Breaking: Russian Satellite Imagery on MH17 (Black Box and New Evidence)

Black Box Proves Missile Didn’t Do It

… by  Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

Scroll down for our update on “explosive decompression” and aircraft cannon coverage.  Simply put, shrapnel or “fragmentation” can’t blow an airplane apart.  Bullets have little effect and even blowing out a door or window won’t do much.  However, a moderate bomb can do much, as you can check below.  A bigger bomb now seems to be the answer and, just perhaps, the missile seen below as a way of trying to blame Russia.

Read the new material supplied by Los Alamos National Labs.  If you have questions, list them and we will endeavor to get you the answers.

 

Reporting on Malaysian Airlines flight MH17  has become childish, irresponsible and many have actually decided to invent wild stories even worse than the government/AIPAC lies.

Some such stories are on Veterans Today, stories totally unresearched, stories that are groundless and based on speculation and bad brain chemistry.  Such stories push our editorial limits as they are no more than spam.

We have made note of several findings thus far.  We have noted that were a missile used, an exhaust trail would have been visible for many miles and would have been photographed.  It was not and, thus, never existed.  Locals were questioned, none saw a launch nor exhausts.

The Russians have finally allowed someone to send us their video of MH17.  Judge for yourself.  We stick to “bomb” but are taking this under advisement:

[ Note: What you will be watching below is not a black and white image but infrared one. Hotter items show up as white. What looks like a launch smoke plume is not…but the infared heat signature. If  you rewatch it and freeze at the beginning you will see the white hot spot dot where the launcher was in the tree line. There is a smoke plume, very visible, loud, and more visible as it gets higher…Jim W. Dean ]


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Video shows Kolomoisky forces firing on MH17.    These units are led by Israeli volunteers. Thus far, this is the “best evidence” though we are still going with wreckage until the US can offer its own suppressed satellite imagery.

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The next video is visual video demo of an updatee BuK_M2 SAM missile battery firing to give you an eye level view. When you watch the missile get high you will have a feel for how many people must have seen it…and heard it. So a major anomally here is why did not more of the public witnesses it, post Youtube videos or cel phone uploadings showing this event. Could all of that been electronically blocked somehow?


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Accused Israeli - Cypriot Terrorist Leader Kolomoisky

Accused Israeli – Cypriot Terrorist Leader Kolomoisky

Among those going into battle from the Ukrainian side are some 500 trained fighters in the self-declared Azov battalion, backed by Jewish energy magnate and Dnipropetrovsk region governor, Igor Kolomoisky, according to Israel’s Ma’ariv daily.

A source at Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, cited by Voice of Russia, claimed that “Kolomoisky is the most outspoken opponent of the plan on settling the situation in the East of Ukraine.”

In April, Kolomoisky placed a $10,000 bounty on the head of any Russian “saboteur,” caught, according to the UK’s The Guardian, which added that turning over a grenade launcher to Kiev authorities would net finders $2,000, and $1,500 for every heavy machine gun handed in.”

Video of Kolomoisky troops shelling civilians in Gorlovski only an hour ago.


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The US has two spy ships off Ukraine.  If a missile were fired, they would have evidence as would our satellites that have watched that region since “forever.”  No evidence exists.  On the contrary, we did find evidence that only Ukrainian army has such weapons.  When that was told to the press, they were told that it should be reported that the Ukrainian Army units may well have “defected” to the rebels and then “re-defected” or is it “un-defected” back again.

It isn’t just the blogger amateurs that make things up.  We are still faced with a bomb on a plane, put there in Schip(h)ol Airport.  We now have evidence of “salted” wreckage being hauled in.  This is the funny part, a real ground to air missile may, at best, put about a pound, two at max, of steel balls and small parts into a plane.  Here is a quote from VT editor, Colonel James Hanke, an actual expert on air defense systems:

“From the examination of ‘recently found’ pieces of wreckage, it looks like they fired an ICBM at the plane, perhaps one with a 53 Studebaker strapped to the top.  Blast patterns on what appears to be ‘salted’ wreckage indicates a warhead of several thousand pounds.”

This is way too dense of a strike pattern for a ground to air missle

This is way too dense of a strike pattern for a ground to air missle

When Wayne Madsen wrote an article describing the use of a BUK/SA11 system against Air Algerie, our correspondent in North Africa, UN Arms inspector Alan Smythee, almost died laughing.  “They can’t even tie their shoes or keep a Fiat running…”

The failure to recognize a pattern of activity from the repulsive new Egyptian government and their role in Gaza to the bizarre comedy act in Mosul to the Tel Aviv based oligarchs now ruling Ukraine, a failure by the press, by all the press, by governments certainly, is astounding.

