UK firefighters ask: Why has WTC-7 “collapse” had ZERO effect on high rise fire policies?

Grenfell tragedy raises questions about 9/11

Editor’s introduction: Tony Rooke, director of the 9/11 documentary Incontrovertible, has been working with UK firefighters (most of whom wish to remain anonymous) to force the authorities to recognize the absurdity of the official story of WTC-7’s alleged “collapse” on 9/11, officially attributed to a few minor office fires. If the official story were true, every highrise in the world would be in grave danger of “self-imploding” every time a minor wastebasket fire breaks out, and all the regulations and policies would have to be completely re-written. Yet no such changes have occurred. There are even still STAY PUT rules for highrise fires, yielding tragic results at Grenfell Tower…which of course did not “collapse” from fires many orders of magnitude worse than the tiny fires of undetermined origin that supposedly imploded WTC-7.

Kevin Barrett, Veterans Today Editor

Tony Rooke writes:

Gentlemen and Ladies,

PLEASE get the below communication circulated WIDELY this a very significant development in the UK regarding the anomalies surrounding WTC 7 which have been highlighted by the Grenfell Tower tragedy.

You will note it has been sent to every regional secretary and chairperson within the Fire Brigade Union of Great Britain.

Already it is gaining much traction and those who did not support us before are certainly doing so now and they are SERVING FIREFIGHTERS.  The Grenfell Tower fire has changed attitudes.

As you will tell from the email to these people, we are not pushing the ‘Truther’ angle too hard. When these folk read firefighter Paul Kayley’s reports they will be confronted with WTC 7 in great detail anyway.

Enough to say, the FBU executive ignored Paul’s warnings, chose to concur with NIST about the office fire cause, and will now be very concerned because we can PROVE they did nothing about their disastrous ‘STAY PUT’ policy which recently caused the death of so many at Grenfell Towers in London. Not only that, they have resolutely refused to release a response report to Paul’s data [which they promised they would] and are sitting on what they claim is a report that back’s up the NIST findings…

Great, let’s see it then! And why haven’t the UK membership seen it? After Grenfell, they need to know, right…?

Had they acted on Paul’s report, many would have been saved.

NOW, the FBU General Secretary Matt Wrack, in an act of inglorious hypocrisy, has written to PM Theresa May suggesting the STAY PUT policy should be reviewed.

HE KNEW THIS A YEAR AGO!

Please use what contacts you have, your websites, any outlets like Global, Educate Yourself, RT, WHOEVER you know, to make the below communication.

KNOWN.

Thank you,

Tony Rooke

 


From: TONY ROOKE
Sent: 19 June 2017 20:32
Subject: GRENFELL TOWER FIRE & FBU SUPPRESSION OF WARNINGS & REPORT OVER SUDDEN COLLAPSE RISK AND STAY PUT POLICY

Dear FBU Secretaries and Chairs,

My name is Tony Rooke, I am the writer and director of the online documentary ‘Incontrovertible’. It should be noted this film was crowdfunded by and features many firefighters and police officers.

Firstly may I say, much respect and gratitude for the courageous efforts of the London crews at Grenfell Towers last week. What follows may well anger them but so it should – in fact, I hope it does.

The film I made between 2013 – 2015 features the sudden and total collapse of an American building known as The Saloman Brothers Building, which, in 2001, fell straight to the ground, into it’s own footprint due to travelling “normal office fires”. This collapse, unprecedented in architectural history, followed fires of far LESS severity and time than the Grenfell Tower yet the building suddenly and completely collapsed at free-fall through its own structure.

A small group of Firefighters within North Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service,  became aware that the 2001 US collapse was curiously said to be due to fires alone. They set about investigating the level of risk posed to them and you at high-rise firefighting incidents. In accordance with Health & Safety legislation, they responsibly and conscientiously reported their assessment as quickly as possible through the appropriate channels, including the Health & Safety representative of the union.

This matter was taken very seriously and was rushed into the FBU National Health & Safety Conference at London in June last summer. (Please see the PowerPoint presentation linked here)

A detailed follow up report was then submitted:

Specific recommendations were made in the initial report regarding the safety of ‘Stay-put’ policies in high-rise building fires. In the presentation made to the FBU National Health & Safety Conference a key recommendation was clearly made Suspend ‘Stay-Put’ policy and urgently review evacuation policies for high-rise occupants.

The report clearly recommended that, as a matter of critical public safety, all bodies and authorities who support NIST’s proposed theory of fire-induced building collapse, urgently reassess the use of ‘stay-put’ policies.

 The relevant section of the conclusion (p.40) of this report states:

“Since [the high-rise building collapse] 15 years ago, Firefighters’ operational procedures have not been changed for fighting high-rise fires. In the UK, local government ‘Stay put’ policies, which advise residents in high-rise buildings and flats to remain in their property when there is a fire, have not been modified. The building design regulations have not changed and equivalent buildings have not been retrofitted with modifications to prevent a recurrence of Building 7’s collapse.

However, if NIST’s official report of what happened to Building 7 is maintained by our authorities as a valid explanation of events, in accordance with the Health and Safety at Work Act and other related legislation, all of the above factors need to be questioned and critically reassessed as a matter of great importance by fire services, local housing authorities, and building standards regulators.”

