Stand Strong Against Anti-Science Forces

[ Note: This Saturday, in Washington DC, the March for Science will kick off at 9 AM with a teach-in and rally and end with a march through the streets of DC.

Co-hosted with the Earth Day Network, the rally will be a call for politicians to implement science-based policies, as well as a public celebration of science and the enormous public service it provides in our democracy, our economy, and our daily lives. ]

By Stephanie Nakhleh, for the L.A. Monitor

First published April 18, 2017

This Saturday, April 22, people from all over northern New Mexico will gather in Santa Fe in support of science. As the event organizers put it, “The March for Science champions science as a pillar for the advancement of human knowledge, progress and prosperity. We unite on April 22, Earth Day, as a diverse, nonpartisan group to call for the freedom of science in the interest of the common good, and for political leaders and policymakers to enact evidence-based policies in the public interest.” …

Respect for science as the best means of acquiring objective knowledge has been dwindling for some time.

Attacks come from the left in the form of postmodernism, which holds that there is no such thing as objective truth, that perception is all that matters, and that belief/opinion is as good as fact. Modern journalism (my own industry) has fallen prey to this line of thinking and has been particularly complicit in undermining science, giving equal weight to science and science denialism, as if there is no way to know which side is correct.

Attacks on science come from the right in the form of authoritarianism. What matters more than evidence, in this view, is what authority says—whether that authority is speaking from the pulpit, from the boardroom, or from the Oval Office.

Because they come from the left and the right, attacks on science can’t be said to be partisan. But they are political, because how science translates to public policy (whether we’re talking vaccines, climate change, or GMOs) is always political.

Since the Enlightenment, humans have made leaps forward in progress not because of ideology, but because of scientific inquiry. Science is a tool, and as a tool it can be misused. But there has been no better tool to lead humans out of darkness and ignorance than science. The 21st century has seen the world sliding backward as people increasingly turn to ideology and reject science. Our political leaders and our media have worked together to cast doubt about the efficacy of science and even the existence of facts and truth, and we cannot allow this regression to continue.

Our town, Los Alamos, was founded on the principle of scientific progress in the face of blind, destructive, world-shattering ideology… You can’t expect your science to remain safe if you are silent. Science is in need of defense, and I hope to see you out there defending it on Saturday. The March for Science is a way to stand strong in the face of anti-science forces that threaten… our planet, our children, and our future.

Editing: Erica P. Wissinger

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  1. wjabbe  April 22, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/22/march-for-science-bill-nye-rallies-thousands-in-dc-amid-threat-trump-budget-cuts.html \
    “Nye told The Guardian earlier this week that scientists should unapologetically throw themselves into the political fray as Trump’s administration seeks to dismantle large areas of scientific endeavor, from cancer research to climate analysis.” What does Nye think about Sandy Hook, 9/11/01 and all the other false flag events by government? He has clammed up. The government cancer research for the past 50 years is a dismal failure. He is evidently ignorant of the seminal discoveries decades ago by Otto H. Warburg M.D., Ph.D. along with the ignorant and corrupt cancer generals. The cancer generals should be fired and jailed.

  2. Cosmodrome  April 20, 2017 at 5:59 am

    Just for the record: mathematics and equations cannot prove reality, at best it can help to communicate it; computer simulations and modelling cannot prove reality, they are just simulations; building a consensus is not science, it is politics. Many a naturalist/scientist has had to go against the consensus. Religion of the ancient world had much more science/truth to it than today’s religions. Since the notorious Papal Bull Unam Sanctam the Roman religion has become more and more like a cult, and its purpose became to keep people in ignorance and enslavement. We live in a time when cultish religiosity is rampant and largely divorced from truth/science/reality. This has greatly aided the KM to take root in and advantage of the Western world.

    • Cosmodrome  April 20, 2017 at 5:34 pm

      Yes, Senecat, that is the right way round. Maths and geometry can define (conceptually) some aspects of reality, whilst reality, the real world, is always the starting point. Mathematics strictly subservient to reality! It may sometimes help to take further steps in understanding reality, but it can also become unhinged. Big Bang, black holes, dark matter, multitude of unseen particles should all be confined to where they belong, which is speculations based on mathematics (not reality). Until the day when we can observe them directly they are just theories and speculation, nothing more. Most of them will be proven wrong before too long, I think, and some names will become footnotes only.

