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Special Report: BUSH AND CHENEY LIED: "TEARFUL" DOVER AFB VISITS NEVER HAPPENED
Posted on November 01, 2009 by gordonduff
NO TIME TO HONOR AMERICA'S DEAD: BUSH/CHENEY HAD OTHER PRIORITIES, LIKE WHEN THEY MISSED THE VIETNAM WAR
by Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
President Bush and Vice President Cheney claimed they had repeatedly visited Dover AFB to honor American war dead. Their claim that this was done quietly, with no cameras and no publicity is now proven to have been a total lie.
Neither Bush nor Cheney ever visited Dover. Neither came there, even once in 7 years of war, despite their stories told of tearful experiences that simply never happened.
This week, while attacking President Obama for a public visit to Dover to honor war dead, Vice President Cheney's daughter Liz again repeated the stories President Bush and her father told, now known to be lies.
This couldn't have happened at a worse time for Vice President Cheney. His story that he knew nothing of the exposure of top CIA nuclear weapons proliferation spy, Valerie Plame has lost any credibility, especially with federal prosecutors.
The importance of this case, in light of the spying arrest of top nuclear weapons designer, Stewart Nozette is closely tied to the Plame case. Nozette had been furnishing "Q" clearance (our highest) weapons information to foreign spies from Israel, not necessarly the Israeli government, who are suspected of selling this information to North Korea, Iran and Pakistan.
The exposure of Plame by the GOP allowed this spying to continue and may have led to the development of North Korea's nuclear weapons. The technology trail, as described by FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, has put top American weapons technologies in the hands of nearly every American enemy.
Nozette believed he was spying against the US for Israel and, when approached by FBI agents pretending to be Mossad agents, showed surprise. He said he had been working for the Mossad for years. However, this was not the case.
If, as prosecutors allege, former Vice President Cheney had been involved in derailing CIA efforts to break up spy rings active in nuclear proliferation, Cheney's involvement, whether done because of a total mental breakdown or a real desire to harm the security of the United States, are going to take the full power of every criminal element high in our government to suppress.
Sources indicate that Vice President Cheney had become involved in an extremist Christian cult that openly advocated nuclear war, knowing it would destroy all life on Earth. Many top GOP leaders, Tom Delay, John Ashcroft, Trent Lott, Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales, Paul Wolfowitz and others, some Christians, some Jews, are believed to have shared bizarre theories of Armageddon, apocalypse and rapture.
Cheney is thought to have believed he had been personally selected to sit at the hand of G-d and supervise the suffering of those "left behind" as described in series of books read and discussed at the highest levels of the Bush administration.
The destruction on 9/11 and the Iraq invasion closely parallel scenarios described in these books. The number of bizarre coincidences involving these and many other issues seem, to many, overwhelming, showing a human, if not diabiolical hand.
Veterans Today Senior Editor Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and regular contributor on political and social issues.
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The sad part about the incredible things you are saying here is that unfortunately there is almost certainly more than a kernel of truth to all of this.
We have no problem looking at the ultra-conservative and super-fundamentalist Muslim Wahabist as a threat to us. In fact, he is. He is a very real threat. We are godless and need to be eradicated in his eyes.
But somehow, our own Judaeo-Christian ultra-conservative religionist nutjobs are not seen by us as playing a part in all of this fundamentalist vs. fundamentalist insanity in the world presently going on.
This religionist nuttiness very likely could blow up the planet if we do not find a way to stop these secret society "Armageddon mongers" from taking their religious fantasies and turning them into a scorching hot reality and a searingly real end for all of us. They are not kidding.
The Muslims want to see the Mahdi return to bring peace to the world. The Christians want to see Jesus come back riding on a cloud.
As for me, I would be happy just to see myself win the lottery. But that is a totally different issue.
