Amalek Hits Israel

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling,—1 Samuel 15:3

 

by Roy Tov

 

What is the worst insult a religious Jew may use?* What is the most violent act permitted to a religious Jew? Is rabbinical Judaism related to the Biblical one?

The answer to these three questions is related. Unsurprisingly, they will kill to hide the hideous fact.

On July 14, 2013, the worst insult was uttered by the Head of the Porat Yosef Yeshiva, towards Netanyahu’s Zionist-Religious partners, initiating the next stage in what until now had been a slow and tired war. Not anymore. “Amalek,” the Jewish Weapon of Mass Destruction has been deployed.

Burial Tomb Queen Esther and Mordecai

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Burial Tomb Queen Esther and Mordecai, Hamadan, Iran
Remember Amalek!: Vengeance, Zealotry, and Group Destruction

Taking God out of Judaism

 The Book of Esther is in Ktuvim (“Writings”), the third section of the Tanakh, the Old Testament. It is set in the third year of Ahasuerus, King of Persia; due to Hebrew peculiarities, it becomes Ahashverosh (“h” as “ch” in “loch”) in that language. The name Ahasuerus is also equivalent to Xerxes, this one is Xerxes I (486-465 BC). The book tells the story of a Jewish girl called Esther, who became queen of Persia and thwarted a plan to commit genocide against her people. The Book of Esther, also called the Megillah (“scroll” in Hebrew), is the basis for the Jewish celebration of Purim. Its full text is read aloud twice during the celebration, in the evening and again the following morning.

This book is highly questionable. It doesn’t mention God even once; that’s odd for what is supposed to be religious literature. Then, it is the only book of the Old Testament that did not show up in the Dead Sea Manuscripts, hinting that it was a late, rabbinical, addition to the Old Testament. Some of the acts described there are so hideous that many Christians refrain from reading it in Church.

If analyzing its content, one can’t but wonder about the similitude of this book with the literature produced by the 2nd century BC Maccabean Revolt (see Empire Celebrates Hanukkah). This revolt succeeded; the Temple in Jerusalem was liberated and rededicated. The festival of Hanukkah was then instituted. Hanukkah symbolizes the transition from being oppressed people in the empire, into people organized as a smallish kingdom just next to it. Thus, Hanukkah has the military and nationalistic dimensions that Passover lacks. Hannukah is the Jewish Imperial Feast. Purim, the festival derived from the events described in the Book of Esther, is not only imperial in nature but genocidal in its intentions.

Porat Yosef Yeshiva, Old City, Jerusalem

Porat Yosef Yeshiva, Old City, Jerusalem
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According to the Book of Esther, Haman, royal vizier to King Ahasuerus, planned to kill the Jews. Following an intricate string of events, his plans were thwarted by Mordecai and Queen Esther. Afterwards, the Jews killed not only their would-be executioners, but also their wives, children and relatives. Altogether, 800 were killed in Susa—the capital city—alone, and 75,000 in the rest of the empire. The following day was declared feast, the genocidal Purim we still can see being celebrated today.

There is no way of justifying these killings. This is not self-defence, but violence in the name of violence; brutal vengeance for something that did not happen. One of my readers told me once that it is as if Germany celebrated the Holocaust.

There is another testimony of ungodly behavior in the book; its heroine is evil. Abraham Kuyper analyses in Women of the Old Testament that Esther did not agree to take Vashti’s place, that she refrained from saving her nation until her own life was threatened, and that she carried out bloodthirsty vengeance. The last is the Sign of the Beast, not of a godly hero.

Then, there are heavy signs of pagan influences in the book; Esther is derived from Ishtar—also known as Ashtoret—the Fertility Goddess in the ancient Middle East. The Book of Daniel provides accounts of Jews in exile being assigned names relating to Babylonian gods and “Mordecai” is understood to mean servant of Marduk, a Babylonian god. The more you look into this book, the least resemblance it bears to other books in the Bible.

Gustave Doré Morte Agag

Gustave Doré—Morte Agag

From Esther to Amalek

The book has been expanded by rabbis and transformed into a manifest of Jewish ideology. “Agagite” is used in the Book of Esther to describe Haman. This means that he was from the Persian town of Agag. Yet, the Jewish literature explains that he was descendant of King Agag of the Amalekites. For rabbis and their followers, the Amalekites are symbolic of the Judaism antithesis. Moreover, of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) followed by Orthodox Jews, three refer to the Amalek: to remember what the Amalekites did to Jews, not to forget what the Amalekites did to Jews, and to destroy the Amalekites utterly. The rabbis derived these from Deuteronomy 25:17-18, Exodus 17:14 and 1 Sam. 15:3. Rabbis, what about making peace utterly? Do you ever think of that?