So it has to be asked, WHY is the ‘stay put’ policy for high rise fires still in place, a policy that had such drastic and fatal consequences at Grenfell Tower? 

A response report was authored by FBU Assistant General Secretary Andy Dark with a promise that his report would be made available to FBU members for scrutiny and open to debate where necessary. Andy Dark’s report has never been released to the wider membership to this day.

Having seen a partial summation of Andy Dark’s report, [never the entire body of it] I can confirm Mr Dark is firmly of the opinion that a high-rise structure can succumb suddenly to fires and is quite capable of a total and swift collapse, the speed of which would leave NO time for residents or fire crew to escape.

However, Mr Dark’s belief has not been circulated to either his wider membership of the FBU, or to the general public, which could have called into question stay-put policies and potentially saved lives at Grenfell Towers.

Brian Maxwell, a former Edinburgh fire-fighter of some 15 years service actually RESIGNED in 2015 over the indifference of his superiors on this issue.

It is not for me to advise a firefighting professional on the behaviour of any building or firefighting procedure, but, having studied the collapse of 2001 for over a decade, I would urge you to consider very carefully why your FBU superiors have chosen to remain silent on the issue of fire-induced ‘sudden building collapse’. Should you choose to believe that the class-A fire protected US Building’s demise was due to normal office fires of only 32kg/m2 combustible load levels, so be it. Should you choose to believe that building came down by another mechanism, then it did so on a day when 343 of your American colleagues perished. That alternative view, incidentally, will be endorsed by an independent 2 year forensic study by The University of Alaska this August, when they publish their findings which conclude the 2001 collapse had ZERO chance of being fire induced. ( http://www.wtc7evaluation.org )

WTC 7 Evaluation is a completely open and transparent investigation into the cause of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse. Every aspect of the scientific process …

Today, I read a copy of FBU General Secretary Matt Wrack’s letter to PM Theresa May. The word ‘hypocrisy’ sprang immediately to mind as Mr Wrack demanded a full and proper investigation with transparency and honesty, including a review of the ‘Stay Put’ policies, something he previously neglected to address when confronted with the “Sudden Building Collapse” report authored by your colleague, yet is now keen to have examined following the death of so many at Grenfell Towers.

I should imagine, a year on from the above report’s initial warning of this problem, Mr Wrack and Mr Dark might seek to assuage your fears by suggesting The Saloman Brothers Building and Grenfell Tower were two different building construction types, and therefore no great urgency was required in bringing your attention of the 2001 collapse. I needn’t remind you that this is a specious defence. Firefighting procedures for high-rise buildings do not differentiate between these two building types, as both are considered viable enough to implement the use of a forward control bridgehead. No firefighter would enter a building believing it could collapse on top of them regardless of concrete pour, or steel frame – they are ALL assumed to be up to the task. They may have you believe that The Saloman Building had suffered catastrophic damage or some mitigating factor which would ensure it could not sustain its 47 stories. THAT is not the conclusion of the US investigators. ‘Normal Office fires’ were sufficient. And still your brothers and sisters were permitted to fight long hours inside a building, suffering far greater fires at Grenfell. STILL those residents were left to perish based on an antiquated Stay Put procedure which your executive endorsed despite warnings.

Many of your colleagues are too frightened to speak out – ironic for firefighters – but I sympathise. How can one count on support from your Union superiors when their indifference is so obvious.

This information has now been passed to the National Press and media. It is also in the hands of lawyers and residents of the Grenfell Tower disaster. Mr Wrack and Dark will be getting a copy. Jeremy Corbyn is aware, as is Theresa May as are many others who should be apologising to you.

But having spent the last few years liaising with a fair few of your colleagues, the one thing we have all learned is that you can NOT rely on your FBU Executive, you MUST unite and fight this together. You are the Union. The EC works for you and your membership, not the other way around. Once you understand the gravity of this situation you will.

Sincerely,

Tony Rooke

Director/Writer ‘Incontrovertible’

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14 Responses to "UK firefighters ask: Why has WTC-7 “collapse” had ZERO effect on high rise fire policies?"

  1. Aziz Khalfan  June 21, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    “My respects go to all the firefighters everywhere.”

    Having said that as I was watching the BBC footage of the tragedy, I noticed some firemen ambling towards the tower with NO urgency whatsoever.

    They were heading towards the burning building as if they were drugged and unaware of their surroundings or unaware the tower they were heading to was on fire and it was their job to go douse it.

  2. Khalid Talaat  June 21, 2017 at 7:35 am

    In the US, the following broad provisions are adopted by our building codes:
    1. There has to be at least two means of egress, the number is governed by the distance of travel. A twenty four story building with one stair is insane.
    2. No dead ends longer than 20 feet.
    3. Stairs are positively pressurized. In other words in the event of a confirmed alarm, fresh air is pumped into the stair wells to keep smoke from entering the stair wells.
    4. Elevator lobbies are sealed to prevent elevator shafts from creating a chimney effect that encourages fire and smoke to travel upwards
    5. Stair wells are fire proofed up to four hours.
    6. Dry dedicated fire fighting stacks are provided for firemen to tap into at every floor
    7. Fail safe smoke detection and redundant systems.
    8. General Alarm pull station on every floor that will activate a building wide PA system and sirens that will wake up the dead.
    9. Fire dampers are installed in fire retarding walls between fire zones or compartments. Dampers are fuse linked to melt and shut down when fire attempts to migrate from one space to another looking for oxygen.

