Wrong Aircraft Identified As Malaysia Flt MH-17 Fuels Doubts

MH-17 Missile Attack QuestionsA previous post exposed the issue of foreknowledge when videos dealing with the aftermath of the alleged missile attack, were revealed to be produced prior to the crash of Flt MH-17.

On July 20th, the Corbett Report published a useful summary that discloses many irregularities in corporate media coverage and international governmental propaganda sources.

Now we look at more media propaganda published as perception management to global audiences.

EXHIBIT A: The aircraft allegedly shot down over Shaktarsk is a Boeing 777-200, (Tail number, 9M-MRD) – the identical model aircraft that remains missing in the mysterious disappearance on Flt. MH-370 with tail number, 9M-MRO).

Recent, “near conclusive” evidence reports that MH-370 (9M-MRO) was actually hijacked raising the possibility that aircraft parts from 9M-MRO could have been salvaged, altered, re-painted and used to create the crash scene for MH-17 (9M-MRD).

Curious initial reports claim the smell of decaying corpses was evident by witnesses on initial encounter with the crash site. On July 18,  ABC News reported:

“A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.”

Speculation is developing that 9M-MRO alias MH-370 may have been substituted for Flight MH-17 to create a False Flag event.  In the evidence shown below, Flight Radar-24 reports that MH-17 was reported “canceled” by Malaysia Airlines. If the flight was canceled, the circumstances allow for the substitute of a “bogey” aircraft on a mission. This could explain the false photo story by a passenger at Amsterdam terminal as an attempt at “deception management”.

With the development of fly-by-wire and drone technology, it’s possible that passengers aboard MH-370 were already deceased when the missile struck the aircraft. It will be interesting to see how the allegedly deceased pilots and crew will be memorialized by the media.

Malaysia MH-17 and MH-370 as 9M-MRD- 9M-MRO-B


EXHIBIT B: Mail Online reported the allegedly doomed Flight MH-17 carrying the tail number 9M-MRD was  photographed by a passenger, Cor Pan,  prior to boarding.   Coser inspection of the nose gear (See also EXHIBIT A) reveals the aircraft carries the tail number 9M-MRC. This finding makes it impossible that the “doomed flight” photo was taken on the day of departure. Records available in EXHIBIT G show the previous departure of 9M-MRC from Amsterdam as Flt MH-17 occurred on 7/11/2014.

MH17 Wrong Aircraft at Gate 9M-MRC-b


EXHIBIT C: Photos of the crash scene reveal key sections of aircraft wreckage that appear like landscape at “stone henge”. Of interest is the section of aircraft containing the tail number or “N” number that serves as a registration number to identify a particular aircraft in the Malaysia Airlines fleet.

The Tail Number for the allegedly doomed flight is 9M-MRD. The tail section apparently fell from the sky in a vertical position as a convenient opportunity for photographers to easily show the world this plane is not to be confused with tail number 9M-MRO from the missing flight MH-370 – the Malaysia airliner that is now revealed to have been hijacked.

MH-17 Crash Scene Tail Number-both photos


EXHIBIT D: Prominent photo of tail section with Malaysia Airlines logo (livery) provides observers with hollow assurance that the aircraft was positively identified as 9M-MRD.

With the example of this “agent” walking all over the crash scene evidence, the media has already promoted the idea that the NTSB or designated crash scene investigators will not likely be able to carry out a competent investigation. After all, what would a thorough forensic analysis of the crash scene be obligated to report if it were allowed to take place?


Armed pro-Russian separatist stands on part of the wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane after it crashed near the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region


EXHIBT E: Alleged crash scene baggage seems too clean to be true. How likely is it that not one ripped, burnt, charred, shredded or blood-stained item can be detected in this photo?

MH-17 Baggage on ground


EXHIBIT F: Flight Radar-24 screen capture on the day following the crash (7/18) shows MH-17, (9M-MRD) as “canceled” on the date of the crash (7/17). Why is it reported that the “doomed” flight was “canceled” before it was struck by a missile?

As horrific as the crash was reported to be, why did Malaysia Airlines boldly resume normal scheduling for the following day (7/18) and before the risk of a repeated missile attack could be determined.? The screen-shot was captured after takeoff and while the aircraft (9M-MRL) was still in the air and presumably “safely” en route. When did Malaysia Airlines determine “business as usual” was more important than air safety?

