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Microwaves, Smart Meters and the use of electronics for “mind control”

DISCLOSURE: The views expressed herein are views of the author exclusively and not the views of VT, VT authors, affiliates, advertisers, sponsors, partners, technicians or the Veterans Today Network and its assigns. The views belong exclusively to author Jim Fetzer.

by Jim Fetzer, Barrie Trower and Deborah Taveres

Barrie Trower

For those who have wondered about the use of electronic weapons for ‘mind control’, here is a most disturbing interview of an expert, where I am publishing portions of the transcript, which is here.

The interview was provoked by a document found on the White House website entitled, “Realizing the Full Potential of Government Held Spectrum to Spur Economic Growth”, President’s Council of Advisors on Science Technology (20 July 2012).

The complete interview may be found in the YouTube embedded below. This is about as disturbing as it gets.

Barrie Trower is a British physicist who was trained in microwave warfare by microwave experts. He looked at aspects of microwave warfare and, when he finished the time that he spent in the military, he had a lot of expertise in the microwave field and he was asked to carry on with this research. And it was a new cold war that he discovered with microwaves. Here is his personal warning in his own words:

“In the very early 1960’s I trained with the government microwave warfare establishment. I looked at all aspects of microwave warfare and when I finished my time in the military, because I had a lot of expertise in the microwave field, I was asked if I would carry on with this research. We are in a new Cold War and this is why countries are developing this. And this is why all the microwave transmitters are going up everywhere because somebody, if they wanted to, could use them for other effects. The system is up and running.

Years ago our government said to our scientists when it comes to microwaves you will only talk about things to do with heat, and that is it. So they won’t even discuss anything else. They will deny anything that doesn’t have anything to do with heat. They even deny all their 40 years of research leading up to this, although they’ve said that this can cause cancer and all the damage, they say no it can’t. We’re only looking at heat and heat is all that matters. So for the last 40 years the English government has been lying to the people. And the American, the Canadian, the Australian, they have been lying. They have been lying to protect industry, to protect their profits, to protect themselves from lawsuits.

So they are really just liars and it is provable, sanctioned by the World Health Organization,

without a shadow of a doubt. It is the same people that sit on the ICNAP certificate, sit on our

government health protection agencies, sit on the World Health Organization . . . . it is the same

people. There are probably no more than 20 of them. But, yes, they are going to, in my opinion,

commit the worst genocide this planet has ever known, not just people, but animals and plants.

They are probably going to cause more destruction than a global war, and in several hundred

years time, people will look back, whoever survives, and look at what we tried to do to stop


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About gaining a foothold

Deborah Tavares: So as we go through this, Barrie, I would like for you to explain some of what you see in this document, if you would, because it’s going through thirteen pages, and they’re talking about what the purpose of the spectrum is and if we could just flip slowly each portion represents one page that is on our website.

Barrie Trower: One of the things you said, the universities, for instance, they may not be guilty. And I can give you an example. The government holds massive amounts of funds for research and the universities apply for research grants. Now to give you one example in the United States, the government asked one university if it could devise a method whereby if you beamed

microwaves into somebody’s ears the vibrational frequencies in the cochlea, they would actually produce sound in the person head so nobody else around could hear, just the one person being beamed could hear the sound.

And the University was told this would aid the deaf enormously because people could talk into a device and they would just hear it straight through. It was also picked up by the super store manufacturers who said we could also use this for good because if we have shoplifters, we can beam the pulse frequencies to the shoplifters to say, “You’re being watched. Put this down.” We’ll prevent crime, and that was used for good. It didn’t take people very long, especially the military and other super stores to think, ‘well, hang on, we can use this for our own devices’.

So the military can now put voices into people’s heads to do whatever deed they wish it to achieve, and the super stores have also realized that rather than say ‘put that down, you’re going to steal it’ , if you’re indecisive and you’re shopping, they can say ‘you really do want to buy this’, and after nine months, and I got the figure from one of your calls, somebody took one of your super stores to court for beaming them. And they made a phenomenal profit in just nine months, phenomenal profit. But because your Federal Communications Committee says that microwaves were safe, the case fell.

