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VFP convention shocker! Overflow crowd seeks 9/11 truth

911truth4peace“Mainstream peace groups are wary of 9/11 truth.”

by Kevin Barrett

 

That’s the conventional wisdom, anyway. But an enthusiastic crowd of truth-seekers at the Veterans for Peace national convention in Madison, Wisconsin begs to differ.

A standing-room-only crowd turned out at 8:30 a.m. today to listen to 9/11 whistleblower Kevin Ryan and activist Klayt Morfoot cast aspersions on the official version of 9/11. Ryan, who was fired by Underwriters Labs for exposing UL’s lies about the steel used in the World Trade Center skyscrapers, recently published Another 19, which argues that the 9/11 Commission may have blamed the wrong nineteen guys. Morfoot, a veteran who has served repeatedly in Iraq and Afghanistan, has sparked controversy at the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire by starting a student 9/11 truth group.

Klayt Morfoot, veteran and Eau Claire WI 9/11 truth activist & me at the VFP Convention

Klayt Morfoot, veteran and Eau Claire WI 9/11 truth activist & me at the VFP Convention

Ryan and Mofoot teamed up on a terrific “9/11 truth for newbies” presentation. Beginning with a clip of heartbroken and angry victims’ family members from 9/11: Press for Truth, they covered the obvious demolition of Building 7, the only slightly less-obvious demolitions of the Twin Towers, and Norman Mineta’s famous testimony to the 9/11 Commission that Dick Cheney ordered a stand-down and that those orders “still stand.”

The jam-packed room that greeted Ryan and Morfoot – at an ungodly hour no less – testified eloquently that the 9/11 issue isn’t going away – as much as the foundations that fund the mainstream left wish it would.

After the talk, I traded Kevin Ryan two thin books (my Questioning the War on Terror and Sander Hicks’ The Big Wedding) for one thick one (his).

So I haven’t had time to read all of Ryan’s book yet. But I notice that his list of 9/11 suspects – like the airline passenger lists of 9/11 – contains no Arab names.

I do recognize some of the 19 names. One is Richard Clarke, the “terror czar” for the Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations. I helped break the story that Gwenyth Todd, who served beside Clarke on the National Security Council, considers Clarke the likely mastermind of the 9/11 false-flag operation. Clarke, Todd explains, was busted for spying for Israel – but instead of being sent to prison, he was promoted to the National Security Council and later made Terror Czar.

Kevin Ryan agrees that Richard Clarke is a key 9/11 suspect: “Clarke’s personal history suggests that he protected terrorist suspects and may have been in league with a terrorist network” (Another Nineteen, p.87). Ryan traces Clarke’s dubious history (minus the Israeli spy angle) and notes that Clarke personally activated the COG shadow government during 9/11 – and that the same shadow government apparently is still ruling the US today, since that order has never been rescinded. Ryan notes that “in October, 1998, Clarke predicted that America’s enemies ‘will go after our Achilles heel’ which is ‘in Washington. It is in New York.’ That is quite a prediction.”

Ryan notes that Clarke “was personally behind the failure of two attempts to kill or capture Bin Laden in 1999,” and that Clarke preposterously asserts in his book that mentally retarded patsy Abu Zubaydah was “one of al-Qaeda’s top operational managers.”

Ryan meticulously documents Clarke’s involvement in protecting various Arab 9/11 patsies during the run-up to 9/11. Unfortunately, the section on Clarke (the only one I have yet read) focuses so unrelentingly on Arab patsies that a naive reader might imagine that Arabs actually carried out the 9/11 attacks, with a little help from the likes of Clarke. Ryan neglects to mention the massive Israeli connections to Clarke himself – an Israeli spy, according to Gwenyth Todd – as well as to uber-Zionist Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cohen, Bernard Kerik (Ryan ties him to Saudi Arabia, not Israel), Morton Abramowitz, and Marc Grossman.

