A Significant Defeat for the Zionist Lobby?

A significant defeat for the Zionist lobby?


By Alan Hart


I would like the headline to be a statement but it has to be a question.

As I write it looks as though the Zionist lobby realises that it overplayed its hand in smearing Chuck Hagel in the hope of causing President Obama to back off nominating him for the post defense secretary. The implication is not that the lobby’s stooges in the Senate will refrain from giving Hagel a hard time at his confirmation hearing, but that they will not risk, at least for a while, further public exposure as Israel Firsters by causing the nomination to be rejected.

How much Obama himself is to be credited with outflanking the Zionist lobby on this occasion is a good question. There is certainly a case for saying that by authorising the leaking of Hagel’s name well in advance of the presidential nomination, Obama was deliberately provoking the Zionist lobby (and its neo-con associates) confident in the knowledge that there would be enough eminent and respected Americans, including some Jewish Americans, who would come forward to defend Hagel and rubbish the Zionist lobby’s smear campaign.

There were and Justin Raimondo put it this way. “When the ultra neo-cons of the Emergency Committee for Israel launched their propaganda offensive to cleanse the body politic of Hegelian revisionism, they took their campaign to ‘Criticize Hagel, Criticize Obama’ to such ridiculously vicious lengths that they inspired a vigorous pushback from the sort of people who had put up with their nonsense for too long: grizzled veterans of the diplomatic, political, and military corps who had sat in silence during the Bush years as the neo-cons played havoc with the country’s foreign policy.”

If as seems most likely Hagel is confirmed, it will be a defeat for the Zionist lobby, but how significant will that actually be? Will it be an indication that the lobby is beginning to lose its grip and, if it is, that we can look forward to a second-term Obama making best use of his greater freedom by doing whatever is necessary to get a real Middle East peace process going?

It all depends, I think, on why, really, Obama wanted the Republican Hagel as his top man in the Pentagon.

There are some who believe that Obama sees in Hagel a man who will assist him to put America’s own best interests first by ending the Zionist lobby’s control of policy for Israel-Palestine. In this way of interpreting Obama’s motivation, great attention is paid to one particular statement Hagel made when he was a senator and which, some like to believe, inspired the president to conclude that he, Hagel, was the best man for the job. This was Hagel’s statement:

“The political reality is that … the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here … I’ve always argued against some of the dumb things they do, because I don’t think it’s in the interest of Israel … I’m not an Israeli senator. I’m a United States senator. I support Israel, but my first interest is, I take an oath of office to the Constitution of the United States, not to a president, not to a party, not to Israel.”

But the prospect of having a much respected Republican ally for second-term effort to break free from the Zionist lobby’s controlling grip may not have been the main reason, or even a reason, for Obama’s decision to nominate Hagel. It could be that David Brooks hit the nail on the head in an op-ed analysis for the New York Times.

Under the headline Why Hagel Was Picked, Brooks opened up with this observation:

“Americans don’t particularly like government, but they do want government to subsidize their health care. They believe that health care spending improves their lives more than any other public good. In a Quinnipiac poll, typical of many others, Americans opposed any cuts to Medicare by a margin of 70 percent to 25 percent.”

Brooks then noted that the line tracing federal health care spending “looks like the slope of a jet taking off from LaGuardia,” and that Medicare spending “is set to nearly double over the next decade.” This, he added, is the crucial element driving all federal spending over the next few decades and pushing federal debt to about 250 percent of G.D.P. in 30 years. “There are no conceivable tax increases that can keep up with this spending rise.”

In my view what Brooks went on to say contains the key to real understanding of not only why Obama wanted Hagel, but also what we can and cannot expect from a second-term Obama presidency on policy for Israel-Palestine.

So far, Brooks noted, defense budgets have not been squeezed by the ever rising demand for expenditure on Medicare. (The military budget has more than doubled since 9/11). “But that is about to change.”

