Palestine Peace Talks – All Smoke and Mirrors, plus Stacking the Deck

Leiberman maneuvers behind Bibi to grab his spot any way that he can
Leiberman maneuvers behind Bibi to grab his spot any way that he can, and soon


Bibi  &  Libie

(Netanyahu  and  Lieberman)

…by  Uri Avnery, …with  Gush Shalom, Israel


" In the Begining "
” In the Begining “

[ Editors Note:  Dear readers, We have another great piece by Uri today, an intimate peek into the changing political and culutural complexties of trying to get a peace deal done for Palestine.

And yes, we all know that the Zios are not willing partners for peace because things like borders would then become fixed and the Israeli people might want a Constitution some day, which they have never had.

And then there is the Zios’ worse nigthmare, that with peace in the Mid East the focus for them to hand over their offensive WMD stockpiles would grow to the point that if they refused, which they would, that the sanctions ship headed their way would get a strong wind in its sails.

So they will do all that they can to keep a state of undeclared war continuing. That is the source of their power because it pulls in all the outside funding, without which they could not sustain their offensive capacity. The Israeli people would never pay the taxes to support it, and never have really.

The world Jewish Lobby, their offensive Intel which includes massive industrial espionage to steal trade secrets, corrupt legislators, and America’s Christian Zionists and other taxpayers have been footing the bill, and borrowing the moneynow to keep doing it.

Too few read the archive material - it's really good.
Too few read the archive material

There will never be peace in Palestine until it is imposed by outside forces. But no one wants to buy that tar baby, not yet anyway.

We will keep working hard to reveal the national security threat that Israel’s militant Zionists and their 5th column helpers represent all over the world.

It will happen when people have had enough and decide to give the Zios a big dose of their own medicine, to use their own pre-emptive strike doctrine to eliminate them for the threat they obviously are.

But we will have to be careful to leave behind the good ones, those who want to live in peace with their neighbors without having the boot on their necks… Jim W. Dean ]



Uri in the Knesset with Ben Gurion - a long time ago
Uri in the Knesset with David Ben Gurion – a long time ago

PERHAPS I am too stupid, but for the heck of me I cannot understand the sense of the Israeli demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

On the face of it, it seems like a clever trick by Binyamin Netanyahu to divert attention from the real issues. If so, the Palestinian leadership has fallen into a trap.

Instead of talking about the independence of the putative State of Palestine and its borders, its capital in Jerusalem, the removal of the settlements, the fate of the refugees and the solution of the many other problems, they quarrel endlessly about the definition of Israel.

One is tempted to call out to the Palestinians: what the hell, accord them this damn recognition and be done with it! Who cares!?

THE ANSWER of the Palestinian negotiators is twofold. First, recognizing Israel as a Jewish State would be an act of betrayal towards the million and a half Palestinians who are citizens of Israel, If Israel is a Jewish State, where does that leave them?

Well, that problem could be solved by a provision in the peace treaty stating that irrespective of anything else in the agreement, the Palestinian citizens of Israel will enjoy full equality in every respect.

Second, that the recognition of Israel’s Jewishness would block the return of the refugees. That argument is even less valid than the first. The solution of the refugee problem will be a central plank of the treaty. The Palestinian leadership, at the time of Yasser Arafat, already tacitly accepted that the solution will be an “agreed” one, so that any return will be at most symbolic. The recognition issue will not affect it.

The early Zionist map for the 'Jewish State'
The early Zionist map for the ‘Jewish State’

The debate on this Israeli demand is entirely ideological. Netanyahu demands that the Palestinian people accept the Zionist narrative.

The Palestinian refusal is based on the Arab narrative, which contradicts the Zionist one on practically every single event that happened during the last 130 years, if not the last 5000.

Mahmoud Abbas could just come forward and announce: OK, if you accept our practical demands, we shall recognize Israel as whatever you want – a Buddhist State, a Vegetarian State, you name it.

On September 10, 1993 – which happened to be my 70th birthday – Yasser Arafat, on behalf of the Palestinian people, recognized the State of Israel, in return for the no less momentous recognition of the Palestinian people by Israel. Implicitly, each side recognized the other as it is. Israel defined itself in its founding document as a Jewish State. Ergo, the Palestinians have already recognized a Jewish State.

By the way, the first step towards Oslo was made by Arafat when he told his representative in London, Said Hamami, to publish in the “Times” of London on December 17, 1973, a proposal for a peaceful solution, which stated among other things that,

…“the first step must be the mutual recognition of these two sides. The Jewish-Israelis and the Palestinian-Arabs must recognize each other as peoples with all the rights of peoples.” I saw the original draft of this statement with corrections in Arafat’s hand.

THE PROBLEM of the Palestinian minority in Israel – about 20% of Israel’s eight million citizens – is very serious, but it has now acquired a humorous twist.

Since his acquittal from corruption charges and return to the Foreign Office, Avigdor Lieberman is at it again. He has come out supporting John Kerry’s peace efforts, much to the chagrin of Netanyahu, who does not.

