The True Story Behind “Interstellar”

The scandals began right in the beginning
The scandals began right in the beginning
NASA Partner?
NASA Partner?

“This early type of magnetic buoyancy system

works in the vacuum of outer space by displacing the

magnetic field lines producing magnetic buoyancy

or an anti-gravity effect.”

… by Jeff Smith, VT Science Editor


First published September 17, 2014

Clinton Bastin
Clinton Bastin

In the August 2014 issue of Nexus Magazine there is an article entitled “NASA unable to recreate Apollo Technologies.”

To quote the late Clinton Bastion, VT editor and nuclear weapons designer for the US Department of Energy:

“All chemical companies who managed and all government chemical engineers who directed programs for the production of nuclear materials and components have left the US government.

It has lost the ability to produce most nuclear materials and components for weapons and assess the ability of other nations to do so.” ( This also includes NASA, JPL, Sandia, Los Alamos etc.)

This is how modern technology is lost.

The Apollo space program and the nuclear weapons field are the prime examples. We can no longer pour piss out of a bottle without getting wet. Boy are we in trouble, who is going to defend us against Marvin the Martian when he shows up? Cartmann on South Park?

I’d like to see that one, South Park VS Marvin the Martian. Poor Kenny I wonder what evil things that the Queen of Mars is going to do to him? Inquisitive minds would really like to know.

Cartoon reality strikes
Cartoon reality strikes

In getting back to reality vs back to the future…been there, done that one, and got the T-shirt. NASA has a really big problem. Apparently Star Trek the Next Generation ie., NASA, has forgotten how to build Space Ships that really work.

Gee wiz, I wonder why? In designing the next generation replacement for the Space Shuttle that was basically created by Walter Dornberger, first at Bell with the X-15 and then at North American and Rockwell, the prime contractor, they lost grandma’s secret recipe for yummy apple pie.

After spending billions of dollars on the Orion Space ship it is a turkey. It can’t go to the moon do its job and get back safely. Problems with Cavitation in the fuel tanks, heat shields that don’t work, metallurgy in the F-11 engines and gravity well problems on the moon preventing the LIM from taking off because it’s “too heavy”.

Why? How could this be? Did all of those very fine WW2 era German scientists that gave the world all of this technology just simply say screw it after the US revoked their citizenship at the end of Apollo program for being bad Germans during WW2? To quote the late Sergeant Schultz in the move Stalag 13. “I Know Nothing”. (Hogan’s Heroes. also.)

When a good German soldier is in trouble during WW2 it was best to not know anything. Dead men tell no tales or in this case pass on to their apprentices all of there dirty little secrets. To quote Dr. Von Braun, “This is why I am sticking to a propulsion system that I understand because it works.” So this is why Orion is a flop.

To quote Gorbachev. “We spoon feed the world communism just so they could spit it back up in our faces”. Maybe the world just didn’t like it or maybe the German rocket scientists just simply shut up because they got screwed by the US government in the end. It’s called Blow back that’s when a shot gun backfires in you face.

55The answer to the problem is simple. The current generation of so called rocket scientist don’t know how to go to the library and read old books. They think that anything that predates them is old hat and of no value.

They would rather watch Ancient Aliens on TV and trust Wikipedia than to figure it out for themselves. How wrong could they be? Learn how to use a slide ruler, it works.

Every piece of modern technology from the atom bomb to the Space shuttle was designed using a slide ruler and before that the Abacus. “Analog Rules Baby”.

If the wise guys at NASA would bother to just read the works of Walter Dongberger, Von Braun and Larry Bell then they would know how to make a better space ship that works. The most important papers are entitled:

“The inter office memos and field reports of Walter Dornberger and Larry Bell. Bell Aircraft corp. NY. From 1948 to 1965. The NACA Weight Loss Reduction Program”. Classified Secret, Q clearance required, library copy only, do not distribute, for inter office use only. The Atomic Energy Agency / DOE.

How do you spell “Secret Anti-Gravity Program”. Its called “The Special Committee on Space Technology”. I guess that Bob Lazar and Art Bell missed that one. Maybe Dr. Jones and S. Greer at A&E911 can explain it for us. Sure Fairy Dust Did It.

NACA chairmen

Members of The “Special Committee on Space Technology”.

As of their meeting on, 26 May 1958.