To set up his main argument Brooks drew off one advanced by Oswald Spengler, the German historian and philosopher (1880 – 1936) who wrote The Decline of the West. Spengler, Brooks said, “was certainly correct when he told European leaders that they could either be global military powers or pay for their welfare states, but they couldn’t do both.”

Brooks continued:

“Europeans, who are ahead of us in confronting that decision, have chosen welfare over global power. European nations can no longer perform many elemental tasks of moving troops and fighting. As late as the 1990s, Europeans were still spending 2.5 percent of G.D.P. on defense. Now that spending is closer to 1.5 percent, and, amid European malaise, it is bound to sink further.

“The United States will undergo a similar process. The current budget calls for a steep but possibly appropriate decline in defense spending, from 4.3 percent of G.D.P. to 3 percent, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

“As the federal government becomes a health care state, there will have to be a generation of defense cuts that overwhelm anything in recent history. Keep in mind how brutal the budget pressure is going to be. According to the Government Accountability Office, if we act on entitlements today, we will still have to cut federal spending by 32 percent and raise taxes by 46 percent over the next 75 years to meet current obligations. If we postpone action for another decade, then we have to cut all non-interest federal spending by 37 percent and raise all taxes by 54 percent.

“As this sort of crunch gradually tightens, Medicare will be the last to go. Spending on things like Head Start, scientific research and defense will go quicker. These spending cuts will transform America’s stature in the world, making us look a lot more like Europe today.

Chuck Hagel has been nominated to supervise the beginning of this generation-long process of defense cutbacks. If a Democratic president is going to slash defense, he probably wants a Republican at the Pentagon to give him political cover, and he probably wants a decorated war hero to boot.”

For absolute clarity, “to boot” in the sentence above means “as well” or “also”. It does not mean  that Hagel was selected for the prime purpose of assisting Obama to put the boot into the Zionist lobby


The conclusion I think the Brooks analysis invites is this. Throughout of all his second term, Obama’s main focus will be on his legacy – “How will I be seen in history?” His priority will therefore be oversight management of America’s economy, to prevent it collapsing on his watch and possibly provoking at some point a revolution of rising discontent which could see America burning; and that is not going to allow Obama the time and the mind space to do what is necessary to cause (or try to cause) the Zionist state to be serious about peace on terms most Palestinians could just about accept.  I also think this is most likely to be the case even if in his head and his heart Obama would like to read the riot act to Israel.

My guess is that Obama will content himself with the thought that Israel is becoming more and more of a pariah state because of its own actions and that Zionism is on the road to self-destruction.

The alternative speculation, as outlined by Raimondo, is that it’s because of the Legacy Factor that Obama will make resolving the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel a top priority. Raimondo put it this way:

“The domestic economic situation is not going to improve much over the next four years, and I think the President knows that this will be an uphill battle. So where does that leave his legacy?

“Most Presidents move on the foreign policy front in their second terms, and this one will be no exception. And where this President is likely to make his move is where two of his Democratic predecessors tried, and failed, to make their respective marks, and that is in finally forging a lasting peace accord in the Middle East.”

It is, of course, true that if Obama became the peacemaker he would go down in history as not only a great president but, most probably, the greatest president in American history. But could that really be his legacy?

For the sake of discussion let’s assume that Obama can break the Zionist lobby’s iron grip on policy (an awesome assumption), and does become free to use the leverage any American president has to press Israel to be serious about peace on terms most Palestinians could just about accept, what then? Does it automatically follow that Zionism’s in-Israel leaders would say, “Okay, Mr. President, we’ll do what you want.”?

No! No! No!

In my view there is a very strong possibility, even a probability, that if a second-term President Obama did turn some real heat on Israel to back a demand that it end its defiance of international law and its occupation of the West Bank and its siege of the Gaza Strip, its leaders would say to him, “Go to hell!” There would also be a possibility that they would demonstrate their fury and teach him a lesson by creating some havoc in the region. What do I mean?