Along time, Purim became a celebration of violence. When Haman’s name is read out in the synagogue, which occurs 54 times, the congregation engages in noisemaking to blot out his name. The practice can be traced back to the Tosafists (French and German rabbis of the 13th century). This is in accordance with a passage in the Midrash, where the verse “Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek” (Deuteronomy 25:19) is explained. Then, a custom developed of writing the name of Haman, the offspring of Amalek, on two smooth stones, and knocking them together until the name was blotted out. Some wrote the name of Haman on the soles of their shoes, and at the mention of the name stamped with their feet as a sign of contempt. This list goes on and on.

In the same way, rabbis upgraded the Bible with the Book of Esther, they upgraded the abovementioned mitzvot with seven rabbinical mitzvot. Two of them are related to today’s topic, namely to light the Hanukkah lights (in other words to celebrate this non-Biblical feast) and to read the Scroll of Esther on Purim (in other words to celebrate this non-Biblical horror).

Unhappy with the word of God, rabbis added a few things that reversed it, creating a Cult of Empire and Violence. In this unreligious realm, Amalek symbolizes all evil. Many rabbinical insults are related to the People of Amalek.

Annihilation of Amalek

The Amalekites were nomads who attacked the Hebrews at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8-10), Sinai, during the exodus from Egypt. Since that moment, they were marked for destruction. Later, King Saul and his army destroyed most of them, but were condemned by Prophet Samuel for sparing a few and their livestock (1 Samuel 15:8-9). Saul also hesitated to kill Amalekite King Agag; thus Samuel executed Agag himself (1 Samuel 15:33). Before killing him, Samuel said: “As the sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women.”

The name Amalek became a synonym of an enemy deserving destruction. Other names related to the affair also serve the same target. “Hormah”—a place related to Amalekites and Canaanites—is used to describe an annihilation war.

Hassidic rabbis (Baal Shem Tov and followers) claim that Amalekite represents atheism, the rejection of God. Other victims of this unwilling baptism were Armenians, Nazis and Palestinians, who are often referred to as Amalekites. Why Armenians? Because they were the first nation to accept Christianity.

The most famous reference to Amalekites in Israel was by President Itzhak Ben-Zvi. Adolf Eichmann’s wife pled for clemency after he was kidnapped by Israel and sentenced to death. “As your sword bereaved women, so will your mother be bereaved among women,” the savage answered in handwriting.

In February 1980, Rabbi Yisrael Hess, campus rabbi of Bar-Ilan University, wrote in the university’s student paper an article entitled “The Genocide Commandment in the Torah.” He claimed, “the day is not far when we shall be called to this holy war, to this commandment of the annihilation of Amalek,” this was understood as a reference to Palestinians because he developed ideas presented in 1974 by Rabbi Moshe Ben-Tzion Ishbezari, who had equalled Palestinians with Amalekites. The event caused some noise in the media, but he was not arrested. Had a Palestinian made a parallel declaration, he would have been hanged as Eichmann was.

Annihilation of Israel

Today’s event was so earth-shattering that Settler Channel 7 published it a few minutes after midnight. It came as an answer to the new Conscription Law, which is now in advanced stages of legislation by Israel.

The law is supported by Netanyahu’s coalition, which includes the Religious Zionist** “The Jewish Home” party as a key partner. The law attempts to recruit Ultra-Orthodox Jews+ to the army.++

Ultra-Orthodox Jews are out of the current coalition and can do little but protests. Israel is not a democracy, but a Coalitional-Dictatorship. Human rights are not respected by the State.

The event reported here was cataclysmic not only due to its incredible message, but mainly due to its source. Shas is the main ultra-Orthodox party (Ultra-Orthodox Judaism Declares War on Netanyahu). It is led by Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef,& who gives a weekly sermon. This Saturday, the sermon was given by a guest, Rabbi Shalom Cohen, head of the Yosef Porat Yeshiva (Jewish College), and member of Shas Council of Sages, the party’s leading body.

The Yeshiva he leads is in the Old City of Jerusalem, predates the State and is considered a central one. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is one of its most notable graduates. In other words, the message came out of the heart of the ultra-orthodoxy. It is the parallel of a formal government decision.

He said: “It is written that God is at war with Amalek. There is no a full chair&& while Amalek exists…as long as handwoven skullcaps (symbol of Religious Zionists) exist, the chair is not full. They are Amalek. When is the chair full? At the moment that there would be no handwoven skullcaps.”

It is not just a request to the Religious Zionists to give up the Zionist part of their identity. By calling them Amalek, he is allowing their execution as it was done with Eichmann.

Rabbinical Judaism ignores half the Bible. It modified the first part so that it would be comfy, allowing topics like the abovementioned “The Genocide Commandment in the Torah” to be “kosher.” This is not religion, but the implementation of secularist violence. God doesn’t teach violence; God doesn’t preach for State violence against His creation. Yet, let me congratulate Rabbinical Judaism, in its partial interpretation of the Word, they are bringing an end to their savagery, replacing “Amalek” with “Israel.” Go ahead!

