Malaysia Airliner Missile Strike: Was it MH-17 or MH-370?

Note: This article was revised on July 23 when newly discovered archive photos undermined the evidence showing wreckage of hijacked flight MH-370 (9M-MRO) was photographed at the crash scene.

Overlooked in all the intrigue about corpses in missing aircraft has been the US and international troops deployed to the Ukraine under Exercise Rapid Trident – a 12-Nation joint military exercise in the Ukraine coinciding with the alleged crash of MH-17.

How many times have government and military exercises turned into false flag events like 9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon Bombing and now, perhaps the alleged missile attack on MH-17?

RT News

Ukraine will play host, but the US military will call the shots, in an upcoming military exercise called Rapid Trident that will bring together some 1,300 international forces in Ukraine for a long-planned exercise.

Although the United States canceled Atlas Vision 2014, which was scheduled to take place in July in the northeastern Russian city of Chelyabinsk, the Pentagon says it will go ahead with plans for a multinational military exercise this summer in Ukraine.

To his credit, Youtuber, Dahboo77  saw it coming in April, 2014.

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Atlas Vision is a bi-lateral U.S-Russian Ground Forces exercise. The exercise will consist of a battalion-level command post exercise/Computer Assisted exercise and a platoon-level field training exercise.

Interesting how the media will not tell you that Russia knows all about this operation. Even more interesting is Russia had planned to participate in one of these events – Atlas Vision – on their own soil.  Meanwhile, we are left blogging to social media in the dark, while these publicly announced, highly visible, planned exercises have been what we should be looking for,  first.

The starboard section of the fuselage contains important evidence about the configuration of the windows beneath the flag.  Archive photos from 2014 show both aircraft were fitted with the metal “plug” aft of the flag rather than a transparent window. To be clear, this finding, alone does not serve as significant evidence that the aircraft in the photo is actually the hijacked MH-370/9M-MRO but is worth filing for future reference.  Photos of each aircraft showing the metal plug configuration from are available: 9M-MRD  Feb 8, 2014  and 9M-MRO Jan 4, 2014

Malaysia-Airlines-Boeing-777-200 9M-MRD-9M-MRO

According to Julia Ioffe  at the New Republic:

“And that’s when they’re (The Pro-russian Separatists) not simply peddling conspiracy theories, which have become a kind of symbiotic feedback loop between state TV and the most inventive corners of the Internet. The best of the bunch is, of course, an elaborate one: MH17 is actually MH370, that Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared into the Indian Ocean. According to this theory, the plane didn’t disappear at all, “it was taken to an American military base, Diego-Garcia.”

Then it was taken to Holland. On the necessary day and hour, it flew out, bound for Malaysia, but inside were not live people, but corpses. The plane was flown not by real pilots; it was on autopilot. Or take-off (a complicated procedure) was executed by live pilots, who then ejected on parachutes. Then the plane flew automatically. In the necessary spot, it was blown up, without even using a surface-to-air missile. Instead the plane was packed with a bomb, just like the CIA did on 9/11.

The theory also notes that the passports of victims at the crash site all look brand new even though there was an explosion and a fire.”

Julia Ioffe – The New Republic

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In order to pursue the theory that the aircraft was salted with cadavers, it makes little difference which plane was involved. We know that 9M-MRD was out of service for the flight MH-17  for a complete month prior to the crash, allowing possible opportunity for “modifications” in preparation for a staged event using fly-by-wire technology available in the B-777 aircraft.  So far, the evidence for the window plug is verification that either aircraft could have been modified for use. (See EXHIBIT G)

Flight 370 The CIA Hoax: Gordon Duff

Today we are told that the fate of Flight MH-370 is known, not yet identified debris has been spotted in what is called “the Southern Indian Ocean,” perhaps more appropriately described as “north of Antarctica.”

We also know that the 777/200 is a “fly by wire” aircraft with controls in place that allows the CIA to remotely pilot the plane “in case of emergency.”  We were able to verify the design and implementation of this system through Boeing, Raytheon and commercial pilots.”

So Julia Ioffe’s dim-witted story that a pilot with a load of cadavers would need to parachute out of the aircraft is to characterize Russians as backward and stupid.  Quick think Colbert rescued the moment to make it clear the story plot was taken from “Sherlock”, an English speaking, British crime drama.

