Ukrainian Su-25 fighter approached MH17

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Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash

… from  Russia Today,  Moscow

–  First published  …  July 21,  2014  –

 

[ Editors Note:  The Russian Defense Ministry must read VT. They have complied with our request to release their photos of the Buk battery that has been in the news. The photos below do not show the detail capable of their satellites, just enough for the vehicles to be seen, but the uniforms of the personell can be also, at full resolution.

You can bet your booties that if there is a missile plume the Russians have it, as does the US. But we have not a single cel phone image of the missile plume from the ground, in an area were everybody is primed to shoot or video everything of a live war event.

From launch to strike time would have only been about 15 seconds, quick enough to get a photo for sure. I have seen no one in the media seem curious as to why no civilian snapshots have appeared. Go figure… Jim W. Dean ]

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The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated. “The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

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The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated. At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

‘Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area’

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official. Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk below.

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While the third picture below shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.

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“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk,” the Kartapolov said.

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Buk missile defense units  (5) in Zaroschinskoe below, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014. Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

BUK battery moved south

BUK battery moved south

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated. Images taken on July 18 below show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.

Kartapolov also pointed to the fact that on the day of the plane crash Ukraine’s military increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system.

..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.”

In response to Moscow’s evidence, Kiev said on Monday it had proof the missile that brought down a Malaysian airliner last week came from Russia.

There is evidence that the missile which struck the plane was fired by terrorists, who received arms and specialists from the Russian Federation,” spokesman for Ukraine’s Security Council Andrey Lysenko told a news conference. “To disown this tragedy, [Russia] are drawing a lot of pictures and maps. We will explore any photos and other plans produced by the Russian side.”

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Monday that Kiev has “strong evidence” of the causes of the MH17 crash.

We know exactly the place [the surface-to-air missile was] launched, we know exactly the place where it hit the civilian plane and the place where the plane crashed.

Kiev is ready to hand the information to the international investigation commission, according to the presidential press-service.

Editing:  Jim W. Dean

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38 Responses to "Ukrainian Su-25 fighter approached MH17"

  1. maryhysmith  July 24, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    If anyone has knowledge of radars and missiles and can explain, I would so appreciate it.

    The Russian Minister of Defense provided us information from their data. One piece pertained to increase radar activity by the Ukrainian military. As I understood it, that was by count of active radars that the Russians monitor.

    As I understand, those missiles are radar self guided. That means they have transponders sending signals to a receiver who talks back to it. If I am right, those receivers have very large satellite dishes. As in very large hardware in the possession and operation of a military.

    If I am correct, that buk launcher had to have radar/satellite support coming from either the Russian or the Ukrainian military. Now we should have at least the same monitoring /spy equipment and info that Russia has. Our intelligence agency said yesterday that they have no evidence linking Russia. So if Russia was not providing the radar support to that missile, the Ukrainian military had to be doing it.

    Any help?

  2. Simpleton  July 24, 2014 at 9:18 am

    The Russians know but are patiently waiting for the devils to dig a deeper hole for themselves. Fake audio,fake video, fake ATC info, etc. This has happened on their doorstep in a war zone, they have HD pictures and are waiting for the devils to spin even more lies eg yats saying two planes were shot down, one by an air to air missile – from where, by whom? Both poro and yats have standby planes to israel, and komo is already there.

  3. John Kirby  July 24, 2014 at 1:50 am

    WAS THE FIGHTER USING THE 777 AS A SHIELD? That would explain it being so close to an airliner.

    What tragedy. 80 children.

  4. joe chuy-medina  July 23, 2014 at 11:57 am

    @ Irene Caesar
    some reasonable points. Facebook at the same time? but, can anyone parachute from a 777, at 500 mph, out the door? how can you open it against the pressure?

    IF there were rotting bodies aboard, the pilots would be breathing the same air as in the cargo,
    as would passengers. t’aint likely there were live humans aboard. What’cha think?

    joe

  5. Rexx Shelton  July 22, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    This is the link to the last post I wrote upon this subject

    http //carolinacowboy.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/i-we-do-not-know-how-flight-mh17-was-shot-down-how-can-we-know-who-did-it/

  6. TruthArchaeologist  July 22, 2014 at 8:34 am

    We have a potential perpetrator saying the bodies at the crash sight smelled like decomposing bodies? So now we are to ASSume a huge conspiracy based on this? Really? It’s amazing how many airline crash experts we have making such strong comments from their armchairs…The only fact is…If you want to find something bad enough, you will. However, emotion and assumptions only lead to bad data. How many people can say they gave been in the middle of burning plastic, aluminum, fuel, and all matter of human flesh caused by a downed 777? We must be careful if we really want the truth. It’s extremely allusive these days.

  7. Skywalker  July 22, 2014 at 12:25 am

    Hello Gordon, Jim and all VT
    could you please also investigate on a trail of shale gas? I think your brilliant analysis skills would lead you to unprecedented discovery of who and why. 

