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Russian Source: Saudi Intelligence Responsible for Airline Bomb

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…by  Gordon Duff and Jim W. Dean, VT Editors with Nahed al Husaini in Damascus

A source with Russian intelligence just confirmed that the Russian government will not announce its preliminary findings on the A321 crash in Sinai.

However, their intelligence solidly names Saudi Arabia as responsible for the bombing which killed 244.  Egyptian intelligence was fully complicit in the terror attack.  The sources stated:

“Half the Egyptians work for Israel, the other half for Saudi Arabia anyway, Egypt has no security services, only paid foreign spies.”

Sources in Moscow say there no doubts whatsoever.

Would the Saudis attempt something like this in Israel’s backyard without involving them somehow? What do you think? Would they do it without the US knowing, when we have guaranteed to protect their security? Inquiring minds would like do know.

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Below is our second story on the Russian plane crash, complied soon after the possible bomb on board reports started coming in, and the early Egyptian reports were putting out false information, which is never done casually in an event like this. ..JD

A developing story:   The morning news brought a growing consensus for a bomb having caused the plane to break up in the air. This was not based on  potential evidence at the crash scene, but by elimination of the other possibilities.

Was the downing of the Russian passenger plane done to push Putin into making a mistake, perhaps scuttling the Vienna deal and the Minsk accords and, perhaps even the Iran nuclear deal as well?

If Putin reacts to this outrage, seemingly perpetrated by US allies operating under protection of NATO, what can Obama do if Putin decides to push back hard?

The choices are simple, Russia turns the other cheek, Russia hits back openly or surreptitiously or this takes the world to DEFCON 1 in a flash.

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Egypt's Prime Minister Sherif Ismail (C) and Egypt's Defense Minister Sedki Sobhi (2nd L) arrive at the crash scene

Egypt’s Prime Minister Sherif Ismail (C) and Egypt’s Defense Minister Sedki Sobhi (2nd L)
arrive at the crash scene

The only real evidence involves impossible errors, the initial story of radio calls never made, emergency landings planned for in an imaginary world, confirmed by Al Jazeera with Egyptian officials that never existed.

Then there is the video of the “ISIS shoot down,” easily debunked as a “shoot down” video but an extremely telling piece of evidence.

Team  leader Jim Dean was quick to point out that the video of a plane flying up to 500 miles per hour is hard enough without timing the plane being overhead at the exact moment of a catastrophic mishap.  This is where issues of “structural failure” are quickly dismissed.

Additionally, larger missiles like the BUK, which we are told that Kiev is furnishing to ISIS, leave a contrail that can be seen for hours from a hundred miles away in the clear skies of Sinai or Ukraine.  There was no such contrail, no visible signs of a missile attack.

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Wreckage evidence under cursory examination has to be set aside as there is a long history of this kind of evidence being photoshopped as with 9/11 or doctored as with the Dutch investigation of MH17.

This leaves a bomb planted at Sharm el Sheikh airport, one that could be accurately predicted, not just based on time and altitude but both and perhaps speed as well or even remotely activated through penetration of one of the planes communications systems. This requires a high degree of sophistication, setting off a bomb directly over a video crew.

The key to our investigation was location of the video crew’s position. It required backtracking from the crash site, following the suggested descent time tied to the radar data supplied, based on speed, altitude and deceleration algorithms.

This is an example of how wide open the territory is, with no one around

This is an example of how wide open the territory is at the video site, with no one around

 

This backtracked us approximately 24 miles to the only reachable location, an abandoned Wadi with direct highway ties to well used infiltration routes to Jordan, routes routinely used by Israeli and Saudi special operations units working with terrorists in Sinai.

An early airline bomb making kit - trial photo from the Heathrow plane attempts

An early airline bomb making kit – trial photo from the Heathrow plane attempts

Then again, we return to the issue of the extreme sophistication of the bomb, it we are talking about a bomb, which is more and more likely.  Familiarity with advanced avionics are key, and this cuts the list of potential players down to few, perhaps even one only.

From here, we look at the issue of “team egress,” how those who planted the bomb, again we note “if it was a bomb,” at the Sharm el Sheikh airport and the additional team responsible for the video.

Both groups would have to get out of Egypt quickly, which can only be done by water. The reason for this is simple.

ISIS receives half of its supplies through Turkey.  The rest are brought through Israel to Jordan, primarily through Aqaba, where barges take them on the very short run, only a few miles, to the rail head inside Jordan which runs them quickly to the Syrian and Iraqi borders and directly to ISIS units in the field.