Coconuts TV Reports:

“Michael Holmes of CNN shared an image on Twitter via his account @holmescnn of a section of what appears to be a Malaysia Airlines jetliner on a grassy field. The Malaysian flag is clearly depicted and the red and blue livery colours used by MAS are also shown.”

The source of the images, a man identifying himself as a tourist guide / traveller / photographer / former soldier from Slovenia, @MatevzNovak, has since posted more photos – taken by a Nadezhda Chernetskaya – of what he claims to be the crash site of Flight MH17 in Grabovo, Ukraine. (TRNS)




Bogus Engine Debris at Alleged MH-17 Crash Site

Crash scene photos clearly reveals engine debris to be from a completely different engine and aircraft type.

Alleged Crash site engine debis not from B-777

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Maylasia MH-17 or MH-370






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58 Responses to "Malaysia Airliner Missile Strike: Was it MH-17 or MH-370?"

  1. joe chuy-medina  July 26, 2014 at 11:31 am

    @ Irene, above

    as I said on another post, I don’t think anyone can parachute from a 777. maybe someone who has done it and can show a short video of it can convince me.

    why does it matter? because it adds another morsel of harmless untruth to the complex equation.


  2. jmreeves  July 25, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    CNN is scraping the barrel on sympathy ploys

    And still peddling the ‘blame Russia’ line.


    • jmreeves  July 25, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      CNN is at least of late worthy as a study in State Propaganda.
      Propaganda in its purest sense just means advocacy.
      It makes a difference what is being advocated by who to whom under what circumstances
      and who paid.
      CNN is wall to wall Zionazi inverts.
      Basically, think the opposite of what they say, you will be close if not dead on.
      Bernais meets Goebbels.
      Lies Lies and I wonder how many threw the remote and need a new TV.
      (flatscreens are delicate, do not touch harshly if at all, let alone open fire.
      I found out by accident that they bruise easily.


    • jmreeves  July 27, 2014 at 2:23 pm

      And I did not mean to be saucy,
      I misspelled his name, it is Bernays.
      and Dalai Lama has an ‘a’ in it.
      Bad Spellar with my apologies.


    • jmreeves  July 26, 2014 at 7:23 pm

      Also please look at the recent Time magazine cover, Putin playing the devil.
      It is not enough to pick on Russia, these guys want to personalize it.
      Meanwhile the Whitehouse Spokesunit was confronted in a recent Press Conference
      re blaming Russia but providing no evidence.
      She gave no satisfaction.
      I saw a photo showing this same person holding up a paper sign to the effect of freeukraine.
      Unless this picture is a fake, we have Whitehouse Spokesunits doubling as political activists.
      About stuff that is very much a current matter of state.
      I get furiouser and furiouser (is that a word?) just typing this.
      They have been burning through Spokesunits pretty rapidly lately too.
      A bunch of not ready for prime time players,
      a whole string of wet behind the ears embarrassments.


    • jmreeves  July 26, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      Oh My Bad.
      The Putin as devil cover is Newsweek.
      The Time magazine cover is about ‘cold war 2’.


  3. Goeran  July 25, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Maybe vtshadow is right after all. His/her link doesn´t work, but I found the YT-video published July 18 by Starboard76, a fan of aviation, on this link https // Here the window is UNPLUGGED. However, there is a problem OK, the plane is 9M-MRD, but when did Starboard shoot the video? Could have been another date.

  4. Goeran  July 25, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    vtshadow claims the window wasn´t plugged when the craft left Amsterdam. However, this pic indicates is was https //
    However you are all concentrating on the wrong object. Take a look at this instead. I don´t know whom to credit the research done. Click to enlarge. http //

  5. jmreeves  July 24, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    This Just In late of RT on FTA sat.
    The Ukraine government is falling back and regrouping,
    finding themselves at odds (and at blows recently).
    I think their coalition is fragmenting or evaporating.
    So all is not well in Kiev, and this will certainly make it more interesting.


  6. jmreeves  July 24, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Well the Dutch spectacle continues.. a parade of limos for dead people.
    The Crowd is Clapping!
    Local customs vary, some hold wakes.
    Very Spectacular.
    Meanwhile back at the press conference.
    And now the Russians might have helped (climbdown from blame Putin, but blaming him.