Committee member Title
Edward R. Sharp Director of the Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory
Colonel Norman C Appold Assistant to the Deputy Commander for Weapons Systems, Air Research and Development Command: US Air Force
Abraham Hyatt Research and Analysis Officer Bureau of Aeronautics, Department of the Navy
Hendrik Wade Bode Director of Research Physical Sciences, Bell Telephone Laboratories
W Randolph Lovelace II Lovelace Foundation for Medication Education and Research
S. K Hoffman General Manager, Rocketdyne Division, North American Aviation
Milton U Clauser Director, Aeronautical Research Laboratory, The Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation
H. Julian Allen Chief, High Speed Flight Research, NACA Ames
Robert R. Gilruth Assistant Director, NACA Langley
J. R. Dempsey Manager. Convair-Astronautics (Division of General Dynamics)
Carl B. Palmer Secretary to Committee, NACA Headquarters
H. Guyford Stever Chairman, Associate Dean of Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Hugh L. Dryden (ex officio), Director, NACA
Dale R. Corson Department of Physics, Cornell University
Abe Silverstein Associate Director, NACA Lewis
Wernher von Braun Director, Development Operations Division, Army Ballistic Missile Agency

To quote Sergeant Friday “Just The Facts Mamm”. Lets see. According to Dornberger, Von Braun and Larry Bell this is how they solved the problems with Apollo. IE the dirty little secrets that they kept from us, Sorry I mean NASA.

66It’s called Thorium technology and Magnetic Buoyancy Technology.

The stuff that UFO’s are made of. When Thorium is used as a coating on rocket motors or heat shields it does three things:

1. On Rocket motors it increases thrust massively. This was done on the second stage rocket motors on Apollo, giving a massive increase in lift. Due to toxicity it could not be use on the first stage F-11 motors. Dornberger knew this from his WW2 V-2 Days. The Germans used thorium on everything because they knew how it worked. This was one of the V-2 secrets.

When Dornberger and VonBraun demonstrated it to the Army Air Corps in 1948 on a recovered German V-2 rocket at White Sands; after it went off range and could not be found for weeks. VonBraun was reported to have said to the brass, “I told you so and you did not believe me.” The Special committee on Space Technology response was “We Believe you now.” Was this Roswell?

2. They coated the Apollo heat shield with it. The increased ionization level gave added “Magnetic Buoyancy” to the spacecraft reducing the re-entry velocity by as much as half from over 2,000 MPH to less than 1,000 MPH. A ll Nuclear weapon reentry vehicles have this thorium technology imbedded into their re-entry systems. Unfortunately, the last re-entry space shield was made at the Bendix Kansas City plant back in 1995.

Since then they seemed to have lost the secret formula for making new ones. Oh No! They lost grandma’s secret recipe for making yummy apple pie! Or was that the British code name for Tube Alloy metal during WW2? I digress. Dornberger first tested this system on the X-15 while at Bell. That was the real reason for the X-15 program. Today it is used on the hypersonic spy drones and other low earth orbiting aircraft.

3. During deceleration of the main Saturn 5 rocket body the liquid fuel in the fuel tanks would undergo severe hydrodynamic cavitation. This was the equivalent of shaking up a really big bottle of Root Beer! If you shake it too much it goes bang. How did they solve the problem?

A. They used one of Dornberger’s tricks from his V-2 days. They just pressurized the fuel tanks with Helium instead of using the usual nitrogen charging system. Helium being diamagnetic simply neutralized the gravitational effects of acceleration and vibration in the fuel tanks by means of magnetic field line displacement. Just like in a helium balloon, ie., they used magnetic buoyancy to solve the problem.

B. Placed at the very top of the Saturn 5 rocket was the command module escape system. This pointy thing at the top also served as an electrostatic and aerodynamic air spike. Its purpose was to create a vacuum bubble around the spacecraft in order to induce a slip stream effect and reduce cavitation.

This was done both aerodynamically and by the use of one of “Dornberger’s Gadgets” called an electrostatic air frame charging system. (think B-2) It would only work above 30,000 feet, below that the ion density of the air was too great in order to get a large enough air frame charge to be effective.

C. The Lunar Landing module and Gravity wells.
In order to reduce weight on the lunar LIM it was fitted with only a 500lb kick motor that lasted for a maximum of 30 seconds. Due to weight constraints this was the biggest motor that they could put on the LIM but the problem was that on the earth it weighed in at over 3,000 lbs. So how do you get a 3,000 lb spacecraft off of the lunar surface with only a 500 lb kick motor that lasts only for 30 seconds?


The answer was in the so called micro meteorite shields. This was another VonBraun, Dornberger invention left over from the V-2 Program at White Sands. They knew that if you charged the outer skin of a spacecraft up to a very high electrical potential in a total vacuum that it lost weight. They could use this system on the moon but not on the earth.