Flight Radar - MH-17 Cancelled on 7-17-2014-a


EXHIBIT G: The record shows that from June 12 through July 17, thirteen (13) different B-777-200 aircraft were assigned to fly the MH-17 flight schedule for a total of 36 trips from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

Of special interest is the last flight for 9M-MRD on this route, prior to the alleged crash, occurred on June 18, 2014 – an unusually long interval of one  month .  During this time only 3 other aircraft flew the route only one time:

(1) 9M-MRM on 6/16, (2) 9M-MRF on 7/5 and (3) 9M-MRC on 7/11.

Two of the aircraft flew the route within 12 and 6 days, respectively with the probability both aircraft could fly the route again before approaching or exceeding a 30 day hiatus. This distinguishes 9M-MRD and 9M-MRM as the only two – out of 13 aircraft – to exceed a 3 week hiatus between scheduled service as Flight MH-17.

MH-17 Schedule Complete


There is much more to discover about this story that gangster media will never report. If you are paying for cable TV you are most likely financing the largest source of disinformation on earth.


MH370: New Evidence Shows Additional Israeli Connections
MH370: Evidence of a False Flag.

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58 Responses to "Wrong Aircraft Identified As Malaysia Flt MH-17 Fuels Doubts"

  1. caribbeancritic  July 28, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Here we go again happy as can be ,all good spooks and jolly good company!

  2. adil  July 22, 2014 at 7:44 am

    finally conclusion to fl 370. most convincing article ever. and rolan nobody is interested in your fart. keep it to your bed

  3. rolan  July 21, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    “Hundreds of flights routinely crossed over Ukraine before MH17 incident”

    http //timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Malaysia-Airlines-picks-Syria-route-now/articleshow/38827586.cms

  4. Bradley James  July 21, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Stolen flight 370 used in false flag .
    The Zionists war mongers control all MSM . Add a little paint work , tweak this and that and presto MH-17. The passengers of flight 370 were suffocated and put on ice then later used in this MH-17 false flag to incriminate Putin.
    Sloppy as JFK , MLK , RFK, USS liberty , Sandy hoax .
    The best thing we can do is stop paying federal taxes and boycott all Zionist Israeli products. Starve the Beasts.

  5. stephanaugust  July 21, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    More about the impact. Remember TWA800 falling from less than half altitude causing a large debris field?

    Quote —

    — “The evidence was pieced together from a debris field of 75 square miles”

    Compared to this the debris field of MH17 looks like a point landing.

  6. Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    The so-called separatist rebels come in 2 camps. Those backed by Putin and those backed by the West. The media lumps them under one heading in order to pick and choose the best story to promote Israel’s expansionist agenda.

    • domovoy  July 21, 2014 at 9:05 pm

      I want to believe. Which separatists are backed by the West ?

  7. mikeward991  July 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Great work, Harold. Yoichi Shimatsu’s latest post on tense about the flight is ‘explosive’, including analysis from an American investigator with intelligence connections.
    @ William St. George: Mr. Shimatsu covers the Dutch angle extensively. Read it.

  8. rolan  July 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    @Gordon Duff in particular

    “Shrapnel Schaden auf der rechten [linken?] Seite direkt unter MH17 letztes Kab.fenster [cockpit]”
    https //www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=679625032106154&set=a.627577877310870.1073741828.484499628285363&type=1#
    via @HBeyerl (Hinter der Fichte)

  9. mikeward991  July 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Nice work, Mr. Saive.

  10. William St. George  July 21, 2014 at 11:12 am

    After enough of these “tragedies” one gets a sense immediately. Obama is really not all that great a liar despite being a politician. Structurally he did and said the wrong thing if it had been what it was reported as. He obviously had foreknowledge and acted in accordance with that knowledge. As did the media. Everyone leapt on the news. Follow the vibration. Usually these false flags are fairly sloppy as they only hope to fool and move the masses. Are the Dutch really so out of it? We know the Americans are. But the Germans a well?

    • mikeward991  July 21, 2014 at 1:02 pm

      The dutch have long been a captured entity of Zion, having served as the nest from which William of Orange was succled to take England’s throne and instill the Bank of England, from which the parasites could effect ‘real’ rule.
      Germany, too, has been made a token, though possibly suffering less at their hands than Russia. Enquire as to how many people are imprisoned today in Alemaigne for denying the holohoax. That myth is a lynchpin in their creation of the psyop nation, which does not deserve to exist, Israel. Funding by your friendly Feral Reserve, from the creators of Israel, who own your money – legally redeemable in nothing. Really.
      Had enough?

