Moscow welcomes US readiness to cooperate on Syria, but awaits ‘no-fly zones’ clarification – Lavrov

… from  Russian Today,  Moscow

You cannot enforce a ceasefire without cutting off weapons and ammo supplies

[ Editor’s Note: This Tillerson statement is a hoot, that Russia has a “special responsibility” to aid the peace process in Syria, when he knows  that if the Russians had not come in, the jihadis would have won, and we would have a mess 50 times bigger than Libya.

That’s the one where Obama at least admitted that not making plans for what to do to stabilize Libya after Saddam was “a mistake”. But how was he supposed to know that? The US has never worried about what happens afterwards, as the Deep State folks figure they have won, and the exploiting of the country will move into the bone-picking stage.

With Iraq, they just fired the army and police, so there was instantly no security in the country, and a looting frenzy began. That was not something that would have taken a genius to foresee, but we did it anyway. Based on its horrible record, in a perfect world, the US would never be allowed to intervene anywhere. Where are the ETs when you really need them?

This no-fly zone pitch by Tillerson…color me suspicious. I suspect that he knows the US and its Gulf State allies are going to maintain weapons and ammo supplies to their jihadi proxies, and that Russia will bomb those convoys and depots when and where it can.

Don’t hold your breath on anything that is said in Hamburg between Putin and Trump on Syria. If Trump deems it profitable for him to appear conciliatory, he will be, knowing he can still do whatever he wants later, muttering something about “America first”. Because the master of chaos lives inside his head, that is what we get. We got a two for one deal with Trump, and have at least three and a half years more of it to surviveJim W. Dean ]

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Any eventual control over reducing the fighting in Syria will require blocking supplies of weapons and ammo by the US and allies to their terror proxies

– First published  …  July 07, 2017

Moscow has noted Washington’s apparent move in the right direction on Syria, but has requested the US to provide details on the proposed creation of no-fly zones as voiced by US Secretary of State in the lead up to the Russian-US leaders meeting in Hamburg.

Ahead of the July 7 meeting between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, chief US diplomat, Rex Tillerson insisted that Russia has a “special responsibility” to aid the peace process in Syria, while Washington expressed a readiness for closer cooperation with Moscow.

“The United States is prepared to explore the possibility of establishing with Russia joint mechanisms for ensuring stability, including no-fly zones, on the ground ceasefire observers, and coordinated delivery of humanitarian assistance,” Rex Tillerson said in a statement released by the State Department Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters Thursday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow is awaiting Washington’s concrete suggestions and clarifications on the the no-fly zones in Syria.

“We’ve issued a query but haven’t received a reply so far,” Lavrov said, according to TASS. “The question is what kind of no-flight zones are being presupposed because they haven’t been mentioned in the past.”

Lavrov pointed that Moscow is also still waiting for a response to its own proposals on Syria which were presented to the Americans in spring.

“We handed our proposals timed for the first contact between the Russian and US Presidents to US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson before his trip to Moscow in April,” Lavrov said.

“This was because he himself had come up with an idea of preparations for the meeting between the Presidents in advance when we had talks in Bonn in February.”

The Russian Foreign Minister welcomed his counterpart’s initiative. “I am confident that the focus of [Tillerson’s] statement, despite all the emerging issues on this or that wording, the determination on cooperation between Russia and the United States, is a step in the right direction,” Lavrov told reporters after talks with French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian in Paris.

“It is important for the Syrian crisis settlement to be mutual, with no party trying to pretend that nothing depends on them,”Russia’s most senior diplomat added. Russia’s main priority in Syria, though, is to eliminate terrorist groups, mainly the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and Jabhat al-Nusra, Lavrov underlined.

Syria already has three de-escalation zones after Russia, Turkey, and Iran signed a deal in Astana, Kazakhstan in May. While the specifics of the newly created safe zones are now being worked out, the concept envisions ceasing all combat operations and suspending military flights in those areas.