Ryan’s neglect of Israel’s role running Richard Clarke (and 9/11) is also evidenced in a misleading passage from his Clarke chapter:

“It was reported that, on August 23, 2001, the Israeli Mossad gave U.S. officials an urgent warning in the form of a list of terrorists known to be living in the U.S. and planning to carry out an attack in the near future. The list included the names of Al-Hazmi, Al-Midhar, Al-Shehhi and Atta.”

Ryan’s footnote leads to the following passage from the Complete 9/11 Timeline:

At some point between these dates (Aug. 8-15 2001, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [Fox News, 5/17/2002] Reportedly, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning “a major assault on the United States.” They say indications point to a “large scale target,” and that Americans would be “very vulnerable.” They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [Daily Telegraph, 9/16/2001; Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001] The Los Angeles Times later retracts its story after a CIA spokesperson says, “There was no such warning. Allegations that there was are complete and utter nonsense.” [Los Angeles Times, 9/21/2001] Other newspapers do not retract it.

This is interesting information. The problem is that a reader who has not read Bollyn’s Solving 9/11 might take the “Israeli warning” at face value, rather than as the “cover-our-kosher-ass” propaganda leak it almost certainly was.

In any case, Ryan’s book looks to be an important contribution to published 9/11 research, and I hope to have more to say about it soon. Meanwhile, I’m off to the 9/11 truth caucus here at the VFP Convention, and will update this article later today.

Update: James Yee questions “19 Arabs” myth

James Lee, a real American hero, knows that the "19 hijackers" were not even on the planes.

James Yee, a real American hero, knows that the “19 hijackers” were not even on the planes.

James Yee, the Guantanamo chaplain who converted to Islam and got witch-hunted for his trouble, agrees with Kevin Ryan that there is a problem with the “19 Arabs” version of 9/11.

I just exchanged salaams with Yee, introduced myself as a Muslim 9/11 truth troublemaker, and asked what he thought about 9/11. Yee told me that he knows someone who worked at a high-level air-travel-related job on the morning of 9/11. That person had full access to the passenger lists for all domestic flights. He and a colleague decided to see who was on the “hijacked planes.” They looked at the actual airline passenger lists for all four planes. There was not a single Arab or Muslim name on any of them.

Apologists for the official story of 9/11 – including some who claim to be pro-9/11-truth – have argued that the various “passenger lists” that were provided to the media, and which include no Arab names, were not really passenger lists, but “victim lists,” and that any Arabs or Muslims on those planes would not be victims, so they didn’t make the list.

This argument is absurd. There is no such thing as a “victim list” in the airline business.  There are only passenger lists. And the various lists that were given to the media in the wake of 9/11 were indeed passenger lists – without any Arab or Muslim names. The idea that anyone with an Arab name would be assumed to somehow “not be a victim” and that some imaginary new entity called a “victim list” would be invented on 9/11 is about the most over-the-top example of islamophobic delusion that could be imagined.

We know that nobody with an Arab or Muslim name, including the 19 patsies, was on the planes, because multiple, overlapping, mutually-confirming lines of evidence prove it. (See Elias Davidsson’s memorandum to the UN.)

James Yee’s information that THERE WERE NO MUSLIMS ON THE 9/11 PLANES, PERIOD simply adds confirmation to what we already know from a great many other sources.

So I assume that Kevin Ryan’s title Another Nineteen means “another” as “instead of” rather than “in addition to.” The original, innocent nineteen have suffered more libel and slander than anyone else in world history that I am aware of.

 

 

 

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31 Responses to "VFP convention shocker! Overflow crowd seeks 9/11 truth"

  1. Gary Walker  August 11, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Keep on Truckin Doc. I love it.

    Amen,
    Infidel

  2. Brian  August 10, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Today is the first day I’ve heard about 911 in the Academic Community, apparently their film was shown at the Toronto Film Festival in 2011 here is a link: ****http://911inacademia.com/

    Their Internet location mentions in a August 5, 2013 article the organization has a film coming out this fall but perhaps its the film shown in 2011. Perhaps they’ll have the courage to create a second film titled Israel did 911. I doubt it. I wonder if sayanim have infiltrated the organization.

