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FFWN: Hall and Barrett question Dean and Duff on Finicum killing

I like protecting wilderness areas, but I also liked LaVoy Finicum

[ Editorial note: When a real police murder of a twelve year old boy in Cleveland failed to get a single response from the militia types, of course because the boy was black, VT spoke up.

When an unarmed couple had 137 rounds emptied into their car and their bodies, VT spoke up, they of course were black. Only we spoke up, and a few “leftie” or Democratic Party blogs.

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Having removed something, perhaps a phone or a body appendage, Finicum points at police prior to being gunned down (Enhanced using the same program used on the video for Kevin’s Charlie Hebdo book)

When a gun totin’ Rambo type with an 18-year-old human shield with a gun in his pocket gets out of a car and does a veritable “hand jive” of hands in pants, in pockets, in the air, at his side and eventually, pointing in a shooting stance at police, as seen, he managed to get himself killed as he had promised.

He said he was going to force police to kill him and this is what he did. He knew he had a felony warrant for a terrorism-related charge against him when he put an 18-year-old girl in a car. He knew it when he ran one roadblock and tried to run another.He knew it when he got out of a car armed.

What didn’t happen? He didn’t have his hands up, not very long. He wasn’t on his knees. Nobody shot a car. As for the FBI statement, they never said he never had a gun in his hand. In fact, we are never told where the gun was found. We will get all that when we hear from the officers who were there.

All we have is a video and statements from the young girl that are clearly fabrications and, of course, criminals who decided they wanted someone else’s land, just like the Israelis… G ]

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Today’s False Flag Weekly News (video embedded above – click here for the story links) leads off with an “alternative analysis” of the killing of LaVoy Finicum, and the context surrounding it.

Until last week, Tony and I shared the negative views of Jim Dean and Gordon Duff toward the Oregon occupiers. Personally, I’m in favor of protecting MORE wilderness land from grazing, timber, and mining. I have seen the effects of overgrazing in the US—and even more so in Morocco, where the Arabic proverb “the goat has a poison tongue” explains why so much of the land, which should be rich Mediterranean forest teeming with wildlife including lions and elephants, is completely barren.

So if you want me to join your revolution, making it about ranchers taking over federal wildlife preserves isn’t exactly the way to win me over.

But then one of our viewers, Steve Wolf, sent us a well-thought-out defense of the Oregon occupiers. Tony did some research and discovered that while there were a fair number of dubious characters involved, there were also legitimate grievances and possibilities for a broader movement. In particular, LaVoy Finicum was  an eloquent, charismatic, utterly decent man with a background uniting “cowboys and Indians.”

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original image, any doubts why he was killed?

So Tony and I were shocked and saddened when this man – not certain vastly less likable characters who had been hanging around the occupation (the worst one cleared out right before the heat came down) – was shot down under dubious circumstances — and the only eyewitness testimony described an unjustifiable shooting if not an outright political execution.

We were appalled to see how Raw Story lied by falsely characterizing hearsay as “eyewitness testimony.” Then the helicopter video was released proving that the hearsay claiming Finicum “charged” the officers was a lie…but Raw Story won’t back down and apologize.

We were also saddened, though not shocked, when Tony’s article “The Political Assassination of LeVoy Finicum” was defaced – I mean, prefaced – with an “editor’s note” also containing the false assertion, based on hearsay later debunked by the video, that Finicum “charged the officers.”

Above all, I am puzzled by Dean and Duff’s claim that Finicum can be seen holding a gun in the helicopter video. This contradicts the FBI’s official position, which  is that Finicum did NOT draw his gun. The FBI says he just “reached” for it. They say it was found in his pocket after he was shot down.

What could explain the discrepancy? Did someone doctor the video but forget to tell the FBI spokesman? Are we looking at another Zapruder film – a piece of “evidence” altered, and rendered incoherent, by our almost-infinitely-corrupt federal government?

I want to hear Dean and Duff’s position on this. I left a comment on their article just asking, but it never showed up.

If VT stands for anything, it is the freedom to question authority, especially US federal authority. Our editors and writers come from a wide range of backgrounds, worldviews, and political positions. So I think it’s important to point out that VT writers and editors are not all in agreement about the Finicum shooting. Readers should read the various perspectives here, look at the video and eyewitness testimony, and draw their own conclusions.