  7. vtshadow  July 24, 2014 at 12:49 am

    9m-MRD leaving Amsterdam. The window is NOT plugged.

    • Harold Saive  July 24, 2014 at 5:38 am

      RE 9m-MRD leaving Amsterdam. The window is NOT plugged.
      This link shows no video. Can you re-post specific video?

  8. ptwang  July 23, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Man that Julia Ioffe is so typical – combine the very likely scenario of MH370 being taken with ‘killing everyone and draining their blood’. Time to have another look at the original victims of MH370, some of the family members are being used in both incidents after all.

  9. kade  July 23, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    It was definitely staged with MH370 plane and victims, with the calculation that the pro-russian rebels would probably abandon the crash site, and then they can control the site and image that was generated, but got it badly wrong as the rebels stayed ground, secured and control the site, hence we were able to put together the missing pieces
    They also didn’t cover some minor details on the plane itself. Its impossible to execute the perfect crime, minute details will always be missed and thats what happened here. Russia have got all the details they need from the crash site, and released some little hard hitting evidence, hence the 100% U-turn from the state department yesterday saying no Russians were involved in the whole incident of downing the plane. Gradual de-escalation of accusing russia directly now is whats happening, and covering up their tracks as the mainstream media are now attacking the MH17=MH370 same plane and dead victims…If they really want to put the theory to bed, they should identify the victims publicly.

    • kade  July 23, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      showing photos of the victims after identification and DNA testing, but i bet you all, burial would be secret after months and months of identification. Also data from black box recorder would not be made public, but they will continue with the social media evidence! CIA/NSA/FBI control social media to blame russia. All the billions of dollars spent on state of the art surveillance technology, and yet all they can present is comments and posting from social media in such a high stake event like this…It tells you all you need to know about who planned this all along in both MH370 and MH17

    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      you have a lovely way with words..
      “Gradual de-escalation of accusing Russia directly”
      I think I am witnessing a strategic advance to the rear.


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      But they are still at it, now CNN is doing SAM 101.
      Why the preoccupation with one method?
      Why the professed (US press conference type thing) certainty that that is what happened.
      They are not asking pointey questions,
      they are painting a picture, has to be seed to be believed.
      Some years back they might fly this.
      By now it is too much a carnival act I have seen before.
      I suspect I am not the only one.


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      I just tripped over a limited hangout re SAM unit pics of appearing and disappearing.
      Must have hit a nerve I think.
      They put up a fellow who says he saw the Russkies take it away.
      I have no idea what he saw, and did not get detail.
      It looked very timely in an odd way, so I saw something and am saying something.
      Things go on loop, unless this is sanitized you can find it on loop.


    • kade  July 23, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      …and kiev should release ATC transcript with the pilot of “MH17” if it had one? and wasn’t flown via autopilot! Any wondered the reason why the pilot hasn’t been identified or even got a mention, especially about his reason or objection to flying northerly towards a war zone? MH370 pilot got so much media coverage and speculation about his state of mind, motives, last conversation with ATC etc… Not a single mention of “MH17” pilot here… Malaysian nationals should be asking their government alot of questions too. They deserve answers, They need to put pressure on their government who in turn should be putting pressure on the Ukrainians to release flight data recordings…

    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 8:27 pm

      This is all very still in play and by nature sensitive. (and we are observers)
      Several agencies in all likelihood have detail they are not releasing,
      and unfortunately (but predictably) some are playing for advantage.
      Others are hanging back to keep options open, with a hole card or two maybe.
      It is still possible to get more people killed if we are careless.
      Some belongs told, some maybe later.
      The ‘blame Putin’ thing seems unflyable.


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 8:45 pm

      And just like you dejected, I saw a quiet admission that this would take quite a while,
      that the remains remained to be identified, and the procession looked like a State Funeral,
      except they will need to hold another once they sort it out.
      In short I agree and your points stand.


  10. joe chuy-medina  July 23, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Harold, did you overlook the comment by geoff below, as I did? It explains why the MRD window was likely plugged along the way, over ten years or so.


