Why deny? A Christian Jew explains “Holocaust denial”

According to Dr. Nick Kollerstrom, many thousands of people in Germany (though not six million – yet) have been imprisoned for expressing politically-incorrect views.

WANTED – A psychiatric diagnosis of Nazi holocaust denial.

That was the title of a recent article by Alan Hart, author of the brilliant Zionism trilogy.  With that piece, Alan started a controversy by wondering whether “holocaust deniers” are mentally ill.  Listen to my discussion of this topic with Alan Hart at http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-021513.mp3 .

Obviously, some holocaust revisionists do harbor anti-Jewish prejudice. But just as obviously, many don’t.

Can a sane, unprejudiced person “deny the Holocaust”?

As much as I admire Alan Hart, I think he used a fallacious ad-hominem argument in lumping “holocaust deniers” together and suggesting they all need psychiatric diagnosis. That’s the kind of argument Fox News hosts use against people questioning 9/11.

I understand why Alan lashed out. A few of the comments here at Veterans Today (which has by far the best comment section, overall, of any news outlet anywhere) drip with visceral hatred of Jewish people. Alan was offended, got into a couple of typical internet flame wars, and unloaded.

Michael Korn, a Jewish Christian and an old friend from the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance, answered Alan by explaining why some of his German friends question the Holocaust. Like David Cole, who recently re-emerged into public view, Michael is obviously of sound mind, highly intelligent, and a critic of some aspects of current “tribal Jewish policy” – which does NOT make him a “self-hating Jew.” On the contrary, Korn and Cole seem to be sufficiently at ease with themselves to contemplate issues that make insecure people nervous.

Here is Michael Korn’s open letter to Alan Hart.

A Response to Alan Hart’s “WANTED – A psychiatric diagnosis of Nazi holocaust denial.

by Michael Korn

Mr Hart,

I am a Jewish believer in Jesus. I was raised in the USA and moved to Israel after college where I lived as an ultra-Orthodox Jew for 18 years. I was baptized by South African missionaries on 20 June 2000 in Israel.

Recently I have had some correspondence with Germans who have shared their perspective on the Holocaust and WWII. I think I might be able to provide you with some answers.

First, these Germans believe that Hitler was a genuine patriot who wrought miracles for a German society that had been devastated by the punitive financial terms of the Versailles Treaty.

Second, they are incensed that Jews, who comprised less than 1% of the German population in those days, virtually controlled the entire German economy.

Third, they consider that Germany herself suffered a Holocaust of intensive Allied firebombings of German civilian cities from the very outset of the war. The book Human Smoke documents Churchill’s murderous crusade against German civilians in nighttime bombings that lasted for six months before Germany finally retaliated with the battle of Britain. The Jewish Holocaust narrative does not make room to even acknowledge this holocaust or those inflicted on Imperial Japan by American bombers. Jews act as though their 6 million suffered more than the global community’s 60 million and are the only casualties worth acknowledging.

Fourth, they considered the well publicized efforts of Jewish groups to boycott Germany throughout the 1930s to be an act of economic warfare and thus deemed all Jewish civilians in occupied Europe to be potential enemies of the state who should be imprisoned just as the Americans incarcerated ethnic Japanese.

Fifth, they know of the transfer agreement between Hitler and Zionist groups. Hitler tried to facilitate Jewish immigration to Palestine which was in fact impeded by the British throughout the 1930s.

Sixth, they believe that the bulk of the suffering of Jewish concentration camp prisoners was due to Allied bombing that destroyed German infrastructure and made food medicine and other essentials for life unavailable.

Seventh, they believe that Hitler heroically tried to stop the USSR from invading and conquering all of Europe at tremendous personal loss and suffering to German forces, an act of sacrifice that the Holocaust enforcers totally ignore.

Eighth, they do not believe there were homicidal gas chambers, claims about which have been used to unfairly demonize and degrade German culture and civilization that they proudly believe to be the most advanced in the world. Books such as The Chamber by John Grisham lend weight to this claim by exposing the extremely hazardous process of executing just one prisoner by poison gas in an American gas chamber.

Sincerely,
Michael Korn
Believer in Jesus the Jewish Messiah and Savior of the World.

PS Please examine the information from Mr. Grisham’s book, posted in the second comment on this article (see comments section below.)

This account in Grisham’s novel The Chamber pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of the claim about homicidal gas chambers.

But before you read it, let me state clearly to you that even if the conventional account about the Holocaust is true, I really don’t care about it. This is because compared to the threats that we all face on planet earth, the Holocaust is a minor tragedy.

Also Jewish groups have blown the Holocaust out of proportion by exaggerating the significance of their own suffering and denigrating that of others, who in fact suffered much more.

Also Hitler was God’s instrument to vacate the Jews from Europe and to create a Jewish State, something you have told me you support. Israel should erect a statue of Hitler and put it in their Kenesseth building or next to the Western Wall.

Also Jews have tried to substitute their suffering for that of Jesus Christ, the only Jew worth venerating and adoring. Jesus loves us but Jews hate those who pay tribute to them thus exacting ever increasing amounts of reparations and war guilt booty.

Also Jews deny the other very real Holocausts that occurred during WWII, in the fire bombings of German and Japanese cities that caused millions of deaths.

Finally, as a Christian believer, surely you recognize that Jewish people have an account to settle with their Creator for continuing to denigrate His Son Jesus. If Hitler was God’s instrument of wrath, who are we to soften the blow?

Now kindly read on the excerpt from Mr. Grisham:

This is a really interesting exchange about a John Grisham book that inadvertently puts some of the claims of Holocaust Revisionists in a more favorable light.

Leonard Vincent is the chief attorney for the Mississippi Dept. of Corrections, whom Grisham thanks in his acknowledgements as being of great assistance in helping him prepare the background for the book.

Vincent substantiates the passage from the novel I have excerpted below as truthfully describing the incredible precautions necessary when executing a prisoner in an American gas chamber.

Given these precautions, how do you explain the claims of Jewish groups that the Germans would gas 100-200 inmates at a time and then other inmates were forced to immediately evacuate the gas chambers and cart off the bodies to ovens without any protective measures. Is this even possible?

Or is it the case that the prison officials simply erred on the side of caution and there is no real danger to come into direct contact with corpses gassed to death with cyanide?

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163 Responses to "Why deny? A Christian Jew explains “Holocaust denial”"

  1. whatabouttrue  May 11, 2013 at 10:25 am

    You can read the book of Anthony Sutton Wall street and the Hitler’s rise : you will see how jexish bankers from wall street funded Hitler.

    Alan Hart do his possible for Palestine , he rick until his home to spread the truth. Today he need our help , because his life struggle for Palestine was great, we should buy his books and help him finacially and morally. I pay tribute to his work.

    Peace to all of you dear brothers of fight espacially to DaveE ( I totally agree with you )

    Thank you to the Veterans’ today Staff (Mr Duff ) an to all people who contribute to his growth.

    I am just a yound student , a youg dreamer of peace and true seeker. I am sad almost every day , my mom do not know why. It is because all people i respect and love died or stop publising. I am already melancholic ( so young ! ) but more i think and search fo true and more I lose hope on humanity

  2. Chris Natias  May 10, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Ingrid Rimland, thank you for your comment, which really is the highlight of this thread, although you received scant response. Alan Hart has been roundly paddled by VT readers for his unwillingness to recognize the ‘holocaust’ for what it is, a Jewish psy-op against the German people and the world. But I do not believe Alan Hart is a crypto-Jew, stupid, or evil. He is simply brainwashed. There are mind-control techniques at play here, just as surely as intelligent people can be led to believe WTC towers turned to dust and fell at near free-fall speed due to jet fuel. Show them the empirical nano-thermate residue found in the dust and their brains shut down. It is too scary a notion for most people that powerful interests have engineered a false ‘reality.’ J. Edgar Hoover said, “the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous“ he cannot believe it exists.” I only want to thank you and especially your husband for having the courage to speak out publicly against this monster. My introduction to your husband was an old CNN show called ‘Crossfire,’ where he was vilified from both the left and right. I didn’t know enough at the time to know why Ernst Zundel had to be turned into an object of ridicule, but now I certainly know why. Your husband should know he has lighted the torch of truth and carried it courageously, and he has inspired millions of truth seekers to pick up that torch and continue the struggle. God bless you and Ernst Zundel.

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm

      I concur, hope Ingrid and Ernst recover from all of this, it had to be a tremendous strain.

      There are some incredible commenters here. I can’t say enough to Stephanaugust for the online publishing site link. There is enough there to keep one reading for months if not more. That site is gold

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm

      @Dublinmick:

      Considering the negative things you write about Hitler being a Zionist collaborater on your blog, I cannot fathom why you would admire the Ingrid and Ernst. It seems to totally contradict the views you put forth with great depth and exactitude. What did you do all that research for?

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 8:40 pm

      Ingrid and Ernst first encountered trouble by insisting Jews were not systematically exterminated by the nazis. That coincides precisely with theories some put forth they were placed in camps to be later sent to Palestine as the Rothschild plan all along. If that is the case then Ernst was correct all along.

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 8:49 pm

      Further more may I add, people should not have their lives destroyed for simply expressing their views as Zundel was. None of us can be correct in all our assumptions and research but have the right to freedom of speech. Ersnt Zundel is a good man, he stood up for what he believed in. I concur with him that Germans are good people, hard working people, there is probably no ethnic group on earth who has suffered more brute force and degradation than the Germans.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:22 pm

      @Dublinmick: “That coincides precisely with theories some put forth they were placed in camps to be later sent to Palestine as the Rothschild plan all along. If that is the case then Ernst was correct all along.”

      But this seems like an absurd situation! Because the Revisionists are almost uniformly anti Zionist. So how do they reconcile their admiration for Hitler with the strong possibility that Hitler was a Trojan Horse to facilitate Zionism?

      I thought from my own studies of the history leading up through both world wars and also from allusions to Hitler in the bible codes that Hitler was at least an unwitting Zionist agent. Now if your claim that he was a deliberate instrument of Zionist policy is true, then why do the Revisionists revile Israel? That seems to contradict everything Hitler strove for to remove the Jews from Europe and relocate them elsewhere. Do you see my point?

      Also we can see that the aggressive policies of Israel, along with its racialist intolerance of the Palestinian natives, dovetails perfectly with German National Socialism’s blood and land ideology. So I would expect true Revisionists to “go all the way” and support Israel as the fulfillment of Hitlers’ legacy.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:46 pm

      @Irishcream:

      Why don’t you ask the survivors themselves if they would rather have been in Auschwitz or in Dresden. As a believer in the bible, I can suggest that were they not being abused in Auschwitz then Dresden would still be standing.

      “Paid and treated fairly well under the circumstances?” That’s a good joke. And what did they use their Auschwitz “salaries” for? Let me guess: to buy suntan lotion for the swimming pool and jewelry when they visited the camp whores? Even Faurisson and Smith concede they were treated horrendously. So please spare us the sanctimonious lies.

      The Germans viewed with malice Jews who posed no threat whatsoever to Germany. And as a bible believer we have to understand that Germany saw the fulfillment of Jesus’ words: “In the measure you measure out so it will be measured back to you.”

      Jesus also said we are judged by the words that come out of our mouths. So we can temporize all we want that Himmler’s auszuroten didn’t really mean “exterminate” but in the end Germany sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.

      Should be pretty obvious to a spiritual seeker that you seem to be on your website.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:54 pm

      The problem as I see it in a nutshell is that Hitler supported Zionism, the Revisionists claim to admire Hitler but oppose Zionism. That’s the absurdity of it all!

      When I worked on a kibbutz many years back, I noticed that a lot of their industrial machinery was German made. They received it way back as part of the transfer agreement between the Zionists and the Third Reich.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:00 pm

      The Germans sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.

      They spoke of Jews with contempt and were treated with contempt.

      They embittered the lives of Jewish civilians across Europe and their own civilians were bombed mercilessly.

      All in all a tragedy for both sides.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:01 pm

      In brief, the Germans were judged by Jesus’ own words:

      In the measure you measure out so it will be measured back to you.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:05 pm

      I thought from my own studies of the history leading up through both world wars and also from allusions to Hitler in the bible codes that Hitler was at least an unwitting Zionist agent. Now if your claim that he was a deliberate instrument of Zionist policy is true, then why do the Revisionists revile Israel? That seems to contradict everything Hitler strove for to remove the Jews from Europe and relocate them elsewhere. Do you see my point?

