MH17: Another Israeli Cover Up?

pilotMH17: Another Israeli Cover Up?


By Gordon Duff and New Eastern Outlook, Moscow


The latest disaster, one that has scrubbed Israel’s bizarre onslaught into Gaza off newspaper front pages, 298 dead, can be nothing but more than yet another cover up operation. Every news asset, every politico known to be a creature of the Israeli/organized crime nexus, has weighed in. Their every lie tells one story; “Israel did it.”

The facts tell another story, one of false flag terrorism. If only McCain and Tony Abbot, if only Fox and CNN, the Huffington Post and, worst of all, accused Israeli spy, Jane Harmon’s Daily Beast:

“Why would Putin want to shoot down a commercial airliner? And if it was an accident, why would Putin allow the separatists to have a weapon this powerful without having full control over how it was used?”

You couldn’t scream “Israel did it” any louder. It is almost embarrassing. There is nothing innocent about these utterly fabricated stories, particularly when the truth, a very different truth, is out there as well, substantiated, validated and verified.


Who would murder 298 people? Who benefits? Why would someone do this unless they had a plan, a plan and control of the media? This leaves one possibility, one name only behind the “shoot down” of MH 17.

Two stories are emerging, one where the Ukraine, aided by Israeli teams and a US/Israeli F 15 flying out of Azerbaijan, where Kiev air traffic control turned MH17 into banned air space, while this cabal of terrorists murdered 298 people. The BUK missile systems were caught by Russian satellites, the planes assisting were observed and the evidence in the massive wreckage is overwhelming.

There is a second story. This one involves the attempt, let by Assistant Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland and her husband, neocon political extremist John Kagan, both Israeli citizens, coordinating with the junta in Kiev, the cabal in Tel Aviv, armies of assets in Washington and New York, and pulling every trigger, Australia’s puppet Tony Abbott, the always mentally defective Senator John McCain along with the scum of world’s owned and blackmailed political world.

Both stories are much the same, false flag terror and the belief, perhaps correct in its underestimation of the moral courage of world leaders, that if the controlled press tells a lie enough, no politician will stand against the onslaught.

After all, hadn’t Israel just murdered three of their own, blamed Hamas without a shred of evidence, and begun massive collective punishment and now a full scale invasion and not one word is said about it?

Then again, with the exposure of Israel’s ties to ISIS, the “traveling circus” of media darlings, Rolex watches, carefully staged mosque demolitions and mass executions, fighting Israel’s wars, eradicating Israel’s enemies, on and on.

Who would allow this and stay silent? This is the price of a world led by cowards, all but one, Vladimir Putin and the besieged “few” of the honest media.


Every controlled news media is touting the same story, one pulled out of nowhere, a total fabrication, that intercepted phone calls prove the Russian backed rebels shot down MH17 though they have no weapons capable of such a task and everyone knows it.

Using terms like “purported” and “alleged,” every news agency in the US and most in Britain have accepted the same story with many of them carrying a YouTube video now believed to have been begun days in advance.


If there was any question about the fate of MH370, it is now safe to assume that Israel may have taken that down as well. Author and investigative journalist Christopher Bollyn had located an “analog” of the Boeing 777ER in a hangar inside Israel, painted with Malaysian Airlines colors.

Unless Bollyn imagined this, and he furnished photographs, who could hide a massive aircraft like this? Why would it be done? However, Bollyn tells us where it is, where it was and there have been no questions answered but many asked.

The same Israeli teams responsible for faking Syrian Army communications in order to blame the government of President Assad for use of chemical weapons by Al Nusra, weapons traced to a US run chemical warfare facility in Tbilisi, Republic of Georgia. These WMDs were transported to Syria by Ukrainian nationalists under Israeli direction in an almost identical act of false flag terrorism.

Why let facts interfere when you have wars to start, genocide in Gaza to push off the front page and a puppet regime in Kiev to bolster, one that just suffered a massive military defeat.


54352No commercial aircraft have flown over this region since April. This is closed air space. From Global Travel News, hardly a conspiracy site, we learn some startling facts:

“ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.”

We know the plane was redirected over a conflict area by air traffic controllers in Kiev. We know where the plane went down, two hundred miles from where it should have been unless Kiev had placed it there, right over the BUK air defense batteries the Ukrainian Army had placed to support their “not so secret” failed offensive.

We know that Novorussian separatists have only shoulder fired air defense weapons with a maximum targeting altitude of 10,000 feet, incapable of shooting down an airliner.