When President Carter worked with the Soviet Union to produce a joint superpower declaration of principles on the way to peace, all Arab governments and Arafat’s PLO agreed to co-operate, only Israel rejected this superpower initiative. Prime Minister Begin sent his foreign minister, General Moshe Dayan, to Washington for a conversation with Carter. Very shortly after it, the joint US-Soviet Declaration was torn up and replaced with a new memorandum of US-Israel understanding. What happened? Dayan said to Carter: “Mr. President, you must understand that my prime minister is mad. If you push him too far he could bomb the Arab oil wells.” (If Obama did put real pressure on Israel, it’s not impossible that Netanyahu would send his foreign minister to Washington to say to the president: “You must understand that my prime minister is crazy. If you push him too far he could bomb Iran.”)

Obama is not stupid. He knows that if he did seek to put real pressure on Israel, it could all go horribly wrong and leave him with a legacy that was not worth having.

For that reason I believe (I would love to be proved wrong by events) that there is almost no chance of a really serious and sustainable push for peace during Obama’s second term.

Back to my headline question. Hagel’s confirmation by the Senate will be a defeat for the Zionist lobby (and its non-Jewish neo-con associates), but whether or not it will be seen in the future as the beginning of a process that ended the lobby’s iron grip on policy for Israel-Palestine is a very big, open question.

There is, however, a sign, a very small one but still a sign, that such a process might (repeat might) be getting underway.

An important red line was crossed by those veterans of the diplomatic, political, and military establishments who dared to go public with their criticism and condemnation of the campaign by the Zionist lobby (and its neo-con associates) to demonize Hagel.

That crossing put the issue of America’s “special relationship” with Israel on the agenda for open debate. As Raimondo noted: “That has never happened before. The issue of Israel was always considered to be beyond debate, the most recent example of this uniformity of opinion being the last presidential debate between Obama and Romney in which the candidates spent a great deal of time competing with each other to see who could be more effusive in their undying support for the Jewish state.” (I do wish Raimondo and others would stop using the term “Jewish state”. How could it be that when one nearly one quarter of its citizens are Arab and mainly Muslim? Israel is a Zionist state).

In an op-ed for the New York Times, Roger Cohen was refreshingly honest about the need for debate. He wrote:

“President Obama’s decision to nominate Chuck Hagel, a maverick Republican with enough experience of war to loathe it, as his next secretary of defense is the right choice for many reasons, chief among them that it will provoke a serious debate on what constitutes real friendship toward Israel. That debate, which will unfold during Senate confirmation hearings, is much needed because Jewish leadership in the United States is often unrepresentative of the many American Jews who have moved on from the view that the only legitimate support of Israel is unquestioning support of Israel, and the only mark of friendship is uncritical embrace of a friend.”

If Jewish Americans in growing numbers end their silence on Israel’s behaviour (as a non-Jew I can say criminal behaviour) and participate in open debate, there will then be a real prospect of transforming the Zionist lobby’s temporary defeat into a permanent one.

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20 Responses to "A Significant Defeat for the Zionist Lobby?"

  1. Ken Rechtstein  January 12, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Mr Hart,

    You are definitely and absolutely self-contradicting.

    In a previous article dated 2nd January 2013 (“The Message from an Israeli think-tank…”), you were advising the Palestinians to dissolve the PA and let the Dons of Talmudlandia take care of them:

    Quote: “…the occupied and oppressed Palestinians would have to set the ball rolling by demanding and bringing about the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority, in order to make Israel fully responsible and accountable for its occupation.” Unquote

    My comments (which remained unanswered from your part) to that post were as follow: (…)

    1) What Mr Hart is advocating for, specially after the recent vote by the UN General Assembly in favor of a Palestinian State, is a clean suicide and legal burial of the STATUS of the PA as the Representative (with all the shortcomings it has accumulated through the time) of the Palestinian People, being that condition even recognized by Hamas, for pragmatic reasons, because Talmudlandia (i.e. Israel) and those who support it, unilaterally-hypocritically, do not recognize Hamas as the lawfully-democratically elected PA.