Thus, the boats needed, the crews, the paid off customs officials, Jordan, Egypt, plus the special operations teams, Israel or Saudi for instance, if those are who can be considered, if a bomb is the real culprit here, make this all more than possible but probable, highly probable.

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Then we look to the story that Al Jazeera planted, which held up Egypt closing her border crossings and ports looking for agents of foreign security services who would have been otherwise sought.  Al Jazeera is controlled by the government of Qatar, very much a party to the funding of ISIS and operations inside Syria against that nation and now Russia as well.

Why? There were two big reasons. First is that to video the plane blowing up required knowing when the bomb was going to trigger and approximately where, to be in a position to get the video shot. Gordon and I can tell you that is not something that a rump group of jihadis could do, only a major intelligence agency (or several).

ISIL video _moment of impact shows no missile plume

ISIL video – first frame of explosion shows no missile plume

The video also eliminated a possible missile strike as there was no plume. There would have to have been one as the missiles that go that high have to carry a good bit of fuel to deliver 30 pounds of steel shrapnel for a proximity fuse one like the BUK, large and impossible to sneak around in the desert, even with a large sheet over it.

That left only a bomb. So next was a quick update on security at the resort town, which gets a log grade due to the huge number of foreign workers going in and out on all the resort construction projects and the history of bribes to circumvent any regulation imaginable. This included infiltrating a team in to do something nasty, but where getting the out is still a trick.

So that had us concentrating at looking how we would have gotten in to shoot the video, if it is real. First up was the location which thanks to our un-volunteered partner Google Earth we were able to find the approximate position required to match up to the camera angles and the radar recordings of where then plane was struck. Then came doing the math on the debris coming down where it did.

We have that spot marked above as the probable location, and just above it to the right the approximate position of the plane to fit the radar reports and camera angle. There is still an anomaly on the cell phone camera being faked as even at full zoom we do not see how an I- phone could hold a plane at 31,000 feet in frame, being hand held. From my camera experience with my $500 fluid head it would have taken some professional equipment to record this, and then dumbed down to look like a cell phone camera.

More analysis will confirm, or not, hence we are not claiming “who done it”, just a “most probable at” this point. If we were working for a government it would be asking for an early assessment on the most likely suspect. We are sharing some of the analysis behind what would typically be done, the logistics analysis.

Next came looking for how a video team would have gotten and, and then even harder, getting out. We first focused on the two Israel border crossings to the East as they were closest and Israel is always a top suspect in operations like this, especially where children are killed as they have a lot track record for going it.

But the low traffic between the two countries at these crossings is riskier for being noticed, going in, and more so, going out. So although we did find roads from the east that allowed access from Israel, we backed up and looked for alternates. We then spotted the main east-west road from Aqaba, Jordan, with lots of traffic where it is easy to blend in.

That road was a good bit south of the crash so we next had to zoom quite a bit to find a viable road going north…and found one, a lightly use one, straight as an arrow through what appeared to be a few abandoned facilities, the perfect set up to have put a team in the day before to be ready in the morning. We are showing one of those below.

Best pre-staging overnight position for a video team

Wadi Geryed, Sinia,  pre-staging overnight position for a video team – one we would have picked with some “view blocking” facilities

Aqaba is the city version of Rick’s Cafe from the movie Casablanca, one of the most active espionage transit centers in the Mideast. You have the huge CIA facility in Jordan, and the Saudi one, too. And then Israel’s border border ends their, also.

The ferry from Jordan was the most attractive route as it connects to the main east-west highway with lots of traffic to blend into and where any customs issues can be quickly resolved with a few hundred dollars. The major Intel orgs have fast lanes to get through these places when needed.

That completed our finding a very good way for a team to have gotten in, but where getting out was still tricky as after an event like this you can face road blocks and dragnets. So you have to have multiple exit routes, and more importantly, some time to exit the area before a major security alert goes out. The Aqaba exit would have been the quickest and the best, to be out of the country ASAP.

The map below shows that route in more detail so you can see how closely all three countries are at that point, Jordan to the right, Israel’s Elat north, and Egypt on the left where the main highway is from their port.

Aqaba, Jordan crossing point by ferry

Aqaba, Jordan crossing point by ferry

The last big clue we had was the confusion with the early report of the pilot reporting “technical difficulties” and requesting to land in Cairo, not a big deal initially in terms of what was to come.. That communication was widely published and ran all day while the focus was on getting to the plane wreckage.  When the video alleged to have been from ISIL popped up it was generally thought to be bogus because we knew they have nothing to shoot down a plane at that altitude. We ran it anyway with qualifiers on it.