So all I’m saying is that when you’re reading out the universities, they may be acting totally innocently and it may be that the recipients, after the research is done, say now we will turn this to our advantage.

Deborah Tavares: And that’s because so much is compartmentalized and that’s how they keep this monster escalating to the degree that they are.

Barrie Trower: Yes. It’s perception.

About the use of “Smart Meters”

Deborah Tavares: Would you say that as far as the microwave targeting of mass populationsnow, which is what this is showing (holds White House document up), is the intention where we were talking about more specific targeted people hundreds of thousands globally?

Barrie Trower: Yes.

Deborah Tavares: Now we’re looking at a map that really does show a mass targeting particularly of the United States?

Barrie Trower: Oh yes. Absolutely. Really this is one of the ideas behind the Smart Meter where they put them on everybody’s homes. What they can do now. They can watch every single person in that house. They can watch you go to bed. They can watch what you’re doing in bed. They can watch you on the toilet and in the bath. They can hear every single word you’re saying. They have a machine which will measure your hormone levels. They have a machine, provided they’re within a 150 feet, they can measure your brain activity and they can even tell what frame of mind you’re in.

Now, if they can do this to an entire population, most people would not like it done to them but would be unaffected, and from the government point of view is, we’re really not interested in 98% of the population anyway, but we want the 2% that could be dangerous to the American citizens. But that doesn’t’ apply. They then do on to say, “Well hang on, there’s a group there that are obstructing us doing this, demonstrators. We’ll watch those.” And then you get to people of specific religions, and people with long hair, and people who smoke cannabis, and the level comes down and down and down to the point where they’re actually monitoring about 75% of the population and they have the computer

technology to do this.

Mind Control and Behavior Shaping

Deborah Tavares: Well, that is what we’re understanding is the intention of this (holding up the White House document). And what this is of course depicting is psychotronic weapons for mass mind control and about quantum computers and mind control, mind theft, and invasion of the human brain with artificial intelligence. Could you explain to people what that means.

Barrie Trower: The first thing, with this (referring to the White House document) when you blanket a whole area, there are different reasons for monitoring populations, and right now in the United States there could be to my knowledge between 40 to 45 countries blanketing people with microwaves, and all you need is a few vehicles, blanketing people with microwaves for specific purposes. Now I grew up in the Cold War era with spies, and forget James Bond or anything silly like that, the main weapon of a spy, any spy from any country, the main weapon is blackmail. That is the main weapon. Because, for instance, if I’m from a country and I want to get a spy into the United States they’re going to need documentation. To get a passport or a birth certificate or some form of documentation you need a professional person or two, like a lawyer, to sign an affidavit or something to say I have known this person since they were zero years old, they are now 22. I can identify them . . . everything.

They are a person. To get a professional person like a lawyer, if you blanket an area with microwaves, you know every conversation they’re having, you know where they go, what they’re doing. For instance, if you have a person who is a pedophile, a person who has a mistress or two, a person who is a secret alcoholic or gambler and they would lose their job if it became known, all they have to do is go up to that person and say is this is what we have on you, and you’re from another country obviously, this is what we have on you and we will give you a choice and you make your decision now. And this is what they do.

You make your decision now. Either this goes in your local press in the Sunday newspaper or you will lose your job, your children come out of university with disgrace, your wife will leave you and run away and hide, you will lose your house, everything, and you will never work again. You will be a beggar on the streets, if you’re lucky. Or you can sign this piece of paper to say you know this individual. They’re an upstanding person. They deserve the passport. They deserve a job reference because they should get this job. You’ll highly recommend that. You will sign it and we will go away. You will never see us again. Most people, given ten seconds thought, will sign and walk away and breathe a sigh of relief. That is why I suspect this, the blanketing the whole area (points to the White House document). It may not be the United States. It could be up to 40 countries. And I

can assure you there are at least 40 countries who would like to get spies in the United States. And when they’re in, they’re in. Then it goes on from there.