      Also we can see that the aggressive policies of Israel, along with its racialist intolerance of the Palestinian natives, dovetails perfectly with German National Socialism’s blood and land ideology. So I would expect true Revisionists to “go all the way” and support Israel as the fulfillment of Hitlers’ legacy.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:08 pm

      The Germans viewed with malice Jews who posed no threat whatsoever to Germany. And as a bible believer we have to understand that Germany saw the fulfillment of Jesus’ words: “In the measure you measure out so it will be measured back to you.”

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:09 pm

      We can temporize all we want that Himmler’s ausroten didn’t really mean “exterminate” but in the end Germany sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind. Should be pretty obvious to a spiritual seeker that you seem to be on your website.

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      mevashir

      I am glad you asked that question, as you seem a sincere and intelligent person. VT and especially the columns of Mr. Fetzer and Barrett are great and the commenters are some of the best I have encountered on the internet. Mr. Zundel as many people do points out various things under Hitler that seem to have benefitted the German people which are true. My focus was, was it all a charade? Was it all pre-planned? Was it designed to obliterate Germany and establish Israel by removing Jews by force to Palestine?

      Let me state, any opinion I have should not be considered a derogatory reflection on Mr. Zundel or Ingrid.

      The Rothschilds care nothing for Jews or Germans. The plan just may be to put their own promised leader on the throne in Jerusalem, thrust of the crusades. Do you get the feeling that is what happening in the mideast currently? Is it planned or just one of those fortunate coincidences?

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 9:17 pm

      No jews were bombed in the camps, this is a fact. There were numerous red cross people in the camps and numerous witnesses attest that internees were paid and treated fairly well under circumstances. On the other hand German civilians were being bombed back into the stone age. I ask any thinking person, who got the best end of this deal?

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:43 pm

      Who got the best end of the deal? The bankers and munition manufacturers.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:07 pm

      @Irishcream:

      Why don’t you ask the survivors themselves if they would rather have been in Auschwitz or in Dresden. As a believer in the bible, I can suggest that were they not being abused in Auschwitz then Dresden would still be standing.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:07 pm

      “Paid and treated fairly well under the circumstances?” That’s a good joke. And what did they use their Auschwitz “salaries” for? Let me guess: to buy suntan lotion for the swimming pool and jewelry when they visited the camp whores? Even Faurisson and Smith concede they were treated horrendously. So please spare us the sanctimonious lies.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:08 pm

      The Germans viewed with malice Jews who posed no threat whatsoever to Germany. And as a bible believer we have to understand that Germany saw the fulfillment of Jesus’ words: “In the measure you measure out so it will be measured back to you.”

      Jesus also said we are judged by the words that come out of our mouths. So we can temporize all we want that Himmler’s ausroten didn’t really mean “exterminate” but in the end Germany sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.

      Should be pretty obvious to a spiritual seeker that you seem to be on your website.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:52 pm

      The Rothschilds have been rewarded for all the money they gave to prop up the Catholic Church. They are getting their place in the sun, exactly as Jesus promised when they would finally treat Christians with respect. You should know that Israeli conspiracy writers like Barry Chamish hate the secular Zionist leaders precisely because they have pro Christian attitudes.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      Zionism originally was seen as a Jewish version of National Socialism. Maybe we could call it AshkeNazism. Israeli militarism and blood and land ideology conforms perfectly to Hitler’s philosophy. Again why do the Revisionists revile Zionism?

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 6:20 pm

      @Chris re I. Rimland:

      I cannot agree with you. Although I understand her passion for “Truth” I actually think her approach damages the cause of Truth. That’s because thoughtful people like Mr. Hart will react as he did saying essentially: “OK, even if you prove your case, all you’ve done is show that Hitler wasn’t as bad as we thought. But he still was a villain.” And that’s the real problem: that in the West Hitler cannot be viewed empathetically because either Revisionists don’t believe there was anything good about Hitler or they are failing to make the case for that viewpoint.

      It is essential to present an overall narrative that will elicit public support and admiration. I think you have two possible approaches to reconstruct Hitler’s reputation:

      (1) Present him as a courageous foe of Communism. That might carry a lot of weight in the West.

      (2) Prove that he was an open collaborater with the Zionists (as Dublinmick seems to argue on his website) and was in fact instrumental in creating the Jewish State. The problem with this approach is that the Revisionists would have to then disavow the man they wish to admire.

      I really believe that your cause is hopeless. As I wrote below, even if you could prove that not one Jew died in concentration camps, the mere fact they were incarcerated against their will and their lives upended and all their property seized is enough to provoke near universal outrage. And surely Jewish groups could justify their efforts to see some form of compensation for this.

      In the West the idea of “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness” still has appeal, and Hitler’s policies against the civilian Jewish population of Europe seems to violate that notion totally.

      In the end the Revisionists seem to come across as petulant bad boys, making the outrageous claim that even though Hitler illegally and forcibly imprisoned all of Europe’s Jews in German slave labor camps, since he didn’t gas them to death we should all sit back and applaud his actions.

      This argument is truly absurd to all thinking and moral people.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      This argument is truly absurd AND REPUGNANT to all thinking and moral people.

      Even if Hitler had legitimate grievances against the Jewish Bolsheviks in the USSR and the Jewish financiers in the West, what reason did he have to incarcerate ALL Jewish civilians throughout Nazi occupied Europe? What threat were Dutch Jewish shopkeepers and French Jewish professors and Italian Jewish jewelers to the German people?

      Even the Catholic Church in its heyday of forcing Jews to live in ghettos never stooped to the malice of compelling them into forced concentration camp labor.

      So in my opinion it is impossible to reconstruct Hitler’s reputation in a way that will appeal to Westerners. The best you can aim for is to show why he appealed to Germans, which is what I have tried to do.

      America is a Jewish paradise, and they will use their formidable power to thwart any effort on the part of Revisionists to rehabilitate Hitler’s reputation.

    • Dr Gunther Kuemel  May 11, 2013 at 5:09 am

      You are missing important issues if you talk about Germanys policy regarding the Jewish question.

      The Red Cross (ICRC) has stated in its 1948 report about the concentration camps that Germany was justified imprisoning all Jews according to the Geneva convention of 1929. The Jewry of the whole world , “Judea” had “declared war to Germany”. And Samuel Untermeyer again speaking for the powerful international Jewish organisations, announced the very same in 1939. In addition there were several other severe threats by Jabotinsky, Weizmann and many others.

      Germany imprisoned the Jews with extensively more cause than the USA and Canada and Australia and Great Britain incarcerated citizen with German, Italian or Japanese ancestors.

      It might interest you that deportation of the German Jews as well as the “Judenstern” had been demanded by the Berlin banker Kareski, president of the Zionist Society of Germany and official advisor of the German gouvernment with respect to the “Jewish question”. The eminent German traitor Admiral Canaris, who caused German fatalities of more than a million soldiers, demanded the same, despite being notorious for friendship to the Jews. Obviously he acted on behalf of the Zionist organisations.

      The reason of the Zionists to aggarvate the fate of the Jews in the areas under German control lied in the fact that generally Jews in Europe were quite unwilling to leave for the desert of Palestine and submit to agricultural work. The Zionists in These days were a tiny minority of the Jewry only, a sect. And pursuing their aim to erect a Jewish statehood in an Arabic Country demanded for discrimination and severe measueres against their brethren to persuade them to emigration to Palestine.

    • Chris Natias  May 10, 2013 at 8:56 pm

      Michael, frankly I don’t know what you are prattling on about. This is not about whether Hitler was good or bad, because that all depends on which side you were on. We are referring to the true nature of the so-called ‘holocaust.’ Jews in Hollywood and the Holocaust Museum/Financial Shakedown Complex have impugned the German character and all gentiles really with the allegation Germans tried to exterminate the Jews, that they used death camps, gas chambers and other mass-killing methods, and that six million Jews died. Those are the essential elements to the monstrous lie the Jews have constructed. You may opine that it doesn’t matter if Hitler simply put Jews in work camps, but try saying that in 17 countries with Holocaust Denial laws, and see how fast you go to prison. The Holohoax is sold as a complete package. All sides had concentration and work camps. Jews are alleging something unprecedentedly barbaric was done to them. And they do lie. And they have laws passed to cover those lies. Last Tuesday the World Jewish Congress passed a resolution calling for worldwide laws against Holocaust Denial. That is sick and that is advocating totalitarian thought crime legislation, and we simply will not live under your oppressive Jew lies.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:34 pm

      @ChrisNaziass:

      Read Auschwitz by Laurence Rees. Then get back to me. Better yet build a time machine and take yourself back in time to that workers’ paradise. And spend a few years there and then report back to us. Don’t forget to take along a home video camera so you can film all the fun times to be had there.

    • Worker Bee  May 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm

      “@ChrisNaziass:”

      TOS violation?

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 11:15 pm

      @Chris: “Last Tuesday the World Jewish Congress passed a resolution calling for worldwide laws against Holocaust Denial.”

      Look at it like this. Suppose you showed up at the local emergency room covered with burn marks and with broken limbs and signs of sexual abuse. Your father’s semen was swabbed off of you and other forensic evidence pointed to your father as the abuser.

      Then after the police report is filed the court rules that your father is innocent and you are returned to his custody. And night after night people insist that your screams are screams of pleasure not pain.

      How would you feel? I suppose burning with anger shame and malice.

      That’s because you don’t like it when people deny your suffering and mock it.

      Call yourself a Revisionist, but not a Denier. No one has a right to “deny” the historical humiliation of others.

    • Chris Natias  May 11, 2013 at 4:31 am

      Michael, you aren’t very bright, are you? I’m sure after reading your voluminous and absurd posts, Kevin Barret regrets including your letter in his article. You have literally polluted this board with your maggot juice. What is the point of your letter to Alan Hart? To simply regurgitate what some Germans relayed to you? You are a Jewbot and you believe in Holohoax orthodoxy. You are no follower of Christ either, but an adherent to Holocaustianity.

    • Worker Bee  May 11, 2013 at 11:49 am

      “I really believe that your cause is hopeless. As I wrote below, even if you could prove that not one Jew died in concentration camps, the mere fact they were incarcerated against their will and their lives upended and all their property seized is enough to provoke near universal outrage. And surely Jewish groups could justify their efforts to see some form of compensation for this.”

      So why is not FDR demonized for doing just that to Japanese-Americans? Case closed, and not in your favor.

  3. mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Kevin,

    Just found this. Perhaps worth contacting him for his perspective. Or running his piece on VT as a separate article: pauleisen * blogspot * co * uk/2012/12/how-i-became-holocaust-denier-by-paul * html

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:34 am

      Here’s his concluding paragraph:

      So here’s something else. The Holocaust revisionist scholars and researchers are dedicated and skilled students of historical evidence, and for them‘Holocaust denier’ is but a term of abuse to be hurled as ‘witch’ might have been hurled in the Middle Ages. But for me, ‘Holocaust Denier’ is a label I accept. This is not because I don’t think anything bad happened to Jews at the hands of the National Socialists – for what it’s worth the real story of brutal ethnic cleansing moves me far more than any ‘Holocaust’ – and it’s certainly not because I think any such assault is right and proper. No, I deny the Holocaust because, as constituted, exploited and enforced, the Holocaust narrative is a false and abusive god, and I wish to put as much moral distance between it and myself as I can.

  4. mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:08 am

    @Liberty re Jewish suffering vs German suffering in WWII:

    See this comment by Faurrison at Zundel trial in Toronto:

    ihr * org/books/kulaszka/30faurisson * html

    What had really happened to the Jews? Said Faurisson: “They suffered specific measures against them that you …may call persecutions. They suffered from the war; some of them…suffered of internment; some of them of deportation; some of them were deported in transit camps; some other in concentration camps; some other in labour camps; some were in ghettos…many of them suffered of diseases, different diseases; they suffered executions of hostages, reprisals, even massacres, because I have never seen a war without massacres…If the question was what happened to the Germans…during the war and after the war, my answer would be exactly the same except for ghettos, which is something specific to the Jews…” (29 8029)

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 10:10 am

      Also see amazing testimony of Joseph Burg, an eyewitness to Auschwitz operations during the war:

      ihr * org/books/kulaszka/24burg * html

  5. cynthiamaccioli  May 10, 2013 at 5:25 am

    I have read many, if not all of the major works regarding this Holocaust and the deniers thereof, and in my humble opinion, David Irving is the man to beat. His research, his former access to records, his command of the German language and the decades of time he has invested in the search for the truth, is proof to me, that the Holocaust NEVER happened the way we are told. On a personal note, I don’t believe the Holocaust happened AT ALL, period. If you’re telling the truth, then you have nothing to hide. When you jail and destroy people for questioning history, well, that in itself proves the lie. It’s that simple.