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full version at http://roitov.com/articles/amalek.htm

* Three Hebrew horror statements that cannot be fully translated into English and are not directly related to this article are: “shumu shamayim,” “gzerot shemed,” and “yizaharu mivnei ha’avla,” which roughly mean ‘heavens’ destruction,’ ‘annihilation decrees,’ and ‘beware of the unrighteous.’ Rambo wouldn’t shiver.

** Jewish redemption is far from the Spiritual Redemption professed by Christians. Jews expect a physical redemption based on a Godly Kingdom in the Land of Israel. All the religious interpretations until the 19th Century didn’t leave any place to a Zionist party rushing to conquer Arab lands. That was the role of a future Messiah. Thus, any cooperation between Zionists and Orthodox Jews was impossible.
Then a Maoist-styled Giant Leap Forward took place and things changed. Traditionally, the Jewish Orthodoxy believed that the abovementioned redemption would arrive in two stages. The early stage is called “Messiah Son of Joseph,” and would include the physical stages of bringing the Jewish people together; this stage is symbolized by a bull. The second stage is the “Messiah Son of David,” when a spiritual Messiah would restore the Kingdom of God. This stage is symbolized by a donkey; Christian readers would immediately recognize Jesus triumphal entry to Jerusalem riding one (John 12:12-16). In the 19th Century, Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, was one of the Orthodox Jews who created the base for cooperation between Zionists and Pharisees.
What he did was simple, and is known as “Hamoro shel Mashiah” (“Messiah’s Donkey” in Hebrew, a book by this name was published in 1998). He claimed the secular Jews (i.e. Zionists) can take the place of “Messiah Son of Joseph” as a collective entity, creating the base that would allow the Pharisees – the Orthodox Jews – to produce the “Messiah Son of David” in the new and secular state. It worked. The political alliance produced a state accepted by most Jews. Neturei Karta is one of the few Jewish groups that do not accept this unholy contraption. Another result is what outside Israel is known as Religious Zionist Movement, and in Israel it is generalized as “kippot srugot,” the “hand-woven kippas,” after the distinctively hand-woven headcovers used by its men in contrast to the black ones favored by ultra-orthodox men. They even have separate education institutions. “Yeshivat Hesder” is a generic name for religious colleges that combine Talmudic studies with military service in the army; they belong to the Nationalistic Religious framework. This, while most religious Jews are exempted from military service; this was one of the main topics leading to the 2013 early elections.

+ Ultra-Orthodox Judaism is divided into two main groups. For unknown reasons, both Haredim and Hasidim favor clothes that were fashionable in the 17th Century Eastern Europe. Even their Mizrahi and Sephardic members dress in such a way. Not only does that make little sense in the hot summers of the Holy Land, but it also makes differentiating between these two groups a Herculean task (please forgive my Greek digression). Yet, they differ in their interpretation of Judaism more than Catholic and Evangelic groups do in Christianity.
“Haredim” owe their name to Prophet Isaiah: “Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word” (Isaiah 66:5). The Hebrew word “harada” means “fearful,” “anxious.” Thus Haredim are those who fear the word of God and thus are the more legalistic followers of the Jewish religion. Yet, they do not base themselves on the Bible for their observance of the law, but mainly on interpretations appearing in the Talmud and related literature. They are also known as Ultra-Orthodox Jews. Within this large group, there is an important subdivision. There are “Haredim” and “Lithuanian Haredim,” the last belong to groups linked to the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
“Hasidim” owe their name to the Hebrew word “hesed,” which means “kindness,” or “charity.” They separated from the Haredim in the 18th Century, when Rabbi Israel Baal Shem Tov began preaching for a less legalistic interpretation of the Pentateuch, for a Judaism based on spirituality and joy. Instead, he created a branch that is characterized by the veneration of leadership as intercessors of God. In the past, some Haredim defined them as a sect. The ultra-mystical Kabbalist Jews may be found in Hasidic and Haredi-bound yeshivot (colleges).