  3. gintarasgircys  April 19, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    Will the science stand firm in showing the dangers of GMOs?

  4. JohnZ  April 19, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    The problem with religion is that it distorts people’s thinking. They can’t think rationally. If you want to see a good example of that kind of thinking just consider Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman, the Beavis and Butthead of American politics, whose minds have been so warped by religion they can’t think straight.
    We need answers to problems like Autism and why children are not getting a decent education. Why there has been no cure for cancer for all the money spent and false claims. Why we are stuck with using coal, gas and oil and dangerous nuclear energy.
    We need to find a way to stop young unwed mothers from flushing newborns down a toilet or into a dumpster. We need to find rational solutions to the problems that plague this planet and allow humanity to move forward.
    It will not be solved by believing in demons, witches and and that according to Sarah Palin, who believes she will see Jesus return in her lifetime. Someone who anxiously awaits for the mushroom clouds over humanity.
    It will not be solved by xtian dispensationists who have a hard on for nuclear armageddon and a crazed looney tunes belief in the rapture. It will not be solved by televangelists claiming hurricanes and 9/11 are god’s punishment for homosexuality. These problems will not be solved by any of these people. They will only make them worse.

    • Eduardo  April 19, 2017 at 9:08 pm

      Change is all we need JohnZ – starting with ourselves. Only an open mind and heart is required and that is difficult enough with seemingly unlimited versions of truth coming from all directions. In the meantime it is business as usual by our controlling elite. The shekels are coming in from all sites.
      Science is also a version of one of the the mother ships of science: Rockefeller University. When researching the origin of the Spanish flu One will come across a theory, a version of truth that it originated in army trainings camps in US before the troops embarked to fight in Europe. Once the virus did spread in Europe the newly founded R.U. had no problems to come up with a patent and an vaccine.
      Another version of science today is Tesla Industries run by another successful Jewish American entrepreneur. Compared to the original Nikola Telsa “futuristic” science incl free energy, Elon Musk is the complete opposite with the only goal of profiteering in the name of science.
      To make America great again it would be very helpful to first discard the parasites feeding on it not having them run the Government.

    • Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 10:12 pm

      “The problem with religion is that it distorts people’s thinking.”

      Is that why the Khazarian Mafia dropped the Atheist Bolsheviks and Soviets on Russia? Is that why revived Christian Russia is now fighting the mafiosos’ New World Order?

      “Most people here are very religious – they wear crosses, and carry rosaries; this is something you wouldn’t see in Italy. Everyone believes in their own way here. When a lady at the border learned that I was from Italy she went inside the church and brought me some holy water – this would’ve never happened in Italy… We have six icons hanging in our barrack… These fights are going to last long. This isn’t a fight for Donbass’ freedom; this is a global geopolitical showdown.”
      ~ Donbass militia member “Sardan,” 2015

      Funnily enough, Sardan also said he’s an Atheist; however, “He hasn’t been to the frontline, nor is he planning to…” Unalienable human rights must come from a power or force higher than humanity, hence the authority to protect them even at the cost of one’s life. The rights cannot come from government, money, forces of evolution, or pretentious characters on the Internet.

  5. Pat Kittle  April 19, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    CHOOSE ONE:
    1) Open borders
    2) Less CO2

  6. Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    “… those who become ill or children born with deformity are ‘God’s punishment’ for sin and wickedness.”

    To be fair, usury and greed are sins, and letting greedy usurers run you health care and industry often leads to illness and deformities…

    “I’ll take atheism any day over the kind of rubbish spewed by the frauds, charlatans and megalomaniacs that pretend to be the final and last word of God.”

    And that’s the funny thing about the Khazarian Mafiosos: They believe they can be God because they do not truly believe in God…

    • JohnZ  April 19, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      Having another Sarah Palin moment?

  7. Nephre  April 19, 2017 at 7:00 am

    I believe that this so-called “defense of science” is just another ruse by the global warming people to convince everyone that Donald Trump is singlehandedly destroying it. But that’s not true. The people destroying “science” as an enterprise are those governments and individuals (like Al Gore for example), who fund pre-established hypotheses – like global warming. The voice of science is data – period. The data speaks truth only when it is represented accurately with appropriate measures. Outcomes, per se, are supposed to be presented without bias. People who tout “consensus” are all as one in the same anti science. In fact, _consensus_ is the enemy of science. Consensus is the reliance on believe and the negation of data that may refute the original hypothesis. Thus it is the IPCC who are anti-science and I have no doubt of their minions involvement in the pro-science (masked anti-Trump politics) parades being orchestrated as we speak. What a bunch of trash.