  3. Brian  August 10, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Today is the first day I’ve heard about 911 in the Academic Community, apparently their film was shown at the Toronto Film Festival in 2011 here is a link: ****http://911inacademia.com/

    The website mentions in a August 5, 2013 article the organization has a film coming out this fall but perhaps its the film shown in 2011. Perhaps they’ll have the courage to create a second film titled Israel did 911. I doubt it.

  4. paschn  August 9, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Sounds plausible to me. Strike something w/ tremendous force and if it can’t expel the kinetic energy 360% it’ll pulverize it via the structure itself, (support columns). I think even more important than pinpointing how it was done, (except for #7 which spontaneously collapsed at free-fall speed from furniture fires, (uh-huh), We need to expose the “who”. “Who” executed it and whom, (within our government), looked the other way w/ thumbs in pockets whistling a happy tune). Think for a moment the million or more innocent victims in various countries in the M.E. who were wiped out by misplaced anger. Think of those born deformed and doomed to die from D.U. munitions. I tend to follow Sabrosky’s line of thought on the matter and hope with all my being that when those in the military discover another USS Liberty has been pulled on us they will take swift and complete action. Not only for ours murdered but all those we murdered, lands destroyed for generations for their “contrived” retaliation on the wrong nasty little nation. Perhaps it will spread and will culminate in the removal of all Central Banks world-wide? One can hope, no?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT1AzrKuEtM

  5. Matthew.Boston  August 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Thanks for staying in the 9-11 fight, Kevin Barrett. To hell with the terrorist state of Israel and the cancer that is Zionism.

  6. Kevin Barrett  August 9, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Have been reading more of Kevin R.’s book. The introductory material is excellent, except for the business about “let’s just accept that there were Muslim hijackers on the planes.” Not sure where he came up with THAT. But so far I’m very impressed overall.

    • Mat H Physics  August 10, 2013 at 8:19 am

      It sounds like Kevin R is “another” Alex Jones, or Jesse Ventura, who want people to continue believing the HOAX that commercial airliners were involved. Seriously, prove to YOURSELF that aluminum can shear structural steel at subsonic speed, and you will soon realize it was nothing more than (jew controlled) Hollywood special effect. Maybe a book is in order circa 90′, “By Way of Deception” Victor Ostrovsky former Mossad agent.
      Bush waited 400 days to start “The commission for terror attacks on the US”, which just goes to show how the so called investigation was directed from the start. Please STOP USING THE MSM COINED PHRASES, this is how people like you help them to control the dialogue.
      You want the truth, Dimitri Khalezov spoke it in 05′, utube ban all his presentations for FIVE YEARS. Research the effects of plutonium, OKC, fusion reactions, and what REALLY happens when an aircraft strikes a sky scarper.

    • alburysmith  August 11, 2013 at 4:12 am

      Kevin Ryan’s as big a liar as you are, Barrett. Now that the Hellerstein court has rejected Larry Silverstein’s lawsuit against American and United Airlines, have you retracted any of the garbage you wrote in your anti-Semitic PressTV hit piece? You blocked my comments there because you don’t have the slightest interest in the truth.
      Maybe you’ll explain here why Swiss Re, Lloyd’s, Zurich Financial, Copenhagen Re, and 8 other major insurers all paid the WTC owner/lessee a total of $4.68 billion if he publicly admitted to insurance fraud as you claimed. Here’s what the man actually said:
      “I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that THEY WERE NOT SURE THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTAIN THE FIRE, and I said, ‘WE’VE HAD SUCH TERRIBLE LOSS OF LIFE, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And THEY [THE FDNY] made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”
      Your pal Ryan added words to it to make it appear that Silverstein made the decision:
      https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/RyanFraud1.jpg
      and you just lie about it.
      If you guys think that W14 X 730 columns can be secretly cut with explosives in Manhattan, let’s see it done on video with audio.

