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The Flat Earth Society, Franco and Opus Dei

...“do you not think?” is mentioned in the Holy Quran more times than “do you not believe?”

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… by Katherine Frisk

I am sure that many of you have recently come across the “Flat Earth Theory,” that has now sprung up since the fervour about the Reptilians seems to have died down. Well for the moment anyway.

The “fear factor” and the jive over the scaly ones has petered off somewhat, ever since some dude in the Kremlin proved to have some balls and could maybe, just possibly, if he so chose, become a threat to the spin, and blow the little green slit-eyed fellas way out into space.

To say nothing about any discrepancies about the “Moon Landing,” or even 9/11. But that’s another story.

Real Science. Now there is a thing.

For anybody with half an ounce of brain cells, and yes due to the effects of GMOs, Chemtrails, the Kardashians and a number of other influences there is a perceptible reduction, there has been a noticeable decline in investigative non-fiction on various subjects, not only science, in the last sixteen years.

My particular interest has been ancient religions and the Dead Sea Scrolls in particular. Why?

Well if you have read any of my previous articles (I will leave a list below if you missed them), you will have gathered by now that I am in search first of the truth, and second, I believe that if we can clear up a number of misconceptions pertaining to the Old and the New Testaments, a lot of the world’s current turmoil will be resolved — not only religious belief, but the foundations of our political systems which are clearly, totally, corrupt.

jesus-palestinianTake Israel for example.

If I am right, and I believe that I am, Isaiah 17 refers to Damascus and the Northern Kingdom as Israel itself, and not to what we now know as Israel. Israel historically, according to the Bible, is not Judea and the southern Kingdom.

Taken in conjunction with Jeremiah 34, where there is a differentiation between the Hebrews from the north and the Israelites from the south whom we now know as “Jews”, the persecutors of the Palestinians on the West Bank (and I stress, Samaritan Jews, Torah Jews who have always been living here, Christians and Muslims, the so-called lost ten tribes), plus what is now called Syria but was once part of the Northern Kingdom, are damned in the Bible and will be blown away. No contest. The persecutors are persecuting Israel.

Kinda changes everything doesn’t it? Which means that if there are more “sealed” texts (hint hint) along this line of thinking that have been sitting in some jars somewhere and somebody has them, they really would not want us to know about it would they?

Justifying criminal acts of war and aggression in present time on texts that date from over 2,000 years ago and, what is more, have been misinterpreted, is quite frankly, beyond stupid. It is also irresponsible and downright genocidal.

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Sixteen years of silence

During the 1990s, there was a plethora of books coming out that were bending the envelope. Whether the authors were right or wrong in the final analysis is besides the point. The fact was that they were taking new material that had never been seen before and were coming up with what they thought was an accurate assessment. South Africans in particular were having a field day. After over thirty years of strict censorship laws under the Nationalist Apartheid Regime, the floodgates were opened.

At the time I was lucky enough to find a good bookshop that I used to visit at least once a week in case I missed something. (This was before the Internet, as we now know it.) I eventually realized that the book buyer at this particular store was onto me. He or she, I never found out, realized that they had a dead cert of a customer and kept supplying my interest.

I finally realized this when once there was only one copy of a certain title on the shelf. What bookshop orders ONE copy? Of course I bought it. But then, I am the only person who most probably would have been crazy enough to spend that much on a book!

As of 17th March 2016, this title sells for $2,411.01 new.

When I bought it in 1991 it cost me  about $10.95 new. This book is still one of my treasures, and I still bless that book buyer! “Dictionary Of Proper Names And Places In The Bible.” O. Odelain and R.Seguineau.

Why was this so important? Because in Biblical times, much like Africa still is today, and the Native Americans still are, people were given names that meant something, that were relevant to either the place where they were born, being a geographical identity or to their character. And often they changed their names as circumstances changed.[1]

Sort of like the term “Jew” is now, an all-encompassing word that hides a multitude of sins and historical facts. A word derived from one specific area called Judea. Not all Jews are Judean or Zionists, not all Zionists or Judeans are Jews. Not all Hebrews are Jews. Not all Jews are Hebrews. Only the Zionists have Ashken-NAZI Khazars in their ranks who believe that the Babylonian Talmud takes precedence above the Torah or the earlier Palestinian Talmud.

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In the Days of Omni Magazine

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October 1984

Also during the 1990s there was a wonderful magazine called Omni.

It had many scientific factual articles, as well as science fiction and parapsychology. The editor was an ex South African called Kathy Keeton. This also became one of my regular purchases. Some of the stuff was pure entertainment and not to be taken seriously, but in amongst the fantasy was hard-hitting science and updates on the latest technology. Real cutting edge stuff.

In 1996, OMNI went into Cyberspace with less coverage on fiction and fantasy and more real-time scientific articles

Then things began to change. Kathy Keeton died in 1997 and OMNI disappeared. Knowing what I know now and what Veterans Today readers are fully aware of, this was not really surprising in retrospect, neither her death nor the cutting-edge cyberspace magazine vanishing.

My book buyer also seemed to have vanished because the shelves were now filled with… quite frankly… junk.

I later discovered that the shop had been taken over by what you would call your Bible belt gang, the kind of people who take ten per cent of your salary and the preacher appears to have been trained by a combination of Hollywood and MKultra, wears expensive silk suits and lives in a mansion. Also known as Christian/Zionists. Or Scientologists, take your pick. The brainwashing and “control” factor is much the same as are their coffers. I kid you not, this book shop is now called CUM, and the last time I looked, they had a picture with the words, “He is risen.” Check it out here.

Also of note, the South African government was given notice by the Americans, George Bush junior in particular, that our press was too “liberal.”

Again in retrospect, and as Veterans Today readers are fully aware, translated this means, “too much truth, not enough propaganda.” As a result, some of our best reporters disappeared from major news outlets and the format was changed to include more local content.

In reality what this means is little to no real international coverage, and World War 3 could break out, while on the front page of our newspapers you will get an article with full colour photographs of protesters toy toying for Nkandla.

Or, the Russians presenting evidence that trillions have been stolen from emerging markets and that the BRICS countries must beware of covert funding and manipulation for colour revolutions and regime change, and Westerners will merely get articles about some government worker with their hands in the cookie jar stealing taxpayers money so that everyone in the office can have 50 litres of coke and 30 large size pizzas for lunch every day, or taking a bribe so that some family member can get the contract for road construction.

Reporting on these things is not unimportant. But the blanket silence on how the world really works and the real part that we consumers play in this international dog’s breakfast that we find ourselves in, is hardly mentioned. A small, one-paragraph article hidden in the back pages somewhere if at all, is inexcusable.