We are very much watching the SSG, Secret Shadow Government, fighting the beginnings of a world war, one fought with terrorism, ethnic cleansing and psychological warfare.  Though elections are openly stolen in the United States, we see millions of Americans basking in race hatred, class envy and simple idiocy, supporting the SSG with every fibre of their being.

The organ’s of the SSG, the Jamestown Foundation, Rand Corporation, Heritage Foundation, US Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, the National Rifle Association, the Potomac Institute, PJ Media, AIPAC, the ACL, the SPLC, the American Legion, the American Enterprise Institute and so many others are openly working to enslave this country.

There is overwhelming evidence that several operate biological and chemical weapons facilities, are involved in bizarre genetic projects in North Korea, are responsible for Benghazi, Sandy Hook, the Breveik killings in Norway (more attacks warned of), traffic in narcotics, human organs and run a worldwide pedophile ring.

This group/cabal had been involved, through the 1990’s, in the theft of nuclear weapons from the United States, in partnership with Victor Bout, weapons sold around the world, weapons reconfigured for terror attacks, perhaps the worst kept secret in the world with a suppressed FBI investigation, full involvement of US special operations commands and even a Department of Energy report outlining it all. 

Intelligence agencies around the world, now aware this material is out there, after Veterans Today published “proofs,” are offering everything.  Threats will follow.  It is an accepted believe that, in the right or “wrong” hands, this information can bring down governments.

With them is an endless stream of cults, the majority more or less satanic, operating inside Judaism, Catholicism and Evangelical Christianity.  ISIS is the first truly satanic Islamic cult.  All are carefully coordinated through a network of handlers, drowning in cash stolen by the Federal Reserve and backed by a flood of politicians around the world, heads of state in France, the UK and Australia, the list can go on.

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Explosive Decompression from “Shrapnel” Debunked

Explosive decompression (ED) refers to a sudden marked drop in the pressure of a system that occurs in less than 0.1 seconds, associated with explosive violence. Generally it results from some sort of material fatigue or engineering failure, causing a contained system to suddenly vent into the external atmosphere.Seals in high pressure vessels are also susceptible to explosive decompression; the rubber gaskets used to seal pressurized pipelines tend to become saturated with high-pressure gases. If the pressure inside the vessel is suddenly released, then the gases within the rubber gasket may expand violently, causing blistering or explosion of the material. For this reason, it is common for military and industrial equipment to be subjected to an explosive decompression test before it is certified as safe for use.The pressure drop in other situations often takes longer than 0.1 second, and is then more accurately described as rapid decompression. Well known examples of explosive decompression are the Buford Dolphin diving bell accident and the Turkish Airlines Flight 981 disaster.Misunderstandings of the meaning of the words are quite likely to be a fueling factor for a persistent myth that humans would explode if exposed to the non-pressure of space. Accidents in space exploration research and high-altitude aviation have shown that while vacuum exposure causes swelling, human skin is tough enough to handle a drop of one ATM. A sudden drop of eight ATM in the Buford Dolphin accident had intensely fatal results.

Source(s):

National and international standards for explosive decompression testing include:MIL-STD-810, 202
RTCA/D0-160
NORSOK M710
API 17K and 17J
NACE TM0192 and TM0297
TOTALELFFINA SP TCS 142 Appendix H———————————————————————————————————————-
Aloha Airlines Flight 243
Fuselage of Aloha Airlines Flight 243 after the explosive decompression.
Accident summary
Date 28 April 1988
Summary Explosive decompression caused by fatigue failure
Site KahuluiHawaii
Passengers 90
Crew 5
Injuries (non-fatal) 65
Fatalities 1
Survivors 94
Aircraft type Boeing 737-297
Aircraft name Queen Liliuokalani
Operator Aloha Airlines
Registration N73711
Flight origin Hilo Int’l Airport (ITO)
Destination Honolulu Int’l Airport (HNL

Aloha Airlines Flight 243 (AQ 243AAH 243) was a scheduled Aloha Airlines flight between Hilo and Honolulu in Hawaii. On April 28, 1988, a Boeing 737-297 serving the flight suffered extensive damage after an explosive decompression in flight, but was able to land safely at Kahuna Airport on Maui. There was one fatality, flight attendant Clara belle “C.B.” Lansing, who was swept overboard from the airplane. Another 65 passengers and crew were injured.