    All the best, sw

  8. Barry Warmkessel  July 21, 2014 at 11:54 pm

    For what its worth, this is what I think the plan was. Kiev positioned a BUK unit near rebel held area and the plan was to shoot down the airliner so it would fall in Ukrainian controlled space. The 16 man crew of the unit balked at shooting down an airliner because they either could see it visually or had some other kind of tip off that it was an airliner. The western media was scripted for this scenario.

    When it did not come off as planned, the back up plan was to shoot it down with an air to air missile. This is what happened but the airliner was too close to rebel controlled territory and fell into rebel hands.

    Now, Malaysia has the black boxes, the dead bodies are in refrigerated box cars headed for Dutch authorities. This is kind of a bad outcome for Kiev, who have been caught putting the story out that the other side did it by a savy internet guy, DAHBOO77.

    Putin may have already have had the plan because the Ukrainian army is none to happy about shooting up their fellow citizens. Perhaps Putin even has more evidence, like conversations, etc., all the stuff that would be really nice to present at the UN.

    Putin and Obama may have even conspired on this little plan, but the political theater is still playing out.

    • Barry Warmkessel  July 21, 2014 at 11:57 pm

      Forgot to mention

      http //investmentwatchblog.com/boom-kiev-caught-plotting-crash-of-malaysia-flight-mh17-before-it-happened/
      BOOM! Kiev Caught Plotting Crash of Malaysia Flight MH17 , Before It Happened!
      Smoking Gun! And that smoking gun was supplied by Kiev Itself!
      The same smoking gun they used to shoot themselves in the foot!
      The fact they came public, pushing the fabricated story, Showed Us All That They Support It! We then Busted their video as a fraud! We discovered it was created almost a full day before the crash. Now we have Experts that have verified the Kiev supplied video as a fraud, and that it Was Made The DAY BEFORE!
      That’s Huge! That Proves they Knew! It proves Kiev Knew Flight MH17 Was going to crash, A DAY BEFORE IT HAPPENED!

  9. Allesandro  July 21, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Why aren’t people talking about the NATO exercises that were going on at the time of the shoot-down? 200 U.S. Army experts in electronic surveillance and warfare were there, along with Aegis and AWACS.

    “The 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.”

    Some small oversight? And this

    ” MH-17 was shot down over a region where Russian-speaking separatist forces have been battling against the alliance of the Ukrainian armed forces and a private mercenary force answerable to a Ukrainian-Jewish billionaire oligarch.

    The U.S. Army has revealed that the 10-day exercise involved «commercial traffic monitoring». Because of the sophistication of the electronic warfare and intelligence used during SEA BREEZE, it can be assumed that commercial traffic monitoring included monitoring the track of MH-17.”

    Wayne Madsen http //www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/21/mh-17-beware-of-the-chameleon.html

    • robert  July 21, 2014 at 9:56 pm

      Good post Allesandro

      Military exercises have been carried out concurrently, at just about every disaster in living history. Leaves a lot of questions.

    • Simpsons Donkey  July 24, 2014 at 8:02 pm

      According to the ‘caveat-emptor’ Sorcha Faal, the electronic warfare pushing its luck in E. Europe was the very reason V. V. Putin rang Obama not a few hours before MH17 went down. Until Gordon mentioned related matters on Stew’s show I’d filed it under “??”

  10. Simpsons Donkey  July 21, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Jim Dean has zoomed right to the crucial question (that is probably why I return here to learn) Where is the missile trail? At 31,000 feet, it would surely have been visible.
    Next question Was it a bomb?
    Next question Who is keeping an eye on Schipol? I’m told a Khazar security firm — or likely a Mossad cover — is active there. Surely the Dutch are smart enough to watch for ingoings and outcomings where a bomb had been smuggled aboard?

  11. Cold Wind  July 21, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    It appears that proof of responsibility for the shoot down of MH17 will be forthcoming. I see no other possibility but that the evidence will show Kiev is responsible. Then what?? What do you at VT imagine will happen next? What’s the next act in the play? Sarajevo, 1914?

    • robert  July 21, 2014 at 10:08 pm

      Cold Wind

      You may have a good insight into how events may unfold from this cynical act. It should not however prevent the majority of the population from seeking the truth by being better informed by remaining skeptical of media used to produce propaganda and hysteria.

      With no better form of Government available currently, It is for the Congress to decide the next step, provided it has a mandate from the people it governs, who should not be led by psyops, to form their views.

      What most subscribers to V.T are seeking is to have the criminal element removed from government, if that is possible.

  12. rolan  July 21, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    @Gordon Duff in particular

    “Shrapnel Schaden auf der rechten [linken?] Seite direkt unter MH17 letztes Kab.fenster [cockpit]”
    https //www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=679625032106154&set=a.627577877310870.1073741828.484499628285363&type=1#

    via @HBeyerl (Hinter der Fichte)

  13. mikeward991  July 21, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Jim, you and every VT reader needs to look at Yoichi Shimatsu’s latest on the flight at rense. Worth your time.

    • Jim W. Dean  July 21, 2014 at 5:12 pm

      Why don’t you give us busy people an synopsis, please?

    • Connie  July 21, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      I read the Shimatsu article- Here is my synopsis. You need to read original article for back-up facts and reasoning.