So by hiding it in plain sight by designing its power supply as the main attitude gyro and placing it directly on top of the rocket kick motor and attaching the wires to the micrometeorite panels it formed a really big capacitor. Just like in those toy electrostatic lifters that you see on YouTube. The only difference is that it was a lot bigger.

It was called “Dornbergers Gadget” This early type of magnetic buoyancy system works in the vacuum of outer space by displacing the magnetic field lines producing magnetic buoyancy or an anti-gravity effect. Back then it was called a weight loss system because it only could cancel 5/6ths of the LIM’s weight. That left about 500lb of weight to deal with. Just enough for the lim’s rocket motor to handle.

Before lift off, the term used was “go warm the LIM up”. It took almost three minutes to charge up the LIM and when the amp meter registered zero on the instrument panel they were good to go. If it failed they were “Lost in Space” or “Danger Will Robinson” as Robby the Robot would say.

D. Gravity wells.

The last problem is called “Lunar Gravity wells” or lunar magnetic anomalies. The LIM had to be fitted with a very sensitive Magnetometer that set off an alarm during landing due to lunar magnetic anomalies called gravity wells. Gravity wells are due to the impact craters being highly magnetic from meteorite impacts. If the LIM got to close it would be sucked into one of these gravity wells and crash. This was a very big concern and during one Apollo landing it almost happened.



Bob Lazar’s area 51 UFO story. Is it true?

Bob worked at Sandia National labs from 1982 to 1987 as a lab tech. After that with help from Dr. Teller he got a low level technical job at Area 51. While at Sandia Bob also worked with Dr. Steven Jones on cold fusion and the head of A&E911 founder Mr. Greer? who was then head of P.R. at Sandia. Greer and Bob then went on to also work together at Area-51 and they both knew Art Bell, ie., the “UFO connection”.

Hint Hint… While at Area-51 Bob suffered from “heat stroke” and claimed to have seen some back engineered UFO’s., the so called American UFO fleet stationed at Area 51. Even though we do not question Bob’s version of events (reality) it does have some very important facts that parallel actual anti-gravity theory based on the magnet buoyancy theory of gravity.

Bob claimed that the spacecraft were made of a type of injection molded plastic with almost no metal parts except for the propulsion system and a unusual metal coating on the outside of the spacecraft. Well he was really close on that one and he gets a “B” on his final “polygraph exam”. The coating was a form of Thorium just like they used on the Apollo heat shield for reentry, in the engines and on nuclear weapon re entry nose cones.

By using a central Neutron generator made from element-115 (if you can make it.)and by the way it is perfect for this purpose, the function of the central neutron generator is to create a three point bang bang steering and thruster system in order to move the spacecraft around.

The function of the external thorium coating on the spacecraft is to act as a heat shield on re-entry and when excited by an external neutron generator it throws off massive amounts of radiation that pushes back the magnetic field lines of the UFO creating artificial magnetic buoyancy around the spacecraft. This is called an “Einstein gravity well’ or an artificial worm hole and his theories confirm it.

So if Einstein says it’s so who can question it. When the spacecraft is at zero buoyancy a neutron thruster can easily accelerate the spacecraft up to mac 3 and faster almost instantaneously with no G forces to deal with. However due to neutron radiation the old testament and the Torah tell us that Moses got sick and died from radiation poisoning after talking to Captain Kirk, sorry I mean God.

This is why the ground under UFO landing sights is always sterile. Its called Neutron radiation. The is how those tiny little probes use this to make all of those funny looking crop circles in the UK. Just ask Dr Who? and the British Wormwood society.


Ball lightning and Egyptian Lime Lite.


Lime light is a form of thermal lighting using hot quick lime as the light source. The use of this dates back to Egyptian times and they actually used it in making the Pharaoh’stombs. The Romans used it in ore mining in Europe dating back to the BC period. The ancient light houses also used it. It was called light house gasses.

The Romans and the Greeks even used it as a naval weapon and called it Greek or Roman fire. The Germans used it in WW2 in their Fu fighter program and the Brits used it to defeat the French navy. During the civil war the US navy used it in their cannons. Thus coined the term “Great Balls Of fire”…by Jerry Lee Lewis.

When quick lime is heated to a very high temperature by hot coals, tar, pitch or by being fired out of a cannon it luminescence’s, ie., it lights up like a really big light bulb. This is how the Egyptians made the tombs without leaving any soot behind. They used simple coal fired quick lime from a cement lime kiln.

The Egyptians were very big in cement technology half of the monuments in Egypt, Greece and Rome are made from cement and not stone. If you are going to build the Hoover dam and you have cement technology which one would you use? Simple cement or stone carving with copper tools. You decide. Soon to be a future episode on next seasons Ancient Aliens program. After all the History Channel would never lie. Would they?