    • Charlotte NC Bill  May 10, 2013 at 6:27 am

      Exactly..

  6. Charlotte NC Bill  May 10, 2013 at 5:13 am

    The holohoax is a massive lie…Do you know who the Germans invited into their work camps? Do you know who had a constant presence? The Red Cross..Do you know where the IRC wasn’t allowed? The true death camps run by the Jewish bolsheviks in the USSR…There were no gas chambers, no six million, no intent to “genocide” any race….The victors told the official story of WW II, just like any war..It’s all bs..The US/UK carpet bombed German cities..nuked Jap civilians, killed over a million German soldiers AFTER the war was over…sent anti-commie “white” Russians back to the USSR in “Operation Keelhaul”, gave the Soviets all of E. Europe, let the Zionists began their rape of Palestine…Which, of course, brings us back to the Holohoax…The Hebrew Miracle Weapon which disallows the mere goy to question their behaviour forevermore….When, and only when, we tear down the Holohoax, goy-guilt factory, Museums…then we’ll be able to rip apart these privately owned Central Banks and their bondage system of loaning us their imaginary money…We’ll take their media organs away fm them and outlaw AIPAC…then we’ll persecute the actual perps of these false-flag terror ops like 9-11…

    • Yehuda_Abraham  May 10, 2013 at 6:08 am

      Yep…here’s the courtroom testimony of the head of the International Red cross in Zundel’s trial

      http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/10biedermann.html

      The ICRC had official camp records of executions in the camps by hanging or shooting. These documents were not marked secret. It was suggested to Biedermann that if exterminations were going on of unregistered inmates in the camps the ICRC had many contacts in Europe to find out about it. Biedermann replied that they had always tried to do so but had never received any confirmations at the time. He agreed there was never any indication by the Red Cross from all its reports that gas chambers were being used during the war. (12- 2624, 2625)

      He was not aware of any request by the Allies to investigate the accusations of alleged homicidal gas chambers in any of the camps after the war but he knew “for sure” that the ICRC never made any such investigation. (12-2735)

      The ITS did not have any records of visits to Auschwitz other than the September, 1944 visit report. Biedermann acknowledged that the 1944 report by Dr. Rossel spoke of a “rumour” of a very modern shower being used as a gas chamber, but that the detainees said nothing about it. He stated that it was definitely possible that the delegate could have spoken to inmates outside of the camp and agreed that the report said nothing about smoke. (11-2613 to 2618) He knew that the commandant’s house was very close to the alleged gas chamber in Auschwitz I. (12-2667)

      Biedermann agreed that the sentence, “In its relief work for civilian populations, the ICRC paid special attention to the Jews,” appeared in volume three of the Report of the ICRC, and explained that this special protection was required especially by civilians persecuted for racial or religious reasons. He agreed that the Joint Relief Committee received large sums from Jews in countries either neutral or at war with Germany, particularly America and Switzerland. He agreed further that at the beginning of the war, the ICRC had considerable contacts with Jews in Europe. He did not agree that this contact extended into 1943 or 1944, except for the parcel distribution programme. He agreed parcels were sent to Auschwitz during the war to Jews. (12-2627 to 2630)

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 9:27 am

      @Yehuda_Avraham re Zundel trial:

      Check out this testimony of Joseph Burg:

      http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/24burg.html

      Joseph G. Burg was the twelfth witness called by the defense. He testified on Tuesday, March 29 and Wednesday, March 30, 1988….

    • clausdoehring  May 10, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      people with character and decency and an interest in true history know that there was no holocaust and that WW II was orchestrated and started in a conspiracy between the zionists and the allies.
      who today says otherwise is either ignorant or has a financial interest in to do so. people of this kind are responsible for the death of 60 million people in WW II not to mention WW I and all the other wars and revolutions also with victims of many millions. they have no conscience they are unscrupulous.

  7. Not Clueless  May 10, 2013 at 12:17 am

    “I once read this: Why do Jews prohibit pork? Because for them eating pig would be cannibalism!”

    Q: The next thing is the dietary restrictions. Many cultures eat rabbits and pigs, in specific, those of Aryan extraction. The rabbit was sacred to Athena, and the Celts ate a LOT of pork. Yet, here these items are restricted from the diet of the Jews. Is there any relation between the diet as outlined here, and the Aryan genetic tendencies to conquest and domination? A: Trichinosis used to be nonexistent in Aryan types… But, mixing of genetic factors eliminated this. Q: So, the Jews were susceptible to trichonosis, and the Aryans were not? A: Originally. Q: So, it was necessary for the Jews not to eat the pork, but not for the Aryans, and the mixing caused susceptibility.

  8. mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    @Allesandro:

    When I was in a yeshiva back in the 1980s, we learned a Talmudic passage that says that Jews are so evil that were it not for the Yoke of Torah they would destroy the whole world. Their own religion reviles them.

    And Jesus called wicked Jews “sons of your father the devil.” While He called wicked gentiles dogs.

    Recently I read a book about Darwinism and Creationism from a Jewish perspective. Even though the author (an Orthodox rabbi) admits that almost all the leading voices opposing Darwinism are Christian, he denigrates Jews who capitulate to Darwinist ideology as “goyim.” He just cannot call a spade a spade and admit that they are wicked.

    I once read this: Why do Jews prohibit pork? Because for them eating pig would be cannibalism!

  9. Dublinmick  May 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Hitler was a Rothschild and Angela Merkel just might be also.

    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/hitler-was-a-rothschild-and-so-was-his-daughter-angela/

    Not trying to blow my own horn here but I have looked into Der Fuhrer a bit myself.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 11:44 pm

      Love yer site, Mick…… Hope to visit Dublin someday……..

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 11:01 am

      DaveE I am just Irish, I live in Florida!!

    • stephanaugust  May 9, 2013 at 11:55 pm

      Thank you for the link.

      Do you know the following?

      ADOLF HITLER THE “BRITISH” SECURITY SERVICES CONNECTION AND AN UNMARKED GRAVE IN SPAIN

      ***http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/2293

    • Dublinmick  May 10, 2013 at 11:09 am

      stephanaugust

      I had not come across this link but I will add it on. Thanks

  10. Dublinmick  May 9, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Good lick Louis you came right out of the box advocating the Soviet asylum treatment for all dissenters. You are right out of the book Gruesome Harvest.

  11. Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    It was estimated that Gaddafi, issuing his own currency and backing a gold based dinar that other African countries could adhere to if they wanted, would have saved his and other countries a minimum 40% of the cost on all state sponsored projects.

    That was a minimum. So if we did that in the U.S. we could build approx 2X the infrastructure for the same money if we issued our own money and NOT use Federal Reserve Notes.

    The amount of money the “JEWS” have stolen from us is beyond comprehension, and is why in the last 100 years since the FED’s inception, they are the wealthiest people on earth and their country has the highest living standard, the most powerful military, and they control the global economy. Yet they want it all. What doesn’t compute?

    • markpeters  May 9, 2013 at 9:20 pm

      That was the reason the got rid of Gaddafi.They are motivated and ruthless in their quest of world enslavement of the gentiles.It didn’t take them long to maneuver the world into poverty and bankruptcy.They are masters of evil.They have been playing this game for centuries.Their main weapon is monopolies of press and media.That alone allows them to maneuver stealthily in their monopolizations of key industries,banking,government etc.That is why they were evicted from so many countries.

  12. Martin Maloney  May 9, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Can a sane, unprejudiced person “deny the Holocaust”?

    Try this instead:

    Can a sane, unprejudiced person “NOT deny the Holocaust”?

  13. Mike Kay  May 9, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    The problem with history as related to sacred cows, and political correctness is that most of it utter crap.
    Real history does not pander to Indian wannabe’s, jewish persecution complexes, or the desire of anyone to affiliate with the “right” and the “good guys”.
    Unfortunately, this is exactly what most of history winds up being.
    History is deliberately manipulated by the prejudices not only of the writer, but of the very society this writer comes from.
    The success of the jewish narrative has about zero substantive fact behind it. Jews did fall victim to Nazi aggression, mostly due to their collaboration with, and employment as terrorists.
    Nobody has ever claimed that Hitler was a nice guy, not even those Germans I have spoken with, yet it is a mistake to take some quotes and passages and assign them some great character revealing value. Overlooked here are a couple of facts.
    1) Hitler was a combat veteran. He saw death. Unlike so many of our warmongering pond scum sell out cheap shirts in office in this country-today.
    2) Hitler was an artist. He had a developed aesthetic, and he followed that aesthetic even in his personal life.
    The real truth that nobody ever wants to face is that WW2 was an arranged affair-not by the Nazis, but by the so-called Allies. Roosevelt did everything he could to steer this country into war, and he eventually succeeded. The same case can easily be made for Chamberlain.
    Germany was manipulated, politically isolated, groomed to be the boogeyman and the threat, and finally wedged into an inescapable trap.
    Today, Germany still serves as the fodder for evil propaganda, and the defeat of the Nazis is simplistically painted as some righteous crusade.
    Hart can’t question anything sacred to his adopted people, so he just climbs on board for the ride.

    • markpeters  May 9, 2013 at 8:55 pm

      You are on target mike. FDR along with his foreign minister Bullitt facilitated the start of the war.It was their meddling and bully tactics that caused the polish government cease all negotiations concerning the Danzig issue.The offer that Hitler made was very fair for both countries.The captured documents from the polish foreign ministry bears this out.The hatred of Germany by the allied nations prior to 1938 can only stem from economic jealousy and fear of a great national movement of a robust and determined nation.Why was Churchill so determined to continue fighting Germany after Dunkirk? Why did the allies support communist Russia knowing Stalin had plans for Europe?The answer is simple.The betrayal of Germany by the international jewish power during WW1 by bringing the U.S. in the war was the start of a planned and permanent destruction of Germany and her people.I can only imagine the anger towards Hitler when he foiled their plans by resurrecting the defeated nation in the midst of a depression.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 10:55 pm

      @Mike Kay on Hitler as artist:

      My German friend sent me this link to a beautiful painting and poem by Hitler:

      http://www.germanvictims.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Deine-Mutter_Mother-Mary.jpg

    • clausdoehring  May 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      mike, what can i say? it us right on the point.

  14. Dublinmick  May 9, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Looks like Louis is going to lay some real chutzpah on us. That was only the initial volley, now comes the I am victim routine.

    What do you think of Der Fuhrer being a mensche anyway Louis as we see over on the truth seeker?

    Hitler was a Rothschild and the founder of Israel.

    Adolph Hitler Founder Of Israel, DNA Test Confirms Jewish Genes, Rabbi Marvin Antelman Claims Hitler’s Mother Klara Polzl Conceived In Tisha B’av Sexual Rite

    “The ritual was held on the 9th of Av, known as Tisha B’av, which is observed by Jews as a fast day commemorating the destruction of the First and Second Temples, but commemorated by Frankists as Sabbatai Zevi’s birthday, which they celebrate with their sex rites. [Other views trace Hitler’s Jewishness to the Rothschilds through his grandmother who purportedly was a servant. She received child support from a Jewish man for Hitler’s father.”

    Hitler and Napoleon belonged to the Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b blood grouping and is very rare in Germany and western Europe. Genetic tests were performed by Ronny Decorte, genetics expert at katholieke Universiteit Leuven on Hitler’s current living relatives and Der Fuhrer would not have been a happy camper.

    Cui Bono, Israel was established, Germany was destroyed, they are still paying billions in reparations. International finance made trillions rebuilding Germany, Germany is now arming Israel, Germans have a guilt complex,

    The war was a fools errand with Hitler making one mistake after another, he tuned out his generals as if he had his own plan (or someone else’s) He pulled back from Dunkirk, he started a 3 front war. This is total insanity.

    “How do you explain that IBM landed in Germany the very month Hitler was elected (March 1933) to help him start using IBM punch cards to catalog the Jews in Germanic territories (in preparation for the takeover which happened in 1948 three years after Hitler passed from the world stage)? How do you explain the numerous public awards to Thomas Watson of IBM with no protest from the New York Times .. even though IBM was headquartered in New York City. (!!!!) This is one of HUNDREDS of examples?”

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:01 pm

      @Dublinmick re Hitler the Redshield:

      Is this true? It would confirm my idea of putting a statue of Hitler in the Kennesseth building or next to the Western Wall.

  15. Yehuda_Abraham  May 9, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Dr Barrett:

    I know you have a clear understanding on how propaganda works, so may I enjoin you against using the terms “Holocaust” capital H and “Denier”. Better terms given the hundreds of billions in reparations extracted for this swindle would be HolyCo$t and Truth Seeker.

