MH17 HOAX: Crash Scene Evidence Reveals No Boeing-777 Engine

 It’s now established that US and international troops were deployed to the Ukraine under Exercise Rapid Trident – a 12-Nation joint military exercise in the Ukraine coinciding with the alleged crash of MH-17.

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Rapid Trident supports interoperability among Ukraine, the United States, NATO and Partnership for Peace member nations. The exercise helps prepare participants to operate successfully in a joint, multinational, integrated environment with host-nation support from civil and governmental agencies.

Rapid Trident is a part of U.S. European Command’s Joint Training and Exercise Program, designed to enhance joint combined interoperability with allied and partner nations.

The exercise also supports Ukraine’s Annual National Program to achieve interoperability with NATO and commitments made in the annual NATO-Ukraine work plan.

How many times have government and military exercises turned into false flag events like 9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon Bombing and now – the sensationalized downing of  a Malaysian Airliner, MH-17, as another in a long line of False Flags. VIDEO: DAHBOO7 Opinion about Rapid Trident

Interview Reveals US Army Facilitated actions in Eastern Ukraine.  Did the Army hire Ukraine sub-contractors to haul imported crash debris ror camera fodder?

Rapid Trident II – NATO Military Exercise Taking Place In Ukraine At The Time Of MH17 Shoot Down

Army watching Eastern Europe closely

WASHINGTON (Army News Service, March 27, 2014) — The Army and NATO are watching “very carefully” the troop deployments and the exercises they’re doing in Russia, said Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno.

While any decision to execute comes from the commander in chief, the Army must be prepared for any contingency, Odierno emphasized.
“Our NATO allies are concerned about what they’re seeing here, especially those in Eastern Europe,” he said.
Asked if the Army could move up some of its training exercises with Eastern European leaders, Odierno responded:
The Army has a “robust exercise program” that goes on throughout Europe that could be utilized to do many things.   He added, “I think we’re taking a very hard look at that as we look at the exercises we have planned.” … Only last year (2013) the Army participated in Exercise Rapid Trident in Ukraine. During that exercise, armies from 17 nations participated.

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Energy Press Releases Thursday March 11, 2010 15:23

Rolls-Royce, the global power systems company, has signed a long term TotalCare® service agreement to support engines that power Malaysia Airlines’ fleet of 17 Boeing 777 aircraft.
The agreement, which covers Trent 800 engines, is the first time that Malaysia Airlines operations will be supported by TotalCare®

TRENT-900 trentXWB_tcm92-44126Even while the evidence of hoax are not diminished, it must be updated that the Rolls Royce, TRENT-800  engines were installed on all Malaysia B-777 fleet including MH-17.

The TRENT engine rotates clockwise (CW) as opposed to the counter-clockwise (CCW) rotation of the GE90.  An archive photo of Malaysia 9M-MRD  from June, 2011 clearly shows the CW rotation of the Trent engine as indicated on the unique nose cone spiral.


Malaysia Airlines with TRENT-800 engine takeoff roll in 2011 (9M-MRB)

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Trent-800 engine more economical:

A Trent-powered Boeing 777 weighs up to 3.6 tonnes less than General Electric and Pratt & Whitney-powered versions.

RT News

Ukraine will play host, but the US military will call the shots, in an upcoming military exercise called Rapid Trident that will bring together some 1,300 international forces in Ukraine for a long-planned exercise.

Although the United States canceled Atlas Vision 2014, which was scheduled to take place in July in the northeastern Russian city of Chelyabinsk, the Pentagon says it will go ahead with plans for a multinational military exercise this summer in Ukraine.

Atlas Vision is a bi-lateral U.S-Russian Ground Forces exercise. The exercise will consist of a battalion-level command post exercise/Computer Assisted exercise and a platoon-level field training exercise.

Interesting how the media has erased the fact that Russia knows all about Rapid Trident including MH-17 evidence “irregularities”.