VT also is noted for expert analysis of ballistics and everything related to guns—a notable example is Duff’s terrific work on the Charlie Hebdo “policeman shooting.” To keep that reputation intact, we need to figure out whether Finicum really did draw his weapon, as asserted by Dean and Duff, and if so, why the FBI says he didn’t.

Tonight on Truth Jihad Radio (7 to 9 pm Eastern at FreedomSlips.com – click on Studio B) Tony and I will discuss this case with Steve Wolf, author of

Oregon Ambush: What the FBI Video Tells Us and Does Not.

 

 

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15 Responses to "FFWN: Hall and Barrett question Dean and Duff on Finicum killing"

  1. William Bourne  February 1, 2016 at 9:22 am

    LaVoy Finicum by familiar accounts a decent gentleman, loved father and foster-father, law abiding citizen, and respected Mormon leader is dead. He can’t defend his honor or explain that he was just on his way to make peace and resolve the last misunderstandings (as was his usual way). He had to be taken down by authorities determined not to let that happen.

    His vehicle comes around a bend before the second road block. Were they shooting at him then to make him panic as they had before? He attempted to pass the road block on the left side, but as his car is on the shoulder, agent hothead hidden behind the cars jumps out and runs into his path. Finicum had no time, but tried to miss him anyway by swerving left into the ditch thereby getting badly stuck in the snow.

    He gets out of his car with hands up and the agent who had run in front of him comes around the back of his stuck car. As soon as he sees Finicum (with hands still up), he shoots. Finicum reacts at that moment by stumbling forward in the snow and clutching his wound. Another agent comes up behind him and both kept shooting until he falls and stops moving.

    This appears to be a DHS police “anti-terrorist” shooting of an innocent American Christian to promote gun control and instill fear in America.

  2. LMP900  January 31, 2016 at 8:26 am

    While browsing articles and comments across the web on this lastest incident in Oregon, and going further back to the Nevada standoff, the grassroots Tea Party movement, the first militia movement, etc, I see a common pattern of undistilled hatred and paranoia on part of certain groups and individuals who otherwise preach understanding and logical analysis when it comes to racial and cultural oppression. Is this a the manifestation of a “Cossacks are coming” fear-based NLP as passed on through generations?

  3. peter  January 30, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    Where did I say we are immortal Mike? Your glorified view on suicide is so deep….. How about the sheriff that was suicided by the cartels in the southern states so gangsters could roll in and take a state? Or Larry Deaver? Heard of him? He used to live in an rural area, where do you stand on that?

  4. Mike Kay  January 30, 2016 at 11:40 am

    The conflict across the west between local populations and a federal presence that is many tiered and many armed has been going on for as long as this country has existed. it should come as no surprise that such a conflict is far from simple, is rooted in notions of freedom, self determination, and stewardship of the land.
    It is absolutely impossible to understand how federal agencies have actively moved to purposefully destroy local communities unless you understand the nature of this conflict.
    Division has always been a federal tool, keeping populations divided along ethnic, religious, and even economic lines. Mr. Hall is quite right, that Mr. Finicum was a great danger to this planned and instigated division. I urge readers to consult his piece for greater clarification.
    Ultimately, what this comes down to is a pretty basic question; Do you have a right to live your own life, or do you exist merely at the whim of well connected others?
    The attempt to blame the protesters for the murder of Mr. Finicum is a clear case in point. What the professional murderers are saying, is that if you rock their boat they will murder you. If the reader doesn’t think this is true, and has been true for quite some time, then do yourself a favor and study some genuine history. You might begin with Howard Zins’ A Peoples’ History of the United States.

  5. Mike Kay  January 30, 2016 at 10:15 am

    The key to decodng the tragedy in Oregon is to understand that there is a valid perspective on the part of the western rural population. If, like most, you reject that, then it is indeed end of story. I find VT has consistently rejected the notion that the western people have any legitimate grievance at all, the only exception being Mr. Hall.

  6. Ajeocci  January 30, 2016 at 6:15 am

    On the recent video released to the media of “the shooting”, how come all the technical data has been redacted, blacked out? Time stamps, etc., all gone. It’s also impossible to tell who’s who in the video. We see figures that appear to be human, but identity? Nada. I guess we have the FBI’s word and they wouldn’t lie. Would they?