    2) The legal consequences of the insane SCUTTLING, Mr Hart recommends, would be immediately taken by the Zion Talmudic Mafia Dons, as a total renunciation to all and every single right or “accord” the Palestinians had or have acquired since Palestine was invaded by hordes of immigrants Jews coming from Europe, because the Europeans did not want them there and the Zion Talmudists wanted them to be settlers in an already populated land, in the hands of the occupying Brits, in order to create a beach head in the Middle East, a retreat if anything goes wrong (again) in Europe or even America-the ex URSS, specially if the Myths-Manipulations and Lies connected to WW I and WW II were to be discovered, uncovering who were the cause of the slaughter of 60.000.000 people and the destruction of most EU except France-GB-Scandinavia, and WHY!

    3) If I was a Zion Talmudic Don or simply a Talmud believing Jew, and the Palestinians followed Mr Hart’s foolish and maybe even fooling advice, I will CYNICALLY say to the International Community: “Look at Those Palestinian Clowns. We always told you that they were LUNATICS-UNRELIABLE. Now that we have spent 65 years, with much sacrifices,trying to reach an agreement with these terrorists, there is no PA to talk with. Now they want us instead to take care of them, and see they have renunciated to the Palestinian State, they were recently asking for in the UN”. What Mr Hart wants the Palestinians to do is commit collective suicide” (…) Unquote

    Now, Mr Hart, (less than 10 days after your above stated recommendation to the Palestinians), you are telling us, with much strong conviction that the Zion Talmudic Mafia Dons will tell president Obama: “Go to Hell” if he puts the heat on the SAME Mafia, in order to force it to accept a settlement with the Palestinians:

    Quote: “For the sake of discussion let’s assume that Obama can break the Zionist lobby’s iron grip on policy (an awesome assumption), and does become free to use the leverage any American president has to press Israel to be serious about peace on terms most Palestinians could just about accept, what then? Does it automatically follow that Zionism’s in-Israel leaders would say, “Okay, Mr. President, we’ll do what you want.”?

    No! No! No!

    In my view there is a very strong possibility, even a probability, that if a second-term President Obama did turn some real heat on Israel to back a demand that it end its defiance of international law and its occupation of the West Bank and its siege of the Gaza Strip, its leaders would say to him, “Go to hell!” There would also be a possibility that they would demonstrate their fury and teach him a lesson by creating some havoc in the region.” Unquote.

    Well, Mr Hart, here we have it in print: “Les counseilleurs ne sont pas les payeurs” as the French would say. Whose interests you defend Mr. Hart? What made think that the Palestinians, (committing suicide if they followed your “wise advise”), will succeed there, where even the president of the USA will not have the slightest chance to prevail?

    I do recommend VT readers to read between the lines present article of Mr Hart. Many surprises are buried in there, including who the article is meant for.

  2. Mike Kay  January 11, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Mr. Hart,
    Excellent analysis, but your arguments tend to become circular when you digress from observing facts and connecting dots to prognostication.
    Going back to your salient point, the nomination of Mr. Hagel, the crucial observation is that those who sat back and shut up for so long while their own were roasted by the Jewish lobby are no longer doing so. Doubtless, Aipac and their litany of interwoven interests have indeed crossed a line, and this line is visible to all.
    The same secrecy that shrouded the Jewish lobby and aided them in their control of America is now serving to raise even greater suspicion regarding their actions. As pointed out above, it is widely recognized that the leaders of the new push for weapon bans are Jewish politicians. It is widely recognized that the USS Liberty was not an incident, or a mistake, but a well planned traitorous act. It is widely understood that IDF snipers murdered hundreds of American troops in order to fan the flames of retribution against an innocent Iraqi population. Jonathan Pollard, the unrepentant traitor, is not forgotten. Now, after images of suspects fleeing the scene of the terror attack at Newton, we are questioning the role of “our friends” in this act of evil.
    Yes sir, the nature of America’s bondage to Israel is indeed being examined. The “special relationship” is indeed being put under the light. Jews themselves had better take note of this, because the quiet war is over.