You don't know about the Mahdi do you? Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia"
"According to the Shia and Sunni versions of the Islamic eschatology the Mahdi (مهدي Mahdī, also Mehdi; "Guided One") is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will stay on earth seven, nine, or nineteen years (depending on the interpretation[1]) before the coming of the day, Yawm al-Qiyamah (literally "Day of the Resurrection" or "Day of the Standing").[2] Muslims believe the Mahdi will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside Jesus.[3] The concept of Mahdi is not explicitly mentioned in the Qu'ran nor in the Sunni hadiths such as Sahih al-Bukhari which only mention the second coming of Jesus.[4][5] It is only one of the six books of hadīth. Some orthodox Sunnī theologians accordingly question Mahdist beliefs[5], but such beliefs form a necessary part of Shīʿī doctrine.[4] "
You see? They have their own version of the Second Coming and they are working feverishly to bring it about, just exactly like our religionist nutjobs are doing.
So, the Judaeo-Christian religionist whack jobs in power in the world are working to bring and end to the world to see Jesus and the prophets come back to Earth and the Wahabist and Shia religionist whackos are working feverishly to throw the world into armed conflict to bring back the Mahdi and the rest of us go on our merry way completely oblivious to the fact that these bird brained, brainwashed, fantasy ridden religionist cultural fifth columnists really would kill us all to bring about their version of a god returning to Earth.
No one would believe this if I wrote it in a novel. But every turns their eyes from it when it happens in reality. What a crazy world we live in!
By Oldleatherneck on 2009-11-02 12:19:05 So; What do you beleive? This should be amusing.
By Tom Barnes on 2009-11-02 14:50:39
What does it matter what I believe? Governments and government policies should never be run on anything other than the national interest of the people. A government leaders belief system should never enter the political arena and THIS is exactly why.
Fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Jews in direct confrontation with fundamentalist Muslims are very likely to kill us all.
Don't tell me that you cannot see that?!
This is exactly why the Founding Fathers wanted separation of church and state in this country. This nonsense is not supposed to happen. We have a govnernment based on national interest of a diverse society here, not a theocracy. This republic was purposely designed that way.
What I believe or what you believe or what any one believes has no place in government. Period.
CWO3 Tom Barnes, USCG (Ret.)
By Oldleatherneck on 2009-11-02 16:54:54 Show me where in the constitution it says there should be separation between church and state. That terminology doe's notexist nor can it be implied.
A Theocracy doe's not exist in this country and never has, but everyone is free to persue what ever faith they chose without government favoring one over the other.
By SSG M on 2009-11-01 14:49:33
I think a prerequisite for the Presidency should be that you have served in any branch of service for at least 6 years. Guys who have never served will never begin to understand the issues of Veterans and our Active Military. Whether Bush and Cheney ever served that I do not know for sure, but I do know that Obama has never served and look what is going on now. If your serious about winning this war then send the troops and get the job done, if not then pull the troops out and get out of this God forsaken war that has no use. God Bless our Troops and Veterans!
Service should be as enlisted and in combat if there was any war going between the candidates 17th and 45th birthday.
Other than that....DISQUALIFIED.
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By Oldleatherneck on 2009-11-02 12:23:18 Duff I agree, but show me in the constitution where it prescribes that.
By Jim Starowicz 'Nam '70-'71 on 2009-11-02 04:56:38
Gordon not only did they Lie they were Blocking Elected representatives from Accompanying Parents who asked them to onto the tarmac at Dover to be with them at the Arrival and Silent Ceremony of their Returning Soldiers Caskets. Why Dover, because the one who came out with that was none other than Joe Biden Senator, at the time, of Delaware. Here's the Face The Nation Transcript from that 2003 show: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/19/ftn/main702870.shtml
He starts to explain on page 4. I've tried to find the video but CBS no longer carries it in their archives or I'm using the wrong search words
By Jim on 2009-11-02 05:00:08 Whoops, hit 3 it's from 2005.