    • Nephre  April 19, 2017 at 7:01 am

      Minor addendum: I am a registered democrat (but I no longer vote). I have disliked Trump since first he entered my awareness. That said, the politics of the people rabidly against him nauseate me because of their dishonesty in presenting the idea that Hillary or Obama was anything better. They are all tools – every one.

  8. wjabbe  April 19, 2017 at 6:41 am

    True scientific inquiry involves a number of basic principles beginning with basic honesty and integrity and logical thinking and reasoning. The Scientific Method involves the idea that no claim is accepted as “true” until it can be exactly repeated by many different observers at many different physical locations at different times. This is a rigorous demand to establish what we mean by “truth”. However any claim is always subject to challenge and/or revision if new information so demands or errors or fraud are found in the development of the original claims. Galileo Galilei, the world’s greatest physicist, is generally credited with establishing these rigorous rules for establishing what we mean by “truth” about 4 centuries ago. It took the Catholic Church nearly 350 years to admit he was right and they were wrong about the fact that the Sun is the center of our planetary system, not the Earth as the Church has falsely claimed. As JohnZ noted above, the church nearly burned him at the stake for holding his correct opinions while they were wrong.

    • wjabbe  April 19, 2017 at 7:22 am

      Galileo Galilei died January 8, 1642 in Italy. Issac Newton, the “second” greatest physicist, was born December 25, 1642 in England. Like his predecessor Galileo Galilei, Newton made many seminal discoveries in physics. One of them is the body of knowledge called classical mechanics of bodies. He developed the concept of mass and inertia which had eluded Galileo Galilei. This theory accounts for basically all observed mechanical phenomena in our observable ordinary daily experiences. However, when detailed observations of atoms and molecules were made later, it was found that Newton’s classical theory failed to explain or account for these observations of wavelengths of light released from atoms and molecules. This led to the development of a whole new paradigm or theory called quantum mechanics which was necessary to “explain” this formerly unobserved information but this new theory reduces to the former classical mechanics theory of Newton in the limit where the scale of wave phenomena, called Planck’s constant abbreviated by h, vanishes. This is one of the most striking examples of the success of how the scientific method changed the way we look at the world and nature in the most fundamental of the sciences: physics. PHYSICS is the MOTHER science; all others are basically physics too.

    • PeterAG  April 19, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      Webster Tarpley in his “How the Dead Souls of Venice Corrupted Science” hints that Galileo’s role apart from being a scientist was also being the favourite of the Venetian plotters against the church. He apparently got crucial parts of his purported discoveries from a Venetian scientist and intel op.
      The author of the current article typically praises Enlightenment, which is a nice word, but the reality was more devious. And the picture by Leonardo above actually represents the renaissance, something the Enlightenment was intended to obfuscate. The so called enlightenment philosopher Voltaire spread pessimism in his piece about Candide and ridiculed professor Pangloss, intended as critique of Leibniz. The latter developed political economy for progress, something Voltaire was payed to battle against. The British and Venetians were Malthusians and were essentially backing antiscience in order to prevent competing nations (as well as an educated independent-minded middle class) to rise. As you know the US oligarchs have deliberately been dumbing down the public by collectivist thinking for which John Dewey was the prophet. So antiscience comes from the ruling clique.

  9. JohnZ  April 19, 2017 at 5:38 am

    We see science being used for many wrongs. Many scientists often do not consider the consequences of their research. Robert Oppenheimer, who is considered the father of the atomic bomb came to regret what he had helped to create and eventually became an activist. It is unfortunate that so many scientists often work for purposes that are less than friendly to humanity. Those that work in bio warfare labs, weapons research, mind control and research into controlling entire populations. Do these types have any regrets about their work or are they so blind they can’t see past their own arrogance? These scientists represent the evil half of science.
    Others that work for corporations like Monsanto are driven by distorted ideals, often unaware of the damage they cause.
    Scientists such as keshe offer hope in their research to make life more bearable. Hopefully his energy research will bring about the cutting of the noose around our necks from the oil, gas and coal industries and the end of newkiller power.
    Science has all too often been used for all the wrong purposes but who controls these people? Who is it that is manipulating these people into creating the false dichotomies and deceptions that attempt to control humanity?
    Consider how many of those involved in research are getting money from Washington and just how much of that is from the military, the CIA or some other clandestine deep black gang?