  7. Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor  January 30, 2016 at 5:15 am

    ” it such an obvious slander that it bears repeating.” Hardly a bizarre slander Mike as it is based on statements he made and posed as one of the possibilities of what motivated him to act like he did, which is just a normal part of analyzing an event like this. You make a list of all the possibilities and what they are based on that you are aware of, and then start looking for new information that you are not aware of. Frankly we have been surprised of the level of “Dancing with the Stars” mentality in this comment thread, especially with old VT readers who should know better, who approach this from a quite obvious ideological contest like a sports event. Here we are on the very front end of this thing, a long long history of events like this where initial reports are often confused, exaggerated of untrue, so when that obvious history is addressed we see experienced readers acting like someone stole their lolipop. It is disheartening to look back at the massive amount of time that we have put into running the comment boards, but we do do this to have a feel for what people get and don’t get, and yes, to study people’s motivations and biases. Finicum’s behavior was bizarre. What he did was crazy for running a road block with a car load of armed people, and their little caravan having a woman in each vehicle

  8. Connie  January 29, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    Cattle roaming free on thousands of acres of wilderness benefits the land as it did when buffalo roamed the plains. They eat the overgrown forage and leave behind fertilizer that helps new forage to grow. It is a humane method to raise healthy meat. However, open pit uranium mines are not beneficial to the wilderness and its critters– not good for Americans either especially if the mining rights go to foreign countries. (see discussion at farmwars dot info)

    An alternate view: LaVoy’s gun and holster is alleged and shown on video to be at the refuge after his alleged murder. When he carried, it was on his right hip. It is alleged he was sniper-ed in the forehead or face, and then pummeled with bullets from the ground forces. His reaching into his jacket is thought to be caused by his reaching to cover a gunshot wound received when his hands were up. His walking away from the vehicle is thought to be an effort to draw fire away from the people inside to himself.

  9. MileHighLife  January 29, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    I agree with Dr. James’ reply in the previous article/thread regarding this “subject” — too soon. Either it was….

    A) Yet another staged False Flag
    B) Real/suicide by cop

    With the continuous False Flags involving U.S. intelligence agencies it wouldn’t surprise many if this is yet another staged act. Much VT credibility (see; Duff, Dean) lies in the well seasoned public sleuths verdict.

    Fishy at the least at this point one must admit?

  10. Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor  January 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Dave, There is absolutely no substance to your claim that Gordon always takes the government’s side. That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard anyone say about Gordon, and I have heard a lot. And in this case the Feds haven’t even made a case yet. They have just roughly given us a tour of the video. It will be quite a while here before we get a forensic report on the actual shooting. The purpose of this was to debunk the “down on his knees with hands up, when he was executed and then multiple officers fired more rounds into him” which we clearly see the two assigned to him not do. I am amazed how people see what they want and discount anything else. The video is all we had for now and the enhancement gave a much better view than the long version. This is not a “Dancing with the militias” TV game show where we are going to determine the outcome.

  11. peter  January 29, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    Mike you think death by cop isn’t suicide? Somehow, you think that if death is quick it is therefore not suicide? Are you for real? You guys have been had.

    • Mike Kay  January 30, 2016 at 9:49 am

      Peter,
      I’m sorry that I introduced a concept too deep for you to understand. Lets see if I can simplify it enough to make it clear.
      We are all going to die.
      Facing the choice of dying in prison, or dying on your feet, some choose the latter.

  12. Gerry  January 29, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    Thank you for a voice of reason here

  13. brabantian  January 29, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    Ron Johnson of STF ‘Stranger Than Fiction’ News argues persuasively the shooting video is fake … time-stamp mis-match & also mis-matched with the editing … weapon muzzle flashes missing from negative … His conclusion is we either see a re-staging of original shooting, or there was no shooting of Finicum at all … ‘Did FBI Fake LaVoy Finicum Shooting Video?’ on YouTube

    On Henry Makow’s site, someone has posted a video & audio excerpt from the ‘LiveStreaming’ from the Oregon militia encampment which the viewer recorded … At one point someone comes in & asks the ‘Oregon militia’ guys … to sign ‘Talent Release Forms’ (!!!)… the ‘militia’ rush to turn off the microphone & camera … It seems they are ‘Crisis Actors’, and that the whole Oregon thing is a fake

    • Gerry  January 29, 2016 at 7:37 pm

      For the Muzzle flashes they have military grade Flashless Powder now. Not to denigrate but elucidate.

      BTW I’m one who thinks they have a huge PsyOp going here.

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