We also know an Israeli F 15e with APG 70 radar, believed to have been configured as an AWAC (Airborne Warning and Control), left Azerbaijani airspace. The F 15e with a mission commander in the back seat of this two man advanced fighter bomber, the pride of the Israeli air force, could have provided tracking and targeting data or, if necessary, downed the airliner itself from a surprising distance.


There are rumors, published in Russia Today, that President Putin had flown over that area minutes before in a plane easily mistaken for MH17. Sources both confirm and deny this. If it is true, we will never know, not until there is a “population reduction” in Moscow’s own “fifth column.”

As for targeting Malaysia, that nation recently held public trials for Benjamin Netanyahu and George W. Bush, convicting them of war crimes. Is this reason enough to bring down two airliners with all aboard? With any nation other than Israel, the answer would be no.

With wars in the Ukraine, Gaza, Syria, Iraq, all managed by Tel Aviv, can we expect more and larger false flag terror attacks with their incumbent media hysteria?

The question is only “when.”


Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War that has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades and consulted with governments challenged by security issues. He’s a senior editor and chairman of the board of Veterans Today, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.

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  1. rolan  August 12, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    The cannon theory is UNTENABLE/UNSUSTAINABLE.

    The 777 having flown at 250 m/s means that every point A, B, or C
    of the aircraft shifted 250 m every second (A+250m, B+250m,
    C+250, ect.) WHILE the cannon was able to *only* fire rounds in
    the order of the tens per second. (Say 50 rounds/s = 3000/min.)

    Admitting one burst of a fraction of second with the cannon,
    every next round would have hit in the order of the meters aside,
    next to the preceding hit, the 777 flying at 250 m/s.

    (250 m/s) / (50 rounds/s) = 2.5 m/round

    Shooting at the 777 at an angle changes little (see
    trigonometry), the order of spacing of the rounds hitting the 777
    would be still in the orders of the meters.

    Is what observation of the cockpit and of the reaming body of the
    aircraft confirm?! **NO**

    (And *finishing* the 777 off with a cannon makes VERY little
    sense JIC, aside NOT solving the initial problem anyway.)

    • rolan  August 12, 2014 at 8:20 pm

      Notice that in the REAL WORLD aircraft’s cannons are there just to
      fill the vacuum when missiles can’t be fired because of the
      distance being too short.

      Also, typical cannon bursts are of one-two-… order of the
      unities rounds, with absolute limits in the order of the tens.
      (Ammo provided is also order of the hundredths only.)

  2. rolan  August 10, 2014 at 12:57 am

    http //

    *Anonymous* checks the timeline against the Carlos tweets and do
    some INTERESTING remarks [read Anonymous’s post].

    Notice that it’s Carlos who introduces the Ukrainian [see
    Foot-in-the-door technique] jet fighters appearing near MH17.

    But my point is rather this following gone

    [Anonymous] “I wonder who the hell this guy is. And where he is.
    There have been reports that it was all a fake, based on the fact
    that the Spanish Embassy in Kiev has apparently denied having any
    knowledge of him. But this is hardly proof of anything. If he was
    renewing his passport in Spain while on vacation, there was no
    reason for him to have had any contact with the embassy.

    He seems to have vanished completely. I wonder if we will ever
    hear from him.”

    Let’s see…

    • rolan  August 10, 2014 at 1:02 am

      No expatriates–from an European country at the least–here that
      could confirm how this CAN’T BE TRUE, that renewing a passport is
      not peanuts, and even less something that can be done in the hurry?
      [Nota bene, Carlos being in vacation in SPAIN!, not in the

    • rolan  August 10, 2014 at 1:06 am


      But my point is rather this following one [etc]

  3. rolan  August 9, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    ** 9/11 and the (magic) cellular phone calls…
    ** MH17 and say hello to the *cannon rounds*!

    Could a cannon round have produced this–look at the picture in

    https //

    Observe the MELTED aluminum and melted fiberglass-like resin, and
    the scratch/indentation on the aluminum where the rivet is
    absent–what do you… *think*? [re white hot shrapnel]

    [… C]oherent with a missile which did blast on the aircraft’s
    left side, between the nose and the leading edge of the left
    wing; type of puncture marks and the concentration are suitable
    with a SARH [semi-active radar homing missile].^1

    R-60 is heat seeking, hits from behind (engines)

    And forget hitting a 777 flying at 250 m/s at 10,000 m altitude
    with a cannon from 3-5 km far with an aircraft which can do less
    than 10% faster and is not suited nor equipped to do that.

    1. http //

  4. rolan  August 7, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    IMPORTANT, some clarification on the exhaust of Buk missiles,
    which use SOLID propellant.