By Jim on 2009-11-02 05:15:49 Back on that Sunday I was livid as I listened to Biden describe his being blocked while with the family, at the time I quickly wrote up and did a post on it, huffington was still young so I sent it there as well, it's still in their archives here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/06/20/sen-biden-im-not-allowed-_n_2942.html which is the page four start and continuation into page five. The Face The Nation show was on 6.19.05, this was posted the next day.
By Duffster on 2009-11-02 12:01:06
Jim,
I read the transcript. Senator Biden along with a minister and family members...at the families request was banned from paying their respects to a family member.
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By Edwin Crosby III on 2009-11-02 12:26:40
Did I miss something ?? The story talked about Bush & Cheney NOT going to Dover AFB, then poof, nothing about that. Something not related to that story became printed in the RIGHT stories place. I would think the story about those 2 NOT going to Dover would be highly interesting. LIARS should be exposed, takes away there credibility. Hopefully, at some point, nobody will want to pay any attention to Sparkie and Mularkie.
Sorry. I left too much of this to the video itself. Laziness. I get pulled in a dozen directions.
Liz Cheney is much of the issue, her dad and bush had told her about their trips. Bush and Cheney had been telling everyone that they had been out there over and over.
O'Donnell checked as did Biden. The CO out there was very specific. They were never there.
The issues run two ways..
1. Obama being attacked for going...and not doing it quietly like bush and cheney
2. Bush and Cheney banning families and the types of receptions done in Canada and the UK..real respect...along with the horrific part...
that their stories were lies.
Yes...we can follow up...but it will all be political spin.
This is one lie...it is just such a terrible one.
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By Tom on 2009-11-02 12:56:06
The Duffster once again hit a home run. One further fact should be remembered about the Neoconservatives: many of them were communist sympathizers but Trotskyist rather than Stalinist persuasion. (Trotsky is seen as a martyr, having been murdered in Mexico City by a Stalinist agent, but he was just as vicious as Stalin, but a lot more transparent. The older Kristol, the true founding intellect, whose son William, is a pale imitator and a propogandist, was very much a trotskyist new york intellectual) A common thread to the trotskyists was a belief in the necessity for a world revolution (The more practical Stalin wanted first to consolidate his power on the Eurasian land mass, esp Russia) Trotsky wanted something like an Armageddon, but obviously not in a judeo-christian context. But a massive revolution, with many victims, after which the small number of elect would estabilish Utopia on earth. The neocons abandoned the left wing ideology behind their utopian, millenian imperialist dreams, but not their nasty factionalism, and thirst for power. When these debates were raging a generation ago, many of us in the democratic (small d) anticommunist and antifascist movement warned others not to go to bed with trotskyists or fascists. Many did not listen, so the anticommunist movement got populated with neoconservatives (who tended to be intellectuals from the east coast) and resurgent neonazis or white power nutcases from the old south. Then communism was overthrown by a combination of factors: its own dead weight, imperial over-reach in Afghanistan, truly democratic, working class movements like Solidarity or my own Hungarian Revolution which gave lie to Stalinist and Trotskyite propoganda, and indeed the firm stand of the United States and its outstanding Armed Forces (then truly in a defense, containment mode). So what could the power hungry revolutionaries of Trotsky do, now that Stalin and his heirs were indeed on the dust heap of history?? Invent Islam as the enemy, yet ally with its most intolerant breed, the Wahabbis of Saudi Arabia,ally with the most intolerant and expansionist Israelis who would make the early sabras spin in their grave and their children emigrate to America in disgust of what happened to their idealistic, democratic state, marginalize moderate arabs, fail to support the secular state of Turkey, one of our best ally who then disliked arab religious fundamentalists and deny them EU membership, make allies with the militarists of Pakistan rather than their moderate civilian leaders, and encourage militant, most un-Gandhi like Indians. In other words, set up conflics by supporting opposing extremists factions, and strive for power riding the coat tails of "popular" leaders of low intelligence. (I think its easy to admit that Cheney is a hell of a lot smarter than Dubya, but has the charisma of a warthog, while you actually would not mind to have a cold one with W.) Anyone active in the swirls of student movements in the 50's and 60's would recognise the trotskyite methods. The neocons just translated it to the right wing. The one thing in which the trotskyites and later their heirs, the neocons failed to follow their sainted founder, was service in the military. Trotsky was the chief comissar of the Red Army and won their revolution 1919-22, but largely because the Whites were divided and inattentive. Our US intervention, in Murmansk and Vladivostok fizzled out.(my grandfather is buried in Vladivostok, a victim of our inconsistent support of the US Siberian Expeditionary Force) The Commies were a menace, the Russians are good people, even though some of their soldiers had to die on the streets of Budapest. (But Hungarian KGB traitors were much worse and found some ready, crude justice from lamp posts) Militant Islamists thirsting for a Caliphate are a menace, but most arabs, turks and moslems are good people, but if they raise their Kalashnikovs against our troops, they will die on the streets of Baghdad and on the hills of Afghanistan. (Of course there we now play the ol
submit this to my email...with a writers credit and I will put it up as a guest editorial.