I don’t like the word ‘mind control’ because you don’t really control the mind. You can change it to act in a different behavior, but you do not permanently control it. You can make people do things, and that’s very easy. I could do it. I could do it to you in less than three days.

Deborah Tavares: Such as assassins?

Barrie Trower: I could turn you into an assassin in less than three days. That’s easy. So there are lots, and lots and lots of different reasons for blanketing an area and watching people. And 98% of the population probably would not be affected, but it is the fact that you have no choice. And if you upset somebody in the government, they can abuse their authority and target you.

Whistleblowers and Death Threats

Deborah Tavares: There are many scientists who realize what their scientific experiments have now caused. They’re not being used for the benefit of mankind and they now see how those are being used against their children, their families, and the world at large and they’re coming out and they’re letting this be known. And they’re not being targeted microwaves and the inventions that they’ve created are now being used against many of these whistleblowers, would you say?

Barrie Trower: Yes. And I can give you a specific example from a chief scientific officer in England. But, if you’re going to become a whistleblower you must realize first of all you’re going to receive death threats and these are very serious death threats. You are going to lose your job. Your children are not going to get a job or go to university. It is a family sacrifice, as well as yours.

I can give you an example. I’ve received many cryptic and strange messages from senior persons. I received a message from a very, very senior scientist in the top secret experimental place in England. He said, “I need to talk to you, Barrie.” I said okay and we met. He said I am going to give the perspective from where I am sitting. We have received a contract from the government to do research. I’m researching the effect of microwaves on the brain and the heart. I am one of the country’s leading research scientists. What they have asked me to do is study the brain and the heart being exposed to various microwaves, a specific pulse frequency known to affect the brain and the heart.

I know and you know, because a part of my degree was experimental physics, that if we’re going to do a study on the heart and the brain we’re looking at about 15 years. It would take about ten years to do the study and another five years to tie up the loose ends, write it, have it peer reviewed, go to publication. You and I know, because if I said to you how long would it take to do these experiments, you would say ten to fifteen years, which is what the drug companies do when they’re testing a new drug. It’s always a minimum of ten years, maybe longer. They don’t always get it right, but at least they have a go.

And he said to me there’s a lot of money involved here. Do you know how long they’ve given me to do the experiments on the brain and the heart? One of them, ten minutes and the other one is 20 or 25 minutes. I can do them both in an hour and have time for a cup of coffee. He said now I know that when I do these, the results are going to show SAFE, SAFE, SAFE, SAFE, SAFE. And I know that they are going to use this with the stamp of my laboratory to say ‘this is safe—sell it’. And this particular system has now been sold to 150 countries as safe.

And he said to me, now I’ve done nothing wrong. I did the experiments. I produced the results, which are safe, but I know this is going to be abused. I know that people are going to die because this is going to be published. Women are going to get breast cancers, miscarriages; all sorts of things are going to happen. But they’re going to do that—not me. He said now I am in a top government scientist job. I have a top salary. I have two children at university, one at college. I have a mortgage on a big beautiful house. If I spill the beans, I will lose everything today and I will never work again. My children will come out of university and my life will be a mess. What do I do? I said you only have two choices: you give up your family and your children’s university educations and everything, or you keep quiet. And those were the only two choices, and he decided to keep quiet.

Deborah Tavares: Well, of course, we know in many of these decisions the dangers beyond the family, and the fact that the family is going to be assaulted and confronted by increased frequencies anyway, as well as all of his friends and the rest of the world.

Barrie Trower: So this is the dilemma that some of the scientists are put in. So even when you read up laboratories, it may be that the scientists did nothing wrong, he did nothing wrong. He did what he was asked to do. He gave the results he was asked to give. It was the other people who are doing something wrong. But again, I’m very, very wary of reading out lists of corporations and laboratories because the people responsible may not be responsible.

Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth.