Since 2000 the doors slammed shut once again and we have had sixteen years of silence.

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Cosmology

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Nicolaus Copernicus – Wikipedia

In the early 16th century, Nicolaus Copernicus formulated a model that proved that the earth was not the centre of the universe, but revolved around the sun.

This was not news. In the 4th century, Hypatia was teaching her students astronomy at the Great Library of Alexandria. She was called a witch and skinned alive by a marauding band of bigots, and then her remains were burnt in the Cinaron, along with the whole library soon after.

Copernicus had better luck, and although criticized, was not persecuted. His detractors came from the Protestants. Melanchthon wrote:

“Some people believe that it is excellent and correct to work out a thing as absurd as did that Sarmatian [i.e., Polish] astronomer who moves the earth and stops the sun. Indeed, wise rulers should have curbed such light-mindedness.”

The Roman Catholic Cardinal Nikolaus von Schönberg, Archbishop of Capua, wrote to Copernicus from Rome:

“Some years ago word reached me concerning your proficiency, of which everybody constantly spoke. At that time I began to have a very high regard for you… For I had learned that you had not merely mastered the discoveries of the ancient astronomers uncommonly well but had also formulated a new cosmology. In it you maintain that the earth moves; that the sun occupies the lowest, and thus the central, place in the universe… Therefore with the utmost earnestness I entreat you, most learned sir, unless I inconvenience you, to communicate this discovery of yours to scholars, and at the earliest possible moment to send me your writings on the sphere of the universe together with the tables and whatever else you have that is relevant to this subject …”

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Galileo – Wikipedia

By the early 17th century, the rising power of the Jesuits and the Inquisition changed the Roman Catholic view, and Galileo unlike Copernicus found no support.

“The Inquisition found that the idea of the Earth’s movement “receives the same judgement in philosophy and… in regard to theological truth it is at least erroneous in faith” The original document from the Inquisitorial commission was made widely available in 2014. Pope Paul V ordered:

“… to abandon completely… the opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing.”

Galileo was accused of being a heretic by the Inquisition. He was sentenced to house arrest for the rest of his life. His publication Dialogue was banned.

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Controlled Opposition

Fast forward to 2015-2016 and what do we have? An ex Jesuit propounding the theory of a Flat Earth.

There is no such thing as an ex Marine. Once a Marine always a Marine. There is no such thing as an ex Goldman Sachs. There is no such thing as an ex Opus Dei, and there is no such thing as an ex Jesuit.

It is all part of controlled opposition. Poisoning the well and then hijacking the system. If there were an X, he would be dead. It comes with the package. Ask Scalia.

The same goes for Islam. Some “X” Jesuits claim that the Vatican created Islam. But the truth is more likely that if they had a hand in it at all, it was to delete certain texts, as they did with the early Christian texts or to corrupt the original teachings. By saying that they created it, instead of infiltrating and corrupting it, they take ownership. Smart trick. And as I keep repeating, the Pope misguidedly believes that he owns the planet, all bodies on the planet and all souls.

A recent comment on one of my articles was most enlightening, and supports a corruption of the original teachings:

“What you also may want to look into is the possibility that the Vatican and/or Khazarians murdered Mohammed and hijacked the Muslim religion on Mohammed’s journey from Mecca to Medina. The more peaceful Mecca Koran verses appear to have a different ‘author’ from the less tolerant Medina Koran verses.

Books that explicitly state the “Medina Verses Are Not from Mohammad or Allah” hypothesis are “Mission for Mohammad and Islam” by Iranian nuclear engineer Armen Saginian (Books 1 & 2). Saginian credibly states that Mohammad “was murdered in Mecca and never reached Medina” and that “Koranic Verses of Medina are neither his words nor the words of Allah.” Book 1 intro at Google Books.

Shortly after Mohammad’s death and especially more recently, Brits & others regularly used the more violent Medina Koranic Verses to spur Muslims to wars, assassinations, chaos, conflicts & confusion…”

Mecca-3Some time ago, a Muslim friend chided me for not including Islam in my articles.

My response was that I am really not qualified, and I am not. This would take me another lifetime of study. However, after having read the Koran, I did come to one conclusion, a conclusion that if I am correct, is supported by research from Armen Saqiniian.

Mohammad’s  life has two distinct phases. Before the so-called “attempt”on his life and after the so-called “attempt” on his life. Prior to this, he was more of a Ghandi figure; he had good relations with Jews and Christians and his whole message was one of peace. He was also monogamous. Which would equate with the Mecca verses.

Subsequent to it his message is one of violence and the sword, with verses that damn Jews and Christians. He becomes polygamous. Which would equate with the Medina verses.

Justifying criminal acts of war and aggression in present time — as has been the case with the horrors of Wahhabi ISIS and all those who have trained, supported, paid for and armed them, on texts that date from over 1,000 years ago and what is more, might have been corrupted — is quite frankly, irresponsible and downright genocidal.

Saqiniian says of himself:

“It was and is the intent of this effort to affect a closure to religious carnage and hatred. I have concluded my MISSION. I have segregated Mecca and Medina Verses. I have published them in two books. I have delivered Mohammad’s message to you. It is up to you to read them and draw your conclusion. Was it a hallucination or revelation (epiphany)?”

Intelligent study, accurate science, proper interpretation of texts, coupled with archeological evidence and carbon dating, can only lead us to the truth, no matter how hard that truth might be to accept, as it overturns our brainwashed and preconceived notions. But then power and money most of the time relies on propaganda, lies and deceit and, if anything, scientific study is their enemy.

God by whatever name you may or maybe not call it or even believe in it, is by nature truthful. We should have no fear in seeking the truth, even when we take a wrong turn. At least we are seeking.

And that is part of the journey. So is forgiveness, if we happen to miss the mark on occasion. If I am wrong I know I will be forgiven, because I am searching for the truth, and I never stop knocking at that door, and I never will. I would rather dance and fall than not dance at all.

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Franco – Time Magazine

In previous articles, I have explored the Vatican’s covert support of corporate fascist police states.

Today the Zionist state of Israel is a fascist police state. Saudi Arabia is a fascist police state. Turkey has become a fascist police state and the USA under the guidance of the Nazi Bush family from Prescott on down through the CIA and Allen Dulles has become a fascist police state imposing this ideology on other countries in South America, Africa and the Middle East. Inaugurated with the murder of JFK and it’s coup de grace with 9/11.