This reminds me of grad school at Michigan State with Walter Gourlay...Readings in History 900/Communism and the Rise of the Soviet Union.
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By Byron Skinner on 2009-11-02 13:44:17
Good Morning Duff,
Keep it up. I was reading in the LATimes this AM on what Rush Limbaugh was saying on FOX yesterday in regard to President Obama's visit last week to Doover AFB, throughly disgusting comments. The truly sad part of Limbaught's mouth is that he speaks for much of the Republican Party, especially the Reagan/Abramoff era that destroyed the US Government, which the old druggies claims to be the leader of, as well as the Bevis and Butthead Christian Conservatives who have always had distain for the military.
Again Keep it up Duff, these are the real enemies of the American Veteran.
All that has to be done is to google your name..and your empty threats, especially against women, are all over the internet.
You would love the hell out of meeting me.
My concern is that you seem to be too angry, don't follow rules well and don't always make alot of sense.
I am a friendly and outgoing person but not very far up the list of people you would enjoy threatening in person. I am at least as stubborn as u are.
Use some simple logic...you now know that Cheney and Bush were lying about going out to Dover AFB.
The proof is there.
Also, all the proof you want for your other demands can be easly purchased by buying Jeff Gates book, Guilt by Association.
I strongly suggest you read it. If you are going to run around threatening people and being angry, it would be nice if you started doing so from a more informed point of view. I really don't mind the anger.
I work with some of the toughest and meanest people on earth. I expect anger and an occasional whack in the side of the head...and love returning same.
This is how we were all taught to play in the first place. The "Marine combat veteran" part is not a joke.
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By Duffster on 2009-11-02 15:49:53
Dennis,
This is a private site, not public. Only a damned useless liberal piece of shit would constantly whine about civil rights. You sound like another one of those Obama people...maybe you are a Chicago gangster.
Go carry a sign somewhere....
U ain't go no rights....then dun been took away.
U sold them when you went "republican/fascist"
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By Mike M. on 2009-11-03 02:02:37 Dennis, Time to come down from the mountains, Out of the cabin.and eat some cooked food for a change!
By SSG Lem Genovese USA/Retired 91B on 2009-11-02 18:20:11
I cannot apologize for believing that Dick Cheney is really a SITH LORD. He meets all the requirements of a rogue jedi that never saw combat and therefore has no clue what sending good troops into harm's way for dubious at best justification does in the long term. Is it just me or are there too many GOP drones in total DENIAL of their actions the past 8 years ? This doesn't mean I'm a card carrying democrat. Why can't we as veterans demand BETTER leadership at all levels of government and accountability for their decisions without being labeled ?
By Fran Lawrence on 2009-11-03 13:24:02 SSG Lem Genovese -
"Why can't we as veterans demand BETTER leadership at all levels of government and accountability for their decisions without being labeled ?"
That's a very good question.