    ** Homogeneous [solid] propellants DO NOT PRODUCE TRACEABLE FUMES
    and are, therefore, commonly used in tactical weapons.^1

    ** CONTRAILS [= condensation trails] form when hot humid air from
    jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure
    and low temperature.^2 They ARE NOT SMOKE FROM THE ENGINES.

    Sometimes planes leave contrails, and SOMETIMES THEY DON’T. It
    depends on the weather, and specifically IT DEPENDS ON THE
    WEATHER AT ALTITUDE. It’s also VERY LOCALIZED. A plane might
    leave a trail in one region, and another plane a mile away might
    not leave a trail.^3

    Some planes in the sky leave trails that persist and spread, and
    OTHER planes, in the SAME sky, leave short-lived trails, or no
    trails at all.^4

    Now there are TWO MAIN REASONS why some planes leave trails and
    some nearby planes do not.


    • rolan  August 7, 2014 at 10:44 pm

      The less common reason, is that different planes have DIFFERENT
      ENGINES. Some engines will leave a contrail in air where another
      engine will not. Here, for example [see the URL, very
      interesting!] are an Airbus A340 (maiden flight 1991) on the
      left, leaving contrails, and a Boeing 707 (maiden flight 1957)
      not leaving contrails. Both are flying at 33,000 feet (part of a
      German test to study contrail formation), but the newer engines
      of the A340 produce more water vapor at a different temperature,
      and so make contrails.

      But the main reason why you see trails on some planes but not on
      others is that they are in DIFFERENT REGIONS OF AIR. Let’s, for
      simplicity, refer to these regions of air as wet air and dry air.
      When the plane is in WET AIR, it makes a contrail. In DRY AIR it
      does not. Furthermore, wet and dry air can exist within a few
      feet of each other.^4

      1. http //
      2. http //
      3. http //
      4. http //

    • rolan  August 7, 2014 at 11:57 pm

      Wondering BTW if one ore more Su-25(s) (if any) went near MH17 O(
      couple of km ) so to rather produce/perturb/mask
      contrails–provided the meteorological condition were such that
      contrails could have been observed.

  5. rolan  August 7, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    @Jim Morrison

    > MH17 was shot down by a Su-25

    Buk missile, Su-25… In both cases it **CLEARLY** hasn’t been
    neither the self-defense militia nor Russia by any means.

    Now, by letting a Su-25 play a role we allow a MH17 *story
    telling* which is more compatible with the fingerprinting of
    *poor man* implementation of a false flag–because MH17
    UNDENIABLY has been a false flag.

    And which would be the *benefit* of representing MH17 as a poor
    man implementation of a false flag? Maybe the tentative to more
    or less plausibly shift responsibilities to some
    patsies/rogues–when absolutely ZERO that hasn’t been detailedly
    programmed and dictated by the Anglo Americans is permitted and
    can be done in Kiev?

    Could [sarcasm] the Anglo Americans with all their resources have
    botched a false flag?, then it can’t be them–do you see the

    It remains to be seen if the Su-25 version of the MH17 story
    telling is a kind of a (face saving) door left open–Syria
    style… Remember the two missiles shot down over the

    • rolan  August 7, 2014 at 6:08 pm


      http //

      US Analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft

      By Haris Hussain

      KUALA LUMPUR INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had
      already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot
      down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government
      had had something to do with it. […]


      “That the Ukrainian government had had SOMETHING TO DO WITH
      IT”… Is this a joke–and did my gardener crash my Lamborghini
      Gallardo as well–which “Ukrainian government,” a PUPPET Nazi
      junta installed by WHOM?!

  6. Worker Bee  August 7, 2014 at 2:36 am

    “…Assistant Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland and her husband, neocon political extremist John Kagan, both Israeli citizens…”

    Er, should be “Robert” and not “John”.

    Does thinking it should be wrong for a dual-citizen to hold a federal government position make me an Antisemite™, if the dual-citizenship is with the SLS (shitty little state)?

  7. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    And here it comes as well

    Feed The Vineyard of the Saker
    Title Detailed expert analysis of the MH17 downing
    http //
    Date Wed, 06 Aug 2014 09 31 00 +0700

    Dear friends,

    It is a huge pleasure for me to submit to you a detailed analysis
    made by “CDN” of the circumstances of the downing of MH17.

    You will notice that CDN’s analysis does not agree with my own
    hypothesis[1]. The difference being that CDN does have the
    professional expertise (accident investigation) to write such a
    report while I do not. Still, CDN has specifically asked me to
    “please encourage readers to be critical of my analysis” which I
    indeed encourage you to do–his analysis does not pretend to be
    The One And Only Truth but instead a basis for discussion.