Ball Lightning

During a thunderstorm, ball lightning is created when a very high intensity lightning bolt strikes a lime stone outcropping. The resulting lightning flash known as a plasma strike will immediately blast away small chunks of lime stone. The lime stone will be vaporized into quick lime dust and highly ionized. Due to the intense temperature of the limestone fire ball it will light up and levitate due to magnetic buoyancy.

This is the key as to how it works. Magnetic buoyancy is created in severe thunder storms and tornado’s. It has been mainly an unknown phenomena for decades. New research at the Severe Storm Research Center in Norman, Oklahoma is starting to prove this theory to be true.

This is why tornado’s like trailer parks and can toss tractor trailer rigs around like a kids toy. Buoyancy is not only a hydrodynamic process but it is also the key to all Gravitational phenomena. Including how the atom works.

….to be continued.

Editing: Jim W. Dean


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  1. Gordon D, you said in a comment:

    “However, the real issues, a thousand times more frightening and certainly more ‘challenging’ aren’t even within the scope of imagination of many (not all) posting on this. I am certain we visited the moon. However, I am unable to tell you what the moon actually is.”

    Are you alluding to questions such as — is the moon hollow? — and, was it artificially constructed? — and, what might it have inside of it? (In short — is the moon a ‘clockwork orange’ ? ? ? )

    I first saw these questions raised by David Icke.


  2. What if there were two (or more) ‘space programs’.
    Then both ‘stories’ could be true.
    Parallel Universes so to speak.
    NASA.. Never A Straight Answer.
    Thanks Mr. Duff.
    I love your exposes, I said before,
    what an interesting path you have traveled.


  3. Thanks for the article, Mr Duff. It got me thinking about some things I’ve seen lately and not so lately. I remember watching the Lunar Excursion Module take off to meet the orbiter for the return trip and the take off was definitely not ballistic, but a climb that looked almost like it was being lifted by an invisible cord. It almost looked like it could have been done on a movie set. Now, just a few years ago, I was camping in Flamingo campground at the Everglades and each night we had unusual planes fly over at low altitude and the sound of a fan (or fans) was noticeable. Having just watched a couple of the Marvel movies (Avengers, etc.) I see fans on wings with a Hollywood added flame coming out of the fan which wouldn’t necessarily do that – certainly the LEM didn’t. The planes I saw over the Everglades had thrust coming from the rear, but now I’m trying to figure out if they had fans on the wings. Is Hollywood showing us the next generation of military aircraft?

  4. Will not comment but I do have access to check on most UFO related rumors. I still seem to have clearance for some reason, though I can’t remotely imagine why.

  5. Those round things people see in the live NASA feeds floating around everywhere. The ones that look like giant orbs, if you know what an orb is, are not all ufo’s they are actually living entities not spacecraft. whether the government knows this i’m not sure, but then again they don’t much about the universal community and not just a few but millions of different creatures that exist beyond this planet. If you watch in some of the videos you can see the larger entities coming near or in contact with the smaller ones. They are being fed by the mother. these creatures exist in a non physical state.

  6. “They just pressurized the fuel tanks with Helium instead of using the usual nitrogen charging system. Helium being diamagnetic simply neutralized the gravitational effects of~~”

    Nitrogen and Helium are both diamagnetic ???

  7. G, your discussion of ball lightning mentions research at Severe Storm Research Center in Norman, OK. I think you mean NSSL? Severe Storms Research Center belongs to Georgia Tech.

    • I don’t mean to detract from the discussion. It DOES sound like interesting research, no matter who’s doing it.

    • I published this under my name because I did the editing..with Jim Dean.

      he and I wrote NONE of this.

      you see, we know and like jeff but also recognize his access, well beyond anyone mentioned here. when given access to a real asset…who doesn’t support pet theories from key “look at me” pundits…

      Is anyone here a qualified scientist? real question….

      you know, tens of thousands of people worked on Apollo….why aren’t more of them speaking up about the scam?

  8. Is so preposterous to believe we went to the moon. maybe some of the photos were edited and altered to remove certain “things” the public would not accept at the time. There is life on every single planet, moon, and star in the universe. There is even more life in between the bodies that you are able to see at your level of existence. what level soul does one carry? and what composition does it have to interact with higher non physical beings not from this planet? Also, a lot of the stars you see through the night sky are not stars. If you were able to go into deep space you would see there is nothing physical there. When you have certain geometrical positions of a set of stars they create the illusion of another star. This may seem out of the realm for some to accept. but our educational system is a piece of crap and the only other way to know is from “others” or personal experience. FYI, “MAN” needs to get right in the soul and emotional part of the brain. This planet was to be wiped out already, we have one last chance and not much time left. “Though shall not steal, think correct, act correct, talk correct”

  9. “This early type of magnetic buoyancy system works in the vacuum of outer space by displacing the magnetic field lines producing magnetic buoyancy or an anti-gravity effect.”