Which brings me to an interview published in Science Insider: How the Franco dictatorship destroyed Spanish science. In the introduction, which should immediately set alarm bells ringing,  Tania Rabesandratana (emphasis mine) says:

“Francisco Franco ruled over Spain from 1939 until his death in 1975. His nationalist, authoritarian regime had a brutal grip on the country’s political and cultural life—but also on science, according to Education, science and ideology in Spain (1890–1950), a recent book published in Spanish. In it, Manuel Castillo Martos and Juan Luis Rubio Mayoral show that Francoism smothered research and relied on Opus Dei, a conservative Catholic institution, to police academic life.”

What we have here is the flat earth society, Franco and Opus Dei. I do not know if I believe in Darwin’s theories, I cannot judge. So far, there is no conclusive evidence either way to make a definite decision. There is still the missing link, and there is still evidence of civilizations more advanced than we are that existed thousands of years ago. Castillo Martos says in the interview:

“The Franco regime defended the literalism of the Bible, which was considered an infallible account, inspired by the word of God. Scientific ideas that contradicted it, such as Darwinist evolution, were considered unacceptable. For example, in the last years of Francoism, religious censors prohibited science broadcaster Félix Rodríguez de la Fuente from using the phrase “the sea, the cradle of life” on public television.”

And so we return to Hypatia, Copernicus and Galileo. Almost 2,000 years of censorship.

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Hypatia and ancient Alexandria - poster of 'Agora' film

Hypatia and ancient Alexandria – poster of ‘Agora’ film

With or without Darwin:

As with the buffalo, which was an inherent part of their society and was seen as a god by the Native Americans, but was not Wakan Tanka, the Great Spirit, so Jehovah in Genesis 2 is like the buffalo, but is not the Elohim, the Great Spirit of Genesis 1.

If the story line in Genesis 2 is proved to be based on an island paradise in the middle of a river or fertile area, and where their major industry was pottery made from clay, then it would come as no surprise that, like Khnum on the island of Elephantine, their god was the potter god of their own hands, creation and imagination.

The buffalo is a lessor “god” of the earth, it does not have a place in the heavens but the on plains and is relevant to a particular group of people. It is not universal. Which the Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka is.

Jehovah is a lessor “god” of the earth, does not have a place in the heavens but on the banks of a river, and is relevant to a particular group of people. It is not universal which the Great Spirit, Genesis 1 is.

Yeshua says:

Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name.

He does not say:

Jehovah which art on the river bank, messing around with mud pies.

The political spin off from exposing the very primitive foundations of the latter would be that the power that the Vatican has wielded over society with its bigoted attitude towards women, original sin and a church that is now running rampant with pedophiles as a result, as well as the “Jewish” whatever that is, belief that they are the “chosen race,” would literally crumble back to dust. Perhaps it is time that both concepts did.

What should be clear is that hopefully, as we evolve to a more civilized future with the help of scientific study, now more than ever, we also need to be able to bravely step forward and search for the truth. Confront the fact that the Old Testament, the New and the Koran have conflicting philosophies that have created cognitively dissonant societies. These societies have turned in on themselves and become destructive, rather than harmonious and in synchronicity with the laws that govern the universe, the heavens or the Great Spirit.

A recent article that touched me very deeply was “After the Prophet,” by Hamza Haidar.  I would like to end this article with a quote from his:

“Sheikh Hassan reminds Muslims that ‘do you not think?’ is mentioned in the Holy Quran more times than ‘do you not believe?’

 


 

  1. I have a Zulu friend called Indaba. Indaba means the meeting place. Indaba has now become the head of the family. As the head of the family, he is the meeting place for all his relations. He father named him Indaba for this reason. Indaba not surprisingly has not only grown up to embody his name, but he has lived up to his name. He has developed the ability to arbitrate between two people and listen to their disputes. He listens to both sides and hears what they have to say, more often than not finding a real solution to the problem that has arisen.

    Jesus is a Greek translation of the name Joshua. Joshua is the Latin for the Hebrew Yehoshua. It means “Yah saves.” Jesus in the New Testament was named after Joshua in the Old Testament. In the Old Testament Joshua led the Hebrews into the New Kingdom when they crossed the river Jordan. Both the New Kingdom and the river Jordan are central themes in the New Testament. Joshua in the Old Testament dedicated the people to the law are Mount Gerizim. In the New Testament Jesus gives us a new law, to love one another. Joshua in the Old Testament saved his people from a life of wandering in the wilderness and joined them together into a nation. In the New Testament people are saved by being Baptised in the river Jordan and saved through the life and death of Jesus. Joshua in the Old Testament is descended from Joseph. In the New Testament Joseph is the father of Jesus. In the Old Testament Joshua is a Ephraimite, blessed by Israel as the Firstborn and in Jeremiah 31 is called by the Lord, his firstborn. In the New Testament Jesus is called the son of God.

 


Further Reading:

Damascus, The Anti-Christ and Armageddon

Jesus Was A Palestinian

TPP: $3.5 Trillion Stolen, Gold Price Rigging, Colour Revolutions and hanging out with BRICS

Color Revolution US Embassy Intrigue South African Style

The People versus Goldman Sachs

Scalia, the Illuminati, the Jesuits and the Vatican and Mocking Bird Media Rupert Murdoch’s Boss

Criminal Bankers and Military Industrial Complex

Two Subjects Nobody Wants To Discuss. Religion And Politics


Katherine Frisk is a freelance writer, political commentator, activist and the author of Jesus Was A Palestinian


 

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  1. James Robert Coyle  April 9, 2016 at 11:03 am

    Thank you, Katherine, for all that you have shared with me.
    Gratefully,
    Jim

  2. ayelyahbenjamin  March 19, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    Ive waded through too much religion to strain the gnat and gulp the camel…..Jacob was called Israel throughout Genesis… Jacob’s “other” name given to him after wrestling with “an-other” in a “supernatural” experience ……. israel was not a location rather a person, …. The so-called land “inheritance” of the 12 sons of Jacob were never “inherited” but taken through casting of lots well after Jacob or Israel was buried…… Israel on his death bed was not giving out any land inheritances, but speaking into the future at a now time …….. Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. “…… and with a whole new way to see…… this “LORD talking to Moses” was too convenient for too much and a load of crap ….Today the name of Israel ( not a plot of land) taken without any authority to do so and used as a cover for imposters ,Rothschilds Establishment, a mission creep land theft spanning 2 Worlds Wars and beyond…there is no return to a land inheritance that never was……if it is from “God” look at the fruit it bears, its God is evil to the core of lies it sprung from…. what you see is what you get

    • Katherine Frisk  March 20, 2016 at 12:27 am

      Gen 49: 22 “Joseph is a fruitful vine, a fruitful vine near a spring, whose branches climb over a wall. With bitterness archers attacked him; they shot at him with hostility.But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, because of your father’s God, who helps you, because of the Almighty, who blesses you with blessings of the skies above, blessings of the deep springs below, blessings of the breast and womb. Your father’s blessings are greater than the blessings of the ancient mountains, than the bounty of the age-old hills. Let all these rest on the head of Joseph, on the brow of the prince among his brothers.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 20, 2016 at 12:37 am

      And then SHILOH came: Judges 21 : 19 But look, there is the annual festival of the Lord in Shiloh, which lies north of Bethel, east of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem, and south of Lebonah.