More interesting is that  Russia had planned to participate in one of these US-led events – Atlas Visionon their own soil.  Meanwhile, investigators and bloggers  continue to get blind-sided  by disinfo couched as insider “leaks” from allegedly trusted sources.

No doubt that every player forecasting the “new Cold War” are completely informed about the MH-17 hoax as integrated into a war games exercise.

When will investigators learn to look first, for the planned exercise as the pretext to a hoax/False Flag as was the case in 9/11, Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon Bombing.?

HOAX:  Bogus Engine Debris at Alleged MH-17 Crash Site

The huge, wide-body Boeing-777-200 is powered by one of the most advanced turbofan engines in the world.

Rolls Royce Trent 800 Turbofan engine has diameter of 9.2 feet.

Engine parts and other debris mostly appear to originate from aircraft other than a B-777-200.  More importantly, the impact of a giant B-777 falling from over 30,000 ft. altitude would  be expected to leave a large impact crater, yet the debris  appears to be dumped on the ground as if hauled in by truck.


At first sight the alleged engine debris appears to match the Trent 800 engine profile in the combustion stage aft of the large fan.  But on closer inspection no reasonable observer would expect this  heavy metal section to survive a fall from 30,000 feet without being disintegrated as it creates a large crater in the ground.  Instead, the the section looks more like it was hauled onto the scene and dropped from on the ground from the back of a truck

Trent 800 compared to crash scene photo

Coconuts TV Reports:

“Michael Holmes of CNN shared an image on Twitter via his account @holmescnn of a section of what appears to be a Malaysia Airlines jetliner on a grassy field. The Malaysian flag is clearly depicted and the red and blue livery colours used by MAS are also shown.”

The source of the images, a man identifying himself as a tourist guide / traveller / photographer / former soldier from Slovenia, @MatevzNovak, has since posted more photos – taken by a Nadezhda Chernetskaya – of what he claims to be the crash site of Flight MH17 in Grabovo, Ukraine. (TRNS)

No evidence of Boeing-777 engines at crash site could conclude that neither MH-17 nor MH-370 were struck by a missile!

Horizontal and vertical stabilizer at alleged crash site fail to match Boeing-777 profile specific to 9M-MRD alias flight MH-17

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A widely circulated video alleging shoot-down of MH-17 cannot be supported. Evidence supports catastrophic failure of the starboard engine that was eventually brought under control.  On close inspection, the dark under-side paint job (livery) suggests the aircraft is from the fleet of British Airways (Airbus) and not from the Malaysia airlines fleet of Boeing 777-200 servicing flight MH-17.

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Suspicion that a counterfeit “MRD” section was conspicuously planted at the scene is further confirmed.









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48 Responses to "MH17 HOAX: Crash Scene Evidence Reveals No Boeing-777 Engine"

  1. re1  August 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Nonsense, this is the only engine TRENT800 blind can not see.
    Please see only four images on my blog

  2. Enrico  August 2, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    #Frankly Speaking – your September clues link leaves out the fact which floors were hit on the twin towers.
    That will give you a clue this website is misleading, there were no missiles or balls. Both floors had been renovated by the same company that had done the upgrades on the slice of the pentagon that exploded.
    The perfect hole of a jet made into the building right out to the very tip of the wings? Come on the sheeple are not all that stupid. Government bond trading firms were targeted. Yes this is another multi layered operation courtesy of the same criminally insane tribe.

  3. stephanaugust  August 2, 2014 at 12:33 am

    Why is Wikipedia saying that the crash site is near Tores when there is a Google Maps location, Hrabove, that is nearer?

  4. stephanaugust  July 31, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Harold, I translated your article into German, if you like to add a link for German readers, it is at

  5. Harold Saive  July 29, 2014 at 7:15 am

    NOTE — The Army officially asserted their willingness to assist in East Ukraine

    Rapid Trident II – NATO Military Exercise Taking Place In Ukraine At The Time Of MH17 Shoot Down
    Army watching Eastern Europe closely

    WASHINGTON (Army News Service, March 27, 2014) — The Army and NATO are watching “very carefully” the troop deployments and the exercises they’re doing in Russia, said Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno.