    You can download his full report by clicking on either one of the
    following links

    https //[2]

    http //[3]

    • rolan  August 6, 2014 at 9:08 pm

      I have some experience with damage control and deliberate time
      wasting. In other news–example–the Dutch did STUPIDLY ask and
      pretend from the self-defense troops in Donetsk to be allowed to
      use their own *special* drones to survey the area and collect
      *MH17 crash* information. My god!, you can imagine what every
      non-idiot would have answered.

      I wonder also how the *trump card*/alibi of the insurance (death,
      injury, invalidity, etc.) which covers the investigators is being
      *played* by some countries to throw a spanner in the works.

  8. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Still of interest

    http //

    Aug. 8, 1996

    […T]he coroner said today he doubts that TWA Flight 800
    passengers experienced the horror of a free fall and thinks most
    suffered an almost instantaneous death.

    [… T]he blast occurred when the plane was traveling at 400 mph
    at about 13,700 feet the evening of July 17. The Boeing 747 broke
    apart, dropped to about 9,000 feet when it erupted into flames
    and fell into the Atlantic about 10 miles off Long Island. All
    230 people aboard were killed and 196 of the bodies have been
    recovered and examined by Wetli’s office [said Dr. Charles Wetli,
    the Suffolk County medical examiner in charge of autopsies],
    including one announced today. “The plane was going at 400 mph,
    it suddenly changes direction, the fuselage is open so all this
    air and pressure is going into the cabin, and there’s a sudden
    decompression,” Wetli said. “All of this combined would render
    almost everyone instantly unconscious.” He likened it to a car
    smashing into a brick wall at 400 mph. “IT’S AN EXTREMELY
    AN INSTANT LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS.” Technically, some victims
    deaths were attributed to drowning, but Wetli said they would
    have been unconscious when they entered the water. […]

    • rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      *** Additionally, MH17 was flying at 33,000 feet; the difference
      of pressure cabin/outside was here IMPORTANT. An explosive cabin
      decompression at 33,000 feet would let burst/pop your alveoli
      [lungs] because of the pressures differences. (This is also a
      dreaded, typically fatal accident that can occur when scuba
      diving, when scuba divers do not expire while resurfacing; scuba
      divers typically breath compressed air through a
      scubapro/dispenser and pressure VARIATIONS are the greatest when
      near the surface. Remember O( seconds ) without oxygenating your
      blood and you faint.)

  9. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:08 pm


    [F]inally, if a missile had been fired from a position close to Snizhne, it is
    likely the citizens of Snizhne would have observed and photographed either the
    missile launch, or the missile emplacement. The fact of the captured Buk’s
    passage east has been well documented. Why are there no images of the rebel
    missile and its impressive launch contrail? Why is it that neither the BBC, nor
    the Telegraph reporters, both of whom undertook extensive surveys of Snizhne,
    and the area south of Snizhne, were unable to locate a single local eyewitness
    to the alleged missile launch events?

    The reason no evidence was found was because the missile that downed MH17 was
    not fired from Snizhne.

    ** END **

  10. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:07 pm


    [L]acking search radar capability, a Buk TELAR deployed at the Telegraph’s
    reported position south of Snizhne would have a maximum radar search radius of
    42 km. Its radar would be unable to see any aircraft beyond this distance. As
    image 16 shows, MH17 was struck by a missile when it was more than 50 km from
    the Telegraph’s Snizhne position. At 33,000 feet, MH17 would not have been
    visible to the naked eye. The aircraft would not have been audible. The
    question which needs to be asked is “How did the rebels manage to identify a
    potential target outside the acquisition range of a Buk TELAR radar, and beyond
    the limits of visual range?” Perhaps the rebels are telepathic. Even if the
    rebels had telepathic powers, the range of the Buk missile is limited to a 35
    km radius. If it was an older system (and much of the Ukrainian equipment is
    old, outdated, and in poor repair) the missile range would have been limited to
    30 km. The damage evident from debris field images does not match the damage
    expected to be caused by a missile impact from directly ahead, or from slightly
    to port.


  11. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:07 pm


    [T]he port wing graze also serves to rule out a missile fired from Mayak [see
    report]. Image 13 [ditto] shows the direction shrapnel would have taken if
    fired from a position on the aircraft beam. Since the missile is designed to
    explode above with the shrapnel blasting down, it is evident that a missile
    interception from the Mayak position would have caused damage to the wing
    surfaces and likely ignited a fireball at altitude. Witness reports indicate
    the plane breaking up in the sky but they do not report a fireball.

