NEO – Mini Nukes and M16: The Economy of War


"Yep...Then dare Mini- nukes er just a conspiracy theory"

“Yep…dem dare Mini- nukes er just a conspiracy theory… Yep, just pure baloney.”

Mini Nukes and M16:  The Economy of War

… by  Gordon Duff,  VT Sr. Editor    … with  New Eastern Outlook,  Moscow


[ Editor’s note:  This has been on the shelf for a bit as world events have pushed it into the background.  Here is what we are doing; we are flexing our “nuclear muscles.”  The material discussed here, and this is the unredated portion of a VT staff discussion, is still some of the highest classified material ever leaked to the public. 

Thus, when we get into absurd dialogs with various half-baked “sniffer” types, by our estimation “tasked” with burning up our time as “they” exist for no other purpose than to prevent broad efforts at delegitimization, we simply demonstrate the level they have to attain.

Thus far, they fail miserably.  You see, “Nuclear 9/11” is a proven fact, long an official finding of the US government and, over the past months, re-proven with dialogs such as this.  Enjoy this for what it is, a rare opportunity to sit at the big kid’s table. ]


The discussion below is a rare glimpse into the world of modern warfare and weapons design. The participants are the author and one or more members of America’s advanced weapon research facilities. We begin our discussion examining potential elements used to replace plutonium in both reactors and weapons as well.

Below is the unclassified part of a discussion covering subjects that may well define not only warfare but human survival as well as seen from inside the advanced weapons research community.


Q: Shouldn’t we be replacing Plutonium in our weapons and fuel programs now that America’s production capability is declining?


155mm nuclear munition

155mm nuclear munition

 A: We have so much PU already in storage. Why break something that is not broke? This is the same argument that the Thorium people are claiming.

Yes Thorium will work in a reactor but why. Its efficiency is too low. You still need uranium to get it started, just less. Neptunium will work but why?

It takes at least twice as much and production rates would be one tenth as much. Why build a new breeder reactor just to make more radioactive fuel and waste when we have over 100 tons of PU already made and in storage.

The other issue is testing. NO new weapons can be made or tested. End of story, PU works and it is cheaper. This is just another physics test.

Q: America is losing its capability of maintaining the “big bomb” inventory that is the basis of the START agreements from back in 1991.

A: Nuclear criticality designs up until now have all been based on these big bomb concepts. Today it’s the micro nuke. How small can you make it? 911 was the demo for what small nukes can do. The clock cannot be reset. This was called a fizzle back in the 1950′s and 60′s but a fizzle still goes bang. It is just a much smaller bang. So they ignored it. Today the war fighting doctrine has changed.

Q: How does this fit into our smaller military concept?

A: We are out of troops and a jet fighter costs 65 million dollars each. So the emphasis is on drones, cruise missiles and robots to do the fighting for you. A 3 kiloton nuke weighing 100 lbs. replaces 20 B-52 bombers. Do the math, which one is cheaper? And the PU is paid for, it’s free. We don’t have to make it we already have it in stock.

Micro nukes can be mass produced fast and cheap when needed. Just assemble and test. Cruise missiles weighing less than 1,000 lbs., not 4,000 lbs. Any plane can drop one. Even a Cessna 150 can be turned into a drone. Mortars and tanks can shoot the rounds. Man-pad / RPG micro nukes are just around the corner. Nuclear tipped hand grenades and 36 mm rounds are next.

Q: What kind of small nuclear weapons are in the pipeline?

A: Even a blob of PU-239 the size of a quarter (250 grams) will go bang if compress properly and adequate neutron reflection is used in the design. That’s enough PU to make a minimum 25 plus ton bang. Remember even if the fizzle rate is equal to 1 kilogram of PU, it makes a 1 kiloton bang. So 1gram of PU is equal to 1 ton of TNT.

Q: What can you tell us about working in these micro nuke programs?

A: Even at Sandia the biggest fear is PU Flakes going off by accident during machining of PU-239. If it is improperly compressed; it will make a very small explosion. If you fill a glass vile with PU-239 oxide flakes add some acid and compress it properly you will get a small nuclear chain reaction in the single ton range.

It is called a nuclear Co-hearer, Detonator, Trigger or “Red Mercury.” Put that into a 40mm grenade launcher and it will drop a small building or take out any bunker ETC. PU in a liquid state is more dangerous than in a solid state. It only takes 480 grams of PU in a liquid state to form a critical mass.