The safe landing of the aircraft despite the substantial damage inflicted by the decompression established Aloha Airlines Flight 243 as a significant event in the history of aviation, with far-reaching effects on aviation safety policies and procedures.

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The Truth About Explosive Decompression

By  on July 7, 2004

Is it true that if you shoot a bullet through the skin of an airliner in flight, everyone would get sucked out the little hole? If not, Hollywood has a lot of explaining to do.

Adam and Jamie from Myth busters on the Discovery Channel set out the other night to find out if this was true. The myth is based on the fact that an airliner at 35,000 feet is like a balloon flying through the air — the air pressure on the inside (pushing out against the inside of the plane) is much higher than the ambient air pressure at that altitude.

When you pierce the skin of a balloon with a pin, the whole thing pops. The pressurized air inside the balloon rushes out with such force that it “grabs” the edges of the hole as it leaves and tears the balloon apart in an instant. The same should be true for an airliner, right? And everything in the plane should go rushing out the hole, right?

No. Myth busters proved this wasn’t the case, thus proving wrong several dozen action movies and at least one James Bond film. And, true to Myth buster’s style, they proved this point with a veritable tidal wave of geekiness.

They went to an airline graveyard in the Mohave Desert and found an old Hawaiian Airlines 737. They sealed it up, then brought in a massive air compressor and pumped the plane full of air until the difference between the interior of the plane and the air at sea level was the same as it would be if the plane was flying at 35,000 feet.

Now the cool part — inside the plane, they had parked their crash-test dummy, Buster, in a window seat. In the aisle, they rigged up a Glock 9mm to a firing mechanism and pointed it at the hull of the plane. Then, with the plane fully pressurized, they fired the gun remotely.

What happened? Nothing. Sure, the air rushed out, but even Styrofoam peanuts they had placed in the aisle didn’t move, much less Buster. They did the test a second time, this time firing through the window right next to Buster. Same result — nothing.

Not satisfied (I love it when they’re not satisfied…), they rigged explosive cord around the window to simulate the window blowing out due to structural failure. They pressurized the plane again and blew the window.

The results were much more satisfying — Buster got his arm yanked out the window. Crash test dummies aren’t designed to come apart, but if he were a human, I think he would have lost his arm. However, the rest of his body just wasn’t going through the window, no matter what the myth said.

Still not satisfied, Adam and Jamie put a “shaped charge” (whatever that is) against the hull next to Buster’s knee. Plane pressurized once again, they blew the charge.

Now, I don’t know how much damage was from the charge and how much was from the air rushing out, but the entire roof came off the plane. Buster, believe it or not, was still belted in his chair, but there was a 20-foot section of the roof missing. That plane was toast, and it looked eerily similar to Aloha Airlines flight 243 that lost its roof in mid-flight back in 1988.

So, myth busted. However, they didn’t address one thing: the drop in air pressure caused by the velocity of the air outside the plane. You see, the entire concept of flight is based on the fact that air pressure goes down as the speed of the air goes up.

So when a hole gets blown in the side of the plane, even after all the air rushes out and the pressure of the plane is equal to the ambient air pressure at that altitude, you now have 600 m.p.h. air rushing past the hole, which would have a much lower air pressure than the stationary air inside the plane.

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NEW MH17 SENSATION: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets.

ukrainejetsSurface to air missile attack ruled out as calibre of cockpit bullet holes puts Ukraine pilots in the frame for MH17 murders

This is what a German pilot-cum-air technology expert Peter Haisenko has just published on the subject of the MH17 disaster (my emphases):

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137 Responses to "Breaking: Russian Satellite Imagery on MH17 (Black Box and New Evidence)"

  1. rolan  July 30, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    @Gordon

    Revelations of German Pilot Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting
    Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile”

    http //www.globalresearch.ca/german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/5394111?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17

    ***
    VERY STRANGE disinfo of the more sophisticated level with some
    minimal, *plausible*/conceivable (for the technically naive)
    narrative; are *they*… how to say, phishing (fishing
    etymologically), trying to elicit responses?

    Ridicolous

    At the most trivial level, an Il-96 has 4x engines, a Boeing 2x
    GIGANTIC engines; this is *IMPOSSIBLE* to not go noticed.