  11. kade  July 23, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    The black boxes have been recovered, so flight information and pilot info could be recovered. Bodies recovered, so DNA testing and victims identification should not take long, and faces should be put to names etc…
    But mark my word, none will be revealed, no victims pics would be released, Dutch authority already saying it would take months to identify victims!, Flight info would not be released, because the truth is already known to us. The propaganda to blame Russia will remain the official line with no evidence to back it up…The bodies recovered are those of MH370, but pics would no be released to identify the MH17 victims if they were indeed real as fed to us by MSM… Dont be suprised if they are given a state burial in Netherlands to hide the truth.

    • jmreeves  July 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      I saw a claim yesterday that an awful lot (200 plus bodies have been ID’d
      If so (actually in either case) this is a marvelous performance under any let alone these circumstances.
      Leaving aside the time the equipment takes (which is shorter with time)
      To do this you need a comparison sample.
      So these guys must have found, verified the identity and relationship of, and obtained a sample
      from 200 erso people, this while waiting for the bodies, which then must be sampled,
      and then the time the machines take is important.
      A marvelous performance?


  12. jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 11:58 am

    This is getting just screwey enough to ‘make sense’
    The Malaysia connection shot right past me until you mentioned.
    Interesting way to dispose of a unwanted stolen airliner if you had one to get rid of.
    Had a bunch of Dutch on too, kind of odd in light of the diversion of that other one.
    (or is it the same one, so far there may have been two.
    Whoever did it is ruthless, likes to kill many birds with one stone,
    and wants it blamed on Putin and to use it to punish Russia.
    Please use your imagination, see if you can think of anyone this would describe.
    Thanks for another good one.
    There are dead people involved regardless of detail, I mean them no disrespect.


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 3:40 pm

      a note in passing
      Part of the current talking points strategy on the MSM
      Has them mixing shootdowns of fighter planes (which were probably shooting too)
      and the airliner thing.
      That is past dishonest, just plain wrong, and perhaps reveals desperation.


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      another note in passing, I remember hearing of jet engines that ‘phone home’
      not much good on ‘landing’ this time, but that might be a source of data.
      Finding all the indications and changing them boggles my mind.
      These craft are loaded with life safety and maint and projective maint
      (more with each generation.
      Only a few know who among that phones home.
      (or could tell whether that had been altered or left stale)
      I do Not Know.


  13. mydogissick  July 23, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Is this whol ething a collaboration, by the satanic paedophile rings, that have been ousted in the UK over the last few weeks especially ?

    It is providing 100% cover for the BBC to stop talking about govt paedos !

    WHY are we in Britain forced to have a day of national mournng, at the expense of any news on govt paedophillia – an di mean the really serious kind – abductions and selling them into sex slavery, and all sorts !

    Its happening all over the west, and certainly in the Ukrainian area of the world, worse than anywhere.

    So why are the news channels ALL (russia included, no doubt) focussing just on this single plane, for days and days, when they only spend 1 day taling about govt MP paedos ?

    Answer – its a smoke screen psy op !

    It doesnt matter who did it, as long as you’re all talking about this and nothing else !

    What about govt run paedo rings, like the ones run by MI5, as mentioned in Spyhunter by Michale Shrimpton (VT volumnist), on page 202 ?

    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 10:21 pm

      There are articles here about the Disposable Kids thing and associated extortion rackets.
      Any distressed place provides a potential source, Eastern Europe is notorious,
      and I count the recent imports from south of Mexico to be in play as well.
      Some of the very lowest, right down to human sacrifice if what I have heard and gathered is true.
      Anyway, I don’t know if this incident will directly expose any, but what if parents are dead?
      Straight to the “loving arms” of CPS?, and who knows after that.
      I share your concern, but have little comfort to offer.


  14. Christina  July 23, 2014 at 8:54 am

    I respect and appreciate that people are very suspicious and investigate matters. I do have hard time to understand how any secret service could pull of a stunt like this. The dead bodies will be identified and would expose the false-flag. There must be relatives of the victims seeing them board the plane and now they are dead. Well I am confused, hope this will clear up with more information in the future.

    • ptwang  July 23, 2014 at 9:18 am

      It seems hard to believe at first but fake victims have been used in the past and when you break it down, there are multiple ways to make it work.. There are typically only a few victims family members that you see on tv, they will act the part, (usually not very well), and the victims need only move to somewhere like Israel which they probably planned anyway. Most of the rest could simply be made up with photos from a range of possible sources.