++ Jewish Orthodoxy and the Army. On August 22, 1999, the then Prime Minister and Defense Minister Ehud Barak appointed the Tal Committee, which dealt with the special exemption from mandatory military service in the IDF given to ultra-Orthodox Jews (Haredim and Hasidim). It was headed by retired Justice Tzvi Tal; thus it was named after him. On July 23, 2002, the Tal Law, based on the committee results, was passed in the Knesset. It enabled the continuation of the IDF service-exempt given to yeshiva members (“yeshiva” means “sitting” in Hebrew; it is the name of Jewish religious colleges). At the age of 22, yeshiva members would receive a year of decision in which they would need to choose to continue their studies or to go to work. Those who choose to go out of the yeshiva and work would need to choose between a minimalist army service of four months, and then reserve duties according to the army’s needs, or a civilian service of one year. The service would be done in special IDF units organized according to religious needs, like Nahal Battalion 97 (the IDF has several ethnic units, see Explosion in Sinai).
Secular Jews opposed the law, claiming that it discriminated against them by being forcing them (by default because they don’t get a similar exemption) to serve at least three years in the IDF. Yet, using half-hidden laws, secular Jews can also get service exemptions. In 2005, the State admitted in a response to a Supreme Court bagatz petition, that the Tal Law had failed to change enlistment practices of Orthodox Jews. Back then, only a few dozen ultra-Orthodox Jews enlisted in the army as a result of the law; by the beginning of 2012, the number was still below 900. In 1974, only 2.4% of high school graduates about to enrol in the IDF were exempt because they were yeshiva members. In 1999, they were 9.2%; it was 15% in 2012. These numbers are a clear sign of a very benevolent discrimination by the State of Israel towards Haredim and Hasidim. Yet, the same secular Jews who petitioned the High Court on their own behalf do not oppose other types of discrimination enforced by the IDF towards other minorities.
On February 21, 2012, the Supreme Court of Israel annulled the “Tal Law,” with a majority of 6 justices against 3. Dorit Beinisch, then President of the Court supported the decision: “we can help to bring a gradual change,” she said. Asher Dan Grunis, who later replaced her, opposed the decision. He said that the thought the court would bring Haredim to serve in the IDF is “an illusion.” “It doesn’t help the status of the court, we won’t bring change,” he added. In August, the law expired and became one of the main reasons that forced Netanyahu to call for early elections. The main argument of the Orthodox leaders is that they care about their youth, who want nothing but to study Torah. In the West, politicians are expected “to lead” their people. It is never clear what that means. “Lead” to where? “Lead” to what? Don’t expect practical answers in their speeches; don’t expect to find any practical way of measuring their performance. Their system is defined to facilitate lies. In contrast, Asian leaders are expected “to take care” of their electorate. There is no clearer evidence that Christianity is an Asian religion, it couldn’t have appeared anywhere else; Jesus is portrayed in the Bible as the Good Shepherd who takes care of the people. Jewish Orthodoxy behaves to some extent in this fashion while Jewish secularism is busy “leading the people” to perdition. This behavior wrongly sounds manipulative to the secular crowd.
However, this is not the entire picture. An important part of the religious Jews is made up by the abovementioned Religious-Zionists, who go to the army as seculars do. For the sake of American readers, I must emphasize that all of them practice Orthodox Judaism; Reform and Conservative Jews are not part of this. Following the elections, Naftali Bennet, their leader, is in a tough situation. He has a long history with Netanyahu; it began with love and ended with hatred and a wild attack on him by Netanyahu in the last days of the campaign. Contacts, between Bennet and Lapid in an attempt to form an alliance against Netanyahu were announced publicly. Yet, this is not something Bennett can sell to his electorate. The Bible is above the secular state, allying a heretic “rabbit eater” is absolutely non-kosher. On the same day, leading rabbis belonging to Religious-Zionism caused a major earthquake, signalling a realignment of Israeli politics. The donkey of the Messiah is about to be dismissed.

& Yosef holds a Halakhically ambivalent view towards Zionism, considering it “Atchalta D’Geula” (“Redemption’s Beginning” in Aramaic). In 2010, Rabbi Yosef and Shas’ “Moetzet Chachamei HaTorah” (Council of Torah-Sages) approved the party’s membership in the World Zionist Organization, transforming it into the first Zionist-Haredi party in Israel. Yet, that’s only due to political interests. In an interview, Yosef said, “What is a Zionist? By our understanding, a Zionist is a person who loves Zion and practices the commandment of settling the land. Whenever I am overseas, I encourage Aliyah [immigration to Israel]. In what way are they more Zionist than us?”

&& Ultra-Orthodox Jews consider a chair as symbol of government, in this case a Theocratic rule. “Full chair” (kise shalem) symbolizes a complete rule, without dissidents.

 

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  1. mevashir  July 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    We learned back in my yeshiva days that Esther omits the name of God because it was written under the nose of the Persian government and had to be cautious not to offend them or make them feel they were hapless tools of Yahweh. That seems reasonable enough.

    That Esther was reluctant to risk almost certain death seems understandable enough. Had she approached the king uninvited it was not only certain she would be killed but no reprieve would come to the Jews of Persia either. Perhaps their fate would have been worsened. (Roy Tov certainly has gone to extreme measures to protect his own life by fleeing all around the world, so his cheap accusation against Esther really shocks me.)

    I know a devout Persian Muslim who served as an officer in the Shah’s air force, and he tells me that Eshter is considered one of Persia’s greatest queens, and her Jewishness is fondly affirmed in Iranian history books.

    Roy condemns the Jewish genocide of the Hamanites. Very strange, considering they were preparing to genocide the Jews. Surely people have a right to self-defense. Even the greatest Christian saints have affirmed their nations’ right to self defense, which became a major factor in the Crusades. It is known that in Orthodox nations the soldiers carry iconic pictures of Christ into battle with them. Will Roy attack and mock this practice as well?