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19 Responses to "Microwaves, Smart Meters and the use of electronics for “mind control”"

  1. AnnaMariah Nau  November 5, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Although this article doesn’t say Mind control – it does talk about the fact that technology is altering our ability to tell right from wrong Plus may be causing potentially irreversible dementia in Children. http://www.bioelectricshield.com/blog/2013/11/05/is-our-technology-driving-empathy-out-the-door/ the other article you might find interesting addresses The increasing impact of fear on your life
    http://www.bioelectricshield.com/Highly-Sensitive-People/fear-and-bioelectric-shield.html what is doesn’t come out and say is that we know that some of that is being purposefully generated – we don’t have “proof”…but you all can form your own opinions on that one.

  2. Martin Maloney  October 30, 2013 at 5:54 am

    Brain Tumors Associated with Cellphone Use Has Replaced Leukemia as the #1 Child-Killer


    Can you say, “Fascism?”

    “But of course, in the Good Ol’ USA, the former chief lobbyist for the wireless industry, Thomas Wheeler was recently appointed by President Barack Obama to head up the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), which regulates the safety of wireless devices, in yet another astonishing conflict-of-interest in the choice of appointed Federal Regulators, who better resemble wolves guarding the sheep, rather than advocates for the health of the public at-large.”

    Here’s the embedded RT video on YouTube in larger size:


    • Cheryl Whitestone  November 4, 2013 at 10:00 am

      That’s right, my Mother was an xray transcriptionist for several large hospitals in Georgia, she was disconcerted by the vast numbers of young people and children being diagnosed with brain tumors. She asked me what I thought, and my reply was electro-magnetics,dirty electricity, wi-fi, cell phones, I have a background in nutrition and stay abreast of these things. This is a silent invisible killer, which no one can escape particularly now that they are installing mass smart meters, I have this sensitivity and can hear the microwaves, I have all the symptoms listed, now I feel this planet is becoming un-liveable. Its bad enough they are poisoning us with fluoride, GMO’s and chemtrails the latter cannot be avoided either. There is plenty of evidence I would like to sue them all out of business this must be stopped. See the film “Take Back Your Power” Josh Del Sol and “Resonance Beings of Frequency” . This is torture what can be done?

  3. Jake Maverick  October 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    The gold isn’t really at Fort Know either, ya’know, the rumor being they don’t have any!

    They used the last of it to rip off the Chinese a few years back….

  4. Jake Maverick  October 27, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Um, the dumbed down version for newbies….I’ve had over 15 years of this and far worse.

    But two words immediately spring to mind, “Joint Enterprise” (under the law).

    And the “only following orders” excuse never stood up at the Nuremberg trials either.

  5. zen master  October 24, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Why won’t the left cry out about this issue? I mean, you have asymmetric warfare, total invasion of privacy, this is totalitarianism, and not a peep from them. Controlled opposition.

    Barrie Trowers points are all correct but I wonder if he retired before SMART dust, which SMART meters might manipulate, and whether their capabilities for “mind control” are greater than microwave radiation alone..

  6. Cold Wind  October 24, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    God what a nightmare! Yes my children, there really are monsters. Thank you Barrie for your courage.

  7. Preston James, Ph.D  October 24, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Terrific, cutting edge article that brings much needed clarity to a subject most of the public knows nothing about. This is the bread and butter of mass mind-kontrol, the cell phone and Wi-Fi systems and their manipulation using complex algorithms. Other handheld weapons have been deployed as well as some space based weapons mounted on orbital platforms aimed downward. This subject is a scandal that needs to be publicized.

    This is perhaps the largest, most dangerous long-term medical experiment on kids since lead was added to paint and to gasoline, which we now know lowered IQ and created serious health effects. This article sounds a very important warning for folks to wake up and fully consider the risks of using cell phones too much and close to the ear and being around Wi-Fi. Fiber optics and hard wired is the way to go as much as possible. At least one European nation has removed Wi-Fi from schools and hard wired, and one Canadian province too. It is being used extensively in many large stores as a mind-kontrol tool interfaced with HD surveillance and facial recognition software wired up to Fusion Centers.