    The painting schemes/layout are **VERY MUCH** different, unless
    one is suffering from attention/cognitive deficits. As the VERY
    MINIMUM, try to ask to an Indonesian if he can mistake his flag
    with a Polish one (or vice versa); red-blue for the naive and the
    cannon fodder of the media; who was supposed to be sitting inside
    the Su-25, a Mexican pilot?

    But the Kindergarten thickens; having closed both eyes on the
    fancy premise that the Il-96 would really have been flying over
    the area to begin with; can you imagine an Su-25 having a chance
    to approach Putin’s presidential aircraft, and then by *surprise*
    also? (Time to take an IQ test if the answer is yes; I know, the
    *scoop* came from RT, if I am not mistaken; means nothing still.)

    • rolan  July 30, 2014 at 6:22 pm

      Boeing 777 2x…

    • rolan  July 30, 2014 at 6:37 pm

      Transponders; Putin’s Ilyushin sending signals as being MH17!!!?
      With MH17 switching off its transponder (we know that it couldn’t);
      hello?!, but okay, we could keep going, and going enumerating the
      list.

    • rolan  July 30, 2014 at 8:39 pm

      JIC (I know scuba diving WELL; and I may not be alone on that here
      at the site likely) and more for… how to say?, the *sports* [given the
      *cogency* of the article I am criticizing] of commenting, red increasingly
      appears dark/blackish, when light diminishes SIGNIFICANTLY; which was
      NOT the case with MH17.

  2. CoJonesGrandes  July 30, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    This is an excellent blogger
    futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/predictions-kiev-junta-losses-botched-false-flag-foreign-mercenaries-shale-gas-in-ukraine-goes-puff-how-long-has-the-kiev-junta-left/

    Few people know that one day before the Malaysian Boeing 777 downing by Kiev in eastern Ukraine, 4000 Kiev troops were surrounded by self-defence in 3 locations Donetsk airport, Lugansk airport and near border with Russia. Per Donbass/Novorossia leaders’ reports, this included dozens of tanks, ARCs, planes, and anti-aircraft launchers – a huge loss for the Kiev military. Self-defence was getting ready to close the circle. Once the Boeing 777 catastrophe happened, once the banshee howling started in Kiev and the West that it was self-defence that downed it, which distracted and broadsided the inexperienced politically self-defence commanders, Kiev was able to advance and retrieve its surrounded forces. The confusion surrounding the Boeing downing helped the fledgling Kiev forces to take a break and regroup.

    • CoJonesGrandes  July 30, 2014 at 5:34 pm

      Her prediction Russians will come out of this with flying colors. The West – especially US, Canada and UK – meanwhile is really accumulating the kind of bad karma that will come back to haunt them soon.

  3. CoJonesGrandes  July 30, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    Brilliant article at
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-29/senior-us-intelligence-officers-obama-should-release-ukraine-evidence

    There’s a group of intel vets telling the US government not to cheapen its credibility by using social media to blacken Russia’s name and to release some real evidence. They say that
    whenever Kerry does cite supposed “evidence” that can be checked … the “proof” goes “poof

    • jmreeves  August 1, 2014 at 8:11 am

      Why do I imagine two (pick two you think are worthy)
      playing ‘wishbone” with Kerry.
      All the fake gravitas would then need to be scrubbed.

      John

  4. jmreeves  July 29, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    Point in passing.
    Winter is coming (and no I do not think the fracking I spoke of is for the natives to stay warm.
    Anyway, there are a lot of IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons)
    These people did nothing to no one except somebody blew up their house (caricature.
    But really, what are a few hundred thousand people to do?
    And the creatures arraigning this no doubt are aware.
    The game is to mess it up so bad no one can fix it.
    I know it makes no sense.
    Fiction has to make sense.

    John

  5. maryhysmith  July 29, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    iGordon, I do not if it is meaningful but it was mentioned today on RT that the Ukrainian troops had started shooting cruise missiles today.

    I thought it funny in a satircal way but RT had story that the Ukraine military is out of gas. Right Sector guys are hitting the Russian owned gas stations and stealing gas for the military.