    What kind of bible believing Christian is Roy Tov when he defames the veracity of so many biblical texts? Some scholars believe that Esther’s war against the Hamanites was the fufillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy about the war of Gog and Magog, which appear to allude to Haman’s name Agagite. The valley of the multitudes of Gog mentioned in Ezekiel (Gay Hamon Gog) is an exact gematria equivalent to Haman the Agagite. So Roy’s delicate revulsion at this book not only demeans Esther but also Ezekiel. Maybe Roy just hates all the people in the OT who weren’t martyrs?

    He also casts doubt on the validity of the bible’s villification of Amalek. In this he now attacks the prophetic office of Moses who authored those commands not to forget Amalek and to obliterate his legacy. Let’s see: Roy is now challenging Moses, Ezekiel, Samuel, Saul, David (who repeatedly battled Amalekites), Esther, and on. Maybe Roy is a Hitlerite who supposedly wanted only to print the New Testament and omit the Old entirely from Third Reich bibles, a view that earned him the fierce rebuke of then Pope Pius XI who died suspiciously just before the outbreak of WWII.

    There are times when God uses human hands to obliterate the enemies of mankind. Roy had better just deal with it, or check himself into a mental ward or a drunken stupor if it upsets him so much.

    As for the speech at Porat Yosef, this is all a Zionist food fight. During the many years I lived in Israel, the charedim always were happy to crawl under the protective umbrella of the IDF. Their refusal to be conscripted has nothing to do with moral opposition to Zionism per se but rather reflects their snobbish and effete desire to remain cloistered inside the talmudic study halls. If the Zionists will leave the charedim alone, they will dedicate all their prayers and studies to the success of future battles against Israel’s enemies, real or perceived.

    • Roi Tov  July 15, 2013 at 7:05 am

      Why when unable to answer properly they always take out the “self-hating” argument?
      Gematria is another rabbinical manipulation tool, and a pagan one. No meaning at all. Then, at least check out the fact that it is never appliedd to foreign words and names because there is no single way of transliterating them into Hebrew.
      Then, read me more carefully. You are turning around everything I write. Fact is that rabbinical Judaism systematically changed the text, see links below. We can trust the New testament because it was never under rabbinical control.
      Don’t they see that ad hominem (on the person instead than on the argument) attacks just reflect on their users? Answer my arguments, don’t attack me.

      +

    • mevashir  July 15, 2013 at 8:33 am

      Roy,

      I did not say you are self hating. Rather that you hate vital OT texts that conflict with your own world view.

      The Christian nations are just as warlike as the Zionists when they get their backs up against the wall.

      You dream of a reality that exists only outside this fallen sphere. You impose standards on Jews that you do not impose on Christians. This is the same problem with Mordechai Vanunu, by the way. I once met him in Jerusalem and proposed that we do street evangelism together. I suggested that Israel might well choose to deport him were he to engage in that controversial action.

      But Vanunu wasn’t interested. He just wants to throw rocks at the Israeli “monster” and pretend that there is a more morally developed society elsewhere.

    • mevashir  July 15, 2013 at 8:57 am

      I dont know what your evidence is for “text tampering.” Couldn’t gays and lesbians make the same claim about the relevant texts in the Pentateuch that condemn them? Where does this process of textual revisionism end? Ayn ledavar sof, nachon?

      I think Christians should celebrate Purim. In fact in a sense they do with their Mardis Gras tradition. Unfortunately Fat Tuesday has become utterly paganized devoid of any spiritual content except as a binge lead in to the limitations of the Lenten fasting season.

      Purim falls out during Lent, so perhaps Christians cannot partake of its revelry. But it has enormous importance for Christians, since Jesus’ ancestors returned from the Persian exile, and if this return of Ezra and Nehemia happened after the Purim story (according to the rabbinical chronology) then Haman’s plan would have annihilated Jesus’ ancestral seed line.

      Something to think about and to thank God for intervening to foil the plot.

    • leecahalan  July 16, 2013 at 12:01 am

      I think we need to remember that Israel is only the size of the state of Maryland. That the Occupied Territories barely as big as MD’s neighbor’s Delaware. Excessive emphasis on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is not sane. When we rail on and on forever about the wicked Zionists we ignore the reality of the entire African continent. This misdirected attack on Israel create a smokescreen hiding the reality of mass famine, AIDS and bloody genocide. To name but a few overwhelming problems just on one land mass. This all before we speak of children in bondage and sexual slavery in hellholes like Thailand. Or living in garbage dumps like in the Philippines.

      The Payatas people who live in these wretched conditions do not launch rockets at the rest of the Philippines such as the Palestinians do to the Israelis and their condition is far more impoverished.