However, the US-led coalition has used the opportunity to establish their own so-called ‘de-confliction’ areas, within which, it has on several occasions, used perceived threats to allies as a pretext to strike Syrian government forces.

Moscow does not recognize any ‘de-confliction zones’ unilaterally declared by the US. Lavrov has made clear that such zones are different from the safe zones, which Russia, Turkey, and Iran established with the full support of the United Nations Security Council and the government of Syria.

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29 Responses to "Moscow welcomes US readiness to cooperate on Syria, but awaits ‘no-fly zones’ clarification – Lavrov"

  1. Amelius  July 10, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    US readiness to cooperate in Syria? How can that be possible when the US has been destroying Syria trying to overthrow Assad, and Russia is supporting Assad and Syrian sovereignty?

  2. mb.  July 7, 2017 at 11:37 pm

    US go home, not invited !!

  3. mb.  July 7, 2017 at 10:49 pm

    The US has to get out and go home. WTF are they doing there ?

  4. joetv  July 7, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    They will be waiting a long time.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 9, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      Joe: Not necessarily. Henry Kissinger probably set up the tentative Trump/Putin deal during Henry’s late June meeting with Putin in Moscow. Kissinger is an informal Trump adviser and a longtime Putin ‘friend.’

      Kissinger knows & publicly says: ‘We now live in a multi-polar world.’ NSS (No Shit, Sherlock).

      What we’re now witnessing is a take-down of ‘The Cabal’; and Kissinger wants to CYA.

      Trump too, but Trump is clueless. 😉 .

  5. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 7, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    Except for the timeline envisioned in December 2015, nothing much has changed from the unanimous UN Security Council resolution on Syria, which Russia, Iran & Syria are now enforcing — slowly but surely.

    Russia, Iran & Syria still affirm a primary part of the resolution: That Syrians will decide their own political fate (no matter what Tillerson & Trump say about envisioning Assad “eventually” leaving power).

    Erdogan & Turkey are no longer heavily in support of ISIS & al-Nusra in Syria. Qatar is also sidelining its support for the moderate head choppers and may side more with Iran (given recent developments).

    Russia has not yet fully used its Electro-Magneto-Gravitic (EMG) Khibiny systems to neutralize US-led air & navy forces in Syria. However, the recent electronic shutdown of ALL systems on the USS Fitzgerald near Japan may have been a show-&-tell before the Putin-Trump ‘negotiations’ in Hamburg on Syria.

    ‘Peace Is at Hand’?

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 7, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      JWD: You say & ask: “With Iraq, US/UK just fired the army and police, so there was instantly no security in the country, and a looting frenzy began… Where are the ETs when you really need them?”

      After the invasion, Bush & Rummy’s first order in Iraq was to fire the Iraqi army & police. Voila! Men with guns & no money. Instant insurgency and a newborn ISIS, which UK & U.S. created.

      A high-level retired U.S. general told me at lunch with the World Bank president that Bush & Rummy’s order to fire the Iraqi army & police was “THE stupidest military move” in history that he had ever seen.

      What neither the general nor I knew then was that Bush & Rummy were TRYING to spawn ISIS. Of course, Russia knew this at the time, and Putin has publicly stated as much.

      P.S. BTW Jim, Russian Khibiny EMG systems may have come from ETs, as per Keshe people. ;-).

    • kaho  July 8, 2017 at 3:51 am

      ” …… destroyer, likely carried collision avoidance electronics ”
      It is a paradox – and most people wouldn’t believe it unless they hear it directly from those whose task it is to investigate such accidents in order to determine causes and responsibilities – but there is such a thing as is called “a radar collision”. Those are accidents that happen precisely because the ships were using radars. In other words, if the ships had not had radars, the accident wouldn’t have happened.

      https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-navigation/article/cause-of-collisions-at-sea-with-radar-a-discussion/A18F79A3B94819F3671E5005BCD3E82C

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 8, 2017 at 6:00 am

      Kaho: The alleged collision near Japan of the USS Fitzgerald and the ACX Chrystal of the Philippines was NOT a “radar collision.” Both the Fitzgerald and the Chrystal had highly-sophisticated & redundant electronic ship detection systems AND human spotters on deck.