      There the tabernacle is kept and at Shiloh, Joshua the first Judge of Israel great grandson of Joseph, and grand son of Ephraim distributes the land amongst the tribes.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 20, 2016 at 4:35 am

      Jeremiah 31: 9 & 10 – They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel’s father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son. “Hear the word of the Lord, you nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: ‘He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.’

    • Katherine Frisk  March 20, 2016 at 4:38 am

      John 14: 9 – Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

      1 John 4 : 15 – Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

      Matthew 26: 63 – But Jesus kept silent. Then the high priest (Caiaphas a Levite) said to Him, “By the living God I place You under oath: tell us if You are the Messiah, the Son of God!”

    • Katherine Frisk  March 20, 2016 at 9:37 pm

      Matthew 22 _44- The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

  3. Amelius  March 19, 2016 at 8:29 am

    “There is still the missing link,”

    There are millions of “missing links”. If we really came from apes, there would not be just one example of a transitional species found in the fossil record. There would be millions of examples. Darwinism is one of the most disastrous ideologies adopted by any establishment. Survival of the fittest and might equals right are justified with this archaic theory. Human progress happens with cooperation, not competition. Not only that, but the theory attempts to present the illusion that there is no creative spirit. The idea of even a single living cell being created by chance and random genetic mutations, is about the same chances you have at having a tornado rip through your shed and assemble you an FI race car out random nuts and bolts. If science accepts that we live in a cause and effect reality, than there is no room for random. Every effect has its cause and random is only used by science because it’s easier on the ego than admitting they don’t understand why certain things happen. Darwinism is an insult to any thinking persons intelligence.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 10:40 am

      I think it is a distraction as the “Reptiles”are today.Keeps little minds busy and off the real issues.

    • Amelius  March 19, 2016 at 1:06 pm

      Yeah, I must admit, I’ve not invested very much time or effort into investigating the reptilian issue. I will say though, that many of the atrocities committed by those who are often referred to as reptilians, are often so evil that kind spirited people will have a hard time believing that humans are capable of such evil.

      In a survival of the fittest world, the political Darwinist might advocate the theft of valuable resources from defenceless third world nations by force, simply because we can. They might consider this type of action to be doing what it takes to survive. Might equals right with the political Darwinist, morality and God have no place in their discussions. In this sense, I believe Darwinism to be more than a distraction, it’s a destructive ideology that attempts to justify immoral, Godless behaviour and may lead to the extinction of our species.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      What I do not understand, is if they take all these resources, and then want to make money out of it by selling things to people, if they have killed off all the people, who are they going to make money out of at then end of it? It is all very well sitting with 1,000000 of tons of something, … but if the planet is empty, then what?

    • Eddie Devere  March 19, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      Amelius – well said! I can recommend a good little book by Mike King which demolishes the rubbish of evolution called ‘God versus Darwin’. This is what Darwin said about his own theory: “Why does not every collection of fossil remains afford plain evidence of the gradation and mutation of the forms of life. We meet with no such evidence…[However] All living things have much in common…Therefore, I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic being which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed”

      So much for the scientific method. In the Blind Watchmaker we find Richard Dawkins – surely a man has ever been more convinced of his own genius! – declaring that while we can’t find evidence of Darwinian gradualism in the fossil record it must be somewhere else!

  4. LC  March 18, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Thank you Kathrine Frisk::::

    Haven’t had chance to read whole article yet but since you started with Holy Quran & flat earth I searched for FLAT EARTH in QURAN.COM and then search for FLAT in that page. Looks like it says earth is flat!!!!

    Same verses are translated by several translators.
    Copy-paste link in browser::::

    quran.com/search?q=flat%20earth

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 12:39 am

      Maybe you should ask the Vatican about that ? 🙂

    • LC  March 19, 2016 at 2:38 pm

      OH…K!!!! Thank you. I did and:::

      Vatican sent this over to pull up & watch in
      YouTube::::
      BEST of Flat Earth Theory, Top 10 Clips and channels

      ++ My own observation:::

      about 20 years back I visited an industrial plant on the southern coast of Sicily.
      On a sunny & clear day the guys pointed at two distant land masses. To the right they said it was Tunis & to the left it was Malta. Each was about 100 miles away.
      One guy said if there’s no haze at all you could even see Tripoli of Lybia & waive at Colonel Qaddafi!!! That was over 200 miles away!!!
      None of us then had any thoughts of earth curvature (if it were a globe) making it impossible to see across seas 200+ miles away!!!!

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 4:09 pm

      If that was true, on a clear day I should be able to see the South Pole with a telescope from here. I can’t. On a clear day you should be able to see New York from the Irish Coast with a telescope. You can’t. The south coast of Italy is not that far from North Africa so there is not that much curvature between the two points, however what it does prove is why the Vatican was always adamant that the earth was flat. The Med as far as they were concerned, was the world.

    • LC  March 19, 2016 at 8:20 pm

      From Google Map + scale @bottom right of it looks like over 300 KM distance to Tripoli but half that to Tunis

      4-5 months back I also laughed at FLAT EARTH stuff but when I saw couple of videos & pulled some stuff like Lake Michigan visible from coast to coast with 90 miles water in between I got curious & now I can’t believe in earth as globe no more!!! If I dig it deeper by end 2016 I might also be a FLAT EARTHER!!!!

      ++ Worth checkin out in
      YouTube:::
      Flat Earth – The Ultimate Litmus Test

      I only saw bits & pieces of this but couple parts interesting are:

      @ Min. 40. Nikola Tesla quote about what earth is in YouTube::::

      @52: Astorlabe===first human computer!!!! invented at least 23 centuries back in Mid-East!!!
      Astrolabe=== is this Arabic name???

      BTW::: In one of the YouTube pieces I listened a NAVY guy said with powerful telescope on ships he was able to see other ships over 100 miles away ++ with a 2 inch thick laser-like radar beam which could detect ships on water hundreds of miles away from deck of his ship + with accurate distance!!!!

    • LC  March 19, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      Here’s X-15 flying 100 KM altitude.
      Its conventional film camera captures a flat earth horizon @ Min. 11++ in
      YouTube::::
      FLAT EARTH VIEW FROM 317 000 feet – 96 km (NASA footage)

      X-15 was copy-cat of German WW-2 rocket planes
      ++ Don’t believe its bogus Mach-6 speed.