  3. OrdinarySerf  January 11, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Thank you for this interesting article Alan.

    For ‘absolute’ absolute clarity, ‘to boot’ also doesn’t mean Obama wants to ‘put the boot into’ someone with Hagel’s background…..or does it ? The salient comment section points here have been made by Dennis Morrisseau (FB) and Trapper. The real way to recover control of a country and its destiny is to get the money supply back into the hands of the sovereign government (as Lincoln and Kennedy were moving to do). That way Obama gets the people out of the ‘Money as Debt’ generational Zionist bankster enslavement and there is no debate about defense or welfare spending choices to be had.

    The chances of Obama moving to do this as his real legacy ? ZERO….in other words, Barry doesn’t fancy going the same way as his two more courageous predecessors.

    On the subject of legacy (and your comment….”Obama is not stupid. He knows that if he did seek to put real pressure on Israel, it could all go horribly wrong and leave him with a legacy that was not worth having…..”) this reminds me of Blair in his second and third terms……everything is about their own self interest in leaving a perceived ‘legacy’, ‘making their mark on history’ etc. and nothing whatsoever to do with acting in the interests of the people they are supposed to represent and allowing accomplishments or otherwise to be judged (reassessed) in the fullness of time.

    Pleased to see you back with some interesting commentary Rahnameh….but nobody should be holding their breath that Hagel’s nomination is a turning point here and I recommend Bob Johnston’s more recently posted article “Applying Philosophy to Hagel’s Comments on Israel” as a fine additional perspective on this and ponders whether Hagel is in fact being put forward to oversee massive cuts and more austerity.

    • OrdinarySerf  January 11, 2013 at 8:10 pm

      Sorry, getting slightly confused between the two excellent articles – the reference to Hagel overseeing cuts and choices between defense and welfare is above. Bob refers to the naive notion of tax collectors establishing freedom (AKA collecting tax to pay interest to banksters on the national debt) .

  4. K7KTR  January 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    My Cousin 0 God I hate to admit that… Obama, Will be known as yet another War Criminal in our family circle. There is no way to see it looking from another point of view that HE TODAY Arm’s the same Al Qaeda from Libya and now in Syria that have murdered over 100,000 (So Far)..

    It is also a Memory to know what Obama is doing is Tantamount to Treason in violation of the very NDAA again signed but USED against the American People and not the U.S. Government’s doings. People wont care if he’s black, well endowed or a good family man. No in reverse we will remember the fake tears he displayed for American Children while as Military Times says it is POLICY that the U.S. Bombs all Military aged males and now Children too. (These Children might be planting IEDs) But as the CIA admits, “They can’t readily ID who is who from their Drones that circle thousands of feet above the bombed out towns of the Middle East.”

    Obama can continue to sign his Executive Orders (Impressed on the Military/Government) as he can’t order American Civilian’s around, Just those he is Commander and Chief of.

    Nothing could erased what he has done towards those in countries the US has never declared war on yet bombs inside their countries anyway. Generations will have to die before their anger towards this country dies. For Obama daily creates Terrorist that he eventually Arms anyway.

    Someday these Arms will comeback to Haunt us as Missiles really start taking down Airliners and the Arms and Man-Pads will be used against us. Obama gets a BIG “F” as a President. But thankfully Romney isn’t in there either. No Damage control would fix that.

    As far as Israel, Israel is a FAILED STATE. The United Nations has Failed also to unite any nation. If AIRPAC controls the US which is true, then one can only see who has infiltrated the U.N. also.

    We as a Nation will never be seen as Good until those who committed these War Crimes are in Prison. Then this country will prosper again. But good article Mr. Hart.