But by late afternoon, the Egyptian officials “confirmed” that their had been NO pilot communication or emergency signal sent. That meant the earlier report was the the screw-up of all times, a firing squad offense…inconceivable to see how such a mistake could be made.

But now we are viewing that as a cover story to give an infiltration team the time needed to get out before a terrorism strike report locked at the nearby borders, which would have included Aqaba. So next the focus went over to tracking down who had planted the early bogus story of the pilot communication .

Gordon’s quick search, about one minute, turned up that Al Jazeera story first broke the story, from an unnamed Egyptian official (totally pulled out of thin air) or, as is more than likely, was manufactured on the need to create a temporary window allowing terrorist cells or special operations squads to “get out of Dodge” undetected.

This story was never meant to last and Al Jazeera obviously didn’t care that they would be found either utterly incompetent or complicit.  Those “in the know” have long been aware that Al Jazeera is an intelligence agency front.

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There was, as we now know, no Egyptian source. This was part of the cover up.

The teams involved were tracked from Jordan by boat to Egypt and across land as shown in the graphic above.

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103 Responses to "Russian Source: Saudi Intelligence Responsible for Airline Bomb"

  1. A Clock Of Thirteen  November 7, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    My, my… the perception management folks are in abundance today.

    Look, if you clowns are intent on playing your ridiculous games of subterfuge, at least try to be less obvious. Merely categorically claiming that everything the Zionist West has been PROVEN to be responsible for, was INSTEAD actually all Russia’s fault is beyond laughable.

    Putin killed 30,000 in Donbass? Like hell he did. That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of Poroshenko and the rest of his Jew oligarch buddies currently occupying Kiev; not to mention all the backroom maneuvering by U.S., and of course — ISRAEL — that put them all there.

    And don’t give us that tripe about Russia having a “history of killing millions of its own citizens”. Yes — MANY millions were killed post-Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. But, again, just WHO was actually behind that “revolution”? Well, lets see… It was funded primarily by Jacob Schiff, prominent Jewish NY Banker, who funded and dispatched Leon Trotsky (Real name Lev Bronstein, another Jew) and his band of criminals to Russia to carry out this so-called revolution [read: coup d’etat]. Anyone curious about just how Jewish the underpinnings of this coup were should have a look at this fine document: https://www.scribd.com/doc/252866046/The-Plot-Against-the-Church-by-Maurice-Pinay-Appendix-Only. As for the inept shills, don’t bother… you of course already know all this.

    PLEASE — Go tell your lies elsewhere; you look utterly ridiculous here..

  2. Susa  November 7, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Could it be that the plane was hijacked by AWACS or some other way to direct it to Israel? At the end, IS-ISrael is heading illegal organ trade. It was Halloween, satanist feast for all the sub animals and- lot of organs, children and blood for theis canabals.

    In my opinion there are not any serious proof ( like MH370, MH17 etc) that the plane ever felt down. All the pieces are the size one can take them by tracks. US/Nato has tecnology to make planes disappear from the radars- and Israel was only about 60 km away.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Kaiser_545.jpg

  3. Bill  November 7, 2015 at 4:13 am

    We saw what the Saudis/Israelis did to the Iranian pilgrims at the Hajj and now this. Saudi/Egyptian with Israeli/American approval. Incredible. The morons pointing the finger at Putin shouldn’t be allowed to spam away like that. Putin needs to keep the pressure on. I wish he would declare himself President for life. Is the Russian Central Bank privately owned by the enemy? The same RKM that own the Bank of England and the Fed? Well, he needs to seize it.

    • Thomas J. Mattingly  November 7, 2015 at 11:42 pm

      Bill: All BRICS nations, including Russia, are working to divorce themselves from Rothschild-type banking. Putin and Russia are well on their way in doing so.

  4. rockwool  November 7, 2015 at 2:28 am

    Dr. Susta,

    What kind of doctor are you to speak of ‘strategic objectives and goals’?

    Have you doctored in strategy?

    Your posts are commonly filled with opinions – the opposite to science.

    …and filled with character assasinations. That is You.

  5. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  November 6, 2015 at 11:24 am

    RockTool: You’re at it again — spreading fertilizer & disinfo. Please stop.

    Since you appear not to understand Putin’s strategic objectives & goals, it is no wonder that you do not understand why Putin doesn’t drop a nuke-like 9/11 info bomb or why he waited to get into Syria.