    Don’t miss this http //www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/obama-release-ukraine-evidence.html

  6. rolan  July 29, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    [Update, see my previous posts]
    On the difficulties a Su-25 would have been confronted with when
    attacking MH17 directly see last paragraph

    http //en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2700-ukrainian-air-force-secretly-receives-su-25-attack-and-close-air-support-aircraft-from-third-countries.html

    [… U]krainian Air Force may have secretly received Su-25 attack
    and close-air support aircraft from third countries, according to
    Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, Viktor Bondarev.
    “Of course, I do not know where Ukraine obtained all those
    Su-25s. They should have had 12-15 flight-capable aircraft at
    best by now, but in fact there is much more of them in the air”
    According to Viktor Bondarev, there are two possible explanations
    for this.

    “One – they are violating all possible rules and operation
    manuals with complete disregard to pilot safety, flying the
    aircraft that served well beyond their regular service limits.

    The other explanation is that someone quietly supplied them the
    aircraft and they are using them in a very harsh manner”

    Besides, Bondarev considers the training level of Ukrainian
    pilots to be very low. “Ukrainian flight crews have seen very
    little flight training, and hardly a day goes by without reports
    that the insurgents shot down one, two or even three Su-25s. This
    occurs due to very poor flying skills of the Ukrainian pilots”
    […]

  7. Cold Wind  July 29, 2014 at 5:34 am

    Apparently, pro-Russian Rebels handed over ‘black boxes’ (two) to Malaysian authorities with the stipulation they would be given to an independent and trusted investigative body. Assuming these boxes were from MH17, how did they end up in end up in British hands? Who is now in charge of the crash site? Can we trust them? If a missile or a bomb were responsible, wouldn’t residue test have established which was the culprit by now? Have any of the bodies been competently identified? Do they correspond to the MH17 passenger manifest? Is their any corroborating evidence for ‘old dead’ bodies. Why are there so few pictures of the crash scene?

    • maryhysmith  July 29, 2014 at 8:57 pm

      I might can help on the boxes. I can’t remember source but was an aeronautical guy. He said there were only 4 groups in the world that read black boxes. One in the US, UK, Austrailia and I didn’t get the last. UK got picked. There is an official investigation team. They are at the site but fighting broke out yesterday so they were not able to do their job. I don’t know where they are but there are tons of pictures. I was watching RT when it happened, they were right on the scene and have been since. I don’t buy the dead body stuff. I think it was Saturday when the complaints of the smell got made. I saw lots of pictures the first day of bodies. They looked quite “fresh”, not to be crude. I checked temps and it is like in the high 80’s there. Combine the fire and I would think those two things contributed to faster decay. One comment two different people made was of bodies being bled out. My suspicion would be of the depressization on that. My suspicion is Kolomoisky and Minister of Interior – don’t know rest involved but my gut says they were over confident and probably not that smart of such issues. Hopefully enough professionals are out there who will eye on it all and will be talking if they try to cover it up.

      This is an example http //www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/obama-release-ukraine-evidence.html

  8. Luutzen  July 29, 2014 at 5:34 am

    1. The MH17 flightpath was chaged by Kiev Airspace controll
    2. Russian satelite shows SA-11/BUK batteries with Oekranian uniforms and SU-25 fighter jet
    3. Donetsk eywitness accounts saw Fighter Jet shoot down the MH17

    The German source in Gordon’s article says the 30 mm ammo can blast a “pantzer” and certainly a passenger airliner like a balloon. It seems to me, a fighterjet has the capability to blast a passenger airliner. D No matter what myth buster say…

    it all points to the Unkranian army involvement, nicely co-ordiated by the Top floor of Ukraines SBU (secret service), John Brennan’s CIA.

    http //www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317

  9. rolan  July 29, 2014 at 4:30 am

    @Gordon Duff

    I have read your NEO’s article, ‘MH17 Another Israeli Cover
    Up?’, which is **VERY** interesting.

    > Israeli F 15 flying out of Azerbaijan, where Kiev air traffic
    control turned MH17 into banned air space

    > We also know an Israeli F 15e with APG 70 radar, believed to
    have been configured as an AWAC (Airborne Warning and Control),
    left Azerbaijani airspace. The F 15e with a mission commander in
    the back seat of this two man advanced fighter bomber, the pride
    of the Israeli air force, could have provided tracking and
    targeting data or, if necessary, downed the airliner itself from
    a surprising distance.