    It may be of interest to know that the term holocaust was used in WWII to describe what happened to the city of Hamburg in 1943. I believe it was the front page headline of the Daily Mail or the London Times. The term “holocaust” as late as 1962 meant simply a fire. You can refer to Time magazine’s front cover where the article titled “holocaust” refers to a fire in Brazil as late as 1963.
    *****http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,870534,00.html

    Ingrid Zundel is right. The holocaust was murdered in 1988 when her husband’s second trial was held, and the best the prosecutors could come up with was a nut named Arnold Freidman who claimed he could tell what nationality of Jews were burning by the color of the smoke coming out of the chimneys. Or a “historian” Raul Hilberg who claimed the holocaust happened by mind reading.

    It is a really remarkable testament to the power over the media exerted by the Zionists that anyone believes this ridiculous story any more, not anyone “denies” the holocaust. As Professor Finklestein put it “Given the nonsense churned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is that there are so few skeptics”.

  16. shachalnur  May 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    And while most here sling mud at one another,in a discussion that will go on forever,

    most of you will be facing Martial Law,brought to you by the same Farmer that gave you

    Communism,Zionism,Nazism and the upcoming New World Order.

    The Farmer(=”Bauer” in German) knows his Cattle,and that includes Jews.

    Good for you that Russia,China,Iran,India, Israel and various other ancient cultures understand how to fight this evil.

    Your anger,frustration,ignorance and fear are blinding you.

    The Farmer will feed the Cattle,in order to slaughter them afterwards.

    • Detlef Reimers  May 10, 2013 at 4:47 am

      Thanks shachalnur, your observations and conclusions look quite correct to me.

      Many people in the western world already feel that something huge is coming, but they mostly are too afraid to confront themselves with some of the obvious consequences. A large part of them believe that they did nothing wrong, so they should have no fear about some dramatic future events.

      Beeing quiet about injustice in reality is a very active form of consent with the injust and corrupt system.

      The first step in the right direction would be not only to use the internet and read articles on sites like VT, but to go out and speak to friends, family members and others about the reality, which is hidden from us with so much effort. This step of course, needs to overcome all forms of fear, which is the main tool to force the people into submission.

      By the way, most of the biographies of the german post WWII cancellours seem to be purposefully faked. Helmut Schmidt for instance, told Giscard d’Estaing that he was an illegitimite son of a jewish Banker from Hamburg and not a son, born into a working class family. The whole biography of Willy Brandt should also be rewritten, because so much is wrong and so much is left out (his real name was Helmut Frahm). Merkel’s family biography is also very strange and leaves big holes, because there is not one rational justification for going eastwards in the early fifteeth from Hamburg. What was the real job, her father was given by the the evangelical chuch to immigrate to the DDR? No one ever saw her diploma in physics. I doubt, it ever existed. The official biography of Helmut Kohl is also a joke, because there is not one clue given, to explain the strange but forceful political rising – as is the case with Angela Merkel – of this former german cancellor, some even doubt his family name and bring forward arguments, that suggest the real name was Kohn, later changed into Kohl.

      My guts tell me, that there might be only a very few powerful persons, who’s official biographies are true.

  17. Yukon Jack  May 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @homunculus
    May 9, 2013 – 9:58 am

    Neo Nazi fixation? There are probably very few new militant national socialists obsessed with the Jews on this site. I’m not a Nazi and don’t even like socialism in any form including the USSA at present.

    Most Americans like myself are very Libertarian and don’t like big government, or totalitarianism or any form of collectivism. Americans have a love-hate relationship, they love their checks but they don’t want the intrusion or the state controlling them.

    The Jews are controlling everything and you don’t like the fact that everyone on VT knows its and speaks outloud about it. The ADL calls VT a hate site because we know that the ADL is a spy operation and running cover for Israel’s hate crimes like its takeover of our government. Let me repeat, Israel’s control of the United States is a crime, a hate crime, they hate us and want us dead and have got us in wars and made many of us dead.

    It is very clear that Jews are pushing gun control, it is very clear that America is being raped financially by Wall Street banks owned by Jews, it is very clear that Israel is involved in the false flags. It is very very clear that DHS is a Jewish function being prepped to kill Americans.

    Idiots or liars or Jewish apologists say we are obsessed with Jews, no sir, we are obsessed with truth.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      Right again, YJ. You have a way with words. If I may add to your comment, we are also obsessed with self-preservation, as Jewish tyranny and Jewish terrorism have demanded of us. In short, we have MET THE ENEMY and he is ALL AROUND US, to paraphrase FDR in a more truthful format.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Not FDR…… Patrick Henry or whoever it was…. sorry.

  18. Chris Natias  May 9, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    First of all, Michael Korn claims to be a ‘Jewish’ believer in Jesus Christ. Wouldn’t that make him a Christian? After all, the first Christians were Judeans and nobody called them ‘Jews,’ but Christians. In fact, I’m not sure if anyone was called a ‘Jew’ in Jesus’ time. We really have to work first at getting the terminology straight. And again Micheal Korn declares Jesus the ‘Jewish Messiah,’ why? The pseudo-racialist chauvinism of those who call themselves ‘Jews’ is the real root of the problem, not religion. Once you understand the extent and magnitude of ‘Jewish’ racial supremacist thinking, you will have no problem conceiving of ‘Jews’ making up and perpetuating the Holocaust hoax. Even as a purported truth-teller, Michael Korn cannot shake his pseudo-ethnic chauvinism.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 4:50 pm

      Great points.

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 7:21 pm

      The term “Jew” was only created in the late 1800’s I believe. And from there Jesus was named a “Jew” and a Rabbi (before would have been a religious teacher or priest, all psychological warfare) long after they crucified him, so they could lessen the harm by saying they killed one of their own, and a Rabbi. I had read in several places he was Assryian, what today would be among the Palestinians..

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 9:32 pm

      The term “Jews” (Yehudim) appears in the Books of Esther, Ezra and Nehemiah. It became the accepted term to characterize all the remnant of Israel from all their tribes. Esther herself was of the tribe of Benjamin yet she spoke of the Jews as “my people” and pleaded with King Darius to save them from Haman’s plot of annihilation.

      Funny that you hate people for being “Jews” yet rob them of the very identity you presume to hate! Pretty schizoid if you ask me. Maybe we should be speaking of Jewishness Deniers rather than Holocaust Deniers.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 9:38 pm

      Chris: I call myself a Jewish believer in Christ the way one might speak of an Irish or Japanese believer in Christ. We do not believe that Christ erases ethnicity, only ethnic enmity.

      Jesus was most definitely a Jew insofar as He was a man. He gently rebuked the Samaritan woman by the well saying:

      John 4:21-24 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      21 Jesus *said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is [a]spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

      That’s the plain fact. If you deny Jesus His Jewishness you understand neither who He is or what He did.

      I myself worship at a Presbyterian church and also sometimes with a Catholic community. I do not go to Messianic Jewish gatherings or Christian Zionist churches. I appreciate all decent men for who they are and resist evil wherever it manifests.

      I have been called a self-hating Jew many times, but I prefer to say I am a selfish-hating Jew.

      And also to remind my proud Jewish friends that Jesus said we SHOULD hate ourselves to some degree:

      Luke 14:26
      “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

      John 12:25
      He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.

    • Chris Natias  May 10, 2013 at 3:34 am

      Michael, you make my point. What do we call an Irish believer in Christ? A Christian. What do we call a Japanese believer in Christ? A Christian. And your reliance on John 4:21-24 is grasping. Phrases like ‘from the Jews’ and ‘of the Jews’ are subject to mistranslation from Greek to Hebrew to Latin, to English etc. Some scholars suggest Jesus meant Salvation is ‘away from’ the Jews. Furtherrmore, I contend a ‘pseudo-racialism’ on the part of so-called Jews. Clearly you must recognize the validity and logic of authors like D.M. Dunlop, Shlomo Sand, Arthur Koestler, researcher Eran Elhaik, et al, who essentially prove so-called ‘Jews’ come from sundry stocks of people outside of Paestine/Judea and even outside of the Middle East. In light of all this, still your racialist narcissism persists. And so I stick by original point. Frankly, I can find no difference between Hitler’s pseudo-Aryanism and your pseudo-Jewishness, except Hitler was not insane enough to believe he was God’s chosen.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 7:38 am

      @Chris re: Synagogue of Satan:

      bible scholars say this actually refers to Jewish believers who were promoting the Mosaic Law, not to Jewish unbelievers.

      St. Paul certainly has a balanced approach to what he calls the enigma of Jewish opposition to Christ:

      Romans 11 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      Israel Is Not Cast Away

      11 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, [a]a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.” 4 But what [b]is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s [c]gracious choice. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer [d]on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

      7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but [e]those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; 8 just as it is written,

      “God gave them a spirit of stupor,
      Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
      Down to this very day.”

      9 And David says,

      “Let their table become a snare and a trap,
      And a stumbling block and a retribution to them.
      10 “Let their eyes be darkened to see not,
      And bend their backs forever.”

      11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their [f]fulfillment be! 13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my [g]fellow countrymen and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

      17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the [h]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

      25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,

      “The Deliverer will come from Zion,
      He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
      27 “This is [i]My covenant with them,
      When I take away their sins.”

      28 [j]From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but [k]from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

      33 Oh, the depth of the riches [l]both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34 For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? 35 Or who has first given to Him [m]that it might be paid back to him again? 36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory [n]forever. Amen.

    • blakehamilton  May 10, 2013 at 3:58 am

      Once Jesus arrived in Jerusalem “Jew” no longer a racial term because Jews either had to accept Him or reject Him. At the beginning of Gospel of St John Jesus told the Samaritan woman “Salvation comes from the Jews”. However the term Jew changed in definition when Jews who accepted Jesus were known as Christians in new Israel & Jews who rejected him known as jews or as John says in the Apocalypse those who call themselves Jews are really liars & should be henceforth known as synagogue of satan.

    • mevashir  May 10, 2013 at 7:39 am

      See above @Chris re: Synagogue of Satan:

  19. mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    @EY
    “It’s sad when a thread turns into a mud-fest. Perhaps you folks get your jollies that way, but it’s a disservice to the site and the serious topic.”

    We didn’t start flinging the mud Emma. Sorry if it sullies your precious little Yacht.

    You can always go into the hold and sip champagne.

    A little understood element of the opposition to German National Socialism was that it tried to operate outside the nexus of controlled Jewish finance in NYC and London.

    And while FOX news will trumpet to us about the evils of “socialism” and that all government is bad, that’s of little consolation or persuasion to the 99% of us whose lives constantly are degraded while the presstitutes of the whoreporate media parade sleazy stories across their front pages about the travails of celebrities, entertainers, politicians and the mega rich who suffer when the Stock market drops or when they lose some wealth and have to sell off one of their ten homes.

    National Socialism presented a viable economic alternative, and the Jewish owned media will work with all its might to stop that from being known.

    In my opinion Hitler’s greatest error was not to realize that the Catholic Church was in bed with the Jewsurers who kept the Vatican afloat. He thought the Catholics would rally to his support in his effort to confront the USSR, but he did not realize that Christ’s original church was completely sold out to Jewish finance. And indeed had created that financial predatory class to begin with many centuries earlier when they granted Jews monopoly banking rights in Europe.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 9:33 pm

      Apologies Emma. Sometimes my tongue is sharper than my brain.

  20. talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I 2nd that

  21. talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    free speech is messy Emma- you want joos speech,instead?

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:54 pm

      Yeah, maybe Emma is concerned with the mud on her Yacht. She can always go into the hold and sip champagne on her silken sheets.

  22. matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Liberty 1776. The truth is, was, will always be, the whole truth. Decent, diligent, intelligent people are reading and commenting here. For the most part.

    By 1919 USSR was run by Jews. Germans knew that. David Irving once offered 1000 pounds sterling for any document ordering the murder of Jews- none exists. There are, however, several documented orders protecting the Jews from overzealous German soldiers, beginning with the night of broken glass.

    Next.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 12:53 pm

      Hi Emma. Can you tell us who Bernard Baruch was? Hint… read Reed. When you know the incredible power that Jewish man wielded in WWI, the holocaust becomes either moot or obvious cointel. Also, I said somewhere in here I am 95% certain Hitler was a double agent. David Irving himself does not think so. Yet.

