave Alan Hart the credit of doubt about where he stood-what vales he defended (I thought even that he might have been threatened or blackmailed by the Zion Talmudic Mafia), now I have had enough proof, from his own desk, that he is a shrewd Hasbarist, with a foot in each camp, who has fooled the Palestinians, and in general the Goyim, for decades.
Anyone who says that the liar-murderous Golda Meir is his friend and in the same time claims that he has the Palestinians cause at heart, would definitely be fooling everyone else but the Zion Talmudic Tribe.
The Jewish Holocaust has slowly morphed into a sort of religious fable if you will, not so much because of its appeal for truth or logic, but because of its homely appeal to western man who historically has stood for the classic underdog in our society. The Germans were and are portrayed as the villians who overpowered the defenseless jews and tried to destroy them in “death camps” often equipped with gas chambers. In its appeal to the minds of westerners, especially Americans, the holocasut story is one of those sagas that sounds good on the first hearing but simply cannot stand the second or third reading of it technical parts or logic. Did the Germans hate the jews enough to simply kill them for sport … one has to confront that possibility if one seeks to explore all aspects of the second world war.As some scholars have noted, the question of the jews was a secondary consideration during the war for obvious reasons. In reading the memoirs of principle players of the war such as General Eisenhower, Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaull, and others, there is no mention of 6 million dead Jews or homocidal gas chambers in all of their writings,.Nothing. General Patton who fought the German army and saw death first-hand on the battle fields never hinted that the Germans acted out of the ordinary in regards to war crimes. So how did the holocaust story gain so much status as to be widly believed by millions of unsuspecting victims. During the latter phases of the war, when it was very apparent that Germany would not only lose the war but would be severely beaten down and occupied, it would be so easy to inflate the numbers a bit and throw in gas chambers for shock effect for the American audience. Yes jews were being killed along with many other nationalities, but this fact alone would not create any amount of inordinate sympathy for them, so the story of fire belching cremataries, mass exterminations, and the familiar 6 million dead jews was added. But the authors of this holocaust story overestimated their abilities when they inserted the mythical “gas chambers” into the narrative to make it interesting … gassing people is a highly technical operation and is not to be taken lightly. Poisionous gas such as cyanide, which was used in Zyklon-B a fumigation agent the Germans used to rid clothing of bed bugs and lice, has chemical properties that must be understood for it to be used successfully or the camp personnel or guards will be dead long before the prisoners ever encounter it. It has to be carefully prepared and administered or it will kill those handliing it. The technical problems associated with trying to kill hundreds of thousands of people with a lethal gas would have been unimaginable … yet not one case of mistaken handling or mishap with the entire gassing process has ever been reported, even by the holocausters themselves. Not one. Germans were good record keepers, and not one instance of a gassing gone wrong was recorded. That alone is astonishing …. non-stop gassing of hundreds of thousands of people for 3 years presumably, and not one case of a mistake. The laws of probablity will not admit that one … its simply too great a climb to believe. Laws of chemisty are real and must be followed… for example, in the fumigation chambers for clothing and bedding, the Zyklon-B must be heated above 79f before it turns into a gas form from a solid, and once it has cooled down below 79f it returns to a liquid state that sticks to all surfaces including human skin, hair, clothing and walls. In other words using poisionous gas is a precise and dangerous operation that is not willy-nilly or lots of people will die unintended deaths. The official holocaust story cannot be true on its merits, even if the Germans had really tried to kill all the jews, it could not have happened using gas chambers as claimed. I don’t believe the Germans tried to kill the jews for simply being jews … but they sure had reasons to want them out of their country. Some jews died and many were relocated … why, because the jews were officially recognized as enemies because of their involvment with partisans who were murdering Germans behind the lines (illegal under Geneva) in Russia and the international jewish declaration of war against Germany when Britain declared war in 1939.
You made some valid points Judson.The one major point that most people don’t understand is this.The infrastructure of Germany was laid waste.The allies ran out of targets.The whole of Germany was starving.The medical staffs could not keep up with the massive typhus outbreaks along with starving inmates.The reason why the propaganda films were made was to deflect the blame away from the saturation bombings.Lets not forget the fire bombings of Dresden which was overcrowded with refugees killing over 100,000 not to mention destroying a historical jewel of a city.
Harris lied about not targeting German civilians per se, which he admitted internally during the war, he was out to kill the biggest number he could. By Feb. 45 the only real reasons to bomb Dresden were that it was a ‘virgin’ target, and to show the Soviets what BC could do (as the ‘order of the day’ stated). Plus it was carpet bombed with incendiaries, even though there was practically no air defence left to stop precision bombing, and most AA had been moved east to the frontlines by then.
Then there was Pforzheim, bombed about a week later, a small town in SW Germany, main industry watches and clocks, killing up to 20,000 people, a third of the population. A sheer massacre at a point when Germany was collapsing on all fronts anyway. Or Potsdam even later, amongst others.
The statue of Harris is a disgrace, though as he said, he was just carrying out orders from higher up, but with relish.
Dresden was considered an ‘open city’, meaning, undefended effectively.
To my way of thinking this issue arises from the evidence provided by Stalin at Nuremberg.
Further problems arise when looking at the Treaty of Versailles following WW1.
It appears to me that WW1 laid the ground work for the new state of Israel. WW2 reinforced the groundwork made in WW1.
Perhaps WW3 will be to enlarge Israel to the size, and with the resources, necessary to control the world.
They will fail, just as they have in the past. Just a shame the rest of us have to pay such a high price.
Then there’s the minor detail that not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists.
Zionism is poison.
What a hoot ! Yes Alan, just ignore those nasty ole denier’s ! The generality of the Holocaust, or hoax as I like to use, and lots of Jews were killed also is quite funny. Funny in that when I argued with, imagine that, a “survivor” teacher when I was 7 in the second grade about the 6 Million being a estimate, he was quite emphatic that it was a real number. Now I guess it’s still extermination, but maybe the total amount was wrong ? How wrong, and how long before we can get to the truth ?
Don’t worry, that number will never change, and neither will it being a holocaust. Not because it’s the truth, but because the ones that control things are never going to change their official stories. The brainwashing has been too long, too intense for most to even think anything could be different that what they’ve been told it was.
It’s funny your friends with superman, and he believes those nasty ole denier’s could be saved by having sex, strange ? Maybe it’s bizarro superman ?
Theodor Herzl, (1860 – 1904) founder and “grandfather” of modern Zionism designed a program for the establishment of a Jewish State… For exact details read “Herzl” by Amos Elon, pp 137 – 144
…Herzl saw… that anti-Semitism was in fact inevitable… His answer was to create a Jewish state….
First and foremost a suitable territory must be found somewhere and Jewish sovereignty over it properly negotiated.
Emigration to the new territory not clandestine, but organized openly on a vast scale. …a well planned scientific operation… Everything would be ready, housing, employment, educational facilities, etc…
The exodus to be financed by a worldwide Jewish national loan….