Lieberman represent the ultra-nationalist Russian pretend-a-Jews
Lieberman represent the ultra-nationalist Russian pretend-a-Jews

Why, for heaven’s sake? Lieberman aspires to become prime minister some day, as soon as possible.

For this he has to (1) unite his “Israel Our Home” party with the Likud, (2) become leader of the Likud, (3) win the general elections. But over all these there hovers (4): obtain the approval of the Americans. So Lieberman now supports the American effort and peace.

Yes, but under one condition: that the US accept his master plan for the Jewish State.

This is a masterpiece of constructive statesmanship. Its main proposal is to move the borders of Israel – not eastward, as could be expected from an arch-nationalist, but westward, slimming Israel’s narrow hips even further, to a mere 9 (nine!) km.

The Israeli territory that Lieberman wants to get rid of is the site of a dozen Arab villages, which were given Israel as a gift by the then king of Jordan in the armistice agreement of 1949. Abdallah I, the great-great-grandfather of the current Abdallah II of Jordan, needed the armistice at any price. Lieberman now wants to give these villages back, thank you.

Why? Because for this stalwart of Jewish Israel, the reduction of the Arab population is a sacred task. He does not advocate expulsion, God forbid. Not at all. He proposes attaching this area, with its population, to the Palestinian state. In return, he wants the Jewish settlement blocs in the West Bank to be joined to Israel. A transfer of areas with their populations, reminiscent of Stalin’s redrawing the borders of Poland, except that Lieberman’s borders look completely crazy.

Lieberman presents this as a peaceful, liberal, humane plan. No one will be displaced, no property expropriated. Some 300 thousand Arabs, all of them ardent supporters of the Palestinian struggle for statehood, will become Palestinian citizens.

SO WHY do the Palestinians in Israel cry out? Why do they condemn the plan as a racist assault on their rights?

The Palestinians have changed a lot from the old days. They are not really one group really, but several.
The Palestinians have changed a lot from the old days. They are not really one group really, but several.

Because they are far more Israeli than they care to admit, even to themselves. After living in Israel for 65 years, they have become accustomed to its ways. They don’t love Israel, they don’t serve in its army, they are discriminated against in many ways, but they are deeply rooted in the Israeli economy and democracy, much more than is generally recognized.

“Israeli Arabs”, a term they hate, play a significant role in Israeli hospitals and courts, including the Supreme Court, and in many other institutions.

Becoming citizens of Palestine tomorrow would mean losing 80% or 90% of their standard of living. It would also mean losing the social security net enjoyed in Israel although Lieberman promises to continue payments to those currently eligible.

After being used for decades to fair elections and the lively give-and-take of the Knesset, they would have to get used to a society in which, as of now, important parties are forbidden, elections are postponed and parliament plays a minor role. The place of women in this society is very different from their role in Israel.

The situation of the Palestinians in Israel is unique in many respects. On the one side, as long as Israel is defined as a Jewish State, the Arabs will not be fully equal. On the other side, in the occupied Palestinian territories, these Israeli citizens are not accepted as fully belonging.

They straddle both sides of the conflict. They would like to be mediators, the link between the two sides, bringing them closer to each other. But this has remained a dream. A complicated situation, indeed.

Making Israel more 'Jewish' - Imagine that
Making Israel more ‘Jewish’ – Imagine that

IN THE meantime, Netanyahu and Lieberman are hatching another plan to make Jewish Israel even Jewisher.

There are today three factions in the Knesset which derive their votes from the Arab population. They constitute almost 10% of the Knesset.

Why not 20%, to reflect their part in the general population? First because they have many more children, who have not yet reached voting age (18 years). Second, their rate of abstention is significantly higher. Third, some Arabs are bribed to vote for Zionist parties.

The part of the Arab MKs in enacting laws is negligible. Any bill they introduce is almost automatically voted down. No Jewish party ever considered including them in a government coalition. Yet they have a very noticeable presence, their voice is heard.

Now, in the name of “governability” (a trendy new term that can be used to justify any attack on human rights), Bibi & Libie, as someone called them, want to change the minimum share of votes that any election list needs to enter the Knesset.

I was elected three times to the Knesset when the threshold was 1%. Later it was raised to 2%. Now the plan is to raise the threshold to 3.25%, which in the elections a year ago would have equaled 123,262 votes. Only one of the three “Arab” parties crossed this line – and then only barely. There is no assurance that it could do so again.

The Zionists have been masters at playing the divide and conquer game
The Zionists have been masters at playing the divide and conquer game

In order to survive, they would have to unite and form a large Arab bloc. Many would think that this was a good thing. But it is very difficult to accomplish. One party is communist, another Islamist, another secular-nationalist.

Also, competing extended families play an important role in Arab electoral politics. The Arab lists may disappear altogether. Or two may unite, eliminating the third.

Some Israeli leftists fantasize about a dream party – a united parliamentary bloc that would include all the Arab parties with the Labor party and Meretz, turning it into a formidable challenger of the right wing.

But that would be too good to be true – no chance at all of this happening in the near future.