      Liberty is a troll, dear. What would really be funny is if VT is trolling on behalf of NSA for… people like me. That is why I use my name, to be polite and save time.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm

      Funny Matthew. But I agree with you that since THEY know everything we do anyway, it is best to be completely candid. The give me liberty or give me death can be equally well applied to liberty of speech and conscience as well as arms.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      Look at it this way….. the NSA is free publicity for your opinions and views. We may share a cell together, but we’ll have lots to talk about.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:14 pm

      @Dave on sharing a cell:

      So long as they don’t circumsise our tongues or tape our mouths shut as in the movie Matrix!

    • talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:38 pm

      you read to much joos censored material. Hitler had a police state out of necessity surrounded by vipers as he was and the loyal Germans loved him and guess what-no jews meant prosperity- no where else was doing well cept Germany and japan-haha-put that in your pipe

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 7:35 pm

      yes, and they set-up their own banks outside the central bank system and issued their own state currency, and were accomplishing more than any other countries on earth, because they didn’t have to pay the VIG or ask the “Jew” for the money, that’s one reason they needed to be destroyed by the “Jews” who want complete control of the money origination/dispersion apparatus.

      Look at Libya, the dinar, and setting up a gold based currency fro Africa (where much of the gold is mined)

      You are right on. Thanks

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:44 pm

      Emma, do some research into the history of science and technology and even music and art and you will find the most prolific and inventive contributors were Germans. Many German Jews as well.

      And there is an element of Nazism most of us in the Ziono occupied West miss out on: that part of the enmity was that it was socialist and trying to operate outside of the Jewish controlled financial nexus of London and NYC.

      FOX news will scream at us that socialism is evil, but that’s of little concern or even persuasion to the 99% of us whose lives are constantly degraded while the news media parade their tacky stories on the front pages about spoiled narcissistic celebrities, athletes, and the mega rich who suffer from their tenth divorce or from having to sell off one of their ten homes.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      A little understood element of the opposition to German National Socialism was that it tried to operate outside the nexus of controlled Jewish finance in NYC and London.

      And while FOX news will trumpet to us about the evils of “socialism” and that all government is bad, that’s of little consolation or persuasion to the 99% of us whose lives constantly are degraded while the presstitutes of the whoreporate media parade sleazy stories across their front pages about the travails of celebrities, entertainers, politicians and the mega rich who suffer when the Stock market drops or when they lose some wealth and have to sell off one of their ten homes.

      National Socialism presented a viable economic alternative, and the Jewish owned media will work with all its might to stop that from being known.

      In my opinion Hitler’s greatest error was not to realize that the Catholic Church was in bed with the Jewsurers who kept the Vatican afloat. He thought the Catholics would rally to his support in his effort to confront the USSR, but he did not realize that Christ’s original church was completely sold out to Jewish finance. And indeed had created that financial predatory class to begin with many centuries earlier when they granted Jews monopoly banking rights in Europe.

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      And yet the “Jews” claim superiority constantly, endlessly, and yet you mention someone talking of the German’s. I here of “Jews” claiming “chosen” status and yet I don’t here other groups doing it. Why is that?

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:21 pm

      It’s true that the Talmud teaches Jews will lord it over all others in their messianic era. They see “chosenness” as a privilege.

      But Jesus speaks of “the greatest among you is a servant.” This concept is TOTALLY alien to the Jewish supremacist mindset.

      So as a follower of Christ I believe chosenness means self sacrificial service.

      Another thing I have observed in moving from Judaism to Christianity, is that both Jews and Christians understand the fallen human condition, but while Christians are supposed to show compassion on a suffering humanity and lift people up, Jews too often are tempted to take advantage of those weaknesses for their own gain.

      I recall a rabbi telling about a prominent Chassidic community in New York. He claimed that a lot of their money comes from tithes of people who run whore houses and sell drugs and smuggle diamonds in NYC.

      Given Jewish disdain for non Jews I can readily believe it.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 11:55 pm

      I appreciate your honesty.

    • clausdoehring  May 10, 2013 at 4:04 pm

      hitler is a phenomenon in history. from the parties hate or favour distorted the picture of his character wavers in history.

  23. liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 11:39 am

    i do not understand certain people’s obsession with minimizing nazism’s murders of jews in germany during the 30’s and 40’s.

    and what is the point of the Grisham quotes? so what? did anybody ever die from possible leaked gas in america in gas chamber executions? no, of course not. so there are leak issues, so what, they were dealt with.

    LOOK, nazis terrorized & murdered jews, whether by a million or 6 million, who cares. THEY MURDERED THEM, INNOCENT WOMEN & CHILDREN & THE ELDERLY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? There is no DENYING that. the final tally is not the issue, certainly not to those victims, and their families, and those communities.

    yes, i despise secular zionism and the scum in charge of mossad & all those people, but it is no different than the SCUM that currently run the American govt and intelligence apparatus, since the end of WWII & JFK & Bush 41. They are murderous filth just like Hitler, but do we demonize the whole United States & its citizens because of these occupiers of our fed gov and cia/fbi/nsa? No we dont. 90% of Jewish people are good people who just want to live decent quiet lives, loving their families. just like in America.

    you guys obsess so much about the holocaust. because u think it is the foundation of all the jewish/mossad lies/guilt which in their mind justifes their global terror campaign. but u demean the real victims of the nazi filth in the process. the Jews say “never again” and they have a right to say that, so deal with it, that is their right of self-preservation. if the German bombing victims want to say “never again” they can say that too, or the Japanese victimes, or whomever. who are u to regulate their response to the horrors they lived thru? or if Americans want to say “NEVER AGAIN” given the filth that has run the country since Bush 41, it can too, and should.

    but you guys, this is a no-win argument. you are never ever going to convince the majority of decent peoples around the globe of ur ideas that hitler and the nazis werent perhaps as bad as everyone say they were, and that not as many jews were killed as perhaps thought. that aint gonna happen AINT GONNA HAPPEN. so fight other battles. fight the mossad/zionists themselves who are doing the killing and maiming & destroying – identify THEM. but leave the real jewish victims of the nazi filth alone.

    can u get this thru your thick heads or not? will your pride prevent it? move on. fight differently. i think of some nazi bastard coming to my door, and ripping my kids out of my house, taking them to some camp, and taking my wife somewhere altogether different, and me somewhere different. the horror of murdering, destroying….this stuff HAPPENED in nazi germany & poland, etc, and you people are IDIOTS to try to minimize these horrors. look in the mirror & think of your own families.

    • Brian  May 9, 2013 at 11:45 am

      If you do some research you’ll realize the Jewish Zionist controlled Allies were worse than the Nazis, Great Britain started WWII on behalf of it’s Jewish Zionist masters. The Allies initiated the bombing of civilian areas.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 12:55 pm

      Absolutely.

    • eric  May 10, 2013 at 1:55 am

      And thats the truth in a nut shell

    • Luutzen  May 10, 2013 at 4:42 am

      I agree with Michael Rivero’s: All wars are Bankers Wars, confirming the Rothschild monopoly of money creation [and ensuing theft of products and services].

      The US/EU needs a public banking system, with near 0% mortgages for all. This will resolve the economic crisis.

      Also: all wars are crimes against humanity. The elites profit and the ordinary die…

      This is history sofar: for the Ordinary people [99 %] the world has been a Sadistic Universe.

      The 99 % needs more democracy, 0 % mortgages, full employment economies, and justice4all.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      FIRST LET ME THANK KEVIN BARRETT AND GORDON DUFF AND ALL THE FOLKS AT VT WHO HAVE CARVED OUT THIS SMALL ISLAND OF SANITY IN THE SWAMP OF WHAT I CALL THE WHOREPORATE MESS MEDIA AND ITS PRESSTITUTE AGENTS. GOD BLESS YOU, SHIELD YOU FROM DISCOURAGEMENT, AND PROTECT YOU FROM MALICIOUS ATTACKS FROM ALL THE ASSORTED GOONS FROM THE NATIONAL (IN)SECURITY COMPLEX!!! JESUS LOVES YOU ALL!!!

      @Liberty1776. Good questions.

      Why are you so outraged that the Germans “MURDERED THEM, INNOCENT WOMEN & CHILDREN & THE ELDERLY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?” but seem to care less that the Allies murdered 9 million Germans in the same war? Historians say that more than half the casualties in that war were civilian. so German suffering was enormous.

      Why don’t you show anger about all of America’s wars that have killed so many? Let’s start with Iraq and Afghanistan that some say already have killed 3 million Arabs. Does that anger you?

      Ok, let’s move on.

      I for one am a peacafist. I oppose ALL wars including our very own home grown American Revulsion of 1776. I once sat in on a class at a mega church in Colorado. Somehow the question came up of the alleged “christian values” of the founders (people owned slaves and frequently raped them too). I raised my hand and asked the following: “St. Paul says in Romans 13 that we are to submit to the king God places over us. He wrote that with regard to Nero, one of the most vile of the pagan Roman Emperors. So on what grounds can we American Christians justify our rebellion against the British King George, who was a fellow Christian and nowhere near the barbaric Nero?” Well, the class fell silent and then the instructor murmured that this was not the time to ask about American history. I learned more from his non answer than had he actually answered me, namely that the churches engage in deliberate subterfuge and propagandize their congregations and lie and decieve.

      Anyway, that’s a long story to explain why I am universally anti war. Here’s another story: Later I moved on to a small church in Boulder Colorado. A bastion of liberalism. (Except for all the military industries there and the right wing regents who have taken over the university and the city selling off public lands to Monsatano… , all ignored by the pot smoking idiots who live there.) This church was awesome. No politics, a kitchen for the homeless, outreach in the community, etc. I loved it.

      One Sunday the pastor had to attend a conference and he called in two “elders” to run the show. I had never met these men or even heard of them. Both were military vets and one was a campus minister at CU Boulder. Well, the sermon was practically a recruiting pitch for the Pentagon. I couldn’t believe it! I half expected a recruiter to be out in the social hall ready to sign us up!

      I was furious and thought about walking out, but I just waited. After the sermon I went over to talk to the speaker (the campus chaplain, who was a nice enough fellow). He had just finished telling us about how General Patton made sure his men wore ties so they “would look good when they died.” I asked him about world war one. I asked if he knew that all the belligerents (except for Turkey) were Christian nations and that millions of Christians had gone into battle against other Christians to kill and be killed after being blessed priests ministers and rabbis on both sides. (Yes, there were many Jews in the military of Imperial Germany in WWI.) This man just looked at me, then gave me a BIG smile and said: “Only the US and its allies were true Christians; the rest were fake Christians!” Well, I was astounded. This is the kind of comment you might expect from a kid on a playground, but from a campus minister? HELP!

      Let’s move on. One of the big reasons I became a Christian is that I was exhausted by the culture of extreme violence of U$rAel, where I had lived for 18 years (since graduating from another Zionist run institution called Harvard). I saw violence in secular U$rAeli culture against Arabs and in Orthodox Jewish U$rAeli society against secular Jews and against especially “goyim”. I had grown up in California in a very enlightened society of near-total racial and religious harmony, and while as a young person I was excited by the U$rAeli “wild west” where we had our very own A-rab Injuns to pick on with impunity, as I got older I got sick of that society of Jewish morons and wannabee Spartans, who run on fear and adrenalin, and know nothing about the wider world.

      Do you know that U$rAel has NOT ONE public library? In a country of 8 million? It totally contradicts the educational values of Judaism. And the Orthodox Jews who are educated restrict it only to narrow Talmudic studies, and also know NOTHING about the wider world. (This is not true of Orthodox Jews outside of U$rAel, many of whom receive a decent secular education, although still bereft of respect for non-Jews in my opinion. But in U$rAel the situation is truly horrifying. I swear to you that Palestinian kids in tiny impoverished villages learn more about the wider world than the ultra Orthodox Talmudic junkies. Anyway, that’s another long story.)

      But even since my baptism in a natural spring in the Galilee mountains, I have run into Christian Zionists the world over who in my opinion are even more ruthless and war loving than the Zionists. They enable the Zionists, they serve as the hidden lobby supporting U$rAel with guns, bullets, politics and above all money. They rarely if ever speak to U$rAelis about Jesus, since that would be un-PC. I once met a girl working at a Christian bookstore who is a member of a fanatical Christian Ziono church. She told me proudly that their youth group had traveled to U$rAel and sang at Ziono army bases for one month without ever mentioning Jesus to them ONCE!

      PART TWO COMING UP PLEASE GOD

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      So Mr Liberty1776 if you are a Christian Ziono I indict you for all the U$rAeli warcrimes. Don’t be so smug because you have no idea of what it’s like to live over there. Do you know that U$rAel has no Constitution, that it has been operating on emergency war powers since 1948? Do you know that even the most mundane headline is written in screaming 2 inch high letters designed to prep the population to live in perpetual fear and anxiety?

      Let’s move on.