    • Khalid Talaat  June 21, 2017 at 7:48 am

      .
      10. We come to the one item that is the most effective, the sprinkler system. To make his point an American Fire Chief told me once “if I had to give up all safety measures to keep a sprinkler system I would do it.” Simply, nothing wet catches on fire easily.

      Unfortunetely, one of these safety designs are implemented in London. A twenty four story tower with one stair is just insane. You just can not evacuate that many people. The UK code tells people to stay put, In America we order them to get the hell out. What would you like to do if you knew your building is on fire. A polyethylene facade? Really? With two inches of uninterrupted vertical space? I suppose a little chimney is what the designers had in mind to provide oxygen for the fire all the way to the top?

      I hope whatever the financial gains were, it was worth all the lives lost. Truly sad how unbridled capitalism has no soul to speak of. Sad,

  3. joetv  June 20, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    “War crimes are for sissys. We ain’t no wuss. We kill everybody. Now buy me a drink ya fkn slug”. And that’s the general’s wife talking.

  4. joetv  June 20, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    Mr. Dark is a right proper name for this charactor. Zero regulations for fighting a high rise fire should be changed based on 911’s building 7 freefall collapse. Lucky Silverman gave the order to pull it. An obvious reference to begin the controlled demo. Which had to take weeks to prepare. Yet no prosecution. Insurance paid double.

  5. ayelyahbenjamin  June 20, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    “Contractors have thrived under Bush policies. Contracts to the Pentagons Top Ten contractors jumped from $46 billion in 2001 to 80 billion in 2003. Increase of Nearly 75%. Halliburtons contracts jumped more than from $400 million in 2001 to 3.9 billion by 2003.
    Accompanying this massive growth in defense spending is a large presence of former executives, consultants or shareholders of weapons contractors in key policymaking posts in the Bush administration. During the first G.W Administration at least 32 administration appointees had ties to the arms industry, including 17 appointees with links to major defense

  6. ayelyahbenjamin  June 20, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    @1.28

    • ayelyahbenjamin  June 20, 2017 at 4:23 pm

      Chris Coverdale International war law expert: “1928 world signed Treaty for the Renunciation of War, probably the most important law ever passed by the nations of world…after the second world war when Germany’s leaders were prosecuted at Nuremburg and convicted of 11 breaches of the Kellog Briand Pact which is the Treaty for the Renounciation of War, and THAT BECAME UNIVERSAL LAW . When George Bush and Tony Blair walked into Afghanistan and iraq they did exactly the same thing as germany’s leaders did in the second world war…..” Now it is very important for ordinary soldiers to realize that the judgment at Nuremburg APPLIES TO EVERY HUMAN BEING and one of the key arguments that Germanys’ leaders made was that they were only following orders. The judges said no that was not good enough…. IF YOUR GOVERNMENT BREAKS THE LAWS OF WAR YOU MUST REFUSE TO OBEY THEIR ORDERS and it was that law which was introduced in 1950… So both the police and the armed forces have A DUTY BY LAW TO REFUSE TO OBEY THEIR ORDERS for fighting in Afghanistan or supporting the war in Syria or to attack Libya or to take part in the attacks on Iraq …ALL OF THOSE WERE ILLEGAL. What very few members of the armed forces or the police force know is that IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE TO FOLLOW AN UNLAWFUL ORDER

    • ayelyahbenjamin  June 20, 2017 at 4:26 pm

      Let every man be responsible for his own actions backed by Universal Law end the wars for israel
      Principle 1
      Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment
      Principle II the fact that international law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law
      Principles of International Law recognized in the Charter of the Nuremburg Tribunal and in the Judgement of the Tribunal, with commentaries 1958
      Yearbook of the International Law Commission 1950 Volume II Documents of the second session including the report of the Commission to the General Assembly. United Nations

  7. the truth please  June 20, 2017 at 1:23 pm

    Why do they have a two minutes silence at 11-o-clock for the Grenfell tragedy as I recently saw on a UK TV station. Why not 12-o-clock or 1-o-clock.

  8. the truth please  June 20, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    What I would like to know is where are the actual survivors, the media will show you film of survivors and charity workers together. But they never actually show the survivors on their own, you never see the survivors receiving aid donated to them. You see aid workers expressing their joy at receiving so much aid , but it does not seem to be going anywhere.

  9. alan colorado  June 20, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    One incident after another in Great Britain. This time an actual 500 verifiable heartlessly murdered in Grenfell.

  10. Aziz Khalfan  June 20, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    My unanswered question has always been what weapon on earth can cause hose vehicles in the vicinity of ground zero be cleanly sliced in half, one half vaporized and the other half intact without being least seared ?

    My respects go to all the firefighters everywhere.

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