European governments pleased to have solved their Jewish problem, would also willingly subscribe…
….(And Herz went “shopping” for sponsors….) His plan, step by step:
1. Fund raising
2. Beginning of publicity (Antisemitic and liberal press more than happy to help)
3. Surveyors to begin looking for a suitable land.
4. Further publicity, on a vast scale. Let Europe laugh, swear – but let them talk about it.
5. Negotiations for possession and purchase of land.
6. Issuance of land priorities
7. Purchase and construction of ships
8. Continious enlistment of all recruits, their assignment and training
9. Beginning of publicity for the big subscription (national loan)
10. Expedition to take possession of the land. News reports in all the newspapers.
11. Demarcation of provinces in the new land, and selection of sites for new cities.eei
12. Construction of embarkation centers, in the meantime, by workers from Russia, on the Italian or Dutch coast (depending on the site of the new territory
13. Fare and freight contracts with the rail road companies. We must make a big profit on transportation.
14. To the German Kaiser. (Request privileges from him!)
Theodor Herzl died in 1904, and Chaim Weizmann took over the reins of the Zionist movement. The Rothschilds were busy buying up parcels of land in Palestine… Chaim Weizmann insisted that the new Jewish state be in Palestine under the aegis of the British Empire… Thus it seems, that British “policy” of neglecting relations with the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East neatly dovetailed with the Zionist program of the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine…
See, “Chaim Weizmann” The Making of a Statesman, Volume II by Jehuda Reinharz
See also, “Trial and Error” Autobiography by Chaim Weizmann, himself.
See “A Peace to end all Peace” The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East by David Fromkin
Since, relatively few Jews lived on the British Isles, the Zionists looked to the European continent which had a large Jewish population particularly in Eastern Europe… who could be made available for “resettlement” to Palestine… In order to convince them to move to Palestine, the existing order on the European continent needed to be destroyed. Thus, World War I and the Bolshevik Revolution, followed by a massive global economic depression during the 1930s and the rise of various dictators all over Europe…. The Allies and the Zionists instigated World War II to redraw the map of continental Europe, destroy Western civilization and as a bonus achieve the Zionist dream of a Jewish state in Palestine by relocating millions of Jews to Palestine….
Having no facts to support their claims, the Zionists used the victorious Allies to conduct their “high class lynching parties” at Nuremberg and elsewhere to fabricate their “holocaust story”, and the more they told their “story”, the taller it got… using the Mossad motto “by way of deception thou shalt make war.”
Jack Martin, very good posts here and the one you wrote on February 8, 2013 at 9:26 pm to Hart’s article “WANTED – A psychiatrist…”
The historical facts, you refer to in you post, are indeed very important to consider and remember. The British Govt was absolutely complicit of the Zion Talmudic Mafia (led by Rothschild) in manufacturing the turmoil that led to WW I – WW II and in the illegal creation of the state of Israel. France helped too (Skye-Picot accords about how to carve the Middle East between France and GB).
I wander whether Alan Hart has been/is a a long time collaborator of British Intelligence (overtaken by the Zion Talmudic Mafia since the beginning of the 20th century).
You know what I finally got convinced and now believe the CI crowd that I am a jew because they say that whites are the real jews. Now I can claim to be a holocaust survivor. It is now time to get my reparations from Germany too.
Several of the comments here seem to suggest that just because they lost family members-or heard of hushed events by other family members, this means the planned genocide of millions of ethnic people must have occurred.
WRONG.
WW2 saw the extermination of millions of civilians, hundreds of thousands of whom were murdered by the so-called good guys. Why was starvation and typhoid a plague across Northern and Eastern Europe? Answer this question honestly and you will begin to clearly see.
For those who have no knowledge of war, it ain’t like the movies. John Wayne doesn’t fly in on a helicopter and wipe out the miscreants. Lots of innocent people get hurt in war, sometime on purpose, by the very people you think are doing right.
Intentional genocide is a way different animal. This is the planned extermination of a group of people singled out for whatever reason. According to popular history, the holocaust was one such event-one that only exists due to damning personal testimony. So, one must ask, was any other group also fingered by the holocaust? We hear echoes of gypsies, conscientious objectors, homosexuals, pathological criminals, yet if they have a story why is it that it has never been told?
Mr. Hart and others would have us all blindly accept, as an act of faith, that is to say without any real evidence, that an unholy genocide against but one ethnic group took place, and over a period of some 6 or so years, 6 million were slaughtered. Intentionally. Without any documentation. So, while Dr. Mengele’s evil experiments advanced the study of humans in high altitude environments, the actual murder of a million or so people a year passed by on the sly. Yeah, right.
We are told by Mr. Hart that the holocaust reins in Israeli aggression, while we have testimony from people who served in high office in Israel admit the holocaust is used to control their opposition. Who are we supposed to believe? Who do you believe, dear reader, the confession of those who wield the weapon, or the one who claims the weapon does not exist?
Ultimately, the holocaust isn’t even about an event any longer, its about a weapon that has been deployed to subdue criticism and independent thought, to cow those who don’t like being shaken down into accepting it, and to excuse abominable behavior as a-ok.
Frankly, I’m a little tired of the incessant horn blowing over the so-called holocaust. Like most myth, the reality means nothing any more. What is real is that people are looking for the key to unlock the holocaust shackles across the western world, and little by little, they are fashioning this key from raw materials. The crude keys made so far have exposed the edifice supporting the holocaust myth, and have begun to loosen those shackles. It matters not what Mr. Hart says, he is not in the driver seat of this operation, and it will continue despite him, or with him, but it will continue.
“AND we’re….”sexually frustrated”
Well, now we know a little more about ourselves if we don’t buy “The Industry’s” Story,… “Lock, Stock & Barrel”.
There is very little that is instructive, credible or intellectually enlightening in Mr. Hart’s puerile & insulting effort, here, except in its reliance on identical deceptive as ploys as recommended by W.J.S.U.’s “Hasbara Handbook”
The “Hasbara Handbook” is among the many obfuscation tools issued to Zionist Internet Trolls who must rely on “Name Calling”, “Testimonial”, “Point Scoring” rather than well reasoned argument or credible & well documented facts.
“Zionism and the art of propaganda: downplaying rationality”
http://adamite.wordpress.com/tag/hasbara/
I’ll let V.T. readers note the similarities and, hopefully research “The Hasbara Handbook” themselves.
If Mr. Hart has attempted to convert his intended audience; Open Minded students of History (aka “Deniers”) he has failed dismally.
“Writing 101″ holds that one does not insult those whom he hopes to persuade.
Mr. Hart has simply exemplified the moral, ethical and intellectual bankruptcy behind “The Industry’s” Product/Story and its Well Heeled, mean spirited hucksters who prey voraciously on Jews and non-Jews alike.