Q: We have a lot of conflicting information about “critical mass” in the design and operation of “after 2nd generation” weapons. What can you tell us?

A: Critical mass is bases on surface area, density and compression size of the PU. This effects how efficient the neutron reproduction process will be. If it is too small you lose too many neutrons. But with a proper neutron reflector that problem can be eliminated. The only problem is in how small you can physically compress the PU and how well.

Q: In earlier discussion we went over why W54 warheads were used for 9/11 and how oblong pits had been remachined. How critical is shape and design of pits?

A: They do not have to be perfectly spherical in order to go off. That only effects efficiency of the design. It will still detonate. Before 2000 this was called a fizzle design. Today it is called a micro nuke.

Q: What are the current applications for these technologies?

A: Before 911 nobody wanted it, just like the Neutron bomb. Today after Iraq and Afghanistan it is all the rage. Every battle field commander wants them. It is the perfect force multiplier. If we had that in WW2 the losses that we suffered at Normandy, Iwo Jima and Tarawa would never had happened.

Q: What will these weapons look like in the future?

A: Plastic injected molded mass produce missiles, mortars and drones that are tipped with micro nukes will be all of the rage in the next major conflict. This makes everything big obsolete. 1980′s era Tanks, Artillery, bombers and ships are all just junk waiting to be scraped, blown up or sunk.

Q: Based on what you are saying, the US has made irreversible strategic blunders in defense planning.

A: Thanks to Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, we are now stuck with 1980′s technology based weapons that no longer work as designed. They are cold war era weapons systems designed to fight cold war era weapons. Those days are over. The B-52 can’t get thru. SAM’s have to be mobile. Fire finder radar finds artillery so it has to shoot and scoot. An RPG can take out any tank now.

Nobody wants to lose a battleship or the Kaiser will be upset, just like in WW1. You could not afford to lose it because it cost too much. The B-1, the F-22, the F-35, the M1 Abrams tank, the 155 self-propelled howitzer, the Trident sub and the super-carrier are the classic examples of this kind of thinking. Big everything equals big profit for Boeing ETC.

Q: How did America let itself be outmaneuvered like this?

A: While we have been living off 1980′s Space Shuttle technology the world caught up. Now the Space Shuttle is scrap and we have nothing to replace it with, why? The microchip replaced the typewriter and internal guidance systems and the laser replace the M-16 and dumb artillery. Saddam lost because he bought the wrong weapons systems.

We lost Vietnam and Korea for the same reasons. The two biggest feared weapons of WW2 were the German MG-42 machine gun and the German 88 mm howitzer, not the Tiger tank or the Me-262. Those two weapons killed more men than any other weapons system. With the Jap’s it was the 40 mm tree mortar. In Korea it was the Chinese 82mm mortars that did us in.

In Vietnam it was cheap rockets, booby traps and ambushes. In Iraqi it was the IED. In WW1 it was the Maxim machine gun. Technology changes with time and we are stuck in a 1980′s mentality. Everybody else just simply watched us, studied our systems and tactics, then they simply bypassed us.

Q: What should a nation with too much heavy hardware do?

A: Look at the Germans and the French today, they are dumping all of their heavy tanks, artillery and jets for smaller, lighter, cheaper and meaner weapons systems that are new. We are still stuck with weapons designs from the 1980′s. Nobody goes to war using Enfield rifles or M-1 Garand’s any more. The bull-pup is all the rage.

The m-16 is so 1960′s and the AK is so 1950′s… We need new weapons to fit the modern battlefield and not more 1980′s junk. The F-22 and F-35 were technology demonstrations that failed. Scrap them now. The B-58 supersonic bomber, the B-2 stealth bomber and the F-117 stealth attack bomber; Well they only worked for a short period of time then they became obsolete. How much did we waste on them? Why? Who profited?

Now we have junk Trident subs with no replacement warheads that work. Why? We had to withdrawal the M-1 tank due to improvements in RPG technology. The F-22 was assigned to national guard units, just like the F-102 was. Why? Because it doesn’t work. Just replace them with a stealth version of the F-16 and the F-18; they work. This is what Japan and South Korea are doing.  You just make a stealth version of the F-5 / F-20 in both the manned and un-manned (Drone) versions. Cheap effective and affordable.


Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War that has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades and consulted with governments challenged by security issues. He’s a senior editor and chairman of the board of Veterans Today, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.