      I’m not sure it has happened in this case but I’m pretty confident and when you think about it, it’s more likely they will stage these deaths than to actually expect so many to be ok with killing hundreds to push a political agenda.

    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      Sorta like a taser instead of a ‘real gun’,
      ‘Less Than Lethal’ (sometimes).


    • Harold Saive  July 23, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      Not so fast……In the case of Sandy Hook gun-grab hoax, the State feds are covering up the “dead bodies” and refuse to release the death certificates even with FOIA requests. The vast corruption of coverups will likely extend to Amsterdam and anywhere in the planet where propaganda is needed to fool most of the people most of the time who rely on TV and newspapers

    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      With all respect to the dead and their families et al
      What I just saw from Amsterdam is very heavy on the spectacle part.
      A whole string of Hearses and another tomorrow.
      Someone wants as much sadness as can be milked.
      No quiet dignified ‘we will tell you when we know’,
      No it looked like it is made for TV.


  15. joe chuy-medina  July 23, 2014 at 7:53 am

    to Harold’s new info above, I just now found two photos on of MRD with the “painted in” window, or whatever, the plug, one by Jai Balmer, one by Jens Breuer, 2103.

    the first conclusions that Harold made may not be accurate, but were not intended to deceive. errors can happen, when there is so much that is being hidden from us.


    • OrdinarySerf  July 23, 2014 at 9:18 am

      Agreed Joe. Intelligence analysis is always in the ‘present’ and can change as new information comes in. This is a very recent event (unlike say 9/11 or even Sandy Hook, which is now 19 months old and still being examined). So opinion will change as new things come to light and this article reflects that.

    • ptwang  July 23, 2014 at 9:20 am

      You should post links, what about the position of the flag in relation to the windows?

    • ptwang  July 23, 2014 at 9:35 am

      never mind, I see it up top of this article.. the flag position does seem closer to MH370 though.

    • Harold Saive  July 23, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      Thanks…….. Somehow missed it until you and a few others reported it. Turns out it doesn’t matter which aircraft was involved as you will read.

  16. geoff  July 22, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Aircraft MRD was delivered 17 years ago, MRO roughly 12 years ago. If you zoom into the photo of MRO you can clearly see the outline of a window plug at the suspect location. Thus the fuselage structure is identical. Over the course of 17 years MRD would have likely gone through two full overhauls which often entail a revamping of the interior service arrangements depending on evolving airline company marketing strategy. MRO would have gone through a minimum of one full blown overhaul. If an interior monument such as a closet or lavatory were installed adjacent the sidewall at that location (during an interior refurbishment) where there had once been a seat or space behind a seat assembly, it is standard engineering practice to replace inner and outer window panes and shade assembly with a closed out sidewall on the interior and a metallic plug in the fuselage cutout for the window. This entails fewer inspection requirements and access man hours at subsequent maintenance events. Throughout the lifetimes of these two aircraft interior configuration updates are certain as well at least one complete exterior repainting event. This is a top tier operator with high appearance standards. Knowledge of the dates of the photographs as well as the maintenance /modification history of both aircraft is required to draw any conclusions. No weight can be placed in the hypothesis as it stands.

    • Harold Saive  July 23, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      No doubt you are correct. I somehow missed the 2014 photos of both aircraft with the plugs installed. It still could be either aircraft if you think the fuselalge section at the scene was “re-painted” for show.

  17. jglassel.  July 22, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    If this is 370, did it actually fly from Amsterdam to the shoot down area? or did it come from a hidden airfield somewhere, say Diego Garcia? Recent war games have shown planes can be made to disappear from radar screens. No doubt, they can be made to appear when they are not there, too.

    If the purpose is to start a plague, some poor Ukrainians ought to be getting sick, soon.

    Maybe this is what the Russian and American satellite info shows. Seems they are letting Putin off the hook, http //

    I would love to know what he knows!

  18. ptwang  July 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    So we have corpses that weren’t fresh, we have brand new passports with old issue date, one with CGI photo, this MH370 thing, the explosion that originated on the ground and now a sawn up cockpit http //

  19. mikeward991  July 22, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Yoichi Shimatsu contends that the plane was headed over Tehran, at which point an altitude fuse would trigger a bomb loaded in the cargo bay holding the dessicated bodies and tainted blood serum. The drop in altitude to trigger the
    fuse would be caused by Iranian air intercept, the Iranians having been conveniently ‘notified’. Somehow the dogs of zion may have been upstaged.