I have enjoyed many of Mr. Hart’s works in the past, wish him well and hope that he will be more thoughtful in his future writings
. Thanks,
Gray
It is a jew World Order meaning elite jews,obviously, not Abe Kaplan walking his kids to synagogue. The jews themselves say they are a religion, a race and a nation . The Talmud tells them they will one day rule. I use the word jew cause it more accurately explains what we are up against, and it’s too difficult to say jewish Talmudic leaders who command the loyalty of 80% of the jewish nation-they are the problem-when I say jews, that’s what I mean-of course the jewish sheep that are seeped in Talmud culture are a problem cause subconsciously, they most likely hold typical views in accordance with the Talmud though they are too busy in their personal lives to give it much thought. It”s a problem cause time and again a jew will enter and discussion room and demand certain topics be off limits- if they don’t complain to Facebook or the admin and if they don’t get their way, they will leave- many of these jews won’t admit they are jews-so, it’s a problem, and they will not discuss the problem of excessive jewish power abuse
“the Jews themselves say they are a religion ,a race and a nation”.
Where’s the nuance.
Most Israeli Jews are atheist party people,that never read the Talmud.
50% of Tel-aviv young Jews don’t do army service.
Most Israeli’s want the ultra orthodox Jews to “share the burden”,military service.
That’s calling for civil war,because orthodox Jews (about 12% of population) are rabidly anti -Zionist.
You’re talking about Religious Zionism,which is a contradiction in terms.
Without Prophet and Meshiah ,Jews will not rule in Israel.
That’s Religious Judaism in a nutshell,waiting for the messiah.
Zionism has no Jewish religious basis,and was therefore rejected by European Jewry before ww2,and all Orthodox Jews world wide,Satmar,neturei Karta etc.
The Rabbi’s buying into this fraud will be seen as the greatest danger to Judaism and the world.
Jewish history is full of tragedies caused by rabbi’s and political movements perverting Torah Judaism.
Even in ww2 there were too many Rabbi’s collaborating with the Nazi’s.
Judaism is a religion,that’s all,and Zionism is changing Judaism into a Hollywood production,enacting the prophecies ,in order to fullfill the promises in the Torah.
This is Israel,
Shalom Hanoch(singer) “waiting for the messias”;
“Bitter December -the headlines cried out,
And the minister of Finance gave an interview on the news;
The public is stupid ,so the public will pay,
what comes easily ,disappears just as easily.
The little man is forced to pay dearly.
And to me Yardenah is more interresting than all the rest,
Go to reserve duty,and count the money that’s not there.
The Messiah isn’t coming- he isn’t phoning either”.
Don’t worry Mr. Hart. To me also it is more important that jews and others deserving of suspicion were singled out and destroyed. I figure any story teller worth his salt tells with color, but the grain of “truth” still lies under the nacre. My grandparents were german citizens in germany at that time. They told me shhh went on concerning the jews and that everyone knew it.
History repeats itself and the same thing is going on here right now at the ol’ home(land) against us, and while so many here are all wrapped up about the “joos”, they are not paying attention to the filling sand that is over their feet, and is passing or past their middle. When our heads are REALLY under the sand, it’s going to be too late. Prisoners are always abused and guards always become sadists. Who cares how they do it, the important fact is that they do. It’s human nature.
How true, the best stories are always woven in a way to stir the emotion, based on just enough truth to make suspension of disbelief possible. After all, real evidence is pretty dry.
I do actually recall a few personal testimonies myself, some of which are very easy to believe. How about that great economist in Portugal who turned out to be no such animal, but a great con? A stirring story there, no doubt.
The crux of Alan’s argument:
1. I have a friend who says Jews were gassed
2. I wouldn’t be friends with a liar
3. therefore, Jews were gassed.
Only upside of Eurabia is these shills will be put in their place.
Mr. Hart
First of all,ample evidence exists today that the current holocaust mythos is exactly what leads to current conditions. In other words, conditions are what they are today because of certain supporting edifices. The holocaust supports the condition of Israel’s exceptionalism, sir, to suggest anything else is to be immune to the facts.
If indeed, the as you claim the holocaust worked as a check and balance on Israel, then why is it that the Jewish experience includes ample evidence of terrorism, murder, political and monetary control, extortion, weapons smuggling, and outright traitorous acts against allied military forces without any sanction or reprisal?
I have to conclude you are grasping for straws here. Your emotions want to believe in the horrific victimization of a certain ethnic group, and they have clouded your judgement, sir!
I will for the moment overlook the primitive attack on inquiry that you have launched in our direction, but I have not forgotten it sir, nor will I, and I will demand that you to refrain from such base insults in the future. Your reputation is on the line, and you are burning through your good will at an extraordinary rate. We are not cowards. and we will not be cowed by baseless attacks. If you want dialogue you can have it. If you want a fight I caution you sir, you are dealing with people who know how to fight.
The real issue is a simple one. You can either take a look at Mr. Hagel’s confirmation, at 911, at Sandy Hook, at Palestine and see reality, or you can continue to slide deeper into delusion.
You can understand that many here know quite well that war is Hell, and innocents get killed, but this is way far and away from the accusations of holocaust. If you want people to believe today that the holocaust was more than a German effort to reduce partisan activity, then you had better start gathering some facts. Please note, your eyewitness testimony is rejected here, because of the self serving nature of this so-called experience. You can use this testimony IF and only IF it is backed up with real fact. We will need actual documents, requisition orders, payment receopts, evidence of where the gas was manufactured, delivered and stored, the contractors who carried out this work, and the patents, orders, and chain of command orders that created this entire event. This is not too much to ask, the Jewish researcher at the Nuremberg “trials” made mention himself that the Reich was document rich, but no documents existed to prove there ever was a holocaust. Your job, Mr, Hart, is to prove him wrong and present this case to us.
If you are not willing to do this, then I for one will no longer suffer your over emotionalized attacks designed to keep your dying world view on an even keel.
I am torn. Hart is either an ignorant old dinosaur or a provocateur. Either way, the only part of this series worth reading is the comments section.
Note that the author does not refute anything concerning bolshevik communism. He can’t.
He makes no note that questioning established WWII history is a felony in Germany, Austria, and other EU nations today. The book “Banged Up” recounts the 400 days world famous historian David Irving spent in Austrian prison, losing his home and livelihood, inflated charges and a kangaroo court ruining his life by misrepresenting statements he had made 16 years previously.
The misery of this debate is that, while anybody with real curiosity will find that banking, media, university endowments and professorships, as well as governments themselves serve the whim of the Rothschild-based cartel, WWIII is happening right now. The cartel acts completely outside of or rewrites the laws through stooges like the US senate and congress, and the rest of us are left to study the lies in detail.
The value of VT is as an educational site for US military leadership. Either they do not read, are on the take, or are biding their time ad infinitum.
Mr Hart – I think you will find that the origins of questioning jewish accounts of the so called ‘Holocaust’ goes back to real events following the FIRST World War. The doubt began with some observant people who had rather long memories.