    Putin & many Russians *do* understand who the enemy is; and it’s certainly not all Israelis, all Americans or all any other nationality or religion. Please troll that disinfo somewhere else.

    If you intend to continue spreading fertilizer & disinfo, stop commenting at VT. Stop wasting our time.

  6. Detlef Reimers  November 6, 2015 at 6:48 am

    Europe now unleashes a psychological warfare strategy in the media. The spin goes like this with pictures from supposedly syrian barrel bombs (with badly hidden israeli paintings) and old 50th & 60th unprecise russian bombs underneath their fighters:

    They state, that these “old bombs” make huge losses and destruction in civil araes (destroyed mosques and dead people).

    Then: Cut, new story which goes like this:

    The english, american and french “experts” now come to the conclusion that it seems most propable that a bomb on the airplane caused this horrific accident.

    Then: Cut, studio alpha journalists tell us, that from a psychological perspective it would be quite plausible (in some studios supported by “terror experts”) that ISIS terrorists as well as Syrians find it very disturbing that Russian fighter planes destroy civilians and their homes.

    I congratulate Lucifer for this absolute ridiculous lie in front of millions of people, repeated now each and every day. Personally, this gives me confirmation about the real culprits.

  7. urbanb  November 6, 2015 at 1:40 am

    The Russians stopped the planned Israeli invasion of Syria, just days from it’s planned start…
    The Israelis run the eye-for-an-eye doctrine, its a religious duty!, regardless of if anyone gets it, or if that is even the aim, there should always be revenge…

  8. LC  November 5, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    ISIS in London today:::

    Looks like today in London ZIO AL-Sisi == ISIS was personally reporting ZIO-TERRORIST bombing of airliner to his RKM masters just like 100+ years back T.E. Lawrence reported his bombings of passenger trains to RKM in London!!!

    Sisi probably also showed RKM an HD close-up video of the plane’s explosion which he might have personally recorded!!!

  9. Excalibur  November 5, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    I suspect that we all know who is really responsible for this murderous outrage against innocent civilians – and I am surprised that the Saudis have allowed themselves to become the member of the unholy alliance that first comes into view. Their new leadership and recent military adventures are clearly unbalancing their customary disinterest and contempt for the rest of the world. They will never become a player and their attempts to do so will end badly for them.

    Once again the Russians have outflanked their rivals – by NOT reacting immediately – and by allowing the usual suspects to provide bogus explanations and accusations through their vassels during the uneasy silence. The real culprits will be breaking into a cold sweat about now – as they realise that the Russians now know what took place but are saying nothing other than “Lets wait for the investigation”. Elegant.

    The Russians will now choose the time and place for proper and righteous retaliation. The time for a “shitty little country” to be stamped on hard – is long overdue. Greedy and self interested Egyptian politicians – keen to keep the tourist dollars coming to their resorts – will readily claim a ‘technical problem’ is responsible. A line that I suspect suits the Russians just fine …. for now.

  10. drbhelthi  November 5, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    Danke, Laikalein, für mein Spasmoment für heutabend !

  11. Laika von old Monkshusen  November 5, 2015 at 11:01 am

    Gee, what about Jeffrey Dahmer, ICTS International (airport “security”), Merkel, queen Salman, General Betrayus, Jack the Ripper, and so forth. Next thing you say they cannot be entirely trusted either.

  12. coffeelover  November 5, 2015 at 6:53 am

    Putin’s surprise move into the Syrian war is impressive and the Russian campaign has been very successful. So there’s pressure on Putin from all sides now (Saudi/Israeli attacks on Russian planes, challenges from the Ukrainian side, etc.) I am waiting see what this former KGB man’s next surprise move will be and who will emerge as his friends in this struggle.

  13. Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor  November 5, 2015 at 6:46 am

    Yes we did. We reported the tape “unconfirmed” in the first day, unlike all the bin Laden tapes and videos from Rita Katz studios. That exercise was clearly stated as a hypothetical one to look into what would be required to do it, if that were possible. We have what we thought was the most likely route right in the article with Google Earth maps. The ceiling issue was covered two days ago, the confused of “maximum” ceiling and “cruising” altitude. We ran into the same thing on MH17 when the SU planes were stated to not be able to reach the plane altitude. We were the first to prove that they could and have done so, with the testimony of Russian pilots, with the bomb load and the big difference having one or two bottles of oxygen makes. So you are dead wrong here. And then you go and make this Ash Carter statement with out adding “unconfirmed”? It’s a dead end argument anyway as the flight recorders and explosives testing are going to quickly fill us in more on what happened, unlike the rigged Dutch investigation. We have already gotten a side channel Russian response.