      See “USS Fitzgerald the Victim of an Electromagnetic Warfare Attack” by Dr. Joseph P. Farrell at https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/07/uss-fitzgerald-victim-electromagnetic-warfare-attack, which analyses and draws inferences from:

      “Stealth Attack On USS Fitzgerald Proves US Navy No Longer Controls Seven Seas” at http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/06/successful-attack-on-uss-fitzgerald-proves-us-navy-no-longer-controls-seven-seas {“The Official US Navy ‘Fitzgerald’ Narrative is not only totally implausible, it’s beyond ridiculous!”). Check also the Fitzgerald YouTube videos by “Florida Maquis.”

      Are we witnessing an attack similar to what happened to USS Donald Cook & others in the Baltic Sea?

    • kaho  July 8, 2017 at 7:44 am

      Dr. Abu-Bakr (أبو بكر ) Thank you for the links! I watched ( listened to ) a 1 hr video with Dr Farrell the other day, and I thought he was bringing up many intriguing points. But obviously he lacks a good background in basic physics, and so he has to rely upon quoting other authors – others who often express themselves obscurely or are otherwise inaccessible. Apart from that he is an excellent communicator – no doubt one of the leading co-creators of the modern tech-savvy mythologies. I will certainly take a look at the links you gave.

    • kaho  July 8, 2017 at 8:14 am

      Well, I read the text referred to in your first link. I can only comment by saying “speculative”.
      Have you ever experienced a collision with a meeting pedestrian on a busy sidewalk? Obviously the two “bump-into-each-other-persons” each make a series of evasive moves that exactly cancel each other out. And after two or three such maneuvers, their bodies crash together. Obviously it is generally not well understood how even sophisticated algorithms can fail.
      I have a much simpler explanation, which lies in the broadcasting of fake GPS-signals from a nearby source.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 8, 2017 at 1:28 pm

      Kaho: If you’re still interested in the supposedly-accidental collision between the USS Fitzgerald and the ACX Crystal, check the YouTube videos on the “Florida Maquis” channel.

      You will see that the collision was anything but ‘accidental.’ The Crystal may have intentionally rammed the Fitzgerald — and/or the Fitzgerald was either dead in the water with no working electronics and/or had masked or ‘spoofed’ its radar signal so that it was invisible to the Crystal.

      Either way, human spotters on decks of neither the Fitzgerald nor the Crystal were paying attention to what was happening with other nearby ships.

      Russian and/or Chinese EMG ‘defensive’ measures are still a distinct possibility. IF such Russian and/or Chinese EMG ‘defensive’ measures exist, then Russia and/or China can shut down U.S. & Israeli attacks in Syria, inappropriate threats from North Korea and U.S. attempts to control China’s vital shipping lanes.

  6. Eduardo  July 7, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    Moscow welcomes US readiness to cooperate is already a statement of illusion. Moscow knows very well that it will get burned when inviting the Mafia Nation USA to share their cake.
    If there will be any cooperation between Russia and USA it will only mean that Syria will cease to exist, Russia can not be trusted as a saviour of human righteousness and the world of mankind will sink into further chaos and suffering.
    USA should be isolated from the world community and Israel as a country moved to US building secure walls around the border and let their – this time internal – evil games begin at home soil while the whole world will be watching. This is the only solution as the lord of darkness – or shall we call him the God of Israel – does not cooperate at all.

  7. Amelius  July 7, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    What is it going to take for Russia to realize that the US cannot be trusted. How many days until the USG bombs Syrian government forces, again?? Russia’s leadership knows damn well that the US facilitated the Syrian war and has been supporting terrorist groups since the beginning. Not only that, but Russian leadership understands that the policy does not change with new faces, and how the US destroyed Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, etc, etc.