    [N]o evidence has been offered to show that the rebels captured a complete Buk
    M1 system. What evidence does exist suggests rebel capture of a single TELAR
    from a Ukrainian military facility in Donetsk. There is no evidence that this
    captured system was in working condition. Most military forces are trained to
    destroy, or disable, equipment about to fall into enemy hands. It is therefore
    highly likely the TELAR captured by the rebels was inoperative. This explains
    why it was immediately moved east rather than being deployed to protect Donetsk
    from air attack. There is no evidence to suggest the rebels acquired a Buk
    search radar unit, or a Buk command post vehicle.


  12. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:06 pm


    [A] mixed load of explosive and incendiary rounds is normally fed in an
    alternating sequence. Any incendiary cannon fire that reached the cockpit area
    would likely have ignited a fire. The video image of the aircraft descent shows
    no sign of fire until after aircraft impact with the ground.

    [A]ircraft cannon normally fire in bursts in order to place a cloud of lead on
    the target and ensure a hit. The damaged port side cockpit fuselage clearly
    shows evidence of multiple impacts. Why is it that the port wing surface shows
    only a single bullet graze?

    ** remark

    The Russian radars tell us also that the Su-25(s) did not come nearer than
    3.5-5km to the 777; when the EFFECTIVE firing range of a 30mm cannon is in the
    order of a couple of km, < 2 km against ground targets, < 1 km against aircraft
    if I am not mistaken. Nota bene that they can also only fire bursts of rounds,
    or they will damage the barrel–which need to cool down.

    *** end remark


  13. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:05 pm


    [T]he purported 30mm cannon holes are larger than would be expected of 30mm
    cannon fire. It is believed that UAF SU25 aircraft carry a mixed load of
    explosive and incendiary rounds. The explosive 30mm rounds would have burst on
    contact and completely disintegrated the fuselage. What is thought to be 30mm
    projectile entrance damage is more likely to be exit damage associated with
    missile shrapnel exiting the airframe after having passed through the cockpit
    area. The larger voids likely represent cockpit equipment that was blown out
    the port side due to the missile blast.

    ** mini digression

    We in the army [sappers, no infantry!, no, we are not the champions of the
    weapons] used also to intersperse tracing ammo in our automatic rifles’
    [formerly SIG, presently Swiss Arms AG assault-] chargers so to have a chance
    to watch were the rounds were going while spraying at a given target during
    major exercises–when spraying with an automatic rifle, the rounds tend to hit
    higher and higher because of the recoil.

    ** end mini-digression


  14. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:04 pm


    ** [My own] mini-digression

    It has been said, *observed* [from what it has been told], that on BOTH sides
    of the cockpit the cannon-like looking holes show inwards indentations…

    Well, thinking…

    [Aviation] aluminum alloys melt at LOW temperatures, say O( 600-700 ) Celsius;
    to get the idea, it’s not easy to solder aluminum [there where it’s even
    feasible for a start, I mean; I already have soldered aluminum a couple of
    times and have had an introduction on metallurgy, JIC]; aluminum instantly
    liquefies extensively/voluminously; e.g. to bend aluminum [done that too], one
    trick was to preheat the given area [to be bent] while repeatedly striking it
    with a stick made of wood until marks [left behind from the woods] became
    visible on the aluminum–so to prevent the trespassing of temperature causing a
    sudden, massive melting [of the aluminum].

    Lift of an aircraft wing in general = 1/3 at the bottom [= overpressure side],
    2/3 at the top [underpressure side] (in others words, the aircraft stays in the
    air because it’s mostly sucked up]

    Similarly, the front of an airplane [cockpit] is there were overpressures are
    high. [Traveling at 900 km/h]

    Combines the twos, sudden melted aluminum [add the temperatures from the
    deformation] + external overpressure [which should offset and be greater of the
    differences pressurized cabin/atmospheric pressure 10,000m].

    ** end mini-digression

  15. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:02 pm


    [B]uk missiles are designed to explode approximately 50 feet from the target
    and from a position slightly above the target. An explosion in this position
    would obliterate the starboard side of the aircraft cockpit (It is doubtful the
    starboard side will ever be found) and the shrapnel would have blasted through
    the cockpit area and exited on the port side. This is consistent with imagery
    obtained from the debris field.

    [I]mage 12 [see report] has been used to support the hypothesis of an aircraft
    firing guns or cannon from the port quarter of MH17. This gunfire is alleged to
    have caused a graze across the top of the wing. This same image has been
    rotated to approximate the course track of MH17 which is displayed in red.
    Additional missile trajectory lines have have been added parallel to the
    original orange graze line.