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      Thanks for pointing these deeper, historical connections to the agenda of deceit.

  11. urbanb  July 21, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Possible scenario Fighter jet flying along MH17. Rebells decide to shoot it down.
    Counter measures make the missile ineffective. The fighter jet shoots down MH17.
    All is blamed on rebels who have a conformed missile launch…

    • William St. George  July 21, 2014 at 11:14 am

      More likely the fighter was there in case the inexperienced Ukranian military bungled–and perhaps they did.

  12. urbanb  July 21, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Possible scenario
    Fighter jet flying along MH17. Rebells decide to shoot it down.
    Counter measures make the missile ineffective. The fighter jet shoots down MH17.
    All is blamed on rebels who have a conformed missile launch.

  13. joe chuy-medina  July 21, 2014 at 8:05 am

    per the wrong engine comment the engine nacelle is obviously different, not sure if it is the GE engine or the Rolls. people familiar with those engines will likely clarify that.

    I agree with Oleg the people at the scene made the comments about bloodless bodies, “not fresh,” whatever. soldiers should know the difference, more so than people who were not there.


  14. Simpsons Donkey  July 21, 2014 at 7:51 am

    Well Harold, what a lurid farrago!
    And if the MH17 was full of corpses from MH370 the Dutch will quickly spot it, after donning breathing gear to approach the reeking railcars where the decomped are lying. DNA tests will quickly unmask that cunning plan.

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 10:18 am

      The article simply presents evidence. It doesn’t draw conclusions except to point out the wrong plane was identified in the Amsterdam photo. Speculation remains on almost everything.

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      Not likely that passengers from MH-370 were salted into seats aboard MH-17. More likely the cadavers originated from a more anonymous source – perhaps Gaza or US/Mexico boarder. ( -)

  15. OrdinarySerf  July 21, 2014 at 5:27 am

    Re Why is it reported that the “doomed” flight was “canceled” before it was struck by a missile?

    Harold (or anyone), can you please clarify for me the section of this report relating to the cancellation screen capture (EXHIBIT F) ? If the screen dump comes from the following day (18th July), I am assuming that they have certain standard text for plane status ETA / Cancelled / Landed etc. built into the reporting software and that they don’t have a standard text for ‘Downed’ / ‘Sabotaged’ / ‘Hijacked’ etc. So I don’t quite get the point being made here. Anything to do with MYT and time differences ?

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      Good question. The point is – What “standards” would prefer the use of the term “canceled” rather than the term “missing”. More importantly, what “standards” would permit Malaysia Airways to schedule business as usual flight schedules for the MH-17 for the following day before making sure it was safe to fly? .

      If it can be confirmed that the flight never departed Amsterdam, then we know that “canceled” is the correct term.

      We have recently confirmed the photo of the aircraft 9M-MRC at Amsterdam claiming to be 9M-MRD was incorrectly and widely promoted by corpse media in multiple languages before the “truth” was documented and posted here on VT.

    • OrdinarySerf  July 22, 2014 at 8:13 am

      Thank you for the reply Harold. I would agree that the usual connotation for the term cancelled in flight reporting terms would be that the plane did not take off in the first place eg. airport fog bound / maintenance engineers found a technical fault / staff on strike etc. It would seem insensitive (to say the least) to describe the plane as ‘cancelled’ following the incident.

    • OrdinarySerf  July 22, 2014 at 8:23 am

      As to the airline resuming the MH17 schedule (now renamed it w.e.f 25th July), I don’t personally attach too much significance to that

      Media Statement 5 MH17 Incident
      “In light of the MH17 incident, Malaysia Airlines will be waiving any change fees for passengers who wish to make changes to their itinerary to any MH destinations.
      Passengers who wish to postpone or cancel their travel plans can obtain a refund, including for non refundable tickets.
      Our Enrich passengers will also receive fee waivers for any changes to their travel itinerary, as well as refunds of miles should they choose to cancel their redemption tickets.
      These waivers are only applicable from 18 July 2014 until 24 July 2014, for travel between 18 July 2014 until 31 Dec 2014.
      Passengers who wish to make changes to their travel plans may contact the nearest Malaysia Airlines ticketing office, or call our Call Center at 1-300-88-3000 (in Malaysia) or +603 7843 3000 (outside Malaysia).
      Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets the loss of MH17, and is very much appreciative of the support from our passengers.