    Is Russia’s leadership just giving the US the benefit of the doubt, to show the world that they’ve always been and are still willing and ready to cooperate? Is it because Putin understands the implications of a war between the two nations and knows that the only way the world can move forward is by cooperating? One thing I know for sure is that Vlad is arguably the most competent leader on the planet and he’s very well informed. So I can’t believe that he lacks the foresight to see how this will likely turn out. Maybe he’s got something up his sleeve, or a monumental shift in US policy has occurred, without anyone knowing about it. The latter scenario is rather difficult to imagine.

    • kaho  July 8, 2017 at 12:14 am

      ” … or a monumental shift in US policy has occurred, without anyone knowing about it … ”
      I listened to the South Front report “Libyan War, Syrian War And Qatar Crisis” here on VT two days ago, and was surprised to see no comments. As far as I am concerned, I thought there were so many new developments mentioned there, that had hardly been mentioned by any one before, and these events were interconnected in a complicated manner that would require further study and analysis to be properly understood : A clear departure from the usual framework we have hitherto used to interpret events.

      Also, in Hamburg top level American and Russian leaders met for the first time during the Donald Trump era, where the two top guys extended their talk to more than two hours – in a meeting that had only been planned to last half an hour. ( Check out ::: https://de.sputniknews.com/bilder/20170707316501444-putin-trump-treffen-sich-zum-ersten-mal/ ::: and observe the facial expressions of these 2 top leaders during their first meeting in this photo series ). And while this was going on chaos reigned in the streets of Hamburg, in the most violent demonstrations any one could remember.

    • Laura Green  July 9, 2017 at 9:20 am

      Amelius, I think Russia gives US /UK/ Israel enough rope to commit a suicide and be conveniently hanged.

  8. Sparrow  July 7, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    @JohnZ
    I was also sickened by the stolen artifacts news/Hobby Lobby. Here is some background.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Green_(entrepreneur)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2012/09/18/david-green-the-biblical-billionaire-backing-the-evangelical-movement/#2bdc64f85807
    [“Perhaps his most personal mission yet is just gearing up. Green is creating a permanent, public home for his collection of handwritten scrolls, rare books and ancient cuneiform tablets the family has amassed over the decades. At 44,000 artifacts, it appears to be the largest private collection of biblical antiquities in the world. Some of the most precious pieces are currently housed in a modest temperature-controlled storage room in the Hobby Lobby warehouse. It’s not much bigger than your average walk-in closet, but Green steps lightly as he enters. He’s treading on sacred ground. “This isn’t just some book that someone made up,” Green says as he gingerly takes one Bible down from the shelf. “It’s God, it’s history, and we want to show that.” He purchased a building in Washington, D.C. with the hope of opening the Museum of the Bible, an expanded version of a current traveling exhibition, within three years.”]

    • Sparrow  July 7, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      …cont’d

      This is a common “prosperity” belief taught at Most Christian churches. But here is what the Bible says about that…

      Jer 6:13-15
      13 “For from the least of them even to the greatest of them, everyone is greedy for gain, and from the prophet even to the priest everyone deals falsely.
      14 “They have healed the brokenness of My people superficially, saying, “Peace, peace,’ but there is no peace.
      15 “Were they ashamed because of the abomination they have done? They were not even ashamed at all; they did not even know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time that I punish them, they shall be cast down,” says the LORD.
      (NAU)

    • JohnZ  July 7, 2017 at 2:04 pm

      The evangelical movement is downright scary.
      Imposing religious tyranny?
      My hope is that Green gets what’s coming to him…in spades.

    • Sparrow  July 7, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      …I was waiting for this: UPDATE

      [“Nevertheless, Hobby Lobby went ahead and paid $1.6 million for 5,500 pieces that were then smuggled into the United States through Israel and the United Arab Emirates.”]
      http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/spotlight-hobby-lobby-s-biblical-collection-after-smuggle-case-n780286
      And this from NBC…!