    Asked if the Army could move up some of its training exercises with Eastern European leaders, Odierno responded

    The Army has a “robust exercise program” that goes on throughout Europe that could be utilized to do many things. He added, “I think we’re taking a very hard look at that as we look at the exercises we have planned.”

    Only last year (2013) the Army participated in Exercise Rapid Trident in Ukraine. During that exercise,
    armies from 17 nations participated.

    • stephanaugust  July 31, 2014 at 11:56 pm

      “I think we’re taking a very hard look at that as we look at the exercises we have planned.”

      Imagine such a carpet seller language starting with an inferiority complex like “I think” during a battle and all is lost.

  6. Harold Saive  July 29, 2014 at 7:08 am

    Still no military press release on 2014 Exercise Rapid Trident (can you blame them?)
    The Guardian, Wednesday 19 March 2014

    British military set for exercise in Ukraine
    Personnel will be part of a group of about 1,300 troops who are taking part in Rapid Trident, a previously planned exercise.

    British forces are preparing to travel to Ukraine in July to join allies in a peacekeeping training exercise.

    The troops will be part of a group of about 1,300 troops, mostly American, who are taking part in Rapid Trident, a previously planned exercise.

    Although no military press release is yet available for Rapid Trident, 2014, a Facebook page might be worth following.

  7. domovoy  July 28, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    So far I have not seen compelling evidence the engine(s) in the field are not from a 777-200. Remember the ducted fan (the 10ft dia section the dude is standing in) is the most fragile part of these engines, the part which would have disintegrated almost as soon as any kind of rotational instability started. The much harder and heavier combustion compression turbine chamber, the main body of the jet engine, is also much smaller which you can see from the schematic mock-up diagrams. The “fans” seen in the crash site videos are clearly the compressor turbines and seem to be about the right size for a RR “Trent”. And BTW, the “Trent” had terrible problems, resulting in significant delays in deliveries of the first 200’s. Engineers at Boeing and Airbus were scratching their heads over the decision to go with “Trents” ahead of P&W and GE engines which were much more highly regarded. It was seen as a pretty transparent subsidy of another brit fail by American taxpayers. You can look this up in Aviation Week.

    • Harold Saive  July 28, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      After the GE90 was ruled-out it became apparent that the TRENT parts are a probable match. But the cafeteria style presentation for the camera – as if the pieces were levitated to earth from 33,000 feet – is a glaring admission that the debris was imported to the scene. Why? Because the public needed the convenience of seeing genuine engine parts as opposed to a big hole. Add to that the absence of either of the large turbofans and a 2nd Trent engine including those nearly indestructible deflector spindles on the fan. With this we can speculate that Trent parts from the hijacked MH-370 acted as the “throw-down gun” for the MH-17 smut story. The interval of time between events gave the perps the opportunity to prepare MH-370 parts for the July 17th event to coincide with Exercise Rapid Trident….a 14 Nation war games event that admittedly took place in the Ukraine – a coincidence never covered in corpse media or even Russia Today.

    • Harold Saive  July 28, 2014 at 5:30 pm

      The GE90 was not without it’s own problems when the engines had to return for service due to early corrosion issues.

  8. Harold Saive  July 28, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Russia wants an impartial investigation – Sound familiar?

  9. urbanb  July 28, 2014 at 11:53 am

    hmm, the trent is partly made out of the hardest, strongest and lightest alloys known to man. It survives being shot at by small caliber arms and continues to operate normally. A single blade in the turbine moves 300 hp of power. A fan failure releases more energy than a hand-grenade but [by regulation] leaves the airplane unaffected. Etc etc. It can survive a fall to limit speed followed by crash.
    Bigger crater?… not necessarily.
    (I’m not arguing against the other questions in the article)

    • urbanb  July 28, 2014 at 12:24 pm

      The interesting part is the direct realtime feed from the engines to RR in UK, the know already exactly what happened to the plane…

    • Harold Saive  July 28, 2014 at 12:48 pm

      All agree on the hardness and durability in the Trent 800 alloys. But you lose us when you claim such indestructible material would not cause the earth to yield to leave a large crater in the ground after falling from 33,000 feet. Are you saying that a plunged knife could not penetrate warm butter?