    • OrdinarySerf  July 22, 2014 at 8:27 am

      I would think that this is about maintaining confidence in the airline industry as a whole. There would be contractual obligations to passengers and a press release from them (19th July) stated

      ‘…..According to the Wall Street Journal, the officials stated that some 400 commercial flights, including 150 international flights crossed eastern Ukraine daily before the crash. Officials from Eurocontrol also stated that in the two days before the incident, 75 different airlines flew the same route as MH17’.

      Malaysia Airlines itself is a member of the oneworld partnership, along with around 15 other major carriers. From the oneworld website

      “All oneworld member airlines have confirmed that their flight paths in the region have been routed away from the Eastern Ukraine zone where MH17 was lost yesterday”.

      As I say, confidence in flying is paramount to the whole industry.

    • Harold Saive  July 23, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      Too many of us agree it is very telling that Malaysia Airlines resumed normal biz as usual flights before known hazards of another aircraft being shot down could have possibly been evaluated. Issues of redeeming tickets and contracts are a distraction to life and death considerations.

    • Harold Saive  July 23, 2014 at 10:03 pm

      Several sources – some who wish to remain private in the EU – have confirmed to me that FlightRadar-24 has been changing data as participation in the coverup of both MH-17 and MH-370 events. All systems are losing credibility. Humpty-Dumpty is losing his balance.

    • OrdinarySerf  July 24, 2014 at 3:13 am

      Broadly supportive Harold, if you look at Mr Shrimpton’s latest article, in the last few days I have asked him to clarify his position on MH370. However, not quite in your corner on the grounding of planes. This airline (and indeed all other carriers) didn’t resume normal business on that particular flight path. Rather, they confirmed that they were re-routing planes away from the danger area.

      There is a statistical risk in flying for any passenger at any given time on any particular airline, (for any route) and a comparable risk for any other transportation method.

      Odds of being killed on a single airline flight
      78 major world airlines = 1 in 4.7 million
      Top 39 airlines with the best accident rates = 1 in 19.8 million
      Bottom 39 with the worst accident rates = 1 in 2.0 million
      *Source OAG Aviation & PlaneCrashInfo.com accident database, 20 years data (1993 – 2012)

      It must be for the individual to assess that risk for himself and he is free (and in this case, fully supported by the airline) to change his travel arrangements. The danger to the industry worldwide is mass panic setting in, which is why all airlines are trying to reassure the public (as confirmed with various press statements above).

      This terrorist attack was planned months in advance. I would think, statistically, the odds of two MH17 scheduled flights coming down within days of each other are virtually zero. Has this scenario happened at any time for any scheduled flight? It is an interesting debate.

  16. joe chuy-medina  July 21, 2014 at 4:55 am

    very professional post, Harold! the inputs/evidence are rational, rather than jerked out of thin air, as McCain would do, and many bloggers.

    I noticed on some of the first photos that surfaced, AP and Reuters were listed in the btm lft corner. several of us questioned the too-perfect photos, also the perfect passports, retrieved from were? when bodies were stripped of clothing, in some cases. not sure what that suggests. like the photo/video of the falling plane that caused some mild uproar, it is just one walnut kernel in the “black walnut surprise” pie my mom used to make.

    if the plane came down in non-burning sections, that could explain the clothing, etc. as for the decaying bodies, I guess the men who are on that battlefield know if it is chicken fat or not.


  17. stephanaugust  July 21, 2014 at 2:19 am

    Harold, see also the picture of the magic aluminium seat showing no deformation after falling from the sky. Wouldn’t such an impact also rip off the feet?

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 4:43 pm

      Thanks,……. there is so much to point out I feel sticking to the glaring problems holds the attention span of a largely fluoridated audience.

  18. rolan  July 21, 2014 at 2:19 am

    Largely nonsense in general already, for a start; but

    > smell of decaying corpses was evident by witnesses

    DECAYING?! Please. Who has smelled decaying bodies already? I
    do–you will then be busy trying to repress retching in series
    the following half an hour or so, be assured. Once the smell has
    entered the nose, it will attack you down till the throat and
    stay stuck.

    And in my case, the bodies did not even look as they were
    decaying particularly, they had been just unearthed after having
    remained buried for a couple of days under a landslide of the
    ground; the temperature was hot and the humidity high, on the
    other hand.

    MH17 crash site. There was a chicken factory nearby;
    burning/burned materials of different kind were around… Just
    (fresh) blood alone already or (freshly) dissected bodies smell
    bad; etc.