    [I]t is obvious that this graze across the top of the port wind supports the
    hypothesis of missile shrapnel coming from a position to starboard and ahead of
    the cockpit. Some portion of the missile shrapnel, or part of the
    disintegrating aircraft fuselage, was likely driven back across the top of the
    wing surface and this created the wing damage that is being interpreted as a
    bullet graze.


  16. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:01 pm


    [T]he missile contains a radar transmitter that provides active guidance for
    the final run in to the target. This radar also functions as a proximity fuse.
    It measures the time required for the radar pulse to bounce back from the
    target. When the measured interval equals 50 feet [about 17 m] the missile
    warhead is detonated. The explosive charge, reported to be as powerful as six
    155mm shells, SPRAYS SMALL CUBES OF WHITE HOT SHRAPNEL toward the target. This
    shrapnel penetrates the fuselage, severs control lines, injures, or kills, the
    occupants of the plane, and renders key components unserviceable. If hot
    shrapnel enters a fuel compartment it will likely ignite a fire.

    [I]t must be noted that while the primary radar has a search range of 140 km,
    the radar on each TELAR [Transport Erector Launcher with Acquisition Radars]
    unit only has a range of 42 km. The Buk system was first deployed in 1980 and
    has been upgraded several times since then. The engagement range of the system
    is dependent on the missile that is fielded. The first Buk system used the 938
    missile with a range of 30 km. The missile supplied with the Buk M1 had a
    designation 938M1 and a range of 35 km. The Buk M2 system used an upgraded
    missile 938 with a range of 42 km. The precise capabilities of the Buk system
    fielded by the UAF is not known but it is believed to be either a Buk M1, or


  17. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 8:00 pm


    [T]o engage an aircraft, the missile is aimed in the general direction of the
    target and fired. Each missile contains a radar seeker in its nose cone. The
    radar signal transmitted by the main search radar “paints” the target and is
    reflected back into space. The missile seeker scans the sky for these radar
    returns and navigates an interception course. This is a critical point.

    [T]he same holds true for radar. The missile seeker head searches the airspace,
    looking for radar energy reflected from a target. The missile will have a
    preference for a strong target return as opposed to a weaker one. Larger
    targets will give a stronger return. Most military aircraft are relatively
    small and are designed to minimize the amount of radar energy they reflect. In
    comparison to the diminished returns of a fighter aircraft, a Boeing 777 would
    light up like a blimp.


  18. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm


    [E]ach TELAR carries four ready to launch missiles. The launch signal may be
    relayed from the remote command post, or the launch may be manually triggered
    by an operator in the TELAR. In the early versions of the Buk system the
    Transporter Erector Launcher, or TEL, was not equipped with an acquisition
    radar. The TEL was completely dependent on target information relayed from the
    command post. In a conflict, any adversary would seek to blind the system by
    destroying the primary search radar. This would render the rest of the system
    useless. To avoid this outcome the later versions of the Buk mounted a basic
    acquisition radar on each TEL. These were then renamed as TELARs. This
    secondary radar system is able to locate targets within 42 km of the TELAR. The
    information provided by the secondary radar is significantly less than what the
    primary radar makes available to the command vehicle. The radar scope in the
    TELAR DISPLAYS A CONSTANT SIZE BLIP REGARDLESS if the aircraft is a 777 or a
    Piper Club. NO TRANSPONDER, OR IFF [Identification Friend or Foe] information,
    will be available. The operator selects a radar target, assigns one or more
    missiles to the target, and then fires the missile(s).


  19. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 7:55 pm


    [D]ata from the search and acquisition radar is forwarded to the command
    vehicle. The command vehicle will be situated at a safe distance from the radar
    transmitter as any device emanating electronic signals will quickly become a
    battlefield target. The command vehicle is responsible for target
    identification, friend or foe determination, and the decision to engage. The
    operator in the command vehicle selects of of the targets revealed by radar and
    assigns one or more missiles to intercept the designated target.

    [O]nce the command unit decides to engage, the target information will be
    relayed to one or more remote TELARs. Not all TELARs may be in range of the
    target. Some TELARs may be better positioned for the attack than others. It is
    desirable to avoid firing at a target moving away from the missile launch
    position. Engaging a fleeing aircraft is known as target pursuit and it does
    not result in an optimum firing solution.


  20. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 7:52 pm


    I am convinced by the report, in fact I have abandoned the AAM hypothesis which
    I was following (never have taken the cannon story more than an aside at best
    anyway; nor have given credit to the bomb theory ever).