      I’m beginning to look at writers who concentrate exclusively on the Zionists as being in the same category as arms profiteers: The exacerbate the existing conflict and yet profit from the struggle.

      Had I been a Palestinian I would have left that country thirty years ago. There is nothing there worth saving. No religious dogma would be worth my time enduring living in such a miserable place to begin with. We all ought to just pitch in and BUY the Palestinian people a much nicer place to live.

      The idea of fanning the flames of the Israeli/Palestinian to sell stories and books is not sane.

    • rac  July 15, 2013 at 8:37 am

      (“Roy condemns the Jewish genocide of the Hamanites. Very strange, considering they were preparing to genocide the Jews. Surely people have a right to self-defense. Even the greatest Christian saints have affirmed their nations’ right to self defense, which became a major factor in the Crusades. It is known that in Orthodox nations the soldiers carry iconic pictures of Christ into battle with them. Will Roy attack and mock this practice as well?”)

      Genocide =/= Self Defense

      (“There are times when God uses human hands to obliterate the enemies of mankind”)
      Woa dude.
      It is hard to see how thousands of babies are “the enemies of mankind”, so I sympathize with Roy’s critical approach to these chapters in light of the merciful attitudes of the New Testament.

      Peace.

  2. willard206  July 14, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    suggest everyone visit truetorahjews.org and get a history lesson. peace

  3. judgment  July 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I have searched for a pre Bible pre Covenant history of the Hebrew People but could not find it. Your article is the best I have read. Do you have a book or planning one regarding the origin of the Hebrew people?
    A book not dependent on the Bible Jewish of Christian. Your article is fascinating, such complicated people.
    Thank you

    • Roi Tov  July 15, 2013 at 6:58 am

      thank you, see the answer below for relevant articles in my site. early ones, yet, the facts…

  4. rac  July 14, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Roy,

    The book of Esther is one of the most challenging in terms of whether we can accept it.

    The fact that Esther is in the Septuagint and included in the Church canon shows that it was in major circulation among the first Christians. Early church figures like Jerome and Chrysostom approve of it.

    One problem is that the NT does not mention the Book of Esther. However, Esther is not the only book not mentioned.

    Another problem is that Esther is unusual in failing to mention God (Song of Solomon does too). One explanation is that this reflects that God is hidden in events. For example, Mordechai says to Esther: “Who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this” (Esther 4:14). However, this issue brings up another issue you point to. It’s true that God is unmentioned in the Hebrew-language version of Esther passed down in the Masoretic texts and taken from them to be used in Protestant Bibles. However, the Greek Septuagint cited often in the New Testament and used in the Orthodox Church (ie. the biggest church among Palestinians) has a longer version of the book of Esther that includes mentions of God and prayers by Esther and Mordechai. Since the Greek Septuagint was a 4th century BC translation of the Bible, you can ask then why the Masoretic version of Esther doesn’t include those parts.

    The biggest problem with the book is the one you focused on, Roy – that it describes genocide of the enemies. However, it seems to me that Esther’s breaking of the Mosaic Law (Deut 7.3-4) by marrying the King suggests that the reader need not actually agree wholesale with other bad actions taken by the Jewish community in the story. What do you think?

    • Roi Tov  July 15, 2013 at 6:52 am

      the Septuagint was a translation from a problematic source, please take a look at

      Rabbinical Fake: 6000 Differences

      http://www.roitov.com/articles/bible3.htm

      Jewish Manipulations of the Bible

      http://www.roitov.com/articles/bible.htm

      On the Eighth Day God Ended His Work

      http://www.roitov.com/articles/bible2.htm

    • rac  July 15, 2013 at 8:31 am

      I read the articles, but am not sure how they show the LXX is bad. It says you can’t trust the Talmud, and the Talmud approves the LXX. But on the other hand, you also noted that the first Christians quoted the LXX when writing the New Testament, which is reliable.

    • wiggins  July 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm

      Esther and Mordechai fooled the Persian King as to them being Jews. Then the slut Esther got the drunken King to grant her a wish on the pretext that Haman had tried to rape her which led to the wholesale slaughter of Hamans people….. They celebrate this lie as Purim…..scum of the earth.

  5. lawrencedickerson  July 14, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Ask any Ashkenazi and they will throw a tantrum at anybody who dares to think that they are not the:

    “real deal,
    tried and tested,
    coin of the realm,
    honest johns
    real McCoys,
    regal beagle,
    genuine article,
    honest-to-god,

    So in spite of what any other statement says they are all Jews. even though the latest John Hopkin’s genetic results speaks differently.

  6. Excalibur  July 14, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    More stories from the REAL inventors of genocide and holocaust. Funny how just about every community in history has at some point reached a point of exasperation with the chosen people – where they have considered their only solution to be either total banishment or complete elimination of that entire people. Can all of these ‘persecutors’ down through history simply be unreasonable people picking on the jews? Or were they all pushed to breaking point by the aggressive, arrogant, ruthless and manipulative actions of jews themselves?