"Is it just me or are there too many GOP drones in total DENIAL of their actions the past 8 years ?"
No, I don't think it's just you. It's been planned, here are some of the tools and environment needed to create what we are experiencing now on a national level:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
(I can't find the video on the 'Kruger/Dunning Effect' right now... I'll post when I do... I found it educational, entertaining and sadly maybe true)
This is just my take on this subject.
By Fran Lawrence on 2009-11-03 13:54:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
By Pmacdonald on 2009-11-03 09:12:10
Newspaper opinion Complaints 11-1-09 Peter Macdonald 465 Packers falls Rd Lee NH 03824 603-659-6217 If what the people complained about was at least made public may be there would be Harmony in the world today. It is the everyday person that has the solutions or answers we just need to learn how to listen. Not every one has the correct approach but it can work to listen and decide objectively. It is easy to let an editor decide which opinion is worthy of the public learning the content of, which deprives everyone else of a view. The chaos and conflict that arises with giving one or a few such power leaves the majority with less than could be. Over time such a shared approach as in the word “we” can be compromised by complacency as the turmoil of the wars past grow deeper into history. A person uses the opinion published in the newspapers as a last approach to making a wrong public for others to see the need to be corrected. Censorship once thought of as the dictator’s control has become real today by the editors waving the private business rule. Can the word censorship and “We” help all the people equally in a society where the average citizen believes in a government that serves not controls the people equally? I read the opinion page of the Concord Monitor today. Every letter on this page is about a student being rejected from the school year book because he wears the uniform of the U.S. Military. My letter (this) as most if not all are censored from the Concord Monitor page as well as most if not all other newspapers across the U.S. because they are from a 100% disabled U.S. Marine. It is ironic that the editor would believe that a yearbook photo is more important than the disabilities of U.S. Military returning from combat. To deprive medical care as a solution to budget problems or to stop a U.S. Military Veteran’s free speech certainly warrants the people being informed. What the people complain about is real. What the U.S. Military do for this nation is taboo unless it can be used to promote some cause by politicians or those that never served. A citizen should with out pause be proud to wear or see a photo of a person in the uniform of our U.S. Military. Every citizen should help U.S. Military veterans in need of medical care or anything else with out reservation. The opinion page of the Concord Monitor as well as all the other newspapers across the U.S. should not legally be allowed to stop a complaint from those that served to keep our Constitution. People complain and when no one hears the complaint frustration enters and a solution not acceptable in a civilized society is used. It is like the Marine in NC that killed his wife. No one wants to hear the cause just use our jails to eliminate those that served. I, as most U.S. Military (Past, Present and future) am proud of what we did for the United States of American. Our complaints are censored to protect a civilized society letting so few; uses so many under the pretense Harmony will some day be achieved. Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC Semper Fi
To talk sense to Dennis, well Duff I doubt if that's an option at this point, if it ever was. When you are on the losing side of an argument and the evidence, I don't like and try not to use the word "facts", all that is left is SHOUTING and making a pest of yourself with personal attacks.
There is a place for Dennis and those who share his beliefs and it's called the soap box in the public square where the First Amendment Freedom of Speech is protected, as irony would have for folks like Dennis.
To Dennis, as I said before Freedom of the Press is limited to the guy who owns the press and he has the right to publish what ever he pleases with in the laws of libel. Accusing a public figure (celebrity if you like) of falsely (Lying) stating a past event or non event is perfectly with in Duff's rights. To permit you to post or not to post is also with in Duff's rights. Your rights on this web site are not determined by the Constitution but by Duff. I don't know Duff personally but I would say that he has exercised a great deal of journalistic restraint in putting up with you and others who feel that this site is a litter box that they sound off on.
I often disagree with Duff and he is aware of that, most of the issues we don't see eye to eye on are of little importance to me and I just don't bother to put up a response, you might try the same thing.
One of the interesting things about Jeff Gates is his analytical approach to the issue we have with Dennis.