    • gfw  August 1, 2014 at 7:48 am

      Its all a matter of Conservation and transfer of Energy Imagine a 7.5 ton engine plus support hurtling to earth from 33000 ft hitting ground at near terminal velocity, over 600mph. ( For free fall in a vacuum, velocity squared equals 2g times distance, so velocity would be 960 miles an hour !) Either the engine would be shattered on impact with solid ground and be scattered over a wide area, or, as in this case, the engine stays in one piece and tons of loose earth are scattered instead and leave in its place the inevitable crater.

  10. Gi Linda  July 28, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Who would benefit from such a hoax? Only the rabid mad-dog Luciferian Zionists gained an evident immediate advantage. Using media hysteria like the sweep of a magician’s hand to entrance a deluded audience, the Synagogue of Satan struck Gaza with crimes against humanity while those with their brain-pans hotwired to the ministry of mind control were distracted. America fell into that trance again, just like 9/11, Sandy Hook and all the other false flag attacks. The world was primed to respond with shock, programmed to look away and tremble in traumatised fear of the scary Russian bear. Same script, same game, same hideous puppet masters. Problem/Thesis supposed missile attack on innocents; Reaction/Antithesis angry rant against Russia; Solution/Synthesis Gaza genocide unobserved.

    • drbhelthi  July 31, 2014 at 2:18 pm

      Precisely. Distraction and disinformation coordinated by some of the world´s best mercenaries, the israeli MOSSAD. However.
      Many, older, experienced, well informed observers are watching this Hollywood presentation. And, it is not being presented by Putin and company, rather by zionists in the Olde City of London and their quarterbacks in Tel Aviv.
      Some of us understand increasingly why God voided the original covenant with the genuine Israel, which seems to be the point at which the fraudulent “israel” took over. Hebew scholars report that miscegenation began long before then, however.

  11. stephanaugust  July 28, 2014 at 7:18 am

    At aan irfan (“MH17, UKRAINE AND GAZA”) I found the most priceless over the top propaganda piece of this false flag. I found it in a comment. It is a Telegraph story titled “MH17 Young woman in Ukraine allegedly posts picture using mascara looted from crash site”

    The comment at aan irfan explains the hidden Zionist background.

    • ani  July 28, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      stephan I stopped going to Aan irfan when their address changed. The Tap told us Aangirfan was locked out of their old site, and when I went to the new one, commenters there gave me shivery creeps I could not believe myself.

      I left, never to return, because I felt they had been infiltrated by something very nasty. I had been a follower for about three years, where I learned a great deal.

  12. Harold Saive  July 27, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    An explosion of the horizon is no proof of a plane crash.

    • stephanaugust  July 28, 2014 at 7:28 am

      As I understand it, LC provided the two videos as examples to show how full the internet is with homemade (fake) proof. Yesterday it was Photoshop TM, today it is After Effects TM.

  13. Harold Saive  July 27, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    The clip is obvious a different event. If you count 6 seconds from smoke to bang the aircraft could be no higher than 9,000 feet above the ground. MH-17 was reported at over 33,000 feet…. Look clodely at the wings. They are not the shape of a Boeing-777. Anyone who failed to analyze this video was “punked”.

  14. joshada  July 27, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    ATO Update Operational Situation in the East of Ukraine for July, 27 12 00 UTC

    http //

  15. joshada  July 27, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Warning of Impending Terrorist Acts by the Kiev Junta, July 26, 2014

    http //

    video with subtitkes – http //

  16. stephanaugust  July 27, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    This is so much 9/11 style it has to be the official explanation by the government.