      My main problem with the Holocaust is that it removes or blinds Jews from seeing their suffering within the context of humanity. I truly have no idea of what actually happened in the German concentration camps. Corrie ten Boom was a Dutch Christian imprisoned at Ravensbrook, where her sister died and she barely survived. She reports that the place was horrific. But it also was towards the end of the war and perhaps their suffering was due in part to the fact that the tide of the war had turned against Germany. I don’t know.

      I also read the excellent book by the BBC’s Rees on Auschwitz. In it he reports that the Germans operated two gas chambers called “The little white room” and “The little red room.” He quotes former SS officers who worked at the camp who claim they witnessed gassings and cremations.

      But then we have Grisham’s book, which just echoes the work of many Revisionists, who insists that you cannot mass gas 200 people and then immediately open the doors and send in Jews to pull out the corpses in wheelbarrows and cart them off to crematoria without poisoning all people involved with cyanide. This claim seems credible to me and if true would cast doubt on one of the cherished Jewish allegations against Germany.

      But as I wrote above, even if every Jewish claim about the Holocaust were true, it just irritates me that it removes that horrendous experience from the overall context of that horrendous war in which perhaps 60 million people died worldwide. I once made a sign that said: IN THE WORLD WAR II 60 MILLION DIED. THE JEWS WERE JUST THE TITHE!

      Another problem is that Jews are blind to their transgressions against German society that provoked the wrath of the Germans. They ignore their role in the Bolshevik Revolution and in operating the Soviet secret police (in truth American Jews are ignorant of these things since their educators and rabbis work hard to hide the truth from them); they ignore the role of Jewish financiers to cripple the German economy after Versailles; they ignore the fact that rich Jews turned Berlin into the sleaze capital of Europe while ordinary Germans (yes, those that Jewish elitist Daniel Goldhagen loves to castigate) languished without work, without pensions, without food in the German depression). They ignore it all and pretend to be purely innocent sacrificial lambs!

      As a Christian who believes that Jesus calls us to higher level of Truth, this Jewish attitude is totally unacceptable to me. Once at a Holocaust memorial event at a Colorado university, I asked the Hillel director who was sponsoring it if she knew about the firebombing holocaust we inflicted upon Germany and Japan. She looked at me and then literally turned white and started shaking and spat out: “Only Jews have a right to use that word!”

      Well I for one totally and categorically reject that narrow and narcissistic attitude. I also am aware that the more Jews are able to inflict Holocaust guilt on the wider world, the more self righteous and out of control they become. So while we are endlessly bullied about “Nazi savagery”, the world ignores the Jewish fleecing of Wall Street, ownership of our economy, Jewish Monsatano poisoning our food supply with their vile GMOs, Jewish doctors making American the most over medicated and least healthy people in the world, Jewish lobbyists owning Washed out District of Corruption, Jewish Hollywood poisoning our minds and morals with its banal trash, etc almost infinitum

      We even have outrageous assholes like Jay Lehr of the Heartland Institute in Chicago smiling on FOX news and assuring us that the Fukushima catastrophe is absolutely harmless and overrated and of no consequence to the health of anyone and certainly should not stop the resurgence of nuclear power.

      I do not believe any of this is mere coincidence. The more the Jews distract us with Holocaustolotry, the more the depredations of Jewish elites increase against the entire global community.

      Perhaps it would help to consider the Holocaust as part of a very clever Jewish arsenal of psychological warfare. Why you as an supposed “1776 Patriot” would want to succumb to it is beyond me. Maybe you are what Alex Jones cleverly calls a Patriotard?

    • liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm

      mevashir i am a Christian, and not a zionist Christian. & u are judging wrongly. and I think some of ur quotes of Christians seem a bit embellished – you make them sound like total idiots for your ‘arguments.’ stick to the topic at hand.

      answer me this:

      did Germans, Nazis murder innocent Jewish children, women, men, elderly, disabled during the 1930’s & 1940’s? Answer the question.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      @Liberty:

      “and what is the point of the Grisham quotes? so what? did anybody ever die from possible leaked gas in america in gas chamber executions? no, of course not. so there are leak issues, so what, they were dealt with.”

      You miss the point about Grisham. The part relevant to the Holocaust is the description of the incredible precautions taken to ventilate the prison gas chamber and then sending in personnel wearing protective clothing to wash down the room and remove the corpse. None of these precautions were taken by the Jews supposedly sent in to clean out the corpses from the alleged Nazi gas chambers. So how did they do it without dying en masse?

      “did Germans, Nazis murder innocent Jewish children, women, men, elderly, disabled during the 1930′s & 1940′s? Answer the question.”

      I guess so. But they justified it by considering Jews as real or potential enemies of the state.

      Now you answer me this:

      Are you weeping over the American Holocausts and genocides committed in Korea and Vietnam? How many innocent Vietnamese did we kill with napalm and carpet bombing? I read in the Korean War we killed 20% of the entire Korean population and destroyed literally every city north of the parallel.

      Are you disturbed by that? I find that at least as heinous as the alleged atrocities committed by Germany against Jews in WWII.

    • clausdoehring  May 10, 2013 at 4:25 pm

      liberty 1776, let me answer your question to mevashir because i lived at this time in germany. germans and nazis did not murder innocent jewish children women and so on
      what you are maintaining is absolute nonsense.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm

      @Emma Yacht:
      “…This in response to a commenter, “I oppose ALL wars including our very own home grown American Revulsion of 1776.” Pacifists always have to rely on someone else to defend them, do they not?”

      God defends me, and if I have to die I do so with a clean conscience and not with the soiled self righteous cruelty of the bogus Christian patriot crowd who actually are intoxicated with mindless violence and pointless savagery.

      My experience in church is that these people have never gotten over the Indian wars and use U$rAel as their vicarious outlet for aggression against relatively defenseless native peoples.

    • liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 5:45 pm

      mevashir, i am absolutely outraged over ANY MURDERING of innocent life. the killing of any germans included. I LOATHE the Iraq & Afghan wars. I am not a hypocrite on the shedding of innocent blood. but the topic here was the jewish holocaust.

    • lawrencedickerson  May 9, 2013 at 7:50 pm

      mevashir says:

      “Do you know that U$rAel has NOT ONE public library? ”

      I suggest that you insure that you are promoting true and valid information.Israel has had a Public Library Law since 1975 and for sure they are lacking a finesse in their public library system;however,it is improving all the time.Each synagogue has a library as well as the shuls.

      When you post such blatant untruths then it makes all other posts somewhat suspicious.

      http://www.worlib.org/vol06no2/korn_v06n2.shtml

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:38 pm

      @lawrencedickerson re libraries:

      thanks for the reference. pretty funny the author is also named Korn!

      I was speaking emotionally. I lived in many Israeli cities during my 20 years there, including Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberius, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Ra’anana. My impression is that there are no public libraries like those we have in the states, financed by taxation for the general good of the public.

      Public universities do not count, since only registered students may borrow books. Synagogues do not count since their collections are purely Judaica and usually available to their members only.

      So I stand by my earlier comment. U$rAel does not have a tradition of publicly financed lending libraries. Rich U$rAelis buy books, but the general culture is anti-intellectual and moronic compared to Jews living outside of U$rAel.

      Please not these paragraphs from the link you provide:

      “The pattern of creating libraries to support the weaker socioeconomic areas meant that the older cities and rural settlements were the last to benefit. Sara Hershkovitz, et al. (1991) describes this situation with particular reference to the Tel–Aviv area, noting that although the government is now trying close the gap, neighborhoods whose population includes a high potential of library users continue to lack library services.

      “More than two–thirds of the libraries are located in rural settlements, including the kibbutzim, and account for 46 percent of the total number of volumes (Sever and Branse 1991). Even though the country is small, the rural areas are isolated because travelling distances are long. Hoffman–Pfeffer (1987) describes the effect of a rural cooperative library system in meeting library needs and suggests that it be considered a model for providing library services to the Israeli rural community.”

    • talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      right on Brian, get over your jewish power trip!

    • Yukon Jack  May 9, 2013 at 1:57 pm

      quote: “LOOK, nazis terrorized & murdered jews, whether by a million or 6 million, who cares. THEY MURDERED THEM, INNOCENT WOMEN & CHILDREN & THE ELDERLY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? There is no DENYING that. the final tally is not the issue, certainly not to those victims, and their families, and those communities.”

      LOOK liberty1776, Jewish Neocons terrorized & murdered Iraqis, whether by a million or 6 million, who cares. THEY MURDERED THEM, INNOCENT WOMEN & CHILDREN & THE ELDERLY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? There is no DENYING that. the final tally is not the issue, certainly not to those victims, and their families, and those communities.

      LOOK liberty1776, Jewish Neocons terrorized & murdered 2850 Americans on 911 so that Israhell could have her war on Iraq

      LOOK liberty1776, Jewish Neocons terrorized & murdered thousands of Afghnanis with a 10 year brutal occupation on behest of Israel

      LOOK liberty1776, Jewish Neocons terrorized & murdered hundreds of innocent Pakinstani women and children with Predator Drones.

      LOOK liberty1776 you don’t have a problem with a state murdering innocent men women and children, you only have a problem with a state that isn’t run by Jews that does it.

    • liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm

      i am ONLY talking about the guilt of nazis Killing innocent jews.

      YES I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ZIONISTS & MOSSAD & THE SCUM IN OUR FED GOV & CIA/FBI KILLING INNOCENT AMERICANS ON 9/11, AFGHANI’S, AND IRAQIS. ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS WRONG AND EACH OF THESE MURDERERS WILL be judged by a holy God who says THOU SHALL NOT MURDER, AND I HATE THE SHEDDING of innocent blood.

      I know – do you hear me? I KNOW that the zionists are scum, the Mossad is scum. they are oppressors and killers and deceivers, but i am simply trying to make some of you people see the full truth and hypocrisy of your bloodlust against the “Jews” — I LOATHE the NEOCONS. the murders of 100’s of thousands of INNOCENT IRAQis MAKE ME SICK AND ANGRY. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush 41, Bush43, ETC, ETC- THEY ARE SCUM for what they did.

      for crying out loud, stop pulling my comments out of context.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:40 pm

      @Yukon:

      “LOOK liberty1776 you don’t have a problem with a state murdering innocent men women and children, you only have a problem with a state that isn’t run by Jews that does it.”

      Touche my man!

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 8:01 pm

      Yes, the final tally IS the ISSUE, because they made it the issue. The total number is what they use to club us with. If it were some smaller number, the significance would be lost and it would NOT be possible.

      They chose the number, (which by the way they were using many, many years before as the number) in order to claim “EXCEPTIONAL STATUS”.

      So IT IS THE NUMBER that’s significant. You can’t just say a lesser number now and still get the sympathy, oh we made a slight mistake of a few million, when it was all about the number 6 million in proportion to their size. Many other groups lost huge numbers of people, but they the “Jews” wanted to outdo everyone else with this UN-imaginable claim, and got the sympathy for it. Now, it’s seen to be UN-true.

  24. matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 11:08 am

    For years I believed many things until exposed to meticulous independent research:

    -the 911 Osama Bin Laden narrative.

    -the Federal Reserve was a legitimate organ of government.

    -the alphabet agencies were the good guys.

    -WWII was a good and just war, with the allies as the good guys.

    -Vietnam was fought to help the Vietnamese. My God.

    -Jews were the chosen of God and the most sympathetic people in history due to the holocaust.

    -The Bolshevik revolution was a simple power grab by Russians.

    All bullshit lies.

    What are the odds that while every western child is force fed horrific tales of the jewish holocaust, the real holocaust was perpetrated upon Russian Christians… by jews? That 911 was mossad and friends? That Jews have run banking, politics, and war for over a hundred years?

    Want to understand zionism? Read The Controverwsy of Zion, by Douglas Reed, London Times Correspondent. Want to see what happens to modern historians who question the holocaust? See Banged Up, by David Irving. While you’re at it, buy some or all of Irving’s 30+ books. He is a peerless historian who was financially destroyed by what he now calls “the opposition”.

    The Holocaust? There is fantastic independent research which shows it is also a lie. A very profitable lie.

    • Brian  May 9, 2013 at 11:18 am

      Well done.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 11:23 am

      A very familiar song was playing on KUSC just now, which the dj named as the theme from Schinlder’s List. What a film! There is another online that is better by far. It is called The Last Days of The Big Lie. Google brings it right up.

    • liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 11:46 am

      the ‘holocaust’ was not a lie. nazis murdered jewish men, women, children, elderly, disabled. (& other races).

      are you saying that nazis did not murder a hell of a lot of Jewish people? is that what you are calling a lie? because u r deceived if u r.

      i agree w/ u on 9/11, Fed, Bolsheviks, vietnam etc etc, but satan is very tricky when it comes to the hebrews.. he has played both sides of it so well most people do not delineate the truth from the tragedies.

      people that call the holocaust a lie are deceived. perhaps it is this label “holocaust” that you people are stuck on. if that’s the case, then call it something else. NAZIS MURDERED JEWISH PEOPLE IN GREAT NUMBERS. U r no better than Hitler or Goerring if u deny that. and dumber, too.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 12:27 pm

      Next

    • liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm

      another genius.

    • Brian  May 9, 2013 at 12:30 pm

      Based on research from the scholarly revisionists the Nazis executed some people including Jews they thought were actively going against them in the war, as far as I know there is no evidence Germans killed Jews during WWII just because they were Jews, stop listening to Jewish Zionist propaganda. Please provide evidence the Nazis murdered Jews in great numbers just because they were Jews.

    • talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:44 pm

      why were all the other nations ganging up on Germany, why didn’t they let freedom spread rather than create a climate of war- in wars bad things happen-who wanted the war- your poor little persecuted jews wanted the war from 1933 on!

    • robert  May 9, 2013 at 6:29 pm

      Not much is known about the Boer War.

      It’s history explains much of what was to follow with the outbreak of WW1. which fuelled the powder keg leading to WW2. It also was a precursor as to how Jewish manipulation of politicians and circumstances, causes war for others. It was successful in Africa and still used now by Israel to this moment.

      Sir Alfred Milner was the governor appointed by Britain to administer the Cape Province in Africa after South Africa was divided between the Boers of Dutch and German decent, who ended up with the Transvaal, and the English in the south.

      Enormous deposits in gold, minerals and diamonds were discovered in the Transvaal.

      Milner was approached (bought) by Jewish interests, to somehow get back the control of the Transvaal to seize the wealth. The main men in question were Alfred Beit and Cecil Rhodes. Milner with Beit backing, organised a false flag operation with paid agitators, posing as Boers, attacking British citizens living in the Transvaal and blaming it onto the Boers. The unrest between the Boers and British subjects was reported back to Queen Victoria requesting that Britain send troops to protect her British subjects in the Transvaal. (Look like Syria???)

      The Queen resisted getting Britain involved in a war with the Boers. Milne with Beits money increased the agitation with reports of horrific atrocities being perpetrated on the British. With the British media in a frenzy at home, the Queen and Parliament relented and sent troops in what became a war like no other before it in it’s form and viciousness.

      The British did not know how to fight a guerrilla war against a patriotic foe fighting for their homeland. After years of defeats the British finally resorted to dirty methods to win the day such as concentration camps designed to starve and kill women and children of the Boers to demoralise their fighters into submission. Their homesteads were burned, crops destroyed and a propaganda war sapped the Boers into capitulation.

      Of course the wealth ended up in the hands of the Jewish supremacists whilst Britain suffered the cost of the war.

      Whilst not all Germans supported the Boers, the brutality and callousness of the war was not lost on the Germans sympathetic to their countrymen. The spoils of Imperialism and the injustices of the war simmered and was a catalyst for WW1. It was the Jews who realized that Europe had to be reshaped to ensure their protection from retaliation and retribution and also gain from the spoils of a new war. Having a homeland would be a good idea to seek isolation and protection from those who had a hatred of the Jewish deceitfulness.

      The Jews rightfully saw the Germans as the one Nation with the will that could bring about their destruction so they set about to destroy Germany before that could happen.

      The rest is history as they say, and it is repeating itself, only this time it is not gold and diamonds, but oil and gas..

      “The Boer War” by Thomas Packenham is a brilliant book detailing the events leading up to and during the war.

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      Excellent post. Thank you.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      Seconded resoundingly.

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 11:44 pm

      Superb post. I lived for four years in South Africa. I saw that to this day the Afrikaaners do not like the Anglos. And they remember the atrocities committed against them deeply.

  25. Brian  May 9, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I suggest decent human being just ignore him

  26. Brian  May 9, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Michael Korn, well done. Thanks to Kevin for publishing this article. I could go further with evidence showing the absurdity of the notion the Germans gassed the Jews but the Holocaust lie just makes me sad.

    No Germans should feel guilty about their people trying to exterminate the Jews, it didn’t happen. If the Allies didn’t bomb the roads and bridges near Auschwitz, the Red Cross personnel and Germans would have continued to bring food and medicine to Auschwitz to keep the prisoners alive.

    I think the Jewish supremacists who controlled the Allies intentionally blew up the roads and bridges to Auschwitz so the prisoners would die of disease and starvation in order to convince the world’s population the Germans gassed the Jews to death. Absurd? I don’t think so.

    • liberty1776  May 9, 2013 at 11:51 am

      Brian: “I think the Jewish supremacists who controlled the Allies intentionally blew up the roads and bridges to Auschwitz so the prisoners would die of disease and starvation in order to convince the world’s population the Germans gassed the Jews to death. Absurd? I don’t think so.”

      are u seriously that stupid? OH YES, BRIAN, the NAZIS were SO OBSESSED with BRING FOOD & MEDICINE TO AUSCHWITZ for their JEWISH FRIENDS THEY HAD RIPPED OUT OF THEIR HOMES, MURDERED SOME, THROWN INTO A BARBED-WIRE PRISON CAMP, ETC…BUt Damn those roads & bridges got bombed. I guess they couldnt FLY IN THAT FOOD & MEDICINE they do desperately wanted to get to their Jewish guests?

      deceived idiot. Do u people even realize how STUPID YOU SOUND? IS IT YOUR IQ or has LUCIFIER toyed so easily with your little brains?

      sickening.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 12:37 pm

      It was a bright spring day. Somewhere in the distance a poodle yapped its life away.

    • Brian  May 9, 2013 at 12:37 pm

      You’re an idiot, I don’t think your a Zionist shill, I think you’re an idiot. The Red Cross created a huge number of letters documenting their trips to Auschwitz and other intern camps showing they brought food and medicine to the intern camps.

      Mark Weber a great revisionist who speaks German read a vast amount of the available German documents gathered by the Allies, he translated them into English; there are numerous Nazi documents stating high level Nazis wanted to improve the health of the prisoners in the intern camps. Why? Because they were a vital part in making munitions for the Germans during the war. You’re making a fool out of yourself.

    • Brian  May 9, 2013 at 12:42 pm

      There are Red Cross letters stating they had to stop bringing food and medicine to Auschwitz and other intern camps because of the Allies bombing the areas. The Allies knew bombing the roads and bridges near Auschwitz would lead to a large number of deaths due to disease and starvation in Auschwitz unless they were as dumb as you.

    • Peace  May 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm

      It’s emotional here today. Truth is people killed on all sides and all sides were equally guilty. None of us did anything so lets live in peace. Still my heart beats for those victims which we are not allowed to love. God would shure love all of them the most. And, we all are equally chosen to enjoy Divine revelations. It’s great to be a lover of humanity and not listen to teachers who teach division and hatred. All deserve our love and affection – Germans and Jewish alike. See, history is complex and we truly swim in an ocean of lies. Hence, it is best to not believe anything which without evidence. We must research history based on rationality and not emotionality. Imagine… To throw the concept of enemy into the trash can of history for good. See matrix is an illusion and nothing is as it seems – our heart however wants to love. It’s not sick to question anything under the sky. Even Buddha said so. Our good intention matters.

    • talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:46 pm

      jews can’t handle the truth cause there isn’t any money in it

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 8:15 pm

      Good one!

  27. Kevin Barrett  May 9, 2013 at 10:32 am

    So if you hate the Jewish religion, does that mean you hate most or all of the people who follow that religion? Or view them as having a serious defect? That doesn’t make sense to me. I have seen people who follow the Jewish religion and live good, ethical, “Jewish” lives, and others who seem ethically challenged. I’m not sure the religion should get all the credit in the first case, or the blame in the second. I prefer Gilad Atzmon’s approach: It’s Jewish identity politics, not the Jewish religion, that has taken the wrong path. Blanket hatred of all things Jewish is wrongheaded, like similar prejudices against other groups.

    • The Rahnameh  May 9, 2013 at 10:52 am

      Agreed, but Alan Hart has long ago babbled himself into irrelevancy. You can only say the same redundant things so many times and try to create moral ambiguities where there is a clear right and wrong for so long before people realize you’re just trying to soften the inevitable blow of justice.

      On another note, can someone please remove the moderation from my current IP? I hate using a VPN to bypass it 😆

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 11:22 am

      The “Jews” are the only people who claim to be “chosen” by “G_d” himself as a consequence of their superior bloodline. EVERYTHING in Judaism stems from that, the special land deals, the entire Talmud, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, about 90 percent of Israeli “politics” of who is “chosen and who isn’t, the never-ending nepotism we see in just about any government office, the judiciary, corporations etc., the proud usury of our Darwinian con-job financial system, I could go on. These things are not people, they are ideas and particularly rotten and pernicious ideas that can ALL be traced to the BASIC TENETS of their proponents, the idea of “choseness.”

      Other religions seem to embrace “choseness” as a consequence of good works, altruism, kindness, self discipline or other virtues. The idea that “choseness” is EARNED. Even most Old Testament fearing Christians have realized that yer mama’s DNA won’t get you SQUAT in the eyes of God, but to Jews yer mama’s DNA is just about EVERYTHING.

      Sorry, KB, but Judaism REALLY IS exceptional. Yes, this leaned-superiority also causes its followers to do some pretty sick things, on average. (I’ve spent most of my life in Jewish-dominated fields and locales and have a lot of unpleasant stories I could tell.) I’ll postulate that there are good “ethnic Jews” out there, but perhaps it’s been my bad luck or your good luck to have met so few or so many.

      My point is that ideologies have consequences and the reverse is true; that rotten consequences can be traced directly back to the rotten ideas that spawned them. Only then can THE BLAME be squarely placed where it belongs.

    • markpeters  May 9, 2013 at 9:50 pm

      Martin Luther wrote about their assumed superiority.That vile book the talmud along with the teachings of rabid rabbis only keeps it going.

    • talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:48 pm

      Judaism is a secret society disguised and camouflaged by religion, race and nationhood-international in scope- they were the communists and they are zionists and they will creat havoc till they lose or run the world openly

    • Allesandro  May 9, 2013 at 8:19 pm

      I would still like to get Gilad’s personal view on the Israeli, Jewish parts played in 9/11, but that never seems to be forthcoming. Why is that?

      Is that the one topic that cannot be broached, because of their role in it?

  28. Cold Wind  May 9, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Regarding the allegations in the Official ‘Holocaust’ narrative, why is it this subject, in its detail, is singularly closed to public scrutiny? Why are people threatened, humiliated, jailed, sued and even murdered for publicly questioning even the most basic elements of this narrative? We might very well suppose, given the reaction to questioning the “Holocaust” that, like the official 9-11 narrative, there is little truth in it. If you disagree, then let the question of ‘Holocaust’ veracity be publicly examined, point by point! The truth will out.

    • talmudawaregoyim  May 9, 2013 at 1:50 pm

      it’s a “lynchpin” like 911 for the NWO that is mostly jewish in nature

  29. DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Brilliant comment by Ingid Rimland.

    Regarding KB’s assertion that VT’s comments section sometimes drip with anti Jewish hatred, I would only like to say that, yes, there are those like me who absolutely, positively DESPISE nearly everything about the Jewish ideology, that is, Judaism. But KB glosses over THE BIG LIE, that hatred of an ideology is the same as hatred of a race. Even if so-called Jews were / are a race, something that is ludicrous at best, hating their so-called “religion” has no relevance whatsoever to hating their physical beings, their genetic makeup, their mothers’ DNA, things like that.

    The Jews who have tried to con us into believing that hatred of their “religion” is equivalent to hating their race are now victims of their own lies: When a group claims special privileges based on ethnicity, they can’t deny their fabricated “ethnicity” when others resent their claim to superior status and privilege.

    • The Rahnameh  May 9, 2013 at 10:56 am

      I hate Khazarians pretending they are Semites and the Hebrews of the Bibles. They’ve stolen not only a land, but the indigenous people’s identity as well.

      I don’t bother rolling in the dirt with their faux religious derailments. They’re not a religion — they’re imposters with an expansionist and supremacist dialogue, intent on ruining the world to rule it.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 11:40 am

      I agree, but it’s their supremacist / expansionist “it’s ALL mine” ideology, POSING as a “protected” religion, that causes so much suffering for everyone else.