Dennis gets angry. That isn't bad. Dennis, however, is also a VA employee....which makes me suspect of his motivations. He seems oblivious to veterans issues.
We had another poster "truther" show up yesterday. I made some calls and tracked his puter down to a VA information office in North Chicago.
He was on the clock....spending government money....better spent on patients not on total crap.
Wouldn't it be easier to stop destroying records and spend the tens of billions on medical care for sick vets instead of trolling the internet?
These are definately not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
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By Fran Lawrence on 2009-11-03 14:11:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
By Fran Lawrence on 2009-11-03 14:14:23 The Youtube address I just posted above is called: "illusion of superiority".
It helps explain why the uninformed scream the loudest.
By Byron Skinner on 2009-11-03 22:22:08 Good Evening Duff,
As you likely know I do quite a bit of posting on the military.com sites. I have a thing about buy useless high ticket weapons systems like the FCS and the F-22 to name two that have gone down in flames. Depending on the issue their appears active duty military officers on the clock defending openly the dod position and then there are the paid to post crew who will defend, as best they can industries position.
The folks are not to bright but they are better then the guys at the end of the bar who like to see their name on the screen. One of them who works both for a defense lobbyist and moonlights as a hired gun has a daughter in first year med school on his dime so I try and move as many arguments toward him as I can.
It comes with the territory I guess Duff.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
By Ex29J-1stBatt5thSFGAirborne on 2009-11-03 22:59:52
When I look for sources to back up any of SOME of your rantings and ravings, IN PARTICULAR the author's (loose usage there for sure) I can't find any. In fact, what I do find COMPLETELY and CONSISTENTLY CONTRADICTS what MOST of you are ranting and raving about, IN PARTICULAR the author. The pictures used for this article (I almost puked just typing that word about this tripe) are fake, doctored, not real, photo shopped. Is Dan Rather on the board of directors of this outfit? I was directed to this article by another bed wetter, and when I pointed out the obvious in this 4th grade composition, even he said he was taken. I think you people are old, and soft, in the early stages of dementia (some of you are quite advanced), and you probably left the best part of your reasoning abilities in what ever branch you served when ever you served, IF you ever served. Thankfully, if your Chairman Obama has his way, most of you people will be the first to suffer and be done away with. We can’t control health care costs trying to care for a bunch of old mentally ill veterans.
If you think you are a special forces badass...then ask col jim hanke how you would do running your mouth around me.
You sound to me like a petty punk fatass phony. Give us your name...and I will have the Special Forces Association check you out.
They love phonies. I will let them run your IP address. Real special forces folks have real names.
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By Duffster on 2009-11-04 00:33:36
Boys tell me that you work for State Farm Insurance in Woodbridge, Virginia.
You must be highly trained in secret skills.
I am impressed.
Can u arrange for a quote on my car insurance?
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By Ex29J-1stBatt5thSFGAirborne on 2009-11-03 23:02:19
Further, damn spell check is just too easy...I just don't get it. And don't worry, this is my first time reading an article from this site and my last, as well as my last post. You're welcome.
It is people like you that make more folks switch to Geico.
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By Terry Lee on 2009-11-04 01:40:36 Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Ha ha ha
By Mike M. on 2009-11-04 12:28:06 Gordon, Don,t worry. That was really just the Geico Caveman. He will go back in the cave now to play with himself and be himself.
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NO TIME TO HONOR AMERICA'S DEAD: BUSH/CHENEY HAD OTHER PRIORITIES, LIKE WHEN THEY MISSED THE VIETNAM WAR
Nozette believed he was spying against the US for Israel and, when approached by FBI agents pretending to be Mossad agents, showed surprise. He said he had been working for the Mossad for years. However, this was not the case.
The destruction on 9/11 and the Iraq invasion closely parallel scenarios described in these books. The number of bizarre coincidences involving these and many other issues seem, to many, overwhelming, showing a human, if not diabiolical hand. 