      Even Mach-2 probably impossible with any jet or rocket engines!!!! Mechanical engineers probably know that from explosion thrust force calculations proving that impossibility!!!!.

  5. Preston James, Ph.D  March 18, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    I love this article. It fills in a lot of the blanks. I also enjoyed the energetic and honest debate between Katherine Frisk and Jonas Alexis, two of my favorite authors, both heavy-hitters IMO. Keep up the great work.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 12:38 am

      As always, thanks for your support.

  6. Eddie Devere  March 18, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    And another thing…the lizard people notion was always highly suspect. It was always a gruesome Hollywood-esque diversion which apart from making gullible people who believed it sound ridiculous, was a way of making evil seem almost fictional – a Zombie-like horror movie acting as a diversion away from focusing on the actual reality of Satanist evil – pedophilia, the slave trade, the horrors of Africa and Palestine, and more. The flat earth theory does not seek to turn us away from these horrors – indeed today’s leading exponent Eric Dubay asks his readers and listeners to focus very much on these evils, while also explaining how the rolling ball earth fiction has been so important in altering our god-centered metaphysics and turning us into the consumerist zombies we have become.

  7. Altimometer  March 18, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    13 is not an unlucky number.13th sign of the zodiac, Ofucus. Trickery is the m o of the matrix with their gods in the astral.??

  8. Eddie Devere  March 18, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    I find myself in agreement with Jonas! Contrary to Ms Frisk’s view, Copernicus did not “prove” anything. What his model provided was a basis for explaining apparent anomalies in the existing Ptolemaic system. But that doesn’t mean his model was correct, or that the apparent anomalies can’t be explained in other ways.

    And Jonas is correct about Galileo. What Ms Frisk seems unwilling to countenance is the notion that the story of his recanting as an understandable response to the threats of the Inquisition sounds very much like the kind of historical narrative we are fed from birth, along with stories of Nazi gas chambers, moon landings, Iraqi WMDs, and the round spinning ball earth hurtling through space.

    Ms Frisk wants us to believe that she has this unique insight into exactly who the controlled opposition is – yet right from the start of her article she uses the favorite tools of the paid shill: ridicule to silence dissenters on the margins; ridicule which conveniently avoids the arguments. This strongly suggest she is part of a new controlled opposition front.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 12:36 am

      Consider this. Unlike Jonas and his supporters, I have no need or desire to mosy over to his articles or rally an army of my friends to do so, and attempt to discredit him or his work, or make sweeping statements, which I could do by the way, about him being controlled opposition and incapable of writing an original article with his own conclusions without having to use copious amounts of references and other peoples conclusions to substantiate his points. As for Galileo, Jonas on the other hand is unwilling to expose the very real horrors of the Inquisition and the manner in which they took care of anyone who threatened their authority, or the trauma that this caused and still causes today. Any testimony that is obtained under duress is always suspect. Jaque De Molay is another case in point. Finally after 800 years the Vatican recanted and publicly admitted that he had been falsely accused and was in fact innocent even though they roasted him alive in front of Notre Dame. After 1,000 years of persecution of thousands if not millions under similar circumstances, I have to wonder how much research has in fact been destroyed and not made available to humanity because it did not comply with the Opus Dei ideology which adheres to the literalism of the Bible?

    • Eddie Devere  March 19, 2016 at 7:13 pm

      Ms Frisk – I don’t know whether you are a paid shill or not but assuming you are not you seem intent on using the classic shill tactics of ridicule and diversion! Flat earthers you tell us are people with ‘little minds’ easily diverted from reality. When LC’s points to an evidence that the earth cannot be the round ball of the dimensions we are all taught you dismiss it with an absurdity about not being able to see the South Pole with a telescope (and irrelevant persiflage about the Catholic world of the Mediterranean). Have your tried? How big was your telescope? Did you achieve enough elevation to ensure your line of sight was clear of any mountainous obstructions or obstructions from waves? Assuming your telescope was not powerful enough to see the “south pole” how far did you see – are you not able to see that this confounds the globe earth? Or if you are disinclined to actually employ the scientific method of actually pointing a telescope, perhaps as you have lived in South Africa you are familiar with the fact that on a clear day Reunion Island can be seen from Mauritius, 227 klm away – how is that?

    • Eddie Devere  March 19, 2016 at 7:20 pm

      And just finish my previous post Ms Frisk…

      The ‘little minds’ aren’t the flat-earthers but people trapped in a metaphysic created by the cabal’s monstrous fraud which generates the meaninglessness of modern life, who despite the glaring lies of the round spinning ball earth hoax – just look at the NASA lies! – refuse to countenance it for fear of being ridiculed. Far better to be like you and be the one doing the ridiculing! Far from being a distraction from realities of the world, realization of the ball earth hoax is a liberation which allows one to see those horrors with far greater clarity from the deadening untruth of the modern scientism of the global cabal, along with, incidentally, the rubbish of evolution. Darwin quite explicitly says he argues by analogy – and more recently Richard Dawkins defense of Darwinian gradualism is based on the conjecture that gradualism we don’t see in the fossil record must have occurred mysteriously somewhere else! Neither heliocentrism or evolution employ the scientific method.

    • LC  March 21, 2016 at 8:39 pm

      Eddie::: No worries::::

      Cognitive Dissonance is everybody’s problem & is explained in cartoons here by copy-paste of link in browser::::

      indiemusiclounge.com/video/2q1dv4a56e8/simply-psychology-cognitive-dissonance.html

  9. drbhelthi  March 18, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    I find this article to be reasonably comprehensive and very interestingly written. Numerous ideas of a contrasting nature are touched on, in a manner that is not parallel with the religious values, social concepts and scientific ideation of all who have responded with critiques. I read the article as having been compiled by the author after much study and deliberation and which reflects the conclusions at which the author arrived. The conclusions belong to the author, not me. However, for me the validity of the author´s concepts is cemented by the accurate references to the family of the alias, George H. W. Bush, and to the Monsanto monstrosity. Not being a constituent of a religio-politico organization that claims to be specially chosen by “God” and who express themselves as thought supernumeraries to all outside their organization, I have no criticism of Mrs. Frisk´s well-written treatise. One statement of Mrs. Frisk I would have ended differently, which was dated March 18, 2016 at 2:15. “As for a Flat Earth philosophy, it is redundant and anyone who resurrects this issue and attempts to prove that is it valid, needs therapy.” From my experience, instead of the word combination, “needs therapy,” I would have written, “is beyond help.” Digressing a bit, I might make the same statement about some of the criticisms proferred against Mrs. Frisk´s treatise.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 12:20 am

      Beyond is too cruel 🙂 There is always hope isn’t there?