  20. Juher001  July 22, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Jim Stone has same conclusion from a different angle… worth reading

    http //
    If correct this is beyond criminally stupid !!!! You just can’t make this stuff up !!!

    • jglassel.  July 22, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      *******http //

      video of bodies from comments to above jim stone article article

    • Harold Saive  July 23, 2014 at 2:27 pm

      Too many of the bodies in the photos have a normal skin tone with no mangelations apparent. Could be to offset rumors of putrifying cadavers….

  21. ptwang  July 22, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    I don’t see the problem with this assessment, why did you retract on twitter etc?

  22. joe chuy-medina  July 22, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I have checked some facts. Both are the 200ER plane, both use 2 GE, PW, or RR engine, specific to the 200ER only.
    Apparently there are 13 windows from the door on the 370, 14 on the MH17. The window frame is there, but painted, so you suggest? Or covered? Maybe you can elaborate a bit.


    • Harold Saive  July 22, 2014 at 1:28 pm

      The issue here is the tail number matched against the window configuration. With the information provided in the article there is very little doubt that 9M-MRD was NOT the aircraft represented in the photos. The aircraft matching the window config is 9M-MRO, although – theoretically – there could be others.

    • joe chuy-medina  July 22, 2014 at 2:10 pm

      I agree the piece of fuselage does not match the pics on starboard side for MRD. There are several planes of each window config on that site, so it is not theoretical.
      Curious to know what type the Israeli plane is/was. Also eager to hear the explanations for this apparent red flag.
      Good work, Harold!

      info your exhibit A on your other post shows that the port side windows are 13 on both planes.


  23. joe chuy-medina  July 22, 2014 at 9:34 am

    I have not verified for myself what you have here, Harold. there are three 200 versions, as I am sure you are aware, 200, 200ER, 200LR. If the full model designation of the two planes has been mentioned, I missed it.

    any idea why the one window is painted? the photo that “the barrister” uses has a painted window, but the tail letters are MRJ, I think. it was not intended to be the exact plane pic, I am sure.

    I recently read on another site that the engines did not match the GE, PW, or RR engines used; but the evidence submitted was visual dimensions of a burned engine, as shown several times on VT and elsewhere. hardly conclusive.
    although, you recall that the engine(s) found at WTC were wrong for the 767, also.

    will have to digest this new evidence, of course.


    • Harold Saive  July 22, 2014 at 4:14 pm

      If you stay focused on the real issue you will regard the engine types and all other issues as secondary to the tail number associated with the window config.

      We now how solid evidence that flight MH-17 was NOT hit by a missile. The aircraft at the crash scene was very likely to be the hijacked flight MH-370, 9M-MRO!

    • joe chuy-medina  July 22, 2014 at 4:35 pm

      I do follow. your words in the article were pretty clear. I got myself “wrapped around the axle,” as we say in Ky.
      “MH17-MRD” was not hit by a missile or bomb. so this means that the real MRD is still flying, or could be. most likely, tail letters and I.D. have been changed to a letter not already used. if not, it -MRD- will show up on the flight schedules, right?


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 12:29 pm

      Yeah, here we go again (like the 911 missing passengers dilemma,
      If this was not that then where is it (or them) (or did it ever exist per se.
      How many ‘ghost’ situations and craft were involved.
      Some of you may recall the incident with the (entire?) Polish administration.
      You can be quite sure that either way the folks who do these things won’t tell,
      and they definitely cannot afford to get caught.
      So again the question gets grayfiled as Unknown / TBD (where it may live out its natural life).
      Some Fun You Bet.
      Best to log details but look for texture at large,
      maybe they will come together (converge) to a known answer with time,
      stuff slips out, you never know except if it does.


    • jmreeves  July 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm

      You can bet the ‘bad guys’ have provided us many ‘interesting’ Rabbit Trails (to nowhere).
      They also create others, can’t be helped.
      Some of the folks here are up on detail and good at spotting those.
      What a tangled web (and that is simple lies!
      Complex ones must be high maintenance indeed.
      The more eggs you lay, the more to keep an eye on.


  24. Tony Lutz  July 22, 2014 at 8:55 am


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