  17. jmreeves  July 27, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Curiouser and curiouser.
    Not as advertised, that’s for sure.
    Various factoids are still piling up.
    Thanks for your work Mr. Saive.


  18. stephanaugust  July 27, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Why is no one asking if they could have taken all their needed MH17 parts from a place like this?

  19. joe chuy-medina  July 27, 2014 at 7:43 am

    @ frankly, I had another msg on that, on Stu Web article, but “someone” removed it. Would have to go back and search the nodisinfo site. There may be no value in that at this stage.

    Basically, all of the nodisinfo observations are possible, but don’t fit our “logical” brains. So we reject it. “You can’t tell me!” The sign of a closed mind. Personally, I would forget about the crash at a road, because it is possible, if not probable, due to fewer roads than land.

    Once you prove that “A” cannot be non-A, the hypothesis is destroyed, but the collectivity wants you to prove what non A is before they will discard their firm beliefs. 911 is a great example, as is Sandy hoax.

    So far, Harold is on a reasonable mission. Readers will notice that he responds to most comments, unlike several other authors who post on VT.

    Also, the tail stabilizer remained with the engines? Upright? Is that normal? On and on.


  20. muchkama  July 27, 2014 at 7:31 am

    Great post!

  21. stephanaugust  July 27, 2014 at 2:28 am

    The exercise is called Rapid Trident and the stabilizer shows a double trident? Just wow.

    • Harold Saive  July 27, 2014 at 7:14 am

      Nice catch. I forgot to mention that.

  22. Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Hoax = deception. When you fully absorb the art of deception (Machiavelli) you must consider that every perception could be “deception” or hoax. Willingness to accept cognitive dissonance is essential at finding the facts. Those who want the story to end a certain way will reject my evidence of a hoax because it spoils their expectations about how the drama will unfold. Too much like entertainment when this should be regarded as deadly serious stuff.

    • Frankly Speaking  July 26, 2014 at 11:59 pm

      Bravo, Harold!.

      If haven’t already, you should read all of DR’s K’s work There is a good deal of useful hoax analysis there, (you don’t have to agree with 100%). This will bolster your own thinking. Perhaps you might absorb the best points and write an article in VT about it?

  23. Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    The engine debris fails to match the GE-90 engine in physical siz no matter which part you inspect. High bypass engines are similar in basic design but smaller engines create smaller debris. The 2 large 10,5 inch fans are completely missing because they don’t exist. the titanium nose cone is practically indestructible but there is no sign of it because it doesn’t exist. — The vertical stabilizer doesn’t match a B-777 airframe. Every time you look there is something else that doesn’t match.

  24. Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    9M-MRD was listed as “canceled” on the day of the crash. Passenger Cor Pan took a picture of the plane he was going to board on that day, but the tail number was 9M-MRC. It’s possible the cancellation had something to do with the passenger risk due some anticipated aggressive air activity having to do with the NATO military exercise “rapid triton”.

    All this airplane intrigue sounds way too much like the monkey business around the 9/11 “hoax”.

  25. joshada  July 26, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    Hi , I’m new here . Go to this site https //
    Nice pics from the “MH17” at the crash site , but not from the engine . Strange .
    Jeroen Akkermans is a dutch journalist from RTL news Berlin .

    http //

  26. Simpsons Donkey  July 26, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    People are so keen to go off on a tangent.
    Use your eyes. The part in the field is NOT the ten-foot front fan. Count the blades, there are 3 or 4 times as many on the fan in the field. It’s a different part. It’s also crushed and half-buried.
    MH17 was tracked, not by Europe’s FAA, but by geeks, all the way from Schiphol. They watched it cross the path of Putin’s plane. Tell me how another plane was stitiched in.
    Relatives of the dead from Australia are now arriving at the crash site. Tell me how they are all crisis actors, voluntarily going into a hot war zone.
    The AIDS conference in Melbourne was short the people on the plane, no more, no less. Tell me how they fudged that.
    While you’re concocting more red herrings, I’ll concentrate on which Ukie Nazi and which American Nazi I got to get even with.

    • Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      I agree…..the GE90 has a huge 10.5 ft.diameter fan with 22 blades of a distinctive shape made from composite material. With no evidence that Boeing-777 engine parts can be located at the crash scene, we cannot leap to conclusions that a Boeing-777 actually crashed.

      For weeks corpse media claimed with certitude that MH-370 crashed into the ocean even when no debris could be found. Later, we were offered conclusive evidence by open-source investigators that MH-370 was hijacked.

      Many things happen during a planned military exercise like Rapid Trident that can effect perception management.

      It’s rational to entertain that valid corpses are ready to be claimed by families even while we confront the fact that there’s no evidence that a Boeing-777 crashed. Spinning 2 plates should not be that difficult.

    • ptwang  July 27, 2014 at 10:52 am

      Yes I saw the Aussie parents at the crash site – seems regular people are allowed in to wander around but not investigators if you believe the garbage propaganda. There have been very few families that have had to fake grief so far, most are distant relatives so don’t even have to have been seen with the victims.

      The AIDS contingent – started with 108, now only 6, convincing.

      Brand new passports and corpses that fell into the homes stank and didn’t bleed – can’t get past that I’m afraid.

  27. JS  July 26, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Here’s a bit more about the exercise this year.

    • Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 6:59 pm

      Thanks….There is broad coverage of these events if you know how to get to the right sources, but corpse media continued to stay quiet on Exercise Rapid Trident even during all the upheaval in the Ukraine.

      Why? …. Perhaps It wouldn’t look good for the American people to know that the US was “calling the shots” on a multi-national war games operation in the Ukraine just as civilian planes were allegedly missiled out of the sky.

    • Harold Saive  July 28, 2014 at 9:47 am

      Keep checking back to the site for a news release on how Rapid Trident succeeded this year….. in 2014. Ha!

  28. joe chuy-medina  July 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    Harold, we may be looking at a section near the jet engine burn chamber, rather than the front “compressor” which is driven by the turbine jet, of course. I vaguely understand turbo from fanjet but am no authority.


    • Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 6:14 pm

      None of the parts on the ground match the GE90 in size, function or design.

  29. joe chuy-medina  July 26, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    have already read comments somewhere saying that the engines ARE indeed either the GE, PW, or RR engines, don’t recall their logic behind that. Remember my first comment that they looked to be much smaller -as was the case of the planted 747 engine on Church and Murray St in NYC?
    Obviously, the first fan at 126″ is much bigger than anything in the crash photos.

    as an aside, I believe that “disinfo” noticed this apparent visual contradiction, although I didn’t agree with most of his conclusions.

    I guess I am reading too much, and learning too little! but mature people understand that almost anything is possible when the US government and military are involved.


    • Harold Saive  July 26, 2014 at 6:17 pm

      There is no logic that can explain how this crash scene fails to show anything resembling a GE90.

    • Harold Saive  July 27, 2014 at 4:02 pm

      Any evidence of engines at the crash site was hauled in by truck and dumped on the ground. Any hunk of metal falling to earth from 33,000 feet would disintegrate as it created a big hole in the earth.

    • Harold Saive  July 28, 2014 at 9:42 am

      It turns out the engines were Rolls Royce TRENT-800 engines (see the article corrections) that DO appear to match a heap of metal described as the “combustion” unit of the TRENT-800 dumped on the ground. The appearance of these parts to the exclusion of the huge turbofan assembly is the first clue to imported crash parts. But the biggest clue is these parts are laid on the surface of the ground as if dumped out of a truck. Any middle-school physics student will know a massive hunk of metal falling from 33,000 feet will create a massive hole in the earth as it essentially disintegrates into an unidentifiable heap of metal.

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