    • drbhelthi  March 19, 2016 at 7:46 am

      Well, Mrs. K.F., the concept of “therapy” might have a different meaning to a PhD psychologist since 1971 than it has for you.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 19, 2016 at 10:45 am

      Kindness first and foremost. If that fails, a bullet through the head.

  10. Mithera  March 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    Greatest Story never Told by Dr Lana Cantrell.

  11. Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    I am a fan of Tarpley however, his bias shows in a typical “Catholic” fashion when it is to the benefit of that establishment and he is inclined to put blame elsewhere when the spotlight falls on them. Galileo is a prime example. He also believes that the whole world should become “Catholic” and supports as many as possible being brought into the USA from South America. LaRouche is of a similar nature and Tarpley comes from that stable. What should be written on LaRouche’s tombstone is “It’s the British!” who he uses as a convenient scape goat for most things and anything with mud on it is Britains stooge, like Hitler for example, and fails to mention the involvement of Standard Oil (Rockefeller) Prescott Bush, Ford and General Motors amongst others who supported Hitler and helped bring him to power. This is a very good article on that subject: The Bush Family Saga – Airbrushed Out of History
    http://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/03/16/the-bush-family-saga-airbrushed-out-of-history/

  12. Pyotr  March 18, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    It is stated in many texts thay Alexandria was sacked upon Papal authority. The knowledge held within that depository would likely be an embarassment to the Cult of Rome. It was written that Hypatias’ torture endured for two days, and that Clamshells were used for the flensing. Malice devoid of limits. The theory of Mecca and Medina holds promise, though the real power of the Cult of Rome emerged after 740ad(Christian reckoning). The one evil site, in its “evil places” section, has an interesting perspective on Jesuit influence in Tehran. The writing even suggests that Irans’ Ayatollah was put in place by the French intelligence services.
    I find the “flat earth” debate fascinating. Probably put up as a distraction. But very entertaining.
    Your search for truth touches me deeply: It is after all the reason we are here. Go Ms Frisk, and keep your essay and articles coming.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      Thanks for the thumbs up. I have a theory, still working on it. Another women was torn to pieces in much the same way. Pope Joan at roughly the same period in history. In Conjunction with this we have the Khazars “disappearing” and moving into western Europe. There certainly seems to be a major change which finally culminated in the sacking of Constantinople. We also have Ireland brought under the control of Rome during the same period. What was important about this event was that prior to this the Old Testament was taught freely in the Gaelic countries. Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales. But the main trust of Papal authority was legal more than religious. The reason that they abolished the Old Testament was because Rome promoted trial by ordeal, not a trial where the accused is entitled to self defense and witnesses. They would be accused and all they could say was that they did or did not do it. As seen in the Inquisition. This is possibly one of the major reasons also for the split with Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire had records of legal procedure that went back to Alexandria the Great. Joan was pro the east and was bringing Rome in aligment with them. This is a whole ‘nother ball of wax.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 1:00 pm

      Another thing to throw into the pot here, is that about the same time the Palestinian Talmud went underground and the Babylonian Talmud became the authority even over the Torah. The former like Constantinople was influenced by the Greeks, the latter like Caiaphas and the Herods, was influenced by Rome.

  13. Leif Oldhart  March 18, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Excellent article, Ms. Fisk, annotated or not, though why not try adding footnotes in the future. Actually, though, you can’t obtain most of those books anymore now that “certain parties” have bulked our public libraries.

    The rabbit hole goes very deep. To Jonas: here’s one that needs no cite, as you may use logic to determine its truth. “MAGNA CARTA is null and void.” Because… the Pope owned England because King John (and all others) ruled under the authority of the Pope; he had no authority to sign the MC, thus the agreement is void; it is only a collection of good ideas.

    What do you think of when you hear about “a right that shall not be infringed?” You ought to be wondering, “Hmmmm… I wonder what rights *have* been infringed!”

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      I put links were appropriate. So do most sites.

  14. Simpsons Donkey  March 18, 2016 at 11:11 am

    Real climate scientists don’t die off. James Hansen, the NASA scientist who first identified the greenhouse effect in the 1980s, is still alive. I recommend his book, ”Censoring Science” about his trials under the Bush gang. In that book an illuminating graph shows the absolutely fixed correlation between 1. sea surface temperature, 2. sea level, and 3. atmospheric CO2 levels. These were derived from polar ice cores in Antarctica and Greenland. The fixed relationaship is proven over hundreds of millions of years. This shows the imminent danger, if CO2 should rise for any reason.
    People who are obsessed with politics miss the reality of climate change, and the only way to get an unbiased view is — Read Science. Not politics. Not philosophy. Science.

  15. paul becke  March 18, 2016 at 4:22 am

    Bravo, for at least publishing that. You have the courage, at least, of integrity, as has always been apparent, despite ignored posts.

  16. paul becke  March 18, 2016 at 4:20 am

    Katherine, I don’t know what you are gibbering about concerning Genesis – or much else, if it comes to that. But pardon me if I accept defeat in the matter in a spirit of equable resignation.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 5:26 am

      If thought creates the material world in which you live, rather than your thoughts being the result of the material world in which you live, then he who controls the narrative controls the programming for your thoughts. Like a computer. By controlling the narrative in the minds of people you will control the resulting effects in the material world. This is why TV is so powerful. It brainwashes people into thinking through symbolic language what their thought process must be and the kind of thoughts that will occupy their minds. They in turn will act out this narrative in their daily lives. Genesis 2 has had this impact on western thinking for over 2,000 years. While Genesis 1 has been by and large ignored. The major differences between the first and the second, is that “God”is a) Universal b) Masculine and feminine. c) All human beings are created together male and female all race groups d) They are created with in the symbolic seven day process. Consider if this narrative had instead been emphasized over 2,000 years while Gen 2 had been ignored. What would the effects be in the material world by comparison?

  17. Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 4:00 am

    Flesh, why is it that the undertone of your conversations is always confrontational rather than a discussion? And you wonder why people get irritated with you. I gave you my opinion I also pointed out to you that every time anyone replies to you, you are taking their energy and you expect them to willingly give it to you even when you are insulting? take this one: “Don’t you feel embarrassed by your stereotype presentation which implies you prostitute your mind?”Let me put it this way, this is the last time I will prostitute my time answering you . Ok?