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24 Responses to "NEO – Mini Nukes and M16: The Economy of War"

  1. jmreeves  August 18, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    Also have Maxi-Nukes (Fukushima is the poster child, lottsa runnerups)
    It will be a miracle if they have not already destroyed some substantial part of life on earth
    If only this was just over the top rant, sorry, we all know better by now. (or do you?
    It has already fallen into the ‘wrong hands’ so to speak.
    Please suffer me a bold proposition as food for thought,
    We might quit trying to kill each other, and then maybe other parties would help,
    avoid a lot of dead people.
    If we do not learn to Play Nice we are Dead Meat, Clear Enough?
    Did I leave the tracks, or is potential practical extinction,
    or is a scene out of Wizards (movie about nuclear annihilation) all too possible.
    It need not be all at once and spectacular, might be slow and sneaky, insidious springs to mind.
    And so I mentioned.
    Might want to behave, be kind, and pray to the entity(s) of your choice.
    From what I can see these guys (Fukushima) have set a new record in messes.
    View from a distance, might be wrong, best effort.


    • jmreeves  August 19, 2014 at 5:01 am

      Reason to Believe this goes all the way to Australia!
      (and that is some distance, not important, a bunch of rascals anyway.
      Anyway, in that Australia is at the other end of the Planet,
      That is a whole lot of people who seem to be catching on.
      Maybe I can get some sleep anyway!
      Not Your Problem, Lord Knows you have other concerns.
      Best to All, I still think this could get interesting.


  2. Worker Bee  August 17, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    “If you fill a glass vile with PU-239 oxide flakes add some acid and compress it properly you will get a small nuclear chain reaction in the single ton range.”

    This may be morally vile, but filling a glass vial would be more effective.

    • jmreeves  August 18, 2014 at 8:22 pm


      (thx I needed that! God for some relief from the madness)


  3. Mike Kay  August 15, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    Mr. Duff,
    I for one would like to be privy to the rest of the conversation.
    I’m a little perplexed at exactly how drones and robots are going to replace soldiers, but where this leads me is awfully disturbing. I imagine this assumes that an operational level of communication might not be there in the scenarios discussed, and thus, a certain amount of autonomy for the robot/drone. Here is your science fiction scenario of machines vs. humans, and the machines have nukes. If I get the drift here, the idea is that nuking everything and anything is some kind of wet dream for the war gamers, a pretty myopic perspective if there ever was one.
    Ultimately, what they are referring to is an end to a traditional military, and the dawn of a road warrior mentality, where war is no longer the clash of armies, but a true struggle for survival.
    We are looking at scenarios where chaos is the predominant perspective, and military victory no longer carries with it the dominance of territory, but the extermination of it.
    I hope people understand exactly how friggin nuts this is, and how terminally cracked people have to be to make this image a reality.

  4. Bradley James  August 15, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    I hear there is a big reward to be had by the man or women who can nuke the 3 city states in the same 5 minutes. I bet on Putin. Bye Bye ZioNazi.

  5. Jack Heart  August 15, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    As Led Zeppelin once said “lots of people talking but few of them know.” Gordon Duff is like a Japanese truck; Hino!

    So much for the corporate method of waging war, as Jonathan Glassel just pointed out in the Facebook comments you see how well it worked out in Iraq. In the end its going to boil down to who wants it more, the same as all martial conflicts have since time began. This is all madness of course and it can end here and now but it will take hard men to do that, men who are hard enough to carve their will into the face of time.

    • Worker Bee  August 17, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      “Gordon Duff is like a Japanese truck; Hino!”

      Toyota War between Chad and Libya a quarter-century ago? We are slow learners, indeed.

  6. JohninMK  August 15, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Very thought provoking. Couple of questions

    1. Are the Russians/Chinese onto this as well?

    2. Given the effect on contaminated humans since 9/11, what is the effect on our own troops fighting through after such a target demolition? Is there protective gear?

    • Gordon Duff  August 15, 2014 at 6:59 pm

      we have troops with nuclear cancers from Iraq…and possibly Afghanistan

      it is key to wait 72 hours when “clean weapons” are used

      in Fallujah, however, we used at least one very dirty nuke

    • JohninMK  August 16, 2014 at 10:35 am

      Thanks Gordon.

      And Russia/China?

      Also I assume that many people associate a nuclear explosion with a mushroom cloud. Is this wrong with a mini nuke?

  7. Bad Cannstatt  August 15, 2014 at 8:14 am

    …we are now stuck with 1980’s technology based weapons that no longer work as designed. They are cold war era weapons systems designed to fight cold war era weapons…Technology changes with time and we are stuck in a 1980’s mentality….and so on.