      4.91″ flanges and 3.07″ webs should be a snap for top demo experts like you. Go for it.

  7. Setarcos1  August 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Why no mention of A&E for 911 Truths global campaign, for which we have raised over $200,000 and which will “hit the streets” on Sept 1st … see: http://rethink911.org/alerts/2013/08/07/

  8. gerryhiles  August 9, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    I am saddened that VT refuses to support A&E for 911 Truth and our global campaign, for which we have raised over $200,000 and which starts on Sept 1st, with adverts in London, Sydney, New York and other US cities. But not a mention in VT, aside from this comment of mine and a few I’ve made previously.

  9. Allesandro  August 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Thank You for your courage and work.

    It seems to me that ALL governments from around the world need to help us in whatever way they can to bring this issue to the forefront, continually, until it’s front and center EVERYWHERE. It’s in everybody’s interest globally to get it right, and bring the criminals to justice. The entire world has suffered as a result of the crime of 9/11

    After all it’s these same perpetrators who are now behind using Tactical Nuclear Weapons against Syria, have caused global economic desolation and untold misery. They realize that they are being “Found-Out” , that 9/11 won’t go away and so are trying to ignite WW 3 before the 9/11 Truth Movement Worldwide explodes in popularity. We can’t allow Israel to start WW 3 , just so they don’t have to face the consequences for their planning and execution of 9/11.

    If we get to the ROOT of 9/11 , then many of the other problems will be solved. Let’s get 9/11 front and center with a complete boycott of goods and services from alleged perpetrators.

  10. Preston James, Ph.D  August 9, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Another great article by Dr. Barrett. 100% on target.

  11. danielnoel  August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Indeed this is reassuring. But the background of this article is the failure of the anti-war movement to use 9/11 as a springboard. Most anti-war leaders will peddle numerous reasons to end the Afghan war, but will carefully try to dismiss the one that even pro-war citizens will understand: that the initiation of the Afghan war was a crime against humanity, destined to distract “us the gullible people” from the reality that the chief engineers of the twin towers’ criminal controlled demolition were highly unlikely to set up their offices in an Afghan cave.

    Veterans for Peace have sputtered 9/11 Truth in the past. They did it again. But they show no incentive to center their outreach on it. The most alarming aspect of 9/11 is precisely the apparent self-defeating policy by not only anti-war groups, but just about all groups who oppose the 9/11-induced neoconservative wave (socialists, greens, Muslims, labor unionists, etc.), of sending their supporters on wild goose chases that 9/11 nullifies. If and when 9/11 dissidents formulate this problem properly, they will get closer to 9/11’s resolution…

    Love,

    • alburysmith  August 11, 2013 at 5:23 am

      Here’s a “baby step” for you, Daniel:
      Ask Box Boy and his “experts” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
      If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.

  12. Mark  August 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    I’m on my second pass through Kevin Ryan’s new book and I think what he is pointing out there is that high level US officials were directly involved. So, saying Israel did 9/11 is not completely accurate. Do I think Mossad and Zionist factions were involved…YES I do.

    PS I’m an artist I thought you all might enjoy this 9/11 piece I made called “The Split”: http://www.markdotzler.com/Mark_Dotzler/split.html

  13. Excalibur  August 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    One weakness that I feel hampers the truth movement – is that it seems (deep down) to be waiting for the day when the mass media will throw up its arms and say: “By God – look at the evidence! You boys were right all along – this is terrible …” It almost seems to believe that somewhere in the hearts of editors and news corporation owners is a place where they struggle with themselves and their consciences over right and wrong – truth and lies.

    Well I have got news for you. That day will never happen. It will never happen because the mass media itself is actually PART of the conspiracy and part of the apparatus that the enemy uses to defraud the world of the truth on a day by day basis. Asking that vile enemy to expose and convict ITSELF is not a viable objective. Be rational.