    Good to see you Rahnameh

    • denysepez  January 12, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      This is what the people in Iceland were going through, only difference really is they said enough! and today are one of the fastest growing countries.. with the citizens calling the shots honest citizens when will we all say enough and take back our Country?. I hate to admit this but I cant imagine anyone in office that has the courage to stand up and say ENOUGH! So it means that it really is Left to all of us the people. …..

  5. blakehamilton  January 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I do wish Raimondo and others would stop using the term “Jewish state”.
    Even Truman’s letter of recognition crossed out the words “Jewish state” and replaced that wording with “State of Israel”,

  6. PhilipShahak  January 11, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I like the pic. It reminds me of my uncle who told me when I was little that Samson killed a thousand Philistines with the arse bone of a Jew.

  7. The Rahnameh  January 11, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Mr. Hart,

    I have written to you before about the poison of “political correctness” and its adulteration of free speech and the truth. Now, I will insist again that you spit out this vile toxin and re-direct your complaints to the individuals and groups who claim they are of the “Jewish” demographic in relation to Israel instead of those simply calling a spade a spade.

    Benjamin Netanyahu readily safeguards the title of his regime, “The Jewish State of Israel”. Ari Fleischer, David Frum, et. al. belong to the Republican Jewish Coalition. The “J” in J Street does not stand for Christianity or Islam. The list is endless. And after all, all of the above, plus others including Christian Zionists, lobby support and interest for Jewish nationalism, otherwise known as “Zionism”.

    The courting of Israeli special interests is directed at procuring, specifically, Jewish donors’ money and Jewish influence on the American public opinion. Even the ego-centric title of the “Saban Center for Middle East Policy”, the largest think tank supporting Jewish nationalism, is focused on providing support for the “Jewish State of Israel”. As founder Chaim Saban put it to the New York Times, ““I’m a one issue guy, and my issue is Israel”.

    Also, Israel does not have a diverse demographic, the Occupied State of Palestine possesses one. Those captives still within the Israeli Regime’s undefined borders are occupied and subject to standards far worse than apartheid — Nelson Mandela never had to complain of assault by an army, air force, navy, encampments made to starve a population, white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and more.

    Now, if there are any Jews out there who do not wish to be associated with “The Jewish State of Israel”, or the many “Jewish interest support groups” that are tantamount to the “Jewish Nationalism Lobby”, then let them step forward. It is not up to you or I to sugarcoat through semantics the reality of the situation, nor is it the duty of Raimando et. al. Indeed, this sort of effort by you to play into the political correctness game strengthens the Jewish lobby’s gambit to hijack a broader demographic, hide under a religion, and more to cause tremendous and detrimental hurt to the United States, the rest of the world, and not to mention themselves (it is self-destructive).

    Most of us are quite aware that the issues presented relevant to Zionism are of a power-political nature deceptively disguised as religious policy. But, where are the so-called resentful American Jews to speak out about the disconnect between them and the voices we hear now? I can count and name them using only one hand, and even then, some disqualify themselves by secretly working for “Jewish interests” under a different, more manipulative marketing campaign.

    This is a significant defeat for the Jewish lobby and signals a return of leadership to American hands of US policy. The shift is that the United States will maintain a future neutrality towards Israel and Israel’s regional opponents, deciding how it will deal with each based on its own, exclusive national interest. This is the same way China and Russia regularly deal with both Israel and Iran. It makes no sense for us to grant an Eastern Monopoly to Iran’s economy, which has the 18th largest GDP (CIA World Factbook 2012) while a majority of Americans want to do business with Iran (CNBC Poll Dec. 2010).

    But, this shift also designates a return of responsibility to the US, and America has an interest in retaining a soft hegemony over the region. The burden to create peace feasibly may only happen in the following manner:

    1- Israel no longer exists (this is the only way) and Palestine recovers its land in full, allowing Israelis to live in Palestine as lawful abiding citizens. This would be the equivalent of a one-state reconciliation as seen in South Africa under Mandela. The maintenance of a Jewish identity in the region would be the responsibility of those Jewish inhabitants who stay, just as they have been able to maintain a Jewish identity in other regions of the world without resorting to brutal oppression; and,

    2- Ending the fraudulent, Zionist-borne nuclear stand-off with Iran, allowing Iran its full entitlements under the NPT, and providing Iran with INCENTIVES, not “sticks”, to re-engage with the Western world after having been brutally and wrongfully ostracized in view of Israeli lies.