    Circa 1981, the Iranian-hostage-based election of Ronald Reagan was a major turning point in the business of America. Computers were introduced into industry as accounting, parts, and inventory machines; there was an abdication of American expertise and ingenuity for Japanese management and organizational systems; middle management engineers and project managers were downsized as upper management went after the big money programs; manufacturing and production began to be based on Japanese miniaturization and computerized robotics; austerity was viewed as a cost-effective strategy for cutting out the middle and quality control suffered dramatically; American labor promoted unrealistic union demands in contradistinction to the unfavorable goals of upper management; all the while inflating Reaganomics and business systems with “Big Budget” and “Big Design” escalations; hence, the roaring eighties and nineties.

    Innovation in design and build followed the light-weight fly-weight path of German WWII Missile and Radome technologies incorporating Space Age PVC, fiberglass, Kevlar, and composite designs. Lightening loads was a prerequisite for transporting knockdown and subassembly products overseas for assembly in Mexico and America.

  8. LightSaber  August 15, 2014 at 6:41 am

    What would happen to the US if couple of nukes hit the Yellowstone volcano’s caldera? Some say 1/3 of the country uninhabitable for 3-7 years…

    • LightSaber  August 15, 2014 at 6:42 am

      The context Russians flying research missions frequently over the area.

  9. LightSaber  August 15, 2014 at 6:36 am

    Not sure if posted this before. It has recently occurred to me that the target for the “next 9/11” most probably is Chicago. Why 1) Rahm Emanuel and the gang rules there 2) Obama’s constituency and home ground 3) high rises like Sears Tower 4) not as obvious as LA, DC or NYC 5) financial, trading, shipping and immigration hub…

    • LightSaber  August 16, 2014 at 8:05 am

      If somebody wanted to push Poland towards otherwise suicidal war against Russia targeting the Polish diaspora in Chicago could do the trick. NATO’s plans for Poland assume turning it into a wasteland in case of war anyway.

  10. Cold Wind  August 15, 2014 at 3:13 am

    I suppose the radiological consequences for the species of the ‘new and improved’ weapons systems have been fully assessed, factored in, and dismissed as irrelevant to meeting battlefield objectives? Why are we not all appalled?

    • stevengaylord  August 16, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      I was appalled after I had realized that the WTC was nuked – that is after Jeff Prager had sent me his first draft. So imagine, a standing President nuking his own country – his own people! That to me, I would consider a “crime of the century.”

  11. urbanb  August 15, 2014 at 2:17 am

    A non superpower would have another perspective. Biggest potential is in non-PU devices, since non-PU is not that regulated, expensive (when stockpile is up), and dangerous to handle.

    A boron based nuclear device gives no radioactivity

    Pure fusion devices are very clean

    Nuclear isomer devices are not even classified as nuclear by any standard but have the same yield ( a silver bomb anyone…)

    A cake of alternating layers of depleted uranium and fusion fuel can be designed to have no minimal critical size.

    The lithium based concepts are very cheap (pure fusion)

    huge numbers of neutrons can be generated “electronically” aka neuristors in massive wafer designs which gives huge freedom in design and base materials

    The Neptunium device requires a desk-sized lab

    There are rumors of anti-matter devices where the yield goes completely through the roof (1g = several Megatons) , but I’m skeptical. In the end they will be there though…

    • urbanb  August 15, 2014 at 3:00 am

      An amateur in Australia has shown that he can build a long range advanced cruse-missile for 10.000 dollar.
      With cheap nuke warheads you might exchange one fighter jet for 1000 advanced cruse-missiles.
      Send them of at once and…
      …no anti-missile system could handle a barrage of that size…

  12. Mopar21277  August 14, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    Wow, stunning stuff Dr. Duff; just like in the wonderful movie “13 Days” about the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFK and team referenced “The Guns of August” many times, about the old ways of thinking about warfare, thinking that you were so much smarter than the enemy and the world had passed you by.

    Interestingly enough, in the world of Micro-combat, the IED and simple stuff defeated 60s and 80s tech.

  13. mijj  August 14, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    until control of national weapons is wrested from the treasonous, self-serving nutcases who usurp law and democracy, it might be better if the weapons were ineffectual.

  14. JHolland  August 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Excellent Stuff. It’s always a pleasure to read material from someone who is aware of military history and can apply its lessons to the present.

    Of course, a question that needs to be asked and hopefully answered is “Who is leading the move towards mass produced micro nukes and have field tests started?”

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