  14. Cold Wind  November 5, 2015 at 5:06 am

    The Russian source puts Israel in the picture only by implication. But why not directly? Given Israel’s history, expertise and proximity, it is unlikely that the attack could have happened at all without Israel playing the principle role.

  15. drbhelthi  November 5, 2015 at 4:05 am

    A German home page presents a couple seconds of the video. The German reporter states that experts question the validity of the video, which supports the initial response of the VT crew. The video shows the aircraft to be intact after the blast and too much smoke. However, the total empennage was separated by the blast. I would expect that it would have immediately separated, and at 450 mph would have been caught in the air-stream and shown somewhere behind the forward section, if the video were genuine.

  16. Matt2  November 5, 2015 at 1:19 am

    As usual, great reporting Gordon. But there is a report that there was a military drill over the Arava desert which was adjacent to the Sinai desert from 30 Pct to 3 Nov involving US, Israelis, Greek and Polish jets. I wonder if anyone accidentally fired a missile in the direction of the Metroject.

    http://yournewswire.com/us-israel-conducted-war-games-in-russian-plane-crash-location/

  17. LOB2065  November 4, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    We all need to be very careful when it comes to claiming why a commercial airline has been brought down by a nation or terrorists because it opens the floodgates to having this as acceptable behaviour.

    No one should have accused the Russians of shooting down MH17 before a thorough investigation had taken place. Certainly no one should be saying Daesh is responsible for the downing of this Russian airline until proof can be found.

    • Laika von old Monkshusen  November 5, 2015 at 11:44 am

      About “MH17”; after a bit of searching for information and contemplating, it should have been clear, beyond any reasonable doubt, that “MH17” was crashed by the “free” and “democratic” (monstrous dictatorship) of the West . . . (unlike the Russian plane, I’ve no idea how many were murdered by that crash, but it certainly, and obviously, was an incredibly disgusting “false flag operation”, as were 9/11, Boston “bombing”, “Charlie Hebdo”, and so forth)

  18. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  November 4, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    DaveE: You are skating on thin ice. You are a fluster cluck waiting to happen. Stop it.

  19. nwonowarorders  November 4, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    Russia should not have had Russian civilians flying in a dangerous region as this. They well know what Israel Saudi scum are capable of doing . Ban all tourism in this region period

  20. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  November 4, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    DaveE: Not true. U.S. NeoCons do want a ‘big war.’ Behind NeoCons are Bush & Rothschild. However, that doesn’t end the big-fish-eats-little-fish cycle, which is more than 2000 years old.

  21. masster  November 4, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    @Jim W. Dean
    Sir, I know you are not familiar with Americans asking for PROOF when news are released by the media. Almost every American eats with a big spoon everything they watch on TV. I, on the other hand, am a skeptic. I don’t trust news from anonymous ‘sources’. Why would people believe everything you say without showing any tangible evidence?? So far nobody produced a shred of evidence for their allegations about the Russian plane crash. To me that fits the GOSSIPS category. Yet you claim you know for sure what is the content of the black boxes analysis report, you know it was a bomb explosion on board, you know who did it, and you also know the Russians will not say a word about it. Wow… even James Bond should be envious on your skills to penetrate the Russian intelligence. But then you woke up. Now seriously, chill.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  November 4, 2015 at 2:37 pm

      @ Masster-Debater: You may be a newbie. What you do not appear to be familiar with is the track record of Veterans Today, Gordon Duff & Jim Dean. When they publish an article based on Russian or other intel sources, those sources actually do exist; and VT, Duff and/or Dean have actually talked with them.

      So, unless you can show that VT, Duff & Dean are regularly mistaken when they stake their reputations on a story like this, then take your “big spoon” and go eat somewhere else.

    • Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor  November 4, 2015 at 4:52 pm

      That’s correct, no one has proof and no one ever does this early in an airline crash, so your point is silly, purely argumentative and a waste of time. The news today on this story was filled with unofficial comments made to a variety ofmajor news sources that were published. This also is quite common. We put this Russian source out because it came in and it was credible. We did the same the ISIL claim. It was part of the news on the story. This is going to be another long investigations story with lots of bits and pieces, but we will have flight recorder information soon enough to get the “facts” ball rolling.

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