      I can bet you that these and all items were stolen by Israel, via Israel, and “for” Israel…ISIS…the blood money just keeps on flowing. So so sad.

  9. JohnZ  July 7, 2017 at 10:48 am

    Does Lavrov wash his hands after shaking with Tillerson? No telling what noxious germs that ignorant hill billy is carrying around on his person.
    Talk about being left with a dirty feeling, sorta like being physically violated. Lavrov and Putin better beware; they’re dealing with the most corrupt, savage and criminal nations in the world, the United States of America.
    Warning to Putin and the rest of the world: do not trust the United States. Do not, for any reason, allow the U.S. government and its puppets to persuade you into anything. Arm yourselves to the teeth, including nukes or you will end up like Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, and on and on and on. Unless you are fully armed you will become another victim of the United States and its evil foreign policies.
    America is an evil, lawless state that respect no sovereign borders nor the rights of its own people or of anyone else. It is a land of moral failure. It is run by evil walking corpses and its people are dumbed down and ignorant. The citizenry love war. They loath the truth and revere liars, frauds and charlatans. Millions are brainwashed into the cult of religious fundamentalist extremism.
    There is no hope for America except for its own destruction which it so rightly deserves.

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 8, 2017 at 8:47 am

      JohnZ, no need to warn – these guys (Putin&Lavrov and many many others) know the real price of the words, given by US and EU officials. Putin is an KGB officer. Dignity and faith – above all. If he meets a man, whose deeds go wrong with the words, he stops the trust dialog. In Russia it is a part of culture – not to trust anymore those who lie once. I wonder that it happens to politicians – those who have the power and represent their countries. So, Putin knows well the real price of every President in the EU and the politicians in the USA. Frankly – this is the reason why he calls them PARTNERS. For us it is a kind of irony to the mad-house representatives at the political “mix-fight cage”.

  10. mb.  July 7, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Guess the oil companies win.

    • JohnZ  July 7, 2017 at 10:34 am

      So do the RKM banksters.

  11. Cold Wind  July 7, 2017 at 7:26 am

    I fully expect Russia to fall for this reiteration of a US/Russia “partnership” ploy. Sigh. The bottom line, if Russia goes along with the US plan, is the US will have succeeded in separating at least two important regions of Syria from Syria. Since it is obvious the US intends to go to the brink with this plan anyway–having established eight military operational sites in these two regions of Syria, including at least two air bases, Russia will reason, agreeing to the plan, is the lesser of two evils; the other being a war in which the US has access to overwhelming military assets.This is a predicament which Russia was warned about months ago, but delusionally gambled on “partnership” with the US-never a real posibility. Now Assad and Syria will pay the price.

  12. joetv  July 7, 2017 at 7:06 am

    Trickery, skulduggery, are afoot. Hmmm?

  13. ksp  July 7, 2017 at 6:46 am

    Russia, Syria should first demand the US be in compliance with international law if it wants a seat at the table.
    Always seems to be a game going on in the background.

    • Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor  July 7, 2017 at 8:14 am

      Always, and sometimes several.

    • JohnZ  July 7, 2017 at 10:33 am

      Syria should also demand that the U.S. remove all its troops and equipment from it territory. It should also demand that Washington has no stake in implementing any no fly zones. It should also demand that America stops supporting terrorism around the world.
      Tillerson is a perfect tool for the zionist deep state. That ignorant red neck hill billy should not be entrusted to deliver a pizza.
      And speaking of looting Iraq Jim, you should look into the charges being leveled at the owners of Hobby Lobby for buying stolen tablets from Iraq. This fine example of xtian moral proclivity, who went to court in order to deny birth control to women has been caught red handed with stolen ancient artifacts.LOL! I believe one of the Ten Commandments mentions something about not stealing. But it’s ok when xtians do it. So they won’t end up burning in hell I suppose.
      Hobby Lobby….what a joke.

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