    • DaveE  January 11, 2013 at 6:19 pm

      “Now, if there are any Jews out there who do not wish to be associated with “The Jewish State of Israel”, or the many “Jewish interest support groups” that are tantamount to the “Jewish Nationalism Lobby”, then let them step forward.”

      Man, you got that right. If they don’t get REAL BUSY, REAL FAST, they’re going to be taught the real meaning of the word “holocaust” ™.

      I wish it didn’t have to come to that, but they’re running out of time very quickly. They’ve had 100 years (minimum) to stand for justice, with about 273 decent Jews stepping up to the plate……. not real impressive.

      Have you guys hear of about the war the zionists have declared on gun owners, by murdering John Noveske and Keith Ratliffe, two big pro-second amendment gun-rights types? See Rense for details….

      I’d say they just declared war. It ain’t gonna be pretty from here on out…….. as if that weren’t obvious……..

  8. shachalnur  January 11, 2013 at 9:21 am

    The “Israel” lobby has been split.
    Aipac,ADL etc. are still taking orders from the European bankers,like Obama does.
    I call them Banker lobbies.
    Their loyalty is principally to the bankers,Israel is second.
    The Likud lobby is being destroyed in the US and Europe.
    In the meantime Pannetta made it clear yesterday that US is aborting the Syria/Iran invasion(Debkafile).
    Israel is being dropped,all players involved know this,and are taking precautions.
    In the meantime the MSM is keeping everybody asleep on this development.
    The aim is to let the Syria war spill over to Lebanon and Israel,and set of a domino effect all the way up to China.
    US and Europe will do nothing and let the Middle East players solve it themselves..

    Watch out for the flu that’s on the loose,it might be a Dutch creation,Ron Fouchier,Erasmus university.
    Big ,creepy ,interview in Dutch newspaper last month,claiming they’ve succeeded in making the flu airborne between people.
    Ron Foucher is on the Time’s 100 most influential people,nobody in Holland knows him.
    Huge false flag coming up,not disconnected from what’s happening in the Middle East.

  9. Trapper  January 11, 2013 at 9:17 am

    How about we all accept the reality that a foreign state has taken us over and uses us like toilet paper? Who cares about themselves, their family or wealth anyways? If we get killed or maimed or impoverished by the the chosen people who are we to question God? The Bible is true, historically accurate, the Jews are holy, and heaven awaits us if we only obey.

    That is how all of you all are acting, and it is pathetic. What we need to do is arrest the dual citizen traitors and prosecute them for treason, RICO their assets, repudiate the Jewish owned Federal Reserve debt and nationalize it, print up real dollars. Iceland did it, are we the land of the free and brave like we like to believe? Arrest the criminal class and prosecute, if you don’t then there is no rule of law and everything is a farce especially the authority and legitimacy of the state.

    Do you like to live in a civilization or third world chaos? Its a clear choice, and because we don’t act we have act after act of staged terror, from USS Liberty to 911 to Sandy Hook, according to Gordon Duff on his latest appearance on Rense radio, Israeli commandos went into one of schools and killed our children, shooting them point blank range in the face and the Jewish media is now using this as a reason to disarm us.

    It’s not ok, its time to take up arms and overthrow the illegitimate criminal class.

    • johnsholtes  January 13, 2013 at 11:57 pm

      There is a resistance and there is no sign up no organised militia but we stand alone each individual has to do what he can. The enemy is already attacking us and you must be willing to put your life on the line and ready to ddrop them at the fall of the hat. They will come to you and it is easier to find them when they try to find you.
      This war is happening now and we need fighters. We need Military trained men

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