  18. EthnoGerman  March 18, 2016 at 3:57 am

    Once I tried to read the Bible. I started as a blank sheet of paper; at least I tried to do so, tried to read the stories in the book like I am reading them for the first time and never had heard of them before. I stopped somewhere after the first third of the Old Testament. I was upset and very angry. What a book of horror!
    Read only the story of Joseph, one of the famous stories of the blessed by god (I mean Jahwe) they taught me in school. This is a blueprint to loot and enslave a hole nation! This is a blueprint for capitalism gone wild!
    Jahwe was a tent idol of Abraham, a demon with ambitions. The first books of the bible are all about the career of a demon of the desert to become the one and only god. It is all written in the book in clear words. If you read these words without two thousand years of scholastic interpertations in mind, there will be no doubt left why our world is in this mess today.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 4:26 am

      Suggestion if you could even still be bothered. Get a piece of paper, draw a line through the middle. On the Left hand side write Genesis 1. On the right hand side write Genesis 2. Then tabulate the differences between the two stories. These two stories are the blue print for the rest of the Bible. Polar opposites from many different authors throughout a long period of time, including texts like the Ten Commandments, Proverbs, Psalms and the Song of Songs that they took from Egyptian literature. They are similar to the Democrats and the Republicans. Labour and the Tory party. It is so embedded into our thinking that it shapes every aspect of our lives. Almost every story in the Bible has two versions, that differ to varying degrees. And in most instances they contradict each other. What most people have been told is that they must believe that both stories are valid. The fact that the one cancels the other one out is never considered and when it is you are told to take it on faith. Which basically makes you insane, which is what the world is today.

  19. paul becke  March 18, 2016 at 3:21 am

    The certainties of empirical science, qua classical reductionist physics, i.e at the scale of the mostly-unaided human senses, formerly believed to be all-embracing, were well and truly ‘knocked on the head’ by the discovery of physics at the quantum/micro level, ‘quantum mechanics’.

    Philosophers of science have replaced the formerly-hegemonic concept of ‘objectivity’ with the concept of ‘intersubjectivity’. This can only mean – and it is the only inference that accords with the established facts of quantum physics – that we each live in a little world of our own, integrated and coordinated with those of God’s other children. We came into this world, alone. We leave it, alone. Thus, a certain Jewish mystic was well ‘ahead of the eight-ball’, when he opined that when a person dies, a whole world dies with him.

    What is beyond laughable is the pig-headed obstinacy and wilful blindness of scientism’s materialists, who cut the ground from under their own feet, when, in their insensate desperation, they claim that matter precedes mind ! That we bear no responsibility for our actions and motivations, being, in effect, helpless automatons, mere random (I kid you not ) aggregations of electrons ! And we, never mind they – are supposed to believe their thoughts are worth a cracker ?

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 3:39 am

      Isn’t that what brainwashing is about? So that the general population thinks in a certain direction and then creates that reality for themselves and the people who have brainwashed them? Genesis 2 is a perfect example. It has created an all male principle of creation, bigots who blame women for everything that is wrong in the world because it is all “her” fault that daddy threw them out of the house, and a racist society. That chapter alone has been responsible for so much suffering in the world.But of course nobody is responsible for this right? Who is to blame? Some phantom ghost writer who wanted to make more money out of his pottery shop no doubt. Gotta buy a pot, it will save your soul!

  20. Jozsef V.  March 18, 2016 at 2:01 am

    So, Franco was anti-science because he didn’t approve of Darwin’s hypothesis of “evolution”?
    Treating the HYPOTHESIS of “evolution” as if it was established fact did much harm to humanity, especially in two areas:
    1. Evolutionist mindset is the foundation of human racism which regards black Africans, Asians, Papua-New Guineans… (the list is almost endless) as inferior races that can be enslaved, exploited, mass murdered, and even exterminated without shame or guilt.
    2. The creation and use of GMOs without proper and extensive safety tests.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 2:32 am

      I would argue that the “Evolution ” hypothesis was conjured up in order to justify racism, specifically against people of colour. Racism has a long history going back thousands of years. The Bible belt justifies racism based on Noah cursing Ham. But Noah did not curse Ham he cursed Canaan the father of the Canaanites. A Semitic people. At the same time the Bible belt totally rejects evolution theory. In African society Albino children are rejected. They have fair skin, blue eyes and white hair. Africans believe that their children are now returning, (Europeans) and punishing them for rejecting them centuries ago. This could very well be the case and the origins of the Europeans. Though I am sure some of them would not be too comfortable with that idea. Albino children in Africa suffer from terrible sunburn. Moving to a cooler climate where the sun is less harsh would be beneficial. There is a possibility that Albinos gathered together in communities and at some stage migrated further north where the climate would be more beneficial. I still think the jury is out on Darwin, and I would not rule out beastiality into this mix.

  21. Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    As Jones et al require sources here is a list for their scholarly pursuits. Enjoy the journey.
    The Tomb of God- Andrew, Richard & Schellenberger; The Virgin- Geoffrey Ashe; The Kabbalah Connection- Berg; The Dead Sea Scrolls Millar Burrows; Solving the Mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls- Edward Cook; Jews, God and History- Max Dimont; The Secret Books of the Egyptian Gnostics- Jean Doresse; The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered- Robert Eisenman & Michael Wise; Noah’s Ark – David Fasold; But She Said- Fiorenza; The Passover Haggadah- Glatzer; The Hittites – Gurney; In the Blood, God Genes and Destiny- Steve Jones;Gods of the Earth -Michael Jordan; Dictionary of Beliefs and Religions- Larousse; The Lost Gospel of Q – Burton L. Mack; The Nag Hammadi Library Robinson; A Test of Tom. The Bible – From Myth to History; The Book Of J- Rosenberg; The Essene Odyssey – Schonfied;

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 6:56 pm

      The Hidden Scrolls- Silberman; The Secret Gospel- Morton Smith; Wrinkles In Time- Smoot & Davidson; Born of Woman- Spong; The Gospel of the Essenes- Szekely, Bordeaux & Edmond.

      This is a partial list. Entering into a debate is like arguing the geographical layout of Greece and saying it is invalid because it is not the same as the geographical layout of Rome.

    • Jonas E. Alexis  March 17, 2016 at 7:57 pm

      I am amazed by the response provided here. A number of bold statements have been made in the article and we are all asking for a genuine interaction which would be educational to VT readers and others interested in these matters. Statements such as “Galileo was accused of being a heretic by the Inquisition,” “He was sentenced to house arrest for the rest of his life” and “His publication Dialogue was banned” are categorically and historically misleading.