There is an interesting book now on sale entitled something like ‘The first Holocaust’. This work details how jewish leaders in Northern America published a series of interlocking articles in the New York Times and newspapers across America during the early 1920s – making accusations that “Six Million Jews” had been murdered during the fighting in the First World War.
These articles horrified the Embassies of European countries that were involved in the fighting – from both the allied and German sides. Fortunately the casualty records kept by military authorities in those days were extremely accurate and correct down to the last bandage issued. They were able to comprehensively rebut the claims as being completely untrue.
It transpired that the articles had in reality been an attempt to trick Americans into donating money to help the imaginary survivors of this imaginary massacre. The money was actually being raised to fund the jewish diaspora in Poland – and to equip the communist Red Army in it’s attempt to enslave Europe.
The people who had followed these events could perhaps be forgiven for their scepticism 25 years later!
I have no doubt that some jews died in the Second World War – just the same as did people from every other faith and race in far greater numbers. The end of the war saw the extremely successful campaign by the Royal Navy to prevent food getting into Germany to the extent that they could not feed their own soldiers on the front line – let alone camp detainees.
Jewish leaders outside of Germany did not help the plight of jews within Germany – after they declared war on Germany in 1933 – and urged all jews everywhere to attack the Germans and to boycott their economy. Jews may not have been interned at all if it were not for this. This is all a matter of historical record.
“AND we’re….”sexually frustrated”
Well, now we know a little more about ourselves if we don’t buy “The Industry’s” Story,… “Lock Stock & Barrel”.
There is very little that is instructive, credible or intellectually enlightening in Mr. Hart’s puerile & insulting effort, here, except in its reliance on identical deceptive as ploys as recommended by W.J.S.U.’s “Hasbara Handbook”
The “Hasbara Handbook” is among the many obfuscation tools issued to Zionist Internet Trolls who must rely on “Name Calling”, “Testimonial”, “Point Scoring” rather than well reasoned argument or credible & well documented facts.
The following are just a few excerpts from:
“Zionism and the art of propaganda: downplaying rationality”
http://adamite.wordpress.com/tag/hasbara/
I’ll let V.T. readers note the similarities and, hopefully research “The Hasbara Handbook” themselves:
“Zionism and the art of propaganda: downplaying rationality”
http://adamite.wordpress.com/tag/hasbara/
EXCERPTS “The World Union of Jewish Students produces a book on how to promote Zionism through manipulations worthy of Goebbels. Here are some extracts.
“SEVEN BASIC PROPAGANDA DEVICES
“Name Calling
Through the careful choice of words, the name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol. Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try and get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea. The most obvious example is name calling – “they are a neo-Nazi group” tends to sound pretty negative to most people.
“TESTIMONIAL:
Testimonial means enlisting the support of somebody admired or famous to endorse an ideal or campaign….”
“POINT SCORING:
Point scoring is a method of communication that prioritizes making certain points favorable to the speaker, and attacking opponents of the speaker by trying to undermine their positions.
….and attempting to cultivate a dignified appearance.”( i.e. “…ignore them”)CONTINUED
If Mr. Hart has attempted to convert his intended audience,; Open Minded students of History (aka “Deniers”) he has failed dismally.
“Writing 101″ holds that one does not insult those whom he hopes to persuade.
Mr. Hart has, in this piece, exemplified the moral, ethical and intellectual bankruptcy behind “The Industry’s” Product/Story and its Well Heeled, mean spirited hucksters.
I have enjoyed many of Mr. Hart’s works in the past, wish him well and hope that he will be more thoughtful in his future writings.
Thanks,
Gray
I think we should give Alan Hart, a former BBC mainstream journalist some credit for his brave comments about 911 on a radio show, excerpt from an article:
Regarding 9/11, Hart suggested that while there may have been some original terrorist plot conceived by fellow-travelers of Osama Bin Laden, the Israeli Mossad, with its near-total penetration of Middle Eastern governments and terrorist groups alike, would have quickly detected and hijacked the operation to its own ends, orchestrating a spectacularly successful attack on America designed to be blamed on its Arab and Muslim enemies. Hart added that the Mossad operation that became 9/11 would have been aided and abetted by certain corrupt American leaders.
Brian: I don’t agree with Alan’s notion 911 was originally created by Muslims, 911 was a Jewish Zionist operation from the beginning, but very few mainstream or former mainstream journalist have the courage to blame the Mossad for 911.
I’m not excusing Alan’s absurd, extremely rude comments about people who believe the scholarly revisionists regarding the Holocaust but I really don’t think Alan is a Zionist asset, I think the idea the Holocaust didn’t happen is just extremely mind boggling to him and it makes him feel guilty to think about it.
Mr. Hart at least connects Mossad and 9/11.
To understand the rest of what he says ,you have to understand what the Mossad is,when it was created ,by whom,and who controls them.
Mr. Hart will not have missed the uncomfortable situations for Israel created by Mossad activities abroad since the 60′s.
Therefore his almost contradictory comments on 9/11 and Israel’s involvement.
Mr. Hart, Firstly thank-you for the reply to the many criticism of your original article. You are entitled to your opinions, however arrived at, based on the evidence you choose to avail your self of’. Revisionists, deniers whatever you call those of us who have made an effort to study this part of history; which i might add a preponderance of the worlds governments take exception too and punish those of us who do study this aspect of recent events!. This is the only part of the historical narrative (The holocaust) one is not allowed to study or revise! why is that, could it be there is something to hide ? a big lie to be covered up?
Here are some undisputed facts which would tend to discredit the Holocaust narrative.
1) Up until late 1941 the German government along with other German agencies gave the Jewish population of the occupied territories the opportunity to leave and emigrate to Spain the UK, USA and other destinations but prohibited their emigration to Palestine. The German government was well aware of the Rothschild letter and Balfour declaration promising Palestine to the Jews.
2) The American and other Allied forces were the wrong side of the Elbe and Rhine when Russian troops were at the gates of Berlin, considering all the so called death camps were on polish territory over run by Russia months before, the notion that these camps were liberated by the armed forces of America Britain or France is an absolute propaganda lie.
3) Why were the US and European allies held back? because the allies had for eighteen months or so had absolute air supremacy over Europe; the road, rail bridges and infrastructure had long been destroyed in the bombing campaign, so by mid 1943 any reasonable prospect of supplying the polish camps with food, medical supplies and in particular the hundreds of thousands of tons of coal/coke to feed the inmates and fuel the crematoria became impossible even for the highly efficient Germans.
4) Or the evidence provided by a secret team with ground penetrating radar who visited various camps and the result was that where the burning pits and mass graves were supposed to be was a fiction the ground had not been disturbed for years before world war two even started.
5) Ellie Wiesel’s and many other so called survivors evidence has been completely discredited, even the Ann Frank diaries using modern forensic techniques were shown to be written by the same person after the war and with writing implements not available at the time claimed for the girl to use.