    The neighbours from hell – quite literally – that see all around them as the enemy and who simply will not STOP working diligently against their fellow man. What is to be done with these people – whom our forefathers evidently considered so dangerous as to want them completely removed from society?

    There is a precedent in law where dangerous sects can be banned. I believe that all creeds that consider themselves to be a ‘Religion’ need to be re-assessed. A religion should have certain characteristics : Love of God and love of fellow man. Equally it should NOT contain any supremacist teaching; hatred of non-believers – or incitement to violence. It CAN contain taboos or teach wholesome codes of conduct.

    Any creed that did not live up to the ‘religion test’ should be relegated to a ‘Sect’ or a ‘Cult’. The ones with dangerous and murderous beliefs can then be outlawed altogether in the public interest.

  7. shachalnur  July 14, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Sorry Roytov,you totally missed the importance of this speech by Rabbi Shalom Cohen with Ovadia Josef sitting next to him.

    This has to be seen in a much bigger context.

    First,the conscription of Ultra -Orthodox Jews into the Army was always a red herring.

    The three attacks by Haredim on other Haredi soldiers in one week are just an indication of things to come ,if they go ahead.

    Orthodox Judaism has identified Zionists as Amalek since 1897,and the fact they finally say it openly ,indicates we’re moving into the decisive stages of the Endgame for Israel.

    Orthodox Judaism has predicted for over a hundred years that Zionism will cause the biggest disaster for Judaism in history.

    Now to the present: Read Yuval Diskin ,yesterday in Jerusalem Post,on time running out for a solution.

    Nethanyahu and the Haridim are still working together,and Shin Bet is in as well.

    Israel is under a dictatorship right now,Nethanyahu being the sole ruler ,the one that made(hidden) deals with Russia, Iran and the PA,and his coalition can not harm him,nor can Danon,Feiglin,Bennet or Lapid.

    Shin Bet will take care of that,and Orthodox Jews inside and outside Israel support this strategy.

    Rabbi Shalom Cohen effectively attacked Bennet and the settlers on political grounds,not religious,calling them out as the backstabbers of Judaism.

    Nothing has changed since 1897,it has just come full circle.

    Rothschild/US are on the verge of blowing up the Middle East ,including Israel.

    The ones inside Israel that willingly support this strategy are being taken out ,by threatening civil war,that’s all.

    • shachalnur  July 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      By the way,visit Israpundit .com once in a while.

      This is an ultra-Zionist Ashkenazi “hate everybody” site ,and read about how they see Nethanyahu as an Anti-Zionist traitor that will hand Israel over to the Palestinians.

    • mommyplayer  July 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm

      So you are saying that Netanyahu wants to abide by Chinas request to limit settlements? Or the opposite? I remember the news reports a month ago that Israel announced(?netanyahu) that wanted to limit settlements and two days later the media announced it was a mistaken misunderstanding, and nixed it. But then your statement above that ‘the one that made hidden deals cannot harm him’ suggests that Netanyahu isnt the BRICS collaborator. I am confused who is doing what behind the scenes, though i see evidence of two agendas.

    • mommyplayer  July 14, 2013 at 7:07 pm

      Or did you mean that the Rothschild US cabal cannot harm Netanyahu. Can you reword that section in your commment about “Nethanyahu being the sole ruler ,the one that made(hidden) deals with Russia, Iran and the PA,and his coalition can not harm him”

    • shachalnur  July 14, 2013 at 7:21 pm

      See what you mean,

      Nethanyahu is the one that makes all the deals,he is PM and FM right now.

      Shin Bet and Ultra Orthodox are covering him,Lapid or anybody inside his party trying bring him down will go down before.

      The Ultra Ortodox will corner the settlers and Bennet.

      The building of new houses outside the “Big Blocks” has been stopped,like China demanded.

      But even that is for public consumption.

      After 2 month of former Mossad chiefs and Debka calling Nethanyahu an incompetent idiot who should blow up Syria and Iran,now former Shin Bet chiefs talk.

      Read the article I mentioned in my post above.(Yuval diskin -former Shin Bet chief.)

      Things will speed up now,so keep both your agenda’s open,it’ll help you if the most popular agenda on VT turns out to be wrong.

    • mommyplayer  July 14, 2013 at 8:01 pm

      See “news” on sometimes questionable site Press TV that Israel via Netanyahu plans to attack Iran alone. It doesnt fit with what seems to really be going on. Press TV is reporting it like real.

    • mommyplayer  July 14, 2013 at 8:45 pm

      Found article seems it is Dec 2012. Title: “What worries Diskin is that Israel is falling apart” *http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/What-worries-Diskin-is-that-Israel-is-falling-apart

    • shachalnur  July 14, 2013 at 10:22 pm

      Jerusalem Post 14 june 2013

      “Diskin: Israel nears point of no return on two state solution”

      Presstv is a political tool for Iran ,lot’s of good writers from US and Europe,several VT writers as well.