    This is makes a **LOT** of sense. The Russians asked what were
    AWAC aircrafts (one or more) doing at the time in the area; ditto
    for a “new experimental [US] satellite positioned over Eastern
    Europe for 1-2 hours, and directly over Donetsk in eastern
    Ukraine from 5 06pm – 5 21pm.”^1

    Now, the McDonnell Douglas F-15E is an entirely different kind of
    a beast; among others things, its ceiling is [wiki] 60,000 ft
    (18,200 m), has good combat radii already plus aerial refueling
    capability, and it can be armed with Advanced Medium-Range
    Air-to-Air Missiles, or AMRAAMs, guided (beam riding) missiles
    which would home in on reflections from a target illuminated by
    radar(s).

    %

    1. http //www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317

    • rolan  July 29, 2014 at 4:32 am

      [continued]

      [wiki] AMRAAM uses two-stage guidance when fired at long range
      [operational range > 180 km]. The aircraft passes data to the
      missile just before launch, giving it information about the
      location of the target aircraft from the launch point and its
      direction and speed. The missile uses this information to fly on
      an interception course to the target using its built in inertial
      navigation system (INS). This information is generally obtained
      using the launching aircraft’s radar, although it could come from
      an infrared search and tracking system (IRST), from a data link
      from another fighter aircraft, or from an AWACS aircraft.

      Notice that the *kill probabilty* of the AMRAAMs, which typically
      decrease as the distance range increases, is offset here because
      the 777 represented a trivial target to hit.

      BTW, I would also not exclude some *extras*, such some… who
      knows?, quasi ballistic use of an AMRAAM, given the capabilities
      (ceiling + speed) of the F 15 and the presence of the satellite.

    • rolan  July 29, 2014 at 4:53 am

      http //al-faedah.blogspot.com/2014/07/mh17-israeli-connection-kolomoyskys-army.html

      [… T]he 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended
      in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic
      warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing
      EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and
      Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian
      Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the
      Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and
      Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.

      [… U.S.] AWACS electronic intelligence (ELINT) aircraft were
      also flying over the Black Sea region at the time of the MH-17
      flyover of Ukraine. Growler aircraft have the capability to jam
      radar systems in all surface-to-air threats. […]

  10. CoJonesGrandes  July 29, 2014 at 2:35 am

    Do the Ukie fighter jets have that fail safe device which Khalezov spoke of in his video when he explained that it’s not possible for the US air force to have fired missiles to down the 9/11 passenger planes and would thus have had to resort to strafing the jets with bullets? Khalezov said that passenger jets would continually transmit a message saying “I’m a friend.” and the device in fighter jets would not allow missiles to be fired at such planes.

  11. jmreeves  July 28, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Spare me a moment,
    I have met insects with more wisdom than some of the people I am watching, to wit
    I rent asunder (by accident) the home of some small wasps that live here too,
    They sent one guy, he chased me down, stung me one time, and went home.
    There is nothing to hold a grudge over.
    They did not send the whole nest after me,
    No, I do not think it likely this would serve to shame anyone into behaving.
    I find it interesting, and hope you don’t mind me mentioning.
    I am so disgusted with the Vogonity.
    Remember that all the creatures, not just the humans, are hurting.
    If you were them what would you make of us?

    John

  12. jmreeves  July 28, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Well shiver me timbers lest they blow me down (obvious landlubber!
    But
    According to RT they are already setting up fracking sites in Eastern Ukraine
    before the shrapnel is even cold (so to speak).
    I really am astounded at the unmitigated audacity,
    right down the road they (the Kievians and whoever else
    are still shooting up the joint.
    They have displaced upwards of half a million people,
    who never were consulted let alone went to war on anyone.
    Scary, and they might try it here. (I hate to mention but disruption is pretty easy
    it is keeping things working and useful that is difficult.
    No, I do not think it is around the corner,
    but we have no genetic native er whatever immunity to being tricked.(either).

    John

  13. jmreeves  July 28, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    Perhaps indiscriminate strangulation is not the solution.
    Not all media (good or bad) comes out of Hollywoodland
    and not all that does come from there can be so easily tarred in my opinion.
    I will fess (one mans experience, obviously yours is different)
    I got so angry with the 157 channels and nothing on (which happens but is not all the time)
    I got it turned off, it lasted about 1 day..I require “input” (jonny5)
    Later I heard what the prices are at the theaters (also hear a lot of folks are not attending lately)
    Anyway, no gum, no noisy children, and movies are expensive.
    We never had this before, personally I find it too valuable to discard.
    I swallowed my pride and had them turn it back on.

    John

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