      According to Yochi Shimatsu MF17 was electronically hijacked off scheduled route in order to head for Tehran where those infamous rotted corpses, having been infected, were meant to cause a bioweapons incident of mega pandemic nature. Probable interception of Israeli security network communication at Schiphol Airport brings to action a USAF jet via American strategic command in Europe in a last-minute alert to incinerate the plane because of its horrific cargo. This is foiled by blast of bomb inside cargo bay triggered by the rocket. Expert US retired intel agent explains why a bomb went off inside. NATO Black Sea fleets fled into safety of Mediterranean after crash. 24+ hour wait before European nations dispatch emergency crews. Smoking gun evidence of biowarfare removed by Strelkov? Mossad compromised Dutch intelligence agencies and the incompetence of MAS, operator of Malaysian Airlines is revealed.

    • Simpsons Donkey  July 21, 2014 at 7:57 pm

      I will pay attention to Shimatsu when he provides sources for his bizarre allegations. Not even the motive makes any sense, and indicates advanced paramoia.
      There’s already enough numerological banter here on VT, without uncorroborated conspiracy theories.

  14. davor  July 21, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    While at school I guess none of us really liked those who would keep on repeating you have to choose between me and him or her to be friends with. They just bore you and make you yawn. The world has chosen to opt for truth and UN security council is not the Truth council otherwise it would be called the truth council cause it doesn’t seek truth rather it seeks justice which in the end doesn’t differ from vengeance. What was the message in the end, please remind me, wasnt it The world is United against Russia? The truth is the US needs the world on this cause Russia is more decent opponent than some desert rats and Afghani flower bearers. Otherwise it would have been “democratized” already. Why does US wage its trade wars over the back of the accidental collateral countries that have nothing to do with it? It is a million dollar question

    • ani  July 21, 2014 at 3:32 pm

      very well said davor.

      Please keep saying it, no matter how people respond.
      Sometimes the penny drops years later, but it does drop.

      And then things start to change.

  15. OrdinarySerf  July 21, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    As I commented yesterday (Jim’s article demanding the satellite data be released), I don’t perceive that Putin will be making too many strategic errors in his response to this. He is drip feeding here, with plenty more up his sleeve.

    Watch out for the fabricated intel responses now and the MSM coming out saying that Putin not only commits these heinous crimes, but has the brazen audacity to lie through his teeth….etc.etc.etc. We know the routine.

    Then Putin will produce another corker and make them all look even more stupid. The Russians will be aware of the danger in overdoing the humiliation though, as Jim said – dangerous times.

  16. Venice  July 21, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    What possible intelligent reason would Russia have to purposely attack and destroy MH-17? Unless the Russian Federation is into some sort of weird fetish that includes shooting itself in the foot theatrics on the global scene, the idea that Russia committed this act is supreme NONSENSE!!
    There is a level of infantile, childishness that is truly astonishing as the perpetrators of this fraud are caught with shrapnel and innocent blood in the empty vacuum where normal people have a soul.

  17. Juher001  July 21, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    The president is an old spy!!

    • wiggins  July 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm

      Which one…?

  18. William St. George  July 21, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Since it is political axiom that the US is always right, Obama can not be wrong. How will they deal with this? Now the Russian have shown some evidence where is the American version? How much can they fake? People on the ground saw the fighter jet or jets.

  19. Brian  July 21, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Over the years I’ve read numerous Robert Parry articles, I don’t agree with him about everything, but excerpt from a Robert Parry article

    Regarding the shoot-down of the Malaysian jetliner on Thursday, I’m told that some CIA analysts cite U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been resisting the regime in Kiev since elected President Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown on Feb. 22.

    According to a source briefed on the tentative findings, the soldiers manning the battery appeared to be wearing Ukrainian uniforms and may have been drinking, since what looked like beer bottles were scattered around the site. But the source added that the information was still incomplete and the analysts did not rule out the possibility of rebel responsibility.

    Brian Perhaps we should urge beer companies such as Chernihivske, Obolon, and Lvivske to put an image of a Buk missile system inside a red circle with a bright red line through it. Sigh.

    • Brian  July 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      By the way if the reports are true MH17 veered off course, I wonder if out “best friends” from the little crappy Middle East country had fun with remote control.

  20. DaveE  July 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Pretty smart of the Russians to not show all their cards at once. They said, “We got more up our sleeve, we’re just going to trap you in a lie and then shoot YOU down.”

    They’re getting smart, those Russkies.

  21. William St. George  July 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Regarding Ukraine’s evidence, it will turn out to be fabricated or lost. The important thing now is to whip up violent emotions and condemn the bad guys to the east. Personally I favor MH17 being taken down by the fighter jet and possibly not even with an air to air missle. The Buk system was placed to authenicate the “rebels” as terrorist aspect. I doubt there was confidence these old and untended devices were reliable presently even if personel were available that could expertly use them.
    In a war zone people check the sky frequently and there have been no reports of any even being seen. Also one of those would have done far more damage to the plane than occured. What a spectacle. A ghost plane filled with corpses destroyed over rebel territory. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy! This greatly exceeds even Sandy Hook.

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