    • The Rahnameh  May 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm

      Also, if you hate them all (and I wouldn’t blame you if you do at this point — it’s only human to react to that kind of nastiness in such a manner), how can you divide and conquer a propos to fulfilling the objective of smashing an organized capitulation of mankind?

      For instance, I fathom that you place the “Jews against Zionism” somewhere above the rest given their stances against Israel, articulating the role of Zionism and more.

      Right now, there is a growing “silent” bloc that is a potential splinter group to the solidarity formed by Talmudists through the Zionist political ideology. They are too afraid to voice their dissent (being outcast by what they deem to be their own), wish to distance themselves from the criticism, or otherwise can no longer reconcile their everyday beliefs with what is going on halfway around the world. That group needs to fight the problem from within.

      In any case, you’re right. Zionism has overtaken Judaism and seldomly is Judaism taught in a form that would teach its adherents that the entirety of humanity is “special” and not just them.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm

      I only despise people who consider themselves superior by birth. To those “ethnic Jews” (whatever that means) who don’t harbor feelings of birthright-superiority, I have no qualms.

      However, an “ethnic Jew” who doesn’t consider himself “special” or “superior” or “chosen” is not really a Jew, at least by the definition we’re TOLD to accept. It’s a self-cancelling “religion”, as are most other LIES.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 1:09 pm

      Hate feeds what gnostics called the archons. In my experience, when I focus hate on somebody like… Lucky Larry, I feel like hell.

      So.. writing logically about the enormous discrepancies in history is tonic. Trolls use insults to take us off our game, and if we bite, our vibe drops. Mine did today. The key is to have data and references in this discussion.

      Anyway I agree that feeling hate is incredibly counter productive.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 7:39 pm

      How can anyone feel anything BUT hatred for what the Jews have done to the Middle East and elsewhere? To not feel hatred is to not have feelings for (mostly) innocent victims.

      Hate is a natural emotion. Whether it’s good or bad merely depends on what you do with it.

  30. draximus  May 9, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Totally agree with Ingrid Rimland. When you remove the eye witness anecdotal testimony of the ‘holocaust’ and simply look at the forensic evidence, of which there is practically none, then you must ask yourself a lot of questions. How could hundreds of people be gassed in chambers that weren’t exactly hermetically sealed, without killing everyone in the immediate area? How could these chambers then be emptied of bodies by other prisoners who were not provided with any kind of protection against gas residues? How could so many corpses be disposed of in crematoria in such short periods of time, with a fuel supply which, at best, would have only been available intermittently? The physical science just doesn’t add up. In any kind of serious investigation eye witness testimony is considered to be the most unreliable…. Unless of course, you are discussing the ‘holocaust’…

    • mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 9:34 am

      I disagree with Ingrid’s comment about “tangential reasons why there are “deniers” in this world who simply won’t shut up”. These points are not tangential at all but go to the heart of the German narrative about WWII, a perspective that we in the west are not allowed to hear. Since every war has its victors and victims, and each side justifies its atrocities in a machiavellian utilitarian manner, it is vitally important to maintain a good narrative to elicit popular support and sympathy.

      It is not enough to just roll out a bunch of dry “teutonic” facts. Ingrid is very naive if she imagines that proving there were no homicidal gas chambers will whitewash Germany’s reputation in the eyes of the world and especially Jewish groups. So long as Hitler is perceived as a scurrilous villain, as almost all Jews uniformly do, then even if not one single Jew died in a concentration camp they would still clamor for reparations for the simple fact that they were incarcerated against their will and their lives made miserable, just as Japanese Americans have demanded from the US Government over their WWII forced incarceration.

      Ingrid needs to learn to do what Jews excel in: manipulate public opinion in order to enlist support and sympathy from her audience. She needs to provide a compelling overall narrative of why Hitler was a great leader, not a limp wristed apologetic for why he “wasn’t so bad after all.” That will impress no one.

      Perhaps this is why the most effective Revisionists seem to be Jews: Mark Weber, David Cole, David Irving. Jews naturally are good story tellers, and that’s why they always end up winning the culture wars.

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 11:34 am

      Adolph Hitler gained the adoration of the German people by utterly reversing economic ruin in 18 months, a feat which could be replicated in any country at any time.

      Money is not real, yet it destroys or builds at the whim of its creators. Money comes from thin air… who has the authority to print it?

      The very last people who should possess that power, have it.

    • DaveE  May 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm

      This is a very important point, the difference between providing information (data) and providing the framework to process the data.

      Most people are totally burned out on “data”, they already have more than their brains can handle. What many lack is a clear understanding of what it all means, how it all fits together, where it leads and things like that.

      Powerful arguments are made by powerful presentation of data within a framework, leading to a conclusion that most would accept as accurate or truthful. The data itself doesn’t tell the story, the framework does. This is what most people seem to need help with on comment boards, IMHO.

      A good Jewish lawyer can frame the most ridiculous crap in such a way that it sounds truthful, until you really think about it for a few moments. As an example I would cite nearly EVERYTHING about the Holocaust ™ or zionism.

      The best arguments use a few key facts, well chosen, and a consistent line of argument that holds up to a little common-sense scrutiny.

    • Chris Natias  May 10, 2013 at 8:00 am

      Michael, I am certain Mark Weber and David Irving will be shocked to find out they are Jews. But it must be true because another Jew said it — albeit a Christian Jew — right? You have spewed a good deal of garbage across this board. Remember, it is the victors who write the history books and the Germans have been legally locked out, at least in Germany, from telling their side of the story. That is why David Irving and Mark Weber tell the German side of the story in the USA. And they have been subject to harassment, vilification and even imprisonment.

  31. Yukon Jack  May 9, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Alan Hart is mentally ill. Obviously he is unable to read and comprehend Jewish propaganda or do simple math. He opens with this statement in bold “Does it really matter HOW Jews were exterminated in Nazi concentration camps?”.

    Yes it does matter because if that number is off or way off then we know that those telling the story are lying. Does the media lie to us? Why yes they do. If the media lies then no honest or rational person would trust the source. You can not trust the Jewish owned media when they are discussing the holocaust.

    We now know the six million number was used hundreds of times before Hitler, it is a magic number for the Jews. We need to know the real number for many reasons, Alan Hart dismisses that, he is like Noam Chomsky who says its doesn’t matter who did 911.

    What about the 65 million people who died in the war? This obsession with the Jewish Holocaust diminishes other peoples. What about the German Holocaust? It was the Jews that declared war on Germany.

    Why does VT have blatantly pro Jewish propaganda writers like Alan Hart?

  32. mevashir  May 9, 2013 at 8:21 am

    This is the passage from the John Grisham novel mentioned above:

    The following passage is taken from the novel:
    The Chamber by John Grisham (Dec 27, 2005), pages 253-256

    The novel is about a former KKK member named Sam, who waits on death row for his part in bombing the office of a Jewish attorney who campaigned for civil rights in Mississippi. The state still used the gas chamber at that time. His attorney, Adam, is his own grandson who struggles to understand Sam’s violent past even as he battles to delay the execution.

    And while Grisham in no way discusses, or even alludes to, the Nazi Holocaust in this book, this passage contains disturbing implications about the alleged Nazi gas chambers and seems to validate some of the claims of Holocaust revisionists and deniers, who argue that it is not possible to gas large numbers of people in relatively unsealed rooms and then immediately remove the corpses ignoring all precautionary measures without endangering the entire camp, including other prisoners and personnel.

    “Sam had an audience, and Adam was captivated. “How many men have died in Mississippi’s [gas] chamber?” he asked.

    “It was first used here in 1954, or thereabouts. Between then and 1970, they killed thirty-five men. No women. After Furman is 1972, it sat idle until Teddy Doyle Meeks in 1982. They’ve used it three times since then, so that’s a total of thirty-nine. I’ll be number forty.”

    He began pacing again, now much slower. “It’s a terribly inefficient way to kill people,” he said, much like a professor in front of a classroom. “And it’s dangerous. Dangerous of course to the poor guy strapped in the chair, but also to those outside the chamber. These damned things are old and they all leak to some degree. The seals and gaskets rot and crumble, and the cost of building a chamber that will not leak is prohibitive. A small leak could be deadly to the executioner or anyone standing nearby. There are always a handful of people — Naifeh, Lucas Mann, maybe a minister, the doctor, a guard or two — standing in the little room just outside the chamber. There are two doors to this little room, and they are closed during an execution. If any of the gas leaked from the chamber into the room, it would probably hit Naifeh or Lucas Mann and they’d croak right there on the floor. Not a bad idea, come to think of it.

    “The witnesses are also in a great deal of danger, and they don’t have a clue. There’s nothing between them and the chamber except for a row of windows, which are old and equally subject to leakage. They’re also in a small room, and if there’s a gas leak of any size these gawking fools get gassed too.

    “But the real danger comes afterward. There’s a wire they stick to your ribs and it runs through a hole in the chamber to outside where a doctor monitors the heartbeat. Once the doctor says the guy is dead, they open a valve on top of the chamber and the gas is supposed to evaporate. Most of it does. They’ll wait fifteen minutes or so, then open the door. The cooler air from the outside that’s used to evacuate the chamber causes a problem because it mixes with the remaining gas and condenses on everything inside. It creates a death trap for anyone going in. It’s extremely dangerous, and most of these clowns don’t realize how serious it is. There’s a residue of prussic acid on everything — walls, windows, floor, ceiling, door, and, of course, the dead guy.

    “They spray the chamber and the corpse with ammonia to neutralize the remaining gas, then the removal team or whatever it’s called goes in with oxygen masks. They’ll wash the inmate a second time with ammonia or chlorine bleach because the poison oozes through the pores in the skin. While he’s strapped in the chair, they cut his clothes off, put them in a bag, and burn them….

    “What happens to the body?” Adam asked, somewhat ashamed to read on such sensitive matters but nonetheless anxious to complete the story….

    “Well, once it’s sufficiently washed and disinfected, they dress it in prison garb, pull it out of the chair, then put it in a body bag. They place it on a stretcher that goes into an ambulance, which takes it to a funeral home somewhere. The family takes over at that point. Most families.”

    • John G.  May 9, 2013 at 11:36 am

      Grisham’s historical fiction is excellent.

      But, testimony from a true expert — Fred Leuchter, sole builder of gas and electric chair execution chambers in the U.S. in the ’70s — is more compelling, at least to me.

      “…After the execution, explains Leuchter: “You go in. The inmate has to be completely washed down with chlorine bleach or with ammonia. The poison exudes right out through his skin. And if you gave the body to an undertaker, you’d kill the undertaker. You’ve got to go in; you’ve got to completely wash the body.”

      His outstanding book:
      http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/16-tlr.pdf

  33. robert  May 9, 2013 at 7:42 am

    I have no doubt Jews suffered during WW2, but the suffering has been exaggerated out of proportion to create was is generally referred to as “The Holocaust Industry”

    The following link is a must see, debunking Spielberg’s effort to legitimize holocaust history.

    It is long but needs to be viewed to understand some of the lies that have been told supporting the Big Lie.

    https://sites.google.com/site/spielbergshoax/

    • matthewmccauley  May 9, 2013 at 11:53 am

      Here’s the crux, Emma-

      Hitler rebuilt Germany and her morale in record time. Then he made military and diplomatic decisions that regained German territory and German-speaking peoples removed at the end of WWI.

      Then… Hitler’s military decisions caused so many troops stupidly lost that his own staff should have, wanted to, but failed to assassinate the man. Germany lost- again. Her people were subject to the most horrific victor’s justice the world ever saw. (The singular expert on this and related is Mark Weber at ihr, see The Myth of The Good War).

      If you learn everything possible about WWII through [people like Reed, Weber, and Irving… you get the grim feeling that the German race is so despised and feared by “the opposition” that they were attempted to be genocided, and that Hitler was the catalyst, in other words a double agent who led Germany to her ruin deliberately. That the entire western world poised, drooling, to annihilate Germany in this way, and then give away 10 nations to the USSR and communist rule (jewish-communist rule), explains so very much.

      George Patton called the Germans the finest people in Europe. Eisehhower, politically promoted above Patton, oversaw the rape of Germany while Patton was ordered home to die under highly questionable circumstances.

      But Germany, like Russia, is not destroyed. Far from it.

    • marz  May 9, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      “The application of force alone, without support based on a spiritual concept, can never bring about the destruction of an idea or arrest the propagation of it, unless one is ready and able to ruthlessly to exterminate the last upholders of that idea even to a man, and also wipe out any tradition which it may tend to leave behind.” I bet Hitler was talking/writing in German and did not say “and also”. That would have been an addition of some dumbassed translator.

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