    Which witnesses said that, and when (at which time); which is the
    chain of the info? Bottom line, since the corpses were dead–yes
    they were decaying of course. But, hint–“pass the potato,” never
    played at that game?!

    • rolan  July 21, 2014 at 2:26 am

      http //cryptome.org/2014-info/mh17/mh17.htm

      Look for the (huge) “chicken barns”…

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 5:31 pm

      So, Rolan…you’re attacking me in order to put all your money on “chicken barns”? Ha!

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 5:45 pm

      Rolan….I respect your right to “hope” that a cadaver should smell like chicken-shit.

    • popelang  July 27, 2014 at 6:00 am

      Why these pictures are there?( http //snag.gy/D5DXU.jpg http //snag.gy/OZkoS.jpg )
      It not a Malaysian Boeing777. These are the Il-76 shot down in June, in Lugansk.

    • ptwang  July 21, 2014 at 3:36 am

      Why are you commenting before even looking into it?

      A TOP pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

      The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

      Do you really think he would make something like that up as a way to divert suspicion? No it’s too out there but it does make sense of the new passports and well – almost everyone assumed the missing MH370 would be used for a false flag and here we are, another MA 777 with just 1 identifying number difference.

      I’ve seen some graphic video of the bodies and some do look days old – medical professionals have said the same on watching it.

    • geraldo91  July 21, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      There’s a picture of body lying in the road with not a drop of blood anywhere in sight.

    • Oleg  July 21, 2014 at 7:23 am

      The eyewitnesses stated there were corps without blood being spilled upon an impact. It means they were already dead before crash.
      To question eyewitnesses it is great stunt – why do not question everybody starting with President Obama, well known for his honesty, President Bush with hos nuclear mushroom, UN EU etc.
      There are people fighting for their freedom against much much greater forces not just including Ukraine but the whole Western civilized world and they do not have time and mean to play these diplomatic/political masturbation games. They are doing exactly what American revolutionaries were doing and we (Great Western Civilization) behaving immeasurably worth than Brits were…
      This whole story is clear provocation intended to prevent Russia involvement against fascism.

    • rolan  July 21, 2014 at 9:44 am

      Not to be pedant but–“they were already dead before crash?,” for
      sure!, strictly speaking; or unconscious at the minimum for a
      minority. (10,000 m; de-pressurization; strapped away from the
      seats unfastened; shock/hearth [already jumped with a parachute
      or stalled with an airplane?, then you know how it feels];
      explosion; heat/pressure wave; fragments; injuries; etc. …I
      just have been a sapper in the army, in a unit specialized in
      assembling aluminum bridges.)
      It demands simple high-school physics to estimate how much it
      takes to touch ground from 10,000 m.

      And again, “eyewitnesses,” do you have any experience in talking
      with eyewitnesses (I do), do you know the world of the
      journalists (I do)?

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 10:38 am

      The idea that the aircraft was salted with corpses was not proposed by me. I placed it in the article as information about what others are saying.

      As I interpret it – If a hijacked plane was used, it would necessarily need bodies aboard the aircraft to be discovered on the ground. If the bodies came from a morgue, there would be no sacrifice of innocent life if the operation were to be revealed.

      Corpse media tells us that NTSB or crash scene investigators are not allowed at the site. You need to ask why. Reports are coming in that the corpses are being stacked in refrigerated storage. You need to ask why the issue of bodies of deceased passengers is being played this way. You should know by now that corpse media is scripted to deliver propaganda rather than factual news.

      Sandy Hook comes to mind. Where are the death certificates?

    • CoJonesGrandes  July 21, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      It’s the modus operandi of the freemasons/Illuminati to use corpses. They did the same on 9/11, according to Khalezov
      web.archive.org/web/20110427124505/http //www.911thology.com/forum/index.php/topic,16.30.html

      I actually think that these who were ‘jumping’ were dead bodies from morgue, because this is the very Freemasonic modus operandi. I read quite a few testimonies of eye-witnesses who were saying this
      1) To some of eye witnesses, especially those who were observing upper floors of the Twins via good optical devices (such as tele-lens of photo- and video-cameras) that those who were falling (or ‘jumping’) down seemed to be pushed out by some men from inside; (apparently those poor guys who observed this phenomenon thought it was some type of murder; they could scarcely imagine that this is just a standard method of the Freemasons working with corpses from morgue);


    • CoJonesGrandes  July 21, 2014 at 5:42 pm

      continued from above

      Quote from Khalezov

      2) The pattern some bodies were flying in the mid-air before hitting the sidewalks did not match the possible pattern (and behavior) of live beings. It matched the ‘behavior’ of stiff corps from the morgue.