6) The so called gas chambers show no staining from the Zyclon B! yet the delouse centers do or the fact that for this granular/powdered chemical Zyclon B to give off hydrogen Cyanide requires the temperature to be raised to 25 degrees C or above and this in a Polish stone building a converted air raid shelter in the dead of a Polish winter or summer when the days this temperature is reached can be counted on one hand.
This is only a small part of the evidence counter to the Holocaust narrative it would take a new book to detail it all.
7) The only people who are in need of psychiatric help are those Jews who are not Jews but do lie. i.e. the 90 odd percent of the Jews who are Ashkenazim converts to the Faith are NOT Semite and have no biological connection to the land they now claim as their own. The John Hopkins and Adelaide universities study of Mitochondrial DNA has proven these figures. or the evidence contained in the Books by Sholmo Sand, Eustace Mullins and Richard Reed.
In conclusion It is not denial to seek the truth and verify claims, it is not anti Semitic to criticize the Ashkenazim.( Turkmen converts )
It is a matter of showing that one of the most defining religious narratives pushed on the world holocaustianity is completely false.
Very nice summary, Mr. Critic, and one more nail in the Holohoax coffin I might add is Zionist organizations were claiming during and after WW1 — a decade and one half before Hitler came to power — six million Jews were in danger of being ‘exterminated in a ‘Holocaust’ in Europe. Using newspaper articles from the NYTimes, the American Hebrew and other world Zionist media organs, Don Heddeshiemer in his book ‘The First Holocaust,’ reveals the extermination of six million Jews was a Zionist propaganda claim used before but that it found no traction until the aftermath of WW2.
Brian, I think Alan might be bucking for a mainstream media job.
Could be right. Look how quickly he’s morphed into VT’s own version of Piers Morgan.
‘He says, “The number of victims is an uninteresting argument.” I say it can be much more than that. It can be a diversion from the main point that many Jews were exterminated.’
Translation:
6,000,000 equals -1
Great new essay on the subject by Paul Eisen: http://pauleisen.blogspot.co.uk/
We all have a right to be wrong, Mr. Hart. What we DON’T have is a right to be arrogant and stubborn when we are shown to be wrong, or at least arguably wrong.
Mr Hart following are your “arguments” :
1) “Holocaust denial is not mainstream in North America or Europe”.
Whether an idea is “mainstream” or not doesn’t decide its truthfulness. At the time of Galilei the idea that the earth revolves around the sun wasn’t “mainstream” in Europe, remember?
2) “The number of victims is an uninteresting argument.”
Maybe to the peddlers of the Holocaust, but certainly not to those who are accused of it. It does make a difference whether I am accused of the murder of 100 persons or of only one person. Besides, it also makes a difference whether the person I was responsible for died by accident or by murder by me.
3) “In my view those who deny the generality (of the Holocaust) are irrational and in some cases…are driven by rabid anti-Semitism.”
A typical ad hominem remark with no logical value.
4) “When he ( my very dear anti-Zionist Jewish friend Hajo Meyer)…tells me Jews were gassed to death in Auschwitz, I believe him.”
A sign of your naivete. You don’t believe a witness because you like him, you believe him if his assertions can be proven.
5) “Holocaust deniers are…angry, disenfranchised, intellectually lazy and marginalized, with neither spouse nor children…they are bored, lonely,and sexually frustrated.”
Again, typical ad hominems with no logical value. In one word : ridiculous!
6) “Holocaust denial plays into Zionist hands. It reinforces in brainwashed Jewish minds the idea that the world has always been against Jews.”
Jews believe that the world is always against them exactly because they believe the Holocaust really happened.
7) “You are bonkers (crazy)! Go see a psychiatrist and get some help.”
Are there psychiatrists who can heal a person who is suffering from a strong prejudice and who arrogates to himself the right to pronounce a judgement about a matter that he refuses to study?
Who is “bonkers” here?
Excellent dissection of Alan Hart’s fallacies and ad hominems. Mr. Hart’s career at BBC depended on his internalizing Holocaust dogma. I suspect we are looking at a form of mass mind control.
funny, Mr. Hart’s venom is all directed at truth seekers and not those who jail truth seekers, I suppose he’s protecting the feelings of the victims! yeah, right!Well, he cut his teeth in the mouth of the beast, whadaya expect!For Mr. hart to admit he’s wrong, he’d also have to admit the evil nature of those who perpetrated this while encouraging him to diss us, big life change event, maybe he’s too old…….
Ra’al.
Mr. Hart,
There is a reason Europeans are more accepting of the official narrative. In Europe, for decades, people are put in gaol or fined for publicly stating they don’t believe it. That is a very strong incentive for accepting.
As far as playing into the hands of the Zionists, at this point, it is not possible to avoid playing into the hands of Zionists. If you do not believe, you are an anti Semite; if you believe you are guilty of being one of the perpetrators. We end up paying either way.
As others have often stated, it is the insistence of the mythical 6 million that in and of itself prove the lie. If the Polish government revises the plaque in front of Auschwitz to say that the number of deaths in the camp were 1.5 million, not 4 million, then 6 million cannot have been “exterminated”, “liquidated”, “burned”, “gassed”, or any other term you may wish to use. Was the Polish government anti-Semitic?
Again, I ask you, is someone a “denier” because he or she does not believe the official story of different coloured smoke from the crematoria chimneys when Jews were being burned, or the geysers of blood for days at Babi Yar? According to the Zionists, the answer is either yes, or that the person is an anti-Semite.
The real revisionists do not deny that Jews died in camps. They deny the allegation that there was a deliberate plan to exterminate. They also point out the lack of documentation to support the allegations. Simple things such as coke shipment records to supply the volume of coke needed to cremate the bodies. Questions on the logic of wasting resources to ship Hungarian Jews 500 miles by train to a location where more resources would be wasted to “exterminate”, when a bullet in the head would be quicker and cheaper. So much for ruthless German efficiency.
At the end of the day, I can only support, wholeheartedly, the statement of Benjamin Freedman: if one part of the testimony is false, then all of the testimony must be considered to be false. Mr. Freedman, as you may know, was at Versaille in 1919, as a protegé of Samuel Untermeyer. If Mr. Freedman, as someone who witnessed the inner workings of Zionism, was a denier, what reason would there be to believe?
I don’t know enough about the subject to have an opinion either way but I do know this:
1) Neither the American or Israeli governments can be trusted to tell the truth about anything of real significance in the world. The official explanation of all that is most important is usually the exact opposite of reality and I suspect the same could be said here to some extent.
2) I suppose the same sorts of things above were/are said about 9/11 Truthers (i.e. independent thinking, non-labotomized humans). It’s standard ridicule when debate is feared. And, yes Alan, you are afraid to have this debate. There is compelling evidence against the official story and you dismiss it because you trust a friend and the thought of you having to potentially admit you’ve been deceived is so painful you’d rather just ridicule anything that differs from your opinion.