    • Ernest  October 24, 2013 at 10:58 pm

      The range of frequencies causing the auditory perception of pulsed microwaves are quite narrow. I believe that the optimal wavelength is the diameter of the head. Very low power densities are perceived due to a resonance effect and due to the exquisite sensitivity to thermo-elastic waves by the cochleae. The effective power densities required for microwave hearing are probably lower than the microwave power emitted from a microwave oven considered to be safe.

      Microwave radiation itself is non-ionizing. It does not knock electrons out of their orbits and hence can produce no free radicals. It is the free radicals produced by ionizing radiation which makes such radiation mutagenic and hence carcinogenic.

      The main danger from the criminal use of auditory microwaves is psychological, although it is possible that other pulsed frequencies may cause harm by interfering with the transmission of nerve impulses which control bodily functions.

    • Soapbox Jill  October 27, 2013 at 5:03 pm

      Ernest, biological impacts are shown in thousands of studies for NON-THERMAL radiofrequency. Please educate yourself. See 2012 BioInitiative, and U.S. military 1970s compilation by Zory Glaser sampled at Magda Havas site. See also Cellular Telephone, Russian Roulette by Robert C. Kane, 2001, (a Motorola lead scientist and cell phone developer). Your blind assumption of non-thermal safety is simply not true. See also Dr. Henry Lai and Dr. Leif Salford’s Youtube and study presentations on DNA damage. See also the great damage by oxidative stress, causing everything from burnout to Alzheimer’s and neurological conditions, etc. in a survey of studies by Warnke.

      To assume non-thermal RF/MW is not biologically damaging is the main tenant of the wireless industry bible. But it is not supported by the science. And to go on then to say the science is not “conclusive” would also not be true because you not only have lab science but epidemiological and individual reports and studies showing harmful effects. Google smart meter health complaints. You will find thousands. Many people never even knew a smart meter went on, but figured out that is when symptoms began. Thanks for looking at the whole picture.

    • Cheryl Whitestone  November 4, 2013 at 10:29 am

      I am having all the symptoms and right now Atlanta Georgia is being fried with Microwaves, smart meters and towers. I can hear the hissing microwaves 24-7, so can many others here. This was ramped up early 2011 and I heard the Russian Woodpeckers across from my farm prior to them doing the on-line ramp up. I have evacuated my farm because I was being hit with Scalar Waves! As far as I am concerned they are torturing and killing us. My Mother is ill now and many people are complaining and sick. I have written to Dr. Nick Begich only to be told they are doing their best to put a stop to this. Meanwhile try less EMF.com , well there is an economic depression too so I can hardly afford those products. I have put aluminum screening over me when I sleep and also on the walls. I have lost everything I have worked for, and the next thing may be my life if I can’t find a place to live where I am not being bombarded with these sinister microwaves. Oh and guess what this is not just my problem soon everyone will be showing the ill effects of this criminal technology. I like VT and appreciate the reporting, I hope we can get some justice and stop this crime soon.

    • AnnaMariah Nau  November 5, 2013 at 11:11 am

      Cheryl, Not promising anything, just wanting to reach out and say check this out and see what your “hit” is for you. http://www.bioelectricshield.com/sharing-with-my-twitter-friends.html I know the symptoms you’re talking about are much more extreme than what I’ve shared here – but I have talked to hundreds if not thousands who have been in similar circumstances and gotten a lot of relief. We don’t address mind control specifically on our website because we’re trying to stay a little bit more “under the radar” shall I say. But the Shield Does help with that. Check out the link on the Fear levels on the planet. But most of all, just follow your intuition, if this doesn’t seem like something you want to pursue, then sorry to take up your time. But as an empath, I tend to try to reach out when I feel it’s important.

  8. stephanaugust  October 24, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “… by future humans coming back in time.”

    Back in time? Why do they do that?

    If they have the technology to do that, why don’t they go forward, like Obama?