IT SEEMS that Kerry and his Zionist advisors already identify with the Israeli demand for recognition as a Jewish State or, worse, the State of the Jewish People (who were not even consulted). The Palestinian side is unable to accept this.

If the negotiations come to naught on this point, Netanyahu will have achieved his real aim: to abort the negotiations in a way that will enable him to blame the Palestinians. As long as we have a Jewish State – who needs peace?

Editing:  Jim W. Dean




    It doesn’t matter how you look at it, the Palestinians were conquered and subjugated. The Jews took the fertile coastal part of the land and now expect the Palestinians to accept the situation.

    • Hi John, Israel expects the Palestinians to accept the dismembered remains of their own country. I don’t think they ever will.

      The problem for the rest of us is that Israel is bent on regional domination, and that could lead to WW3.

  2. “Breakthrough: Transforming Fear Into Compassion – A New Perspective on the Israel-Palestine Conflict”
    “…Though not a religious Jew, Forer had been a loyal defender of Israeli policy all his life and zealously supported Israel s 2006 invasion of Lebanon. In response to what he perceived as growing global anti-Semitism, he became a member of AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Angry that two of his most trusted friends resisted his views, and surprised that a long-time Jewish friend would suggest that his opinions were not as factually based as he assumed, Forer began an intensive study of the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict, determined to discover the facts for himself. With an uncompromising commitment to the truth, he went far beyond his original intention, even challenging his very identity. Reaching into the depths of himself, in a remarkable moment he underwent a spontaneous spiritual transformation in which he awoke to his true identity, beyond the limits of the ego and its enforced loyalties. Feeling how his attachment to Israel had blinded him to the human dimension of the conflict and had led him to reject the other in a heartless way, Forer realized that the true root of conflict is one s presumed identity and the beliefs and images that emanate from and reinforce that identity, and that these presumptions are false and unnecessary. He discovered that in Truth we are all Muslim and Jewish, Palestinian and Israeli…”

    • Amen to that. I believe my Irish ancestors came from the eastern Mediterranean too, a long, long time ago. There were many stops on the journeys, and they would journey to and fro, as we do today – relatively speaking. I have Irish ancestral coats of arms that feature a palm tree and a half leopard with a crown – neither of which inhabit Ireland.
      And just because my ancestors performed human sacrifice, and offered up their children for sacrifice and fought endless battles with fearless brutality etc.,etc, it doesn’t mean we have to do it today!

  3. There will be no peace in the ME without winning over majority of the Jewish population, at least those with potential to resist continuous brain-washing by the totalitarian zionist entity. Blaming all Jews indiscriminately is unjust and alienates those who have not yet lost their souls. Collective responsibility is always counterproductive and plays right into the hands of the global ruling class facilitating their “divide et impera” strategy. Let’s use that strategy against them by spreading the truth and making innocent Jews aware of their role as “useful idiots” and disposable tools of the satanic elites who never had second thoughts about killing other Jews in “false flag” operations with obvious goals. “Good Jews” must understand that they hearts and minds are poisoned with the same venom that is turning Arabs and Muslims into Elders’ slaves – fanaticism, radicalism, chauvinism. Both wahhabi and zionist projects have the same controllers, their fanatic believers are each others reflection in the mirror.
    Unaware masses in the ME must also understand that “All wars are bankers wars”.
    Stable, sovereign, secular, safe, multicultural, multi-faith Syria is the key – as agreed by Obama and Putin in June 2012 (VoltaireNet: “Obama et Poutine vont-ils se partager le Proche-Orient ?”, “Obama II – the purge and the pact”)

  4. The stumbling block to peace that no one wants to talk about is, there are six million, six hundred and fifty thousand illegal, non-Semitic, no historical roots in the land, not descended from people of this land, radical Judaic cult member, aliens brutally murdering the Palestinians and stealing their land, There can be no peace until every last one of them are driven from the land and it is returned to the oppressed Palestinian peoples. These illegal aliens are not going to leave willingly or peacefully. So any talk of peace with out a plan to remove these religious cult members is just helping the jews to continue to murder the Palestinians and steal their land. Any talk of letting ANY of them keep ANY of the land is in effect rewarding criminal behavior.

    • I am amazed that your comment has not received one reply.

      The international community is COMPLICIT.

      mw we see and hear the UN (in this instance, an extremely well groomed/beautifully dressed African woman) begging for 6 billion dollars in donations to help Syrians in their humanitarian nightmare.

      God save us all, but especially the innocents of the Middle East from the eternal predators.

    • I am amazed that your comment has not received one reply.

      The international community is COMPLICIT.

      mw we see and hear the UN (in this instance, personified by an extremely well groomed/beautifully dressed African woman) begging for 6 billion dollars in donations to help Syrians in their humanitarian nightmare.

      God save us all, but especially the innocents of the Middle East from the eternal predators.

  5. FLAME will keep reeling out the narrative to the US, Iran, Hezbollah, hamas, the entire United Nations all fight the peace that only Israel is willing to make concessions to achieve. And Democrats, liberal, and “Im not a Republican Im a conservative,” Americans will lap it up like a dog.

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