3) This paragraph is pathetic and repulsive: ““My advice to you Alan is to ignore them. I have had a LOT of experience dealing with them over the years and have concluded that they are some of the most irrational creatures on the planet. For the most part they are angry, disenfranchised, intellectually lazy and marginalized, with neither spouses nor children, and which I personally think forms the prime motivational energy for their ‘activism’ – the fact that they are bored, lonely and sexually frustrated.”
The person who would say such a thing is a primative baffoon. That you would share this stupidity with anyone else in public might be even worse. And I pledge today to never read another word by Alan Hart on these pages.
Matt
Mr. Hart, I am one of those vile revisionists, except I am gainfully employed, have a child and am happily married. But you are correct about somethings — quite by accident. If I ever questioned the official Holocaust narrative at my place of employment, I am likely to lose my livelihood and hence possibly even my family. What does that tell you, Mr. Hart, about the hidden, organized power behind global Zionism? I could question any other historical narrative and no harm would befall me, whether it be Armenian genocide, Rwandan genocide or the Irish potato famine. And I am not alone. The official Holocaust narrative is the only legally protected dogma in the Western World, with revisionism punishable by imprisonment in over one dozen countries. Did the Germans, French and Belgians voluntarily imposed those free speech restrictions on themselves? What Truth fears investigation, Mr. Hart? You yourself say Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews. Are Jews so easily fooled or could it be even they recognize the monstrous evil behind global Zionism which is not to be crossed without consequences? Once you recognize all this, Mr. Hart, it becomes quite clear, the Holocaust is an epic fraud.
Another excellent comment. If nothing else his vitriol has brought out some amazing comments these last 3 articles of his.
Most European Jews knew very well that the official Zionist narrative about ww2 is untrue.
The huge assimilation of Jews after ww2,has much to do with that.
About 20 million Jews have gone “missing” since 1945.
Israeli and US Jews (85% of jews now.) are brainwashed(fooled).
The rest peeled off,disgusted by the lies and the behaviour of Zionist Israel.
Still ,Jews were singled out ,betrayed by their own neighbors,and many died.
So to state the holocaust is “an epic fraud” is over the top.
Your other arguments ,I agree with.
Hyping jewish suffering as above and beyond other ppls suffering. is the basic fraud-major exaggerations and lies were told to make the con successful. Question- should jewish suffering be singled out as Mr. Hart keeps doing here, for special treatment? It’s a question of balance along with the ignoring of jewish perpetrated holocausts that have been all to frequent that is sooo bothersome!
It’s not about hyping suffering.
Mr. Hart has worked in Israel for decades.
He knows the nuances,and what will happen if the nuances are lost.
He’s trying to build bridges,while most people here,like you, just bash.
He attacks Zionism like most people here,but brings nuances when he fells it’s necessary.
You lived in Israel,as you stated.
So you know how information is controlled,how paranoid,arrogant and selfdestructive Israeli’s have become.
You live in NY,how many Israeli’s hang around there,with no plans to go back?
Mr.Hart is trying to get to a solution so Zionism can be thrown into the dustbin of history,without the paranoid Chosenites blowing up the planet.
That includes defending his friends,that might be telling the truth.
If I can believe most commenters here,Jews inflicted the non existing Holocaust on themselves ,so they can piss people off forever.
My family,Amsterdam;grandfather lost all(7) bro’s and sisses +parents,Grandmother around 8 close family members,My mother was an 8-year old orphan in ’45.
Just one Dutch family in the Holohoax.
They didn’t die of hunger,they were murdered.
Ordinary Jews have no clue what history is,they are paranoid and scared.
Their selfassured,arrogant smiles are monkey smiles.
I hope you know what you’re doing.
The pain will only increase.
Many Europeans have personal horror stories-but….we are talking about jews-I like how you want us to use subtlety,like the deceivers are using subtlety to make us irrelevant- I refuse to coddle a lie- are you going to pretend 911 was done with boxcutters so some grieving families won’t get upset? Cmon!The fact is the Israel sympathy card shouldn’t have been in the game but since it was put in, all those cards have been played!but I appreciate your efforts here,shachalnur!
Shalchanur has a conflict which I sympathise with but have left behind.No coddling the holocaust exaggeration.It still pisses me off ppl can make up crap that destroys other ppls lives for personal gain- guess that was what the exiles were about. and look closer to whom, these greedy jerks stole Lee Wanta’s money that he was gonna use for we, the ppl-screw that shit!. I think you need to understand-the jews aren’t evil, they just consider all gentiles the enemy- all’s fair in war!
Thank you shachalnur – at last, a little bit of balance has found its way to the board here and the comment below is not directed at you.
I am sans spouse and child, so I suppose I could be in the firing line as one of those sexually frustrated activists referred to above ! Mind you, I have never needed to take that blue pill ! I have, however, taken the red pill.
For the most part Mr Hart is actually in your corner ladies and gents, so please calm down, because he has four decades of experience at the ‘coal face’ reporting from war zones and speaking with the some of the most influential leaders on all sides of this conflict.Google Hajo Meyer and have some respect, for he is also in your corner.
Whether you intend it or not, what comes across here is anti-Semitism, which Mr Hart is suggesting is fuel to the fire for the Zionists. What he is encouraging you to be is anti-Zionist.
Try it….
anti Semitism=telling the truth about jews-I’m guilty!
and…with respect, it’s not Zionism that’s the problem- it’s the jew world order of which Zionism is but a part
No you’re not Shalom…..you know the nuances too ( ! )
Hey Shalom, that’s very unfair on many lovely Jewish people I know who will have nothing to do with ‘the jew world order’.
crap, my post disappeared-it’s a jewish elite power problem, and the easiest way to refer to it is by saying jew-anyone attacking jewish power is going to be labeled anti-Semitic and there is no way around it
then those lovely jewish people will out their evil leaders-good!They are welcome to join us!
I got a lot bad to say about American leaders too and the sleepiest sheep will be deeply offended by that as well
Didn’t disappear….it’s at the top of the grid Shalom, read it and understand where you are coming from…..
To Shalom juitsie,
Jews outing their leaders,join us?
Who is “us”?
Any Jew waking up to the ugly truth,like you,has to choose.
Fight the evil,find a position in the middle,in order to not be banned from family and friends,or shut up and peel off in silence.
You can not expect all Jews to do what you did,because they’ll have to fight their family and friends,and for what?
To be called a Talmudic Zionist Chosenite by people like you anyway.
The Jews that speak out are increasing,and they know very well what the price is.
They’re labeled selfhating,blood-libeling,and excommunicated.
Still I think it’s the only way to a “peacefull” solution to this mess.
Building bridges,educating Jews and Jew haters.
90% of Jews know shit about the Bankers,in Israel critizising zionism or the Bankers will get you in jail.
Read Mondoweiss,their critizism of zionism is going further than ever before,the comments allowed are getting more to the point.