      Then we hear this: “An ex Jesuit propounding the theory of a Flat Earth.” These are statements seem to resonate within a deep historical misconception, and a scholarly interaction would weigh the strengths and weaknesses of both positions. But that is obviously impossible because we are told that “Entering into a debate is like arguing the geographical layout of Greece and saying it is invalid because it is not the same as the geographical layout of Rome.” I am so glad that much of the academic world does not abide by this principle.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 8:32 pm

      Your own reply discredits you. I suggest you re-read it.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 8:51 pm

      I hope this is “academic”enough for you. There is a link in this paragraph ““The Inquisition found that the idea of the Earth’s movement “receives the same judgement in philosophy and… in regard to theological truth it is at least erroneous in faith” The original document from the Inquisitorial commission was made widely available in 2014.” On the words: original document. Here is the link: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.6168.pdf

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 11:30 pm

      Firstly in defense of Jonas and myself, even though we are both on completely different pages, realistically, this article has taken me over 25 years to write. That is my time, my money and my life. This particular page took me between 11.30 pm and 11. 30 am to write. From the first word to the last pagination. That is another 12 hours of my life, my time and my money. Writing this is costing me more time, money and my life. I do not mind answering question, but when I have left information in the article itself and readers instead of following up on it choose to make comments and demand more of my time and be spoon fed, I get a bit impatient. This article and my comments comes free of charge. I am not selling anything. I am not being paid. If you do not like it, it has cost you noting in the first place.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 11:32 pm

      Your questions.
      1. As I said in this article: “Some time ago, a Muslim friend chided me for not including Islam in my articles.
      My response was that I am really not qualified, and I am not. This would take me another lifetime of study. ” As to what language it was originally written in, there appears to be a controversy on this issue. Like the Dead Sea Scrolls in order to resolve it, a study needs to be made in conjunction with carbon dating and textual analysis. I have yet to find such a definitive study. I have to rely on English translations and much can get lost in translation and perspective.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 11:32 pm

      2. I think the whole Reptilian thing is a hoax on two scores. Firstly we have what they have decided to call a “reptilian brain.” Through malnutrition, bad education or trauma, a child growing up does not develop higher emotional a discerning capabilities. They function from a “reptilian”mindset. Secondy In the case of MKultra this is used on purpose to traumatize to the point where they develop a “reptilian”mindset. Emotionally dead and incapable of acting with concern for the welfare of others. Born killers.In other words, the reptiles are us, depending on our life circumstance. The scaly ones are an MKultra hoax.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 11:34 pm

      3. As VT has reported on a number of occasions the Russians have satellite and other evidence that can prove the 9/11 was an inside job and that nukes were used to bring those towers down. Russia has also asked for the original film of the Moon landing. The answer they got was that is was “lost.” An answer that nobody believes for one minute. The inference is that Russia does know the answer and the question was sarcastic.

    • Jonas E. Alexis  March 18, 2016 at 1:32 am

      Please understand that some of these issues have been thoroughly discussed for years, and they are not as black and white as implied here. I too once believed that they were, but there are nuances and parameters that need to be teased out of this historical discussion. You may not be aware that Galileo himself, during his last few years, refuted the very thing that you said here. And a serious dialogue would have been able to flesh out our opposing views and evidence for those views. This could have been done cordially and with much respect. That is how a person can be taken seriously. I simply cannot take time to do so in a limited space here. In any event, we certainly disagree on several issues, but we do have many points of agreement, and I personally do cherish those points.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 2:15 am

      Many people under pressure from the Inquisition retracted their statements. The choice was burning at the stake or succumbing to their demands. The same thing happens at Guantanamo Bay these days so I hear. And at other CIA black sites around the world. And history as we know is written by the victors. As for a Flat Earth philosophy, it is redundant and anyone who resurrects this issue and attempts to prove that is it valid, needs therapy.

    • Jonas E. Alexis  March 18, 2016 at 3:07 am

      “Many people under pressure from the Inquisition retracted their statements. The choice was burning at the stake or succumbing to their demands.” That is precisely where I would strongly and respectfully disagree because Galileo was never given the two terrible choices you have proposed here. Second, as I have already stated, Galileo realized that he was in error at the end of his life. He recanted precisely because he realized that he was not as scientifically accurate as he thought he was, not because he was forced to do so.

      Finally, there were numerous scientists around that era who had no affiliation with the Church but who strongly disagreed with some of Galileo’s views. That would move us to some technical issues, and we certainly cannot talk about this here. Even today you will find numerous scientists who are scared to say in public that Galileo was wrong, but if you talk to them in private, they will tell you that some of these issues are not as easy as they seem to be. And this is the kicker: there are enough scientific studies out there which indicate that Galileo needs revision. These are thorny issues and require some foundation. In any event, this is my last remark. Thanks for the small interaction. I must commend you for some of the work you have been doing on Zionism.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 18, 2016 at 3:23 am

      Oh BS. .Try living under house arrest. Sometimes you have to play the fools game because it does not matter anyway and the large majority of people are too damn stupid to understand anything anyway. So why bother. Recant, live a life who cares! Yes the earth is flat, now can I get out of here! Jonas I have got better things to do, so have you. Go do them.

  22. ksp  March 17, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    Roman coin from 318 ad: Sol standing half left, radiate, nude but for cloak over shoulders, raising right hand commanding the sun to rise, globe in left hand,

  23. Edward Dodge  March 17, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    Would you include anthropogenic global warming as another example of the corruption of texts or science? Apparently, Snowden has documents that show the CIA invented global warming as far back as the 50’s.

    • Katherine Frisk  March 17, 2016 at 7:01 pm

      The more I discover about geo- engineering and weather modification the more “Global Warming”looks like the biggest scam ever pulled off in history. Real Scientists mysteriously “die off” . GMO is another example. The cover up on the poisons in Round Up is beyond criminal. But Monsanto continues to produce their so called “experts” while independent research is squashed and called invalid.

  24. Jonas E. Alexis  March 17, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    It would be nice if Ms. Frisk would agree to scholarly and rationally debate some of these issues with me at VT here in a written format that is agreeable to us both. But if no debate is forthcoming, I would highly recommend the following studies: Ronald L. Numbers, Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths about Science and Religion (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2009); Gary B. Ferngren, Science and Religion (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002); David C. Lindberg, The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, Prehistory to A.D. 1450 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1992); Edward Grant, Science and Religion, 400 B.C. to A.D. 1550: From Aristotle to Copernicus (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2004).

  25. splitter  March 17, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    I’ve red somewhere that Yahweh or whatever is an Old Hebrew Demon of War… Not sure but could cover lots of things happening all through the “history”

    You know when priests and coterie wisely elucidate: The greatest success of Satan/Devil/Demon is to trick you that it doesn’t exist – they’re lying.

    The utmost achievement of that kind of entity (War demon?) is to convince people that it is a Dear God; so everybody prays to it, and it gladly respond with which it is entitled: WAR all over the place!

    Spread the word – although posted equates emitted! Checked!

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