    Why would a vehicle need anti gravity in outer space where there is no gravity??

    • so the lander could meet the orbiter…note we have broad access to the teams that built the lander and orbiter and full access to the science on the weight reduction unit. What we really don’t have is anything but internet gossip on the rest of it.

      No one in the community takes any of this seriously, just to note. However, the real issues, a thousand times more frightening and certainly more “challenging” aren’t even within the scope of imagination of many (not all) posting on this.

      I am certain we visited the moon. However, I am unable to tell you what the moon actually is.

    • Gravity is still a form of magnetism, and the vacuum of space is not a true vacuum. There are several reasons you might want a gravitational system in space. there is more than one type but ill stick with one for now. You can adjust the field around the craft to either repel or attract from the earths gravity field. and once your in space you can tune into another body in space to get attracted or repelled. so you want to go to the moon. You can have the craft repel the earths fields while being attracted to the moons field. the strength of the crafts field will determine the speed. you can actually use the light from various suns in the galaxy or elsewhere to tune into its field and travel there. also, having to wait for light to travel how ever many light years to get here to detect it is nonsense. you can detect the light or changes in the sun your interested in in zero time, yes this technology to detect the instant changes exist. once these sensors are made public say bye bye stealth air craft. hope that helps KSP

  10. The ‘problems’ are overcome when you realize how all of those scientists were fooled from ground based telemetry and a closed circuit feed from Nevada. Bypassing even Australia and spoofing them. The areas where more filming happened are known, survivors do tell tails, you haven’t looked deep enough. I had the great pleasure of working with the man who was in charge of the communications for Apollo 13. I have picked his brain apart on many issues. He was there for the “Houston, we have a problem” moment and he told me how Lovell? pegged his heart rate at around 185 for several minutes and remained calm through the entire ordeal. Now, was Lovell and crew on their way to the moon? That’s the question isn’t it. I’ve been winked at over this by people who know and at risk to themselves even after all these years. Ask yourself, has the USG EVER TOLD YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT ONE THING IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE? cmon….

  11. One really neat video on utube shows the kerosene fuel being used in flight. Type in saturn rocket fuel on utube. Notice the hexegon shape from inside the tank, just like the top of saturn itself. the design according to the video would prevent the fuel from swooshing around.

  12. Leave the thermos closed, end of day the hot coffee will be same temp as ambient, so how does the heat leave the the thermos?

  13. “there would have been no medium for energy transfer”

    If you are addressing the 500 degree temp change, solar radiation is thermal / infra red radiation and doesn’t need a medium. The suit itself
    would be a conductor.

  14. I know Clark, he has written for us in the past and is credible. We also have others who worked on Apollo. My parents lived in the area during the Apollo program and we knew many of the scientists.

    I was in Vietnam during the first shot but saw a Saturn 1 put up Skylab and witnessed subsequent Saturn 5 launches.

  15. I remain a skeptic whether we landed on the Moon or not; and in fact am leaning toward the Moon Landing was a hoax position as more and more time goes by and we-still- have yet to return there. Bud Cooper raised an interesting point about the suits worn by the astronauts. Given the technology of the 60’s, was it really possible to design a suit that could withstand an instant 500 degree temperature change that would have occurred when an astronaut moved from shadow into the light? Almost certainly not! But there are just too many issues and problems with the Moon Landing narrative that have yet to be resolved.

  16. mary1011, the recent JF article sought to prove that the photos sent back were faked, as I believe. Marcus Allen sought to prove, or did prove the same thing. Clark may have said we went to the moon, don’t recall if he said we went on the Apollo craft. the logic is that if we went on the Apollo there was no need to fake anything. only if we did not go, or went with another technology.
    hundreds of photos taken with a camera mounted on the chest, no means for adjustment, or focus, not one consecutive serial # a toss out? perfect, as NASA said.
    who was it who first said, “gravity is the root of lightness?” Lau Tzu?

  17. Mercury to Apollo is an endlessly fascinating peiriod, those men that figured it all out, and those astronauts brave enough to blast off, RIP apollo 1 crew, are amazing. I had a science teacher in the late 1980s that warned the know how would be lost as the pioneering scientists continued dying off.We probably couldnt even duplicate the Gemini missions at this point, let alone Apollo 8. It all seems like magic now.

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