Why don’t you write on those boards as well,as a Jew,but a bit nuanced,because waking people up from their wet dream,or nightmare ,is not easy.
Point them at the truth,wake them up,instead of cheerleading here.
I was allowed to post on Israpundit for a while,real Chosenite,ignorant, Nazi’s,and you’ll see they have no defense,and 1000′s are reading the exchanges and get the idea.
Might be that the only way to solve this mess,and avoid ww3,is waking up the paranoid slaves,without threatening a death sentence.
This can not be solved by force,unless you fancy the Samson option.
Jews outside Israel and zionist lobbies are waking up by the 1000′s,and that’s a good development.
Enlighten them,educate them,give them an alternative,besides hate.
Connect,don’t rip apart.
The Suicidal Chosenite Holocaustianist sect will get smaller and smaller and avoiding a tragedy for the world is an option.
The Bankers can not function without their slaves(which are jews and non-jews),and Zionism is dead without the Bankers.
Killing the slaves is something that has been implemented with succes in ww2.
Another round of this will not lead to any solution.
Read the Georgia Guide stones.
To Talmudawaregoy,
In case you didn’t get it,all my family is Jewish.
I am against subtlety if it’s manipulative,but for nuance.
I am against sympathy for Zionist Israel,but I’m for sympathy with ignorant slaves ,jews and non-jews.
I think Mossad perpetrated most of 9/11,but I also think Mossad is Banker controlled,and is able to do things that Israel is only partly aware of(Argentina ’94,Burgas 2012,9/11 etc.)
Thank you for your comment.
Alan, I think you’re angry because you been shown to be extremely uneducated about the Holocaust and now you’re ruining your reputation even further with your rude yet hilarious description of those interested in the truth about the Holocaust. I don’t think you’re a propagandist for Zionism, you might be very stubborn and perhaps you feel guilty about questioning the official story of the Holocaust.
You’ve been brainwashed about the Holocaust by Jewish Zionists who control the media, the book publishing sector, television and Hollywood. You’re part of a group of a vast number of people who still believe the lies about the Holocaust, there is nothing to be ashamed of but you should be ashamed about your ridiculous description of those who believe the scholarly revisionists.
Alan, after you read the texts of Mark Weber and Robert Faurisson about the Holocaust you can apologize for your obnoxious comments and perhaps some of us will forgive you.
Alan I have to wonder about your thinking process, one person who claims to be a prisoner at Auschwitz tells you the Germans gassed people and so that’s the truth, that’s ridiculous. As I mentioned before the notable Mark Weber reports the Allies drop leaflets at Auschwitz and surrounding areas stating the Germans are gassing the Jews in Polish and German and they fooled some people. It’s scientifically impossible they gassed people in the supposed death chamber at Auschwitz.
Read The Victories of Revisionism by Robert Faurisson at Radio Islam and then tell us why he is wrong.
Excerpt from the article:
Professor Robert Faurisson concluded in 1980:
“The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which has permitted a gigantic political and financial swindle whose main beneficiaries are the state of Israel and international Zionism and whose main victims are the German people – but not their leaders – and the Palestinian people in their entirety.”
In 2006 he maintains that conclusion in full. In nearly sixty years, the revisionists, beginning with the Frenchmen Maurice Bardèche and Paul Rassinier, have accumulated, from the historical and scientific point of view, an impressive series of victories over their opponents. Twenty examples of such victories, running from 1951 to today, are given here.
Alan, there were a large number of intern camp survivors. If the Germans had a plan to exterminate the Jews why didn’t they immediately deny the prisoners food and water as soon as they entered the camps in order to exterminate them? This plan is much easier to perform than gassing people. Many of the prisoners at Auschwitz died of starvation near the end of the war due to a lack of food caused by the Allies bombing the roads and bridges near Auschwitz; the Germans couldn’t get food to the camps.
Indeed Brian, the most horrific Holocaust™-Photographs stem from BUCHENWALD, BERGEN-BELSEN and DACHAU. Those are THE camps that are now prooven not to have had GASCHAMBERS for Massmurder ever at all, and the FACT that Zyklon B was used in ALL camps in Delousing-Gaschambers to fight TYPHUS is constantly concealed before the public.
When the eastern fronts collapsed the Germans transferred the sick inmates from their eastern camps westwards to prevent EPIDEMICS spreading throughout Europe in case the SOVIETS would have “liberated” them – the Germans mistrusted Soviet capability and understanding how to deal with TYPHUS effectively. The Holocaustians call those evacuations “DEATH-MARCHES” of course, even the fact that our great “Tolerance- and Peace-Activist” ELIE WIESEL together with his Dad freely chose to go with their “Exterminators” on those infamous “Death-Marches” doesn’t confuse or concern Holocaustians.
Truth is, BERGEN-BELSEN, BUCHENWALD and DACHAU were totally overcrowded in the chaos at the end of WW2, while constant bombing of the British and US of german Cities and Infrastructure, and the lack of Food, Watersupply resulting from it – btw the BRITISH bombings destroyed the BERGEN-BELSEN waterpump! – lead to those horrendous conditions documented on those photographs then.
Even after “Liberation” – btw the german camps were orderly and freely surrendered – the BRITISH and US “Liberators” were so incompetent to produce themselves THOUSANDS of DEATHS in the camps by their own through wrong nutrition and lack of organisation.
Finally, BILLY WILDER, ALFRED HITCHCOCK and even an American PSYCHE-WAREFARE-Commando at BUCHENWALD produced and invented the Holocau$t™ with much help of their Soviet bolshevist friends, US-zionist media and polish, czech, french Revanchists – maybe Alan Hart knows where the “Human-Skin-Lampshades” and “Shrunken Heads” went missing….or where the R.I.F-Soap-Bars are buried…?
Ilse Koch, Rudolf Hoess and Josef Kramer will once get their Honor restored, and their Death-Punishments they got will be known for what is was: Crimes.
Hart,
All you did was rehash the same old nonsense you uttered before.
You said “The number of victims is an uninteresting argument. I say it can be much more than that. It can be a diversion from the main point that many Jews were exterminated.”
First we must define “holocaust”. Should something be deemed a “holocaust” if the totality and by far the majority of people who die in an event, happened unintentionally for the overwhelming majority? In other words, could we call an unintentional famine with typhus deaths, were a government actually tries to save the many lives lost, a “holocaust”? Ok, I think any sane person would say this does not fit the definition, right? Now we must define the word you use, “many”. What is many? If this “many” died while the Government tried to save their lives would this count as a holocaust? I don’t think so. What if very few of the “many” who did die, died from actual, intentional murder and those responsible were tried convicted and given the death penalty like in the case of the sadistic German camp commander depicted in Shindlers list did? Would this be a “Holocaust”? I don’t think so Mr. Hart.