    Be content to spread the truth among yourselves and everyone you know that will listen. Mass media will never report it until that organ of the enemy force is also one day shut down, de-loused – and re-opened in the real national interest.

    • Brian  August 9, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      The Jewish Zionist controlled mass media has still never told the American sheeple Usama bin Laden has never been wanted by the FBI for the 911 attacks.

    • Allesandro  August 9, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      How about a global work stoppage of all but essential services, a solidarity display. Until 9/11 is faced head on, nothing else around the world will be right. What issue could be more unifying, especially with Israel trying to ignite WW 3, so that their role in 9/11 goes out of focus. It needs to stay the focus, no matter what.

      If 250,000,000+ people from around the world take a few days off, it would make a statement, and bring attention that would be tough to conceal. And as the story unfolds, the Central Banks, missing Gold, Bldg 7 and all the rest of the sordid details would start flowing to the masses and become contagious.

    • Martin Maloney  August 9, 2013 at 11:49 pm

      @ Allesandro

      “How about a global work stoppage of all but essential services, a solidarity display…”

      Given the state of the world’s economies, people aren’t gonna take the chance of getting fired.

      “If 250,000,000+ people from around the world take a few days off…”

      They would all get fired. So many people are jobless that it is an employers’ market. Workers are a disposable commodity, like Kleenex. Blow your nose on them, and then toss them into the garbage.

  14. Mat H Physics  August 9, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    A bullet has a density ten time greater than water(sg of lead 11.4), and has to travel over 2000fps to penetrate 1/4″ mild steel. Sully’s airliner in the Hudson river demonstrates the mas density to be less than half that of water, b/c it floats so high. Due to the higher air density at sea level, an airliner can not exceed 500fps. It has to do w/ the large frontal area and the fact high eff turbines can’t process thick air as fast.

    ALUMINUM IN FREE SPACE CAN NOT SHEAR RIGID STRUCTURAL STEEL(much harder than mild steel) AT SUBSONIC SPEED, PERIOD.
    Shear mod aluminum 25, shear mod steel 70.

    The idiotic populous continues to believe a “copperfield” magic trick, 150tons of airliner can’t just disappear through a wall of structural steel. Even Old John Feathermerchant (a B-25) shows what really happens when an aircraft strikes a skyscraper, July 28th 1945. It only hit the granite facade, falling to a lower roof top unassisted after impact. No structural steel supports were ever hit directly. The engines went through, only b/c they are made of much denser iron. Occupants of the ESB stated “The building swayed like a pendulum…we had trouble keeping our under us as we ran for cover”. This is called conservation of momentum, and NOBODY AT GZ said anything like this in 01′. There are many people on video clearly stating “there was no plane, it was a bomb”. Even fema admits none of the four “black boxes” were ever found, yet the CT jesse ventura lies to the public.

  15. Snoopy  August 9, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Good job Kevin. The “it’s a huge volume so it must contain a huge amount of information” psyop has been long used to dupe those not on guard to such tactics. Personally as the 9/11 snow job has reached well into the 2nd decade I’ve gone from annoyed to downright angry at those who have sold their souls and look the other way, who have weaseled their way into positions of infulence. Thanks.

  16. Brian  August 9, 2013 at 11:01 am

    I wonder what would happen if somebody told Kevin Ryan Israel did 911 during a speech to a 911 truth crowd and asked for his response.

    • Brian  August 9, 2013 at 11:04 am

      By the way, after all these years I think it’s a little sad people are still seeking 911 truth, it seems to me they should be saying Israel did 911 what should we do about it.

    • Kevin Barrett  August 9, 2013 at 3:02 pm

      I appreciate Kevin Ryan’s efforts even though he doesn’t mention Israel. Some folks, like Kevin R., just want to fight off the “conspiracy theorist” slur without having to deal with “anti-Semite” at the same time. That’s okay – it just leaves me more material ; – )

    • Martin Maloney  August 10, 2013 at 12:15 am

      @ Kevin Barrett

      I disagree, Dr. Barrett. I consider the “who” to be the most important part of “who what why where how.”