  9. adeUK  October 24, 2013 at 9:32 am

    The President’s Council of Advisors
    on Science and Technology
    John P. Holdren
    Assistant to the President for
    Science and Technology
    Director, Office of Science and Technology
    John P. Holdren, who authored (also with Paul Ehrlich) an article called “The Meaning of Sustainability: Biogeophysical Aspects” in the World Bank document Defining and Measuring Sustainability. In the article, the diabolical duo propose a stark reduction in the number of humans on earth.

  10. adeUK  October 24, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Domestic Microwave Oven 2.45 GHz recall the warnings about radiation leakage & testing requirements for repair technicians.

    Bluetooth technology operates in the unlicensed industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) band at 2.4 to 2.485 GHz Some people foolishly attach these devices to their heads for long periods.

    WiFi 2.4 GHz, 3.6 GHz, 4.9 GHz, and 5 GHz bands many cellphones now incorporate Bluetooth and or WiFi.

    Some people foolishly keep their handsets in their pockets next to their wedding tackle or next to their heart. Some people foolishly press their handsets to their ears for long periods or leave the handset switched on in a metal vehicle.

    The use of microwave ovens was forbidden in the entire Third Reich see Humboldt University
    Post WW2 the Soviets siezed the research.

    The Soviet Union promulgated a state law in 1976 banning the use of microwave ovens, and it published an international statement of warning. The prohibition was lifted during the period of Perestroika, although today, the threshold levels of acceptable exposure used by the Russian telecommunications industry are still several thousand times less than in the USA, and at least one thousand times less as those levels in West Europe.

    Dr. Hans U. Hertel is worthy of consideration source ZeitenSchrift.

    • Martin Maloney  October 24, 2013 at 10:44 am

      “Bluetooth technology operates in the unlicensed industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) band at 2.4 to 2.485 GHz Some people foolishly attach these devices to their heads for long periods.
      WiFi 2.4 GHz, 3.6 GHz, 4.9 GHz, and 5 GHz bands many cellphones now incorporate Bluetooth and or WiFi Some people foolishly keep their handsets in their pockets next to their wedding tackle or next to their heart. Some people foolishly press their handsets to their ears for long periods or leave the handset switched on in a metal vehicle.”

      Use your speakerphone:

      The strength of radiation decreases with the square of the distance.

      Let’s say that, if your hold your phone to your ear, then it is one inch from your brain. If you move your phone one inch from your ear, the radiation to your brain is one-fourth as intense. Two inches from your ear, one-ninth. Three inches, one-sixteenth. Four inches, one-twenty-fifth.

      If you want to lessen radiation to your brain when using a cell phone, then use it less often, keep calls short, and unless you are in a noisy environment or around other people within earshot, use the speakerphone.

    • Soapbox Jill  October 27, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      That is simply not good enough for the most vulnerable people, infants, pregnant women, elderly, ill. The truth is that AMBIENT microwaves are biologically active with UNPREDICTABLE mixtures of waves and exposure intensities. Another truth is that extremely low levels of microwaves can impact cellular healing capabilities and normal membrane activity and melatonin production that protect from cancers.

      The problem with radiation damage is you don’t feel it until the damage is severe enough. Want to really see something amazing? 2nd hand radiofrequency can make people nearby sick, according to Motorola scientist and cellphone developer Robert C. Kane. See his online essay on second hand radiofrequency radiation exposure.

      Simply using a speaker phone is not good enough for the person on the phone or nearby friends/family. Anyhow, that’s what a lot of my research has found. (:

    • Martin Maloney  October 29, 2013 at 9:59 am

      @ Soapbox Jill

      “Simply using a speaker phone is not good enough…”

      I fully agree with you. However, people have become addicted to their cell phones, and they’re not gonna give them up. Smart phones have most of the features of a computer, and people use them and rely on them to do the same things that their computer does.

      If they use their speakerphone or a wired (not BlueTooth) earset, they can cut down on the level of radiation to the brain, and that’s a good thing.

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