Now one must separate these deaths from actual war deaths, right? As we all know, on the eastern front, the Nazis had an agreement with the Soviets that ALL partisan fighters would be executed if caught. Both sides executed partisan fighters, the Nazi’s killing mostly Jews because most Jews were most of the partisan fighters on the Soviet side. Would this be counted as a “Holocaust”? If we try to fit into this definition atrocities based upon religious or racial mass murders (you know, 100, 200 or even thousands murdered, where one goes into a town and simply kills everyone there) would this be considered a “Holocaust”? If so, the Jews are guilty of this by way of nothing less than 10 fold more than any claimed account against them, accounts which have obviously been grossly exaggerated about themselves.
So you see Mr. Hart, no matter how you slice it or dice it, the Jews cannot be considered to have gone through a real Holocaust. How could they have when happen when more white Christians died IN THOSE SAME CAMPS then did any “Jews”? If you want to use the partisan fighter numbers, again, this doesn’t fit any sane definition either, and if one demands it, then the “Jews” are 10 fold guiltier of the crime than their opposition. If you want to add into this “Holocaust” narrative war crimes by way of mass murders (war atrocities), again, the Jews are over 10 times guiltier than their adversaries.
If I was you, I would ask Dr. Hajo Meyer to watch this film, a film of other “holocaust” survivor interviews not used in Spielberg’s film- why? Because 99% of their testimonies DID NOT fit the Jewish Zionist Holohoax narrative. >> The Last Days of the Big Lie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tHB8tD34s
You want an honest “holocaust” Historian? How about this Jew? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGA7X2AXXs4&playnext=1&list=PL0187728ADE20C56C&feature=results_main
You claim that “denying” the Holocaust reinforces the ‘Jews” brainwashing that the world will always be against them. To be blunt, it is not brainwashing. It is true; as long as the Jews keep lying through their freaking teeth, committing mass murders upon everyone else while using mythical historical events to cover for their unparalleled and continuous crimes, the world WILL INDEED continue to be against them, not to mention God/Jesus’ opposition, which should concern them above all else.
In summary Mr. Hart, your obsession with trying to legitimize the myths of so called Holocaust while marginalizing those who expose those myths HELPS the Zionists by way of perpetuating the total exaggerations of the event that was designed by Hitler to round up the Jews to have them transferred to Palestine for their world Government based on their race. Your giving them cover and supposed legitimacy by downplaying things such as the actual records, factual evidence, death numbers and the true intentions of victims and captors alike; facts that are plain for all to see, will find you NO friends in the real world and no friend to the truth.
Yeah, you’re right, Mr. Hart. I’m just a sexually frustrated A hole for blaming the poor Jews for hideous crimes like 9/11 and the Red Terror under Stalin and Lenin, both nice Irishmen. I’m sorry.
Mr. Hart,
Please watch this video about a young Jew (David Cole) who visits Auschwitz and asks some difficult questions and gets some interesting answers. Repeating what he discovers could land you in jail in about 13 countries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2DYtbNMeSg
Thank You, Mr. Hart, for mentioning Holocaust-Revisionist SAMUEL CROWELL, I appreciated his piece here very much:
http://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/2011/03/the-gas-chamber-of-sherlock-holmes-an-interview-with-samuel-crowell.html
“…the possibility of evidence emerging to prove that some Jews were exterminated in gas chambers.” Don’t You see how much this is indeed totally contradicting the “Massmurder on an industrial scale, gassing THOUSANDS of people to Death daily”-narrative…???
See what happens to Historical Revisionists who didn’t deny Nazi-Massmurder but wanted to clearify the circumstances and find the TRUTH:
David Irving?
Arno Mayer?
Ernst Nolte?
Or how the media deals with Gilad Atzmon or Paul Eisen, how supposed western “free” societies punished ERNST ZUENDEL, FRED LEUCHTER, GERMAR RUDOLF, BISHOP WILLIAMSON or SYLVIA STOLZ – You cannot defend that, can You?
In 2002 german Journalist and Spiegel-Authority FRITJOF MEYER published his meticulous analysis about what really could have happened in Auschwitz, his final estimations were:
884000 Inmates
126000 died
356500 Murdered (gassed)
401500 SURVIVORS
Now less then 400.000 is a huge difference to the decades long claim of 4.000.000!!! Of course the “Elities” didn’t accept that, he was defamed, SPIEGEL refrained from printing his work, and he and his publisher had to renounce as they viciously were attacked with “Holocaust™-Denial”-claims.
His rebuttal to the pathetic Auschwitz-Museum-director Franscicek Piper can be read here:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Osteuropa/Meyer_replies_engl.html
The list of horrendous false-testimonies and gross exaggerations about Auschwitz and “the” Holocaust™ is long and well documented, from Rudolf Hoess, Rudolf Vrba, Benjamin Wilkomirski, Jan Karski, Paul Bendel, Myklos Nyiszli to Adolf Avraham Berman, Elie Wiesel, Enric Marco, Jerzy Kosinski or recently Otto Uthgenannt…LIES.
For the “Sobibor-Opening-Floors-Gaschamber-Lie” we have even 5 “Witnesses”:
Alexander Petscherski, Zelda Metz, Ursula Stern, Dov (Ber) Freiberg und Moshe Bahir – So it must be true?!
Mr Hart:
Ivan Legace ran a crematoria in Red Deer, Alberta. At the time, it was North America’s largest, and almost identical to the ones used at Birkenau. I will cut and paste a few of the salient quotes from Legace’s testimony for your benefit.
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/26lagace.html
Lagacé stated that this claim was “preposterous” and “beyond the realm of reality.” To claim that 46 retorts could cremate over 4,400 bodies in a day was “ludicrous.” Based on his own experience, Lagacé testified that it would only have been possible to cremate a maximum of 184 bodies a day at Birkenau. (27-7436, 7437, 7438)
Lagacé testified that from his own experience in cremating approximately 1,000 bodies, the figures cited by Reitlinger and Lengyel were not realistic. The person citing such figures, he said, was, “irresponsible… with his facts because this doesn’t even begin to enter reality at all. It’s just physically unrealistic.
In short, Mr Hart, if it is not possible for something to have happened, it didn’t. Shootings on the Eastern Front? Sure. Some Mai Lai style massacres during the war? Sure. But this “holocaust” story is just a pantload.
please, only personal attacks aloud- never present evidence
Enough of this guilt trip. It had nothing to do with our generation and it’s obvious why they do it.
Some population figures From the World Almanac:
In 1934 : Christians 682,400,000, Jews 15,315,000.
In 1948 (after WWII) : Christians 592,406,542, Jews 15,753,638.
Absolute difference : Christians LESS 89,993,458, Jews MORE 438,648.
Jewish population actually went up during those war years whilst our population decreased dramatically. Who actually benefited from the war and who suffered more? Draw your own conclusions from that and still have sympathy for the eternal victim. Doubt they care one iota about any other suffering or feel guilt over Holocausts they have masterminded (including this generation).
Thank you for the numbers.