      3) A nurse was giving an interview after 9/11 saying that she was responsible for collecting and arranging those ‘jumpers’ collected from the sidewalks. She was surprised that neither of them (not even a single one) had any of such things as a wristwatch; a wallet; a document of any type; a credit card; a photo; a single piece of jewelry of any type. Due to this fact not even one of the ‘jumpers’ was identified. Does it sound believable to you that a person would remove all his or her usual belongings from his or her pockets (along with removing necklaces, rings and ear-rings) before jumping to his or her death? I think this is a real hard proof that all ‘jumpers’ were from the morgue. You have to know the Freemasons and their modus operandi a little bit. They always do like this.

    • CoJonesGrandes  July 21, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      I wonder if the corpses had any identifying jewellry or watches? If none is found, then it’s another example of the Illuminati using bodies from the morgue to dramatise their atrocities.

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 10:46 am

      If the plane was not actually the intended aircraft bearing the tail number, 9M-MRD then the bodies found in the seats would likely need to originate from somewhere else. The issue of “hijacking” forces a likely explanation that could fit. Sounds crazy…but so was 9/11.

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 10:24 am

      You are correct. Reporting hearsay is only for speculation to alert someone with hard evidence to come forward.

      But a photo of a plane incorrectly reported by corpse media as 9M-MRD when it was obviously 9M-MRC should be considered significant evidence.

  19. Eurus  July 20, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    Israel has a hand in this. So we will look away from what she is doing.

  20. srjonesad  July 20, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    The main question as i see it is…why? For what reason was this done? Why the memo “breaking news” that screams of cover story? Putin and Obama speaking on phone when it happened? The how seems much less relevant than Why!

    • rolan  July 21, 2014 at 6:06 am

      You are putting the cart before the horse (or you are approaching
      straw man style); ZERO practically/compulsively can be issued
      without tangible facts–and this is about what it matters; with
      just hot air one can impress the barber at the barber shop,

      But I am taking the bait; any other aircraft using the very
      similar route–Singapore Airlines, e.g., which has promptly
      changed it after the MH17 crash–could have been hit instead …
      in theory.

      Now, agreeing with Jim W. Dean that both Russia and the US
      perfectly know what it has happened; and that there is a sort of
      a stalemate between the two; assuming that MH370 has been a
      failed- (for some reason… I am tempted to think US internally
      stopped; who knows, Gen Dimpsey perhaps, who seems to be the more
      reasonable around) operation that has been aborted and killed;
      MH17 could additionally signal at a higher level that, like with
      the zombies who keep moving, we are still there and doing well;
      count on us!, who are in charge already or will be so soon.
      (White putsch in the US slowly ongoing?)

      The main *rationale* of MH17 (which could have been communicated
      by shooting down any other civil aircraft as well) being–see
      Webster G. Tarpley–very likely an “US-UK answer to the launch of
      the BRICS bank at the Forteleza summit and the biggest challenge
      to IMF and WorldBank since 1944.”

    • Oleg  July 21, 2014 at 7:27 am

      “The main *rationale* of MH17 (which could have been communicated
      by shooting down any other civil aircraft as well) being–see
      Webster G. Tarpley–very likely an “US-UK answer to the launch of
      the BRICS bank at the Forteleza summit and the biggest challenge
      to IMF and WorldBank since 1944.”
      Here you are as right as right could be – Russia dared to think of dumping our beloved dollar. It was the death sentence to Iraq, Libya, Syria and now to Russia. Simple like that. And our beloved leaders will not shy from starting WW III – they never did in the past.

    • rolan  July 21, 2014 at 9:51 am

      > will not shy from starting WW III

      Disagree in the case of a war against Russia, unless the same
      *leaders* will group in their own army. No professional (real)
      soldier with a brain would dare to do that.

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 10:40 am

      I agree…….Everything in motion now has to do with the “US-UK answer to the launch of the BRICS bank at the Forteleza summit and the biggest challenge to IMF and WorldBank since 1944.”

    • rolan  July 21, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      Credit goes to Webster G. Tarpley (et al.)

    • Harold Saive  July 21, 2014 at 10:25 am

      I agree. The more info we have the closer we get to the “why”.

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