      It doesn’t take any courage to point to a video of the controlled demolition of WTC7 or to expose that there are no Arab names on the passenger lists. That stuff is already in the public domain.

      Please understand that I’m not putting you down for appearing at the same event as Kevin Ryan. “Politics makes strange bedfellows” and all that rot. A limited hangout ally is better than no ally at all.

      At the same time, I see Kevin Ryan’s refusal to touch the third rail as making it easier for the rest of us to be smeared as antisemites for naming the “who.”

    • Kevin Barrett  August 10, 2013 at 8:04 am

      I think it does take some courage to spend a lot of time and energy pointing out the basic stuff like WTC-7, etc. to the general public. Take it from me: if you do that, you’ll take some heat. Kevin got fired from his UL job for doing it. Not only that, it’s a useful enterprise. Kevin Ryan’s intro to 9/11 is a perfect “gateway drug” for the crowd we need to reach. The Zionism angle is not such a good gateway drug, because it has to penetrate yet another layer of social conditioning. So go ahead and grumble about Kevin’s (and David Ray Griffin’s and Richard Gage’s) avoidance of direct references to the Zionism angle – but grumble in a supportive and friendly way, and do what you can to help them do what they do, which is important and useful.

    • alburysmith  August 12, 2013 at 5:24 am

      I “go ahead” and grumble about their avoidance of facts, Mr. Jihad, as well as yours. Ryan was canned by UL for lying about their steel-certification protocols, something he obviously knew nothing about.
      How much courage does it take to libel someone with junk science and nonsense? Ryan deliberately altered a quote and then falsely accused an innocent person of a major felony that’s literally impossible, i.e. the secret explosive demolition of a Manhattan hi-rise:
      https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/RyanFraud1.jpg
      Your statement here that there were no Muslims on the planes hijacked by 19 Arab Muslims on 9/11 should be shared with the Saudi government. They admitted in early 2002 that 15 of the 19 were Saudi nationals.

    • DaveE  August 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      I agree, we’ve had the TRUTH for a long time. What we need is 9/11 JUSTICE. We should be on the sentencing phase already, since everyone with the IQ of a stray neutron knows the zionists did it.

  17. micheleb  August 9, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I’m glad people are standing up and asking: “What is the Truth?” It makes my heart sing.
    If anyone is interested there is a physicist: Dr. Judy Wood who has some very interesting information to offer about this. I hope people take a look; very interesting!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqbcsU0_RjU
    http://drjudywood.com/towers/index.html

    • Mat H Physics  August 9, 2013 at 1:08 pm

      Judy Wood’s observation is correct, but her assessment of the cause is completely wrong. Dimitri Khalezov explained it back in 05′, then the LSM came out w/ the “thermite theory” red herring campaign. The pit of plasma was displaced by the falling structure, raining down plasma on the entire area burning anything it touched. The fires were suppressed by the super fine dust created by MOLECULAR DISSOCIATION, like a chem fire extinguisher. This can be confirmed by the blast radii captured by thermal images taken by NASA on the 16th.
      Even steven jones mass spectrometer data shows how the dust correlates to the bedrock GRANITE, which contains Iron Oxide(the reactive part of thermite) and Aluminum Oxide(the byproduct of thermite). It was claimed to be “nano-thermite”, again due to molecular dissociation which creates dust finer than what is found in nature. The fineness can be seen by how long the dust floated in the air.
      There is no other way to account for the underground heat energy. Look up zeolite, alumino silicate, used at Chernobyl and Fukushima to control alpha radiation, a by product of plutonium. It was created from the Silicon Oxide and Aluminum Oxide compounds of GRANITE being exposed to fission heat temps.
      I welcome any debate that may contradict Dimitri Khalezov’s assertion, as these are the FACTS backed by the LAWS OF PHYSICS.

    • alburysmith  August 17, 2013 at 8:12 am

      That sounds like a mental health issue, Jim.

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