    • JohnZ  April 19, 2017 at 6:01 am

      The author did not mention the attacks from the religious fundamentalist groups many of whom deny the earth is round and condemn the science of cosmology as invading God’s domain. History has recorded how the Church repressed scientific inquiry for centuries for its own benefit…that is to control humanity. How it attacked Galileo for his research on our solar system and beyond, nearly condemning him to be burned at the stake.
      This is how religion treats fact: by attacking those who would dare challenge religious orthodoxy.

    • Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 8:30 am

      “This is how religion treats fact: by attacking those who would dare challenge religious orthodoxy.”

      Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”
      ~ 1 Thessalonians 5:21

      “’If I said something wrong,’ Jesus replied, ‘testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?’”
      ~ John 18:23

      So no, JohnZ, that is not “how religion treats fact” unless the religion is centered around one’s own “selfish molecules.” Seriously, do you think all these scientists would be bending to government and money if they did not leave a metaphysical power vacuum for the “gods” of Big Brother and the Almighty Dollar to fill?

    • JohnZ  April 19, 2017 at 5:23 pm

      And what’s so factual about the Bible? Nothing. All of it made up fantasy by hebrew fraudsters.
      Let’s see 400 year old men building a ship big enough to house every single living organsim on earth. check.
      Adam and Eve? check
      Jews slaying entire villages and taking the women as slaves? check.
      Jewish tribes wandering the desert for forty years drinking bad water and eating noxious plants, sacrificing infants and driving goats into the desert to take their sins away.check.
      Some guy changing water into wine. feeding the multitudes from a little basket.
      And don”t forget those long moonlit walks on the water that turn into a fishing trip with the boys.
      Oh, I almost forgot…the bloody and murderous history of western religious ideals.
      Stop wasting my time.

    • Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      “And what’s so factual about the Bible? Nothing. All of it made up fantasy by hebrew fraudsters.”

      “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’”
      ~ Matthew 15:7-9

      “As he taught, he said, ‘Beware of the scribes! They like to walk around in long robes, to be greeted in the marketplaces, and to have the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. They devour widows’ houses and say long prayers to cover it up. They will receive greater condemnation!’”
      ~ Mark 12:38-40

      So, you think a book by fraudsters is condemning fraudsters…? Are you sure you’re following your logic all the way to it’s conclusion?

      “Oh, I almost forgot…the bloody and murderous history of western religious ideals.”

      It seems you did forget that “All Wars Are Bankers’ Wars.”
      But fine. I’ll go tell real Christians and Muslims, the majority of people on the front lines against the Khazarian Mafia that keyboard commando JohnZ says they are doing it wrong… I’m sure you and your armies of the irreligious (the few who are not worshiping Big Brother and the Almighty Dollar) have got this covered…

  10. Cosmodrome  April 19, 2017 at 5:32 am

    Agree anti-science is bad. But that is not the real question, is it? The global elites do not want the masses to develop critical thinking, and in that sense they are anti-science. Then there is the uncritical acceptance of Einstein’s theories – it is a bit like a cult – are there any who see deficiencies? And then there is the funding, more and more in private corporate hands that want to steer it in certain pre-determined directions, and the military industries whose sole purpose is to develop applications of destructive power. So, the real question is: Whom does science serve? I should be so bold as to think that it needs to serve all the people of this Earth. But it ain’t so at present. And that is a real problem, don’t you think?

    • Emma Yacht  April 19, 2017 at 1:28 pm

      Cosmo, If I had two children, one brilliant and one slow, I would teach both of them via evening and weekend discussions how to question the world. I would not differentiate between them, because it is crucial that those who are vulnerable to being “led” by the more intelligent ones (through peer pressure) be able to tap into their own logical thought patterns, and stand up for their own conclusions. Humanity is probably not the sharpest tack in the ‘verse; I assume that there are more intelligent beings, but as a “critical thinker”, each human has to be able to stand up for their own conclusions, while still allowing in new data for revisions. So, your proposal that science needs to serve all the people can possibly only be achieved at the individual level. Power is never given, it is only ever taken; the controllers will not willingly relinquish control. Everyone on the sliding scale of intelligence needs to be trained in (led to) critical thinking so they can pierce the fog of deception. The benefits of a march might not immediately be felt, but plant seeds.