      You won’t find any anti-Jewish stuff there written by the editors,just anti-Zionist.

      For a country “on the verge of war with Israel”,PressTV stays cool,probably with good reason.

      Mis-and disinformation is rampant now ,so are anonymous sources and most op-ed’s are spin .

      Israel seems to be preparing for some kind of trouble in the short term,but it’s not Iran ,Hezbollah or Assad.

      Like I’ve been saying for 10 months now,expect fireworks in US/Europe,not the Middle East.

      Cause if they manage to blow up the Middle East,everything will go up in flames.

      I feel BRICS + Israel are trying to restrict the fight against TPTB to US/Europe territory.

      I’m almost sure Snowden is a formidable weapon,he will leak when it’s convenient or when a certain move by US/Europe has to be stopped.

      If anything blows up in the ME it will be a Rothschild false flag in Damascus or Jerusalem

    • shachalnur  July 14, 2013 at 10:44 pm

      Article was yesterday 14 July.

      Brain damage,need a neurologist.

    • mommyplayer  July 14, 2013 at 11:27 pm

      I am said neurologist. Didnt help though.

  8. brubank-guy  July 14, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    This article raises the biggest problem with the Bible in general … the fact that it repeatedly paints a picture of God commanding cruel genocidal extermination of women, children, animals and entire national peoples … This is perhaps the best argument that the Abrahamic religions are not true, or at the very least, that the Bible is certainly not the ‘Word of God’.

    The beauty of the Abrahamic religions is the picture of a caring God who is really a Person and Personality … but the Bible pictures God with what is at moments a truly horrible, evil personhood. By contrast, the scriptures of Buddhism seem much gentler (as far as I know of them) … and indeed Buddhist cultures led the way as cultures which, in past millenia, were able to abandon the death penalty and cruel physical punishments … tho they were followed by ancient Jewish rabbis, who long ago created the doctrine that any Jewish judge imposing the death penalty might be condemned as a ‘murderous judge’. Tariq Ramadan now espouses a similar view among Muslim theologians, asking for all Muslim nations to cease usage of the death penalty and all physical penalties (flogging, amputations) … on the grounds that conditions for just application of such penalties do not exist.

    The Israeli hanging of Eichmann was, according to two great Jewish thinkers – Martin Buber and philosopher Max Horkheimer – a tragic betrayal of the Jewish tradition. Horkheimer has a nice short article on Eichmann in his book ‘Critique of Instrumental Reason’, where he pointed out that for a 1940s survivor to shoot Eichmann down in the street would be human and understandable … but the notion of an Israeli ‘trial’ on behalf of ‘all Jews’ was rather like the very witch hunts that had persecuted Jews. Not to mention that hanging is barbaric (always slow strangulation, even if a coma is mercifully induced by breaking the neck).

    • kattmanduu  July 15, 2013 at 3:50 am

      Well guy I tend to agree with you about these false religions. I have done some study over the last 20 years or so of all of mans religions. Coming from a family of mixed religions I was educated early on about the christian belief systems. I took a brief semester of religious study at Oxford University in 1977 and I found that they were just cults, as is the other beliefs out of the middle east. I find that most are just a modification of the beliefs written about in the ancient Sumerian tablets and texts found in Iraq said to be about 25,000 years old.
      I have read the Buddhist texts and also the Hindu writings as well and find them both very interesting. I tend to agree with you about how peaceful the Buddhists are and find most that I have encountered to be as such. The Hindu texts are somewhat more realistic about mans encounters with alien beings, they tell about great battles being fought in the skies between these different alien beings. Almost like descriptions of alien encounters right out of the bible, the chariots of fire and the great wheels in the sky. About aliens breeding with the earthlings etc. Just describing what they saw and comparing it to the technology of the day.
      I find that most religions we see today are the work of man, not any deity. They ensure that a man will always rule over other men. They promote violence and genocide on massive scales, always have one group hating and or fearing another. I look at it as a means or a tool for the tribal leaders of man of the many tribes on earth over the last 30,000 years or more ago to maintain control or their job security. Not much has actually changed has it? We are still told by the leaders to hate or fear another group because they are bad or evil and of another belief or race/tribe and that makes them twice as bad.
      I am sort of a Deist. I do think that forces or entities from another world put us here for a reason that we don’t quite comprehend yet, one way or another, and they come back every now and then to check up on us, thus all the many UFO sightings and the many said to be alien encounters or abductions that have been documented over the last 25,000 plus years.
      I think that these aliens find that the other animals on this planet are more sociable and peaceful than the human animals, that is why we humans have such limited contact with them. Heck we try to shoot them down with fighter planes and missiles when they do show up in public. Is that a very peaceful way to greet visitors from afar?

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