    Here come some passages [which are MANDATORY to understand MH17]

    The Buk M1 Missile System

    [T]o understand what happened to MH17 we first need to understand the
    capabilities of the Buk M1 surface to air missile system. The keyword here is
    SYSTEM. The Buk consists of a number of independent components which operate in
    unison but which are typically situated at a distance from one another. The
    networked components provide medium range defense against aircraft, cruise, and
    ballistic missiles. The core system components consist of a primary search and
    target acquisition radar, a central command post, and one or more Transport
    Erector Launchers with Acquisition Radars which are known by the acronym

    [T]he primary search radar scans the airspace out to a range of 140 km in each
    direction. MH17 was travelling at 900 km per hour, or 1 km every 4 seconds. At
    this speed, MH17 would transit the area surveyed by the search radar in less
    than 9.5 minutes. The amount of time available for decision making is therefore
    seen to be severely constrained.


  21. rolan  August 6, 2014 at 7:48 pm


    The **VERY** likely truth (involving a SAM eventually) is that MH17 has been
    downed by a Buk missile–and one fired from Kiev controlled territory (as
    anyone able to think was already guessing); meaning that the false flag is 100%
    Anglo-American [includes Israel] conceived hence (so to understand from where
    the cover up strategies origin).

    And forget the 30mm cannon holes BS-*story* (foot-in-the-door hoax).

    There is/was a VERY well made/SOUND 25 pages PDF report, ‘MH17Analysis Parts 1
    and 2.pdf’, whose URL I have got via a post on
    [rumours-news/543733-mh17-down-near-donetsk], report which has been received
    well by some of the most intelligent commentators [e.g., OleOle] on the blog;
    but whose URL has disappeared meanwhile from the site–with the excuse (as
    soundness would come in second place) that it was *anonymous* [no detailed
    sources] and, *worse*!, too much pro self-defense Ukraine/Russia.

    This is the URL
    https //

    Don’t fear, the report states **CLEARLY**

    “This report is based on information publicly available on August 1st 2014.”

    In short, the report adeptly, solidly and convincingly explains WHY a Buk
    missile is the one is the one to take into account with MH17 after all; WHY the
    missile could have been fired from the Kiev controlled area EXCLUSIVELY–and
    from WHERE in particular (very) most likely.


  22. doingood  August 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Not green at least. I like the way you think Mr. Reeves.

  23. Janos von Akart  August 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    In 2000, there are extensive gas reserves discovered off the Gaza coast.

    In Januari of this year the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has embarked on a four-day visit to Moscow to secure a $1 billion deal with Russia to develop the natural gas field off the coast of the Gaza Strip.

    The military invasion of GazaStrip by Israeli Forces is intent upon sabotaging the Palestinian exploitation and finally transferring the ownership of those gas fields, to Israel.

  24. urbanb  August 6, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Great Article!

    Chris Bollyn has an intriguing article [at that shows that a dubious Israeli connected to both MH370 and its TelAviv copy, has made money out of selling MH17 photos to media, [photos taken just a few days before its crash].

    you couldn’t make this kinda stuff up….

    • urbanb  August 6, 2014 at 9:57 am

      “The information that I have put together in the past few days indicates that Yaron Mofaz, the person who took the last photo of MH17 before it was shot down, is the director of a company that works with the Florida-based company that owns the Israeli twin of the missing Malaysia Airlines planes. As I told Yossi Mofaz, what a small world.
      Yossi Mofaz warned me that I should not write anything about his company or the company in Ireland.”

    • urbanb  August 6, 2014 at 10:07 am

      Same photo that VT and almost every other newsoutlet are using
      by Yaron Mossad, sorry I mean Yaron Mofaz

  25. jmreeves  August 6, 2014 at 9:21 am

    It occurs to me
    Remember Ronnie Raygun and his fantasy about an outside threat uniting humanity?
    Well, this thing is converging, and people all over the world are becoming more aware
    of rackets, and the necessity to put them out of our misery before they destroy the place.
    These Bastards have (I hope) brought to life Ronnies Dream (albeit with no little green men that I know of
    We are becoming united in the face of a shared threat to our existence in general.
    Not everyone is attending, and I may be too optimistic,
    but our communications is worlds ahead of late,
    and it turns out we are all just People.
    Fancy That.


  26. synchrOM  August 6, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Thanks again,Gordon, where is the black box information??? Kiev dropping 1000 pound bombs near crash site ??? And WZ still pulling this chit.
    http //

  27. ptwang  August 6, 2014 at 8:42 am

    Israel was my first thought after Malaysia found them guilty of genocide back in November.