    • PeterAG  April 19, 2017 at 3:21 pm

      Einsteins theories have not been uncritically accepted. The italian mathematician who provided the entire rigorous framework out of which the geometric invariants in GRT were made, and applied by Hilbert who gave it to Einstein, concluded that the theory was mathematically inconsistent since the energy tensor which was supposed to be identified with the geometric part, was linear and there are no linear invariants of that kind.
      Einstein himself made a remark about the inferior status of that part of the equation, but this kind of critique is underreported.
      The thing is as long as nothing better has come up they stick to it since sofar it seems to work, sort of.
      It seems like black holes exist and the equations are at least qualitatively compatible with such creatures.

  11. Emma Yacht  April 18, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    Science includes social sciences and political science, in addition to the nexus between science and technological invention. Case in point, the keyboard warriors at VT seem happy to use computer technology that was based on and grew out of John von Neumann’s scientific theories.
    If Americans knew a smidgen of political science, perhaps there would have been a popular outcry when the START treaty was set aside for expedience. What is the outcome of that?
    So now we have a dumbed-down population, but it’s not because of science. It is partly because a significant percentage of our population isn’t able to discern what good or bad advice is, and that is based on critical thinking, and that is ultimately based on an understanding of mathematical logic and induction/deduction.

  12. Eduardo  April 18, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    There is no science! Science today is controlled and manipulated enough to cater for humanity who has not managed to use a little more then 10% of their brains. Evolution is in reverse and with dumbing down humanity AI will soon replace the last fragment of intelligence in mankind. When religion, capitalism and politics have faded there will be a chance to start anew without control, profiteering and corporatism.
    Without a complete reset of human conscience it will never happened. The brains are washed and manipulated, the physical bodies drugged and poisoned, the environment is toxic – we will need to do more then drain a swamp.
    For todays science to grasp reality would mean to discard all foundations it is built upon.

    • Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 8:07 am

      “Evolution is in reverse…When religion, capitalism and politics have faded there will be a chance to start anew…”

      Says who? If you remove altruistic religious faith, a metaphysical foundation which holds evolution is moving in reverse, then all you’re left with is Dawkins’s “no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.” With uncaring forces of evolution as a moral basis, the Khazarian Mafia is justified in doing whatever it wants with humanity’s evolution…

    • Eduardo  April 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm

      Isn’t that what is actual happening right now that the Khazarian Mafia is justified in doing whatever it wants poppadob? There is more to evolution than Dawkin.

    • PeterAG  April 19, 2017 at 3:41 pm

      Eduardo
      ‘There is more to Evolution than Dawkins’
      He is quite commonsensical and his simplification should be taken as a challenge for those who wish to prove him wrong. And DNA is complicated. It has a lot of built-in protection against unfavourable alterations.
      Not exactly like hamming code but surely sophisticated. It is smart. How did that happen? By chance?, well you cant outrule it and neither prove it. It is all about probabilities and a variety of complex environments, such as those in outer space, in the vicinity of chaotically moving bodies and gas clouds. But also such as hot sources in the oceans. It would take something like that to create the molecules of life by chance. Once life begins it makes sense that selection would be a viable road to higher life forms. But admittedly that is only qualitatively plausible.
      We dont know the nature of time. Does it go both ways? If so the future acts back on the past just like the present is assumed to cause the future. If there is such a feedback loop involved it would entail both randomness and creation and one might see it as manifestation of God as an entity beyond space and time. That is what one might expect from a superior being.

    • Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      “Isn’t that what is actual happening right now…”

      It is, Ed. I’m trying to get you to think about your foundation, your basis (your rock, as the Bible sometimes puts it) to say that the cartel is evolving humanity in reverse. After all, isn’t evolution just adaptations to environmental stimuli? Metaphorically speaking, the Khazarian Mafia is winning the game of survival of the fittest, and as the predators (or parasites), they are creating conditions where their prey (or hosts) are better adapting to their niches.

      From a purely material viewpoint (i.e. no religious or spiritual consideration), who are you to apply a reverse or forward quality to those adaptations?

    • Eduardo  April 19, 2017 at 5:38 pm

      @ Poppadop From a purely material viewpoint I would be a democrat or republican, an atheist or believer a saint or a sinner. A purely material viewpoint without spirituality is an earthly cause of death. If my base is founded upon creation there will be no choice then return to it no matter who I pretended to be in a feverish day dream called life on planet earth. This base I call my home Poppadop even though I am nothing but a shiny speck of dust.

      @ PeterAG: There are tons of stuff human science can not explain. Life is one of them. Life is simplicity not fragmentation restricting life itself with the death of a physical body. Life leads far beyond death with out restriction of earthly time or end.
      Science chops everything into pieces or tiny fragments and judges it finds death and termination but forgetting about elements not known (yet) to science. Energies not measurable, vacuums filled with invisible frequencies, chain reactions through various circumstances material or not. We, Peter still do not know ourselves, what we are made of is more then some bones and flesh. The brain being more then the 10% science thinks with.
      Meet yourself and one will meet creation and the universe. The universe is wholeness, timeless. Old renews, evolves. This is not science but untouchable universal law. It is whole and complete and untouchable creation in reality.

    • Poppadop  April 19, 2017 at 9:36 pm

      “A purely material viewpoint without spirituality is an earthly cause of death.”

      Exactly right, Ed. Even if there’s a time when “religion, capitalism and politics have faded [and] there will be a chance to start anew,” you will still end up with religious, economic, and political perspectives people have already come up with. Namely, there is an altruistic higher power, people “are endowed by [that] Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” and people like the banksters are well on the wrong side of it.

  13. Inventori  April 18, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    Really Science? Like what, GMO”s in our food, floride in our water, petrol chemical exhaust in our lungs, oil in our oceans and our waterways, poison in the vacines, military chemicals/bobmbs/intelligence,etc.
    Are you suggesting have we have confidence in the system?
    Do you now or have you ever worked for Monsanto? Exxon Mobil BP ? Coca Cola? GKS? WTF?

  14. Harry Haller  April 18, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    A difference of 20 parts per million of CO2 is causing the collapse of our planet. The science is a drawing of a greenhouse with arrows of sunrays pointing towards it. Oh golly jeez, let’s tax energy. But ignore the aerosols and HAARP.

  15. Martin Maloney  April 18, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    Note the repeated reference to “facts.”

    Science is not a collection of “facts.” Rather, it is a disciplined method of inquiry.

    As I read the article, my mind conjured up a TV news segment of the march, in which those on opposite “factual” sides of “climate change science” bashed one another over the head with their respective signs!

  16. martsiva  April 18, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    Science is often manipulated to meet wrong outcomes for those who would benefit from it, so I`ll always be on the side of caution.

  17. JimLahey  April 18, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    When scientists give us free energy, the cure for cancer and other illnesses​, stop genetically sullying our food, pushing theories like evolution as matter of fact, and stop serving the global elite by keeping us in the dark ages, I’ll join you in your silly march. Until then, I’ll view science as the religion of atheists.

    • Eduardo  April 18, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      Exactly Jim

    • JohnZ  April 19, 2017 at 5:53 am

      I have observed certain idiots spewing rubbish across the internet that the earth is flat and that NASA has deceived humanity. When religious extremists moan and cackle over the research into our vast universe with ever more powerful telescopes and probes, and I have actually heard these types condemn that part of science as invading the domain of a deity, I have to wonder if we left the 12th century behind.
      Yes, there are failures and far to often it appears that science has let us down but who controls these people and who pays their wages, provides the funding for research that often ends up doing harm?
      How about supporting scientists who actually want to create something that is of benefit to all humanity not just corporate greed and those who want total control over all humanity.
      We still have to put up with those who continue to believe in demons, witches, and that those who become ill or children born with deformity are “God’s punishment ” for sin and wickedness. This is the kind of thinking that kept humanity in the dark for centuries. And you can thank the Church for that.
      I’ll take atheism any day over the kind of rubbish spewed by the frauds, charlatans and megalomaniacs that pretend to be the final and last word of God.

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