    • jmreeves  August 6, 2014 at 8:47 am

      We (or at least I) get so busy I overlook the obvious,
      for example, how many remember that Chernobyl is in Ukraine?
      (real confidence builder that one)
      anyway, thank you and all who remind me of bits I overlooked,
      between us we produce fair dinkum open source intel, which can’t have a child proof cap.


  28. jmreeves  August 6, 2014 at 8:39 am

    @Mr. Camera (above in facebook login section)
    I concur, and let’s have done with Dual Citizens serving as Officers of any sort.


    • synchrOM  August 6, 2014 at 9:14 am

      This is illegal and needs stopped, here is a list.
      http //

  29. jmreeves  August 6, 2014 at 8:28 am

    Thanks Mr. Duff et al
    At some point we will see the poop headed for the air circulator.
    At that point at least duck, and better still be out of direct line,
    (around a partition or wall or such) in case it spatters!
    Please direct your attention to the exits to your left and right.
    your seat cushion floats (you we are are not too sure about)


  30. guitargirl  August 6, 2014 at 8:26 am

    I refuse to anticipate the next horrific holocaust
    on innocents, Uncle Duff!

    Convinced that the metaphysical warriors among
    us can prevent this! While you guys simultaneously
    working in the background to prevent this as well.

    This hell on earth needs to stop!


  31. Janos von Akart  August 6, 2014 at 8:24 am

    The Jeruzalem Post cites the accusations of Shin Bet

  32. Janos von Akart  August 6, 2014 at 8:16 am

    As for targeting Malaysia recently the Israeli Security Agency Shin Bet accused Malaysia of training members of a Hamas cell. As they say they were trained in powered parachute attacks, tunnel warfare, as well as in how to kidnap a soldier, setting up anti-tank missile ambushes and sniper attacks on IDF ground forces. Is this reason enough to bring down two airliners with all aboard?
    I wonder what the Dutch did.

    The Jeruzalem Post cites the accusations of Shin Bet
    http //

  33. Bad Cannstatt  August 6, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Veteran’s Today has posted serveral articles outlining a frustration and confusion with Israel and Gaza and the Ukrainian and Russian interfaces. A “Perfect Storm” is gathering in the old Ukrainian breadbasket of middle Europe.

    The West may not have overall support in the Ukraine and Europe. One analysis has predicted NATO would balk and fail should a confrontation with Russia occur, said failure being attributed to an unwillingness on Europeans to engage Russian forces on the ground.

    This ageless confrontation and competition between The Great Powers of Europe has been going on for quite sometime. The end of WWII to the present is only one generation’s life span. The destruction was unprecedented in Europe and a rebuild and unification was undertaken. A “Final Blackout” in Europe cannot be justified.

    If Russia should succeed under Putin’s leadership as the coalition forces did in Gulf War I against Iraq, China may push for Taiwan and seek its territorial claims. No matter what happens the USA will demographically and economically contract into a collection of Ethnostates held within a North American Union.

    Listen to Gordon Duff’s interview on Red Ice Radio with Henik Palmgren; avaiable on YouTube.

    • guitargirl  August 6, 2014 at 8:37 am

      Thanks for letting us know!

      When Uncle Duff speaks,
      we need to listen, here is the link

      http //


  34. splitter  August 6, 2014 at 7:46 am

    Some say lowering MH 17 (seventeen) to 33 000 feet (thirty three) is a signature…

  35. Simpleton  August 6, 2014 at 7:45 am

    There are only two possibilities – it was an accidental shoot down OR it was deliberate. It was not an accident and the ONLY people who kill with this kind of impunity are the false flagers. QED.

  36. wolf  August 6, 2014 at 7:23 am

    Cutting edge analysis. Well done Gordon.

  37. Joseph BlogIt  August 6, 2014 at 6:11 am

    Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was hit by –

    “… very very strong machine-gun fire,” – Michael Bociurkiw, a Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), has seen up close at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.

    Source http //

    Onsite Recovery and Investigation.

    “… we found the people, the separatists that are there to be professional and co-operative and essentially helpful to our purposes of moving – removing remains, and perhaps later on removing some of the pieces of wreckage.” – Australian Air Chief Marshal Allan Grant “Angus” Houston (The Australian ‘Prime Minister’s special envoy overseeing events on the ground in Ukraine. He has been working around the clock, negotiating with government and opposition forces in an effort to get in and lead the recovery operation.’)

    (Only one link per post, please)

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