NEO – Rewriting and falsifying history Polish-style

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[ Editor’s note: Seth Ferris takes on a two headed monster today, taking on the evolving Holocaust story and Polish politics at the same time, and I will, also. It reminds me of one of my favorite Otto von Bismark quotes when he was the first Chancellor.

“People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election.” I would bet my money that lies of war beat the other two categories hands down.

 Seth’s focus today is the lies told to rewrite history, but that is a minefield, with WWII having two distinct versions. The massive lying about anything deemed necessary to hide, with those in power always making the final decision by security classifications.

And then there is re-spinning the official version to suit some contemporary political objective, which Seth will feature with Poland today.

My favorite is the hypnotic trance about the six million Jewish deaths in the Holocaust, as it has always been patently untrue, with archival sources to back it, but almost all of it was totally ignored. The Holo-holics finally had to give up the ghost when the “four million died plaque” at Auschwitz was replaced with “one million (Jews) died”.

From time to time, I use this to torment journalists who kept using the six million figure. I generally will call them and ask them why they are using a debunked number, which unsettles them right away… followed by their response, “What exactly do you mean?”

The four million number came from the camp cmdr while being tortured. There was nothing to support it, but no one cared

The four million number came from the camp commander while being tortured. There was nothing to support it, but no one cared

I tell them the short story about three million having been subtracted from the “six million Jews died”, and that I have checked my math, and confirmed that six minus three equals three.

They are stunned of course. Not a one was aware of the Auschwitz numbers having been changed.

The Holo-hype continues as Seth shows below, because someone wants to use it again. The six million figure was originally pulled out of the air during the first Israeli-Germany reparation negotiations. For some strange reason, there was an agreement on the reparation per head figure.

That left working out what the final amount would be. The Zionists simply took the amount that they wanted, divided in by the agreed upon per head number, and rounded it off to six million. That is the basis of the story of where the number came from.

Truth is never allowed to get in the way of what people want to believe. The proof of that is the massive amounts spent on propagandizing people, which has a double payoff because they will reject any evidence to the contrary to hide that they were suckers to begin with.

I have had my short six minus three does not equal six lesson — what I call the Jim Dean condensed Holocaust seminar. They all were as stunned as the reporters. None responded in any way, and none ever spoke to me again afterward. That was my first real exposure to the power of propaganda, and how it could turn people’s brains into mush.

Personally I don’t like the traditional Holocaust Story, because I view it as a perverse historical hijacking. I view all of WWII as one big giant holocaust, and the proof of that is self evident. And I am also anti-victim supremacy, which is the bottom line of the “official” holocaust story, the six minus three equals six one.

The WWII Memorial is beautiful...but does not imprint the children

The WWII Memorial is beautiful… but does not imprint the school children

These state-sponsored deceptions dishonor WWII veterans right off the bat, sending them to the back of the bus, while “you know who rides in the front”.

The sordid truth of this in the WWII memorial in DC, funded with 100% private donations, and while very beautiful, it is not interactive, but a silent memorial.

On the other side of the Mall we have the Holocaust Museum, funded with a lot of government money — with a state-of-the-art interactive, impressive display, which can be toured rain or shine or zero degree weather.

After school kids make their DC school bus trips to see the sites and they return home, what do you think they say when asked what moved them the most about their trip? And for all those kids that had a Great Grandpa in WWII, how many do you think know what his unit was (ahhh… a “soldier” does not count).

I hope you are getting the picture about the inequality… yes, the carjacking of the kids’ minds, imprinting them basically so they will always support Israel, because the big tragedy of WWII was that a bunch of Jews died.

And what about everybody else who died? They get sent to the back of the bus. You can choose whom you feel lives on a higher moral plane. I will not defile the graves nor the memory of the Un-chosen Dead of World War II. I would eat a bullet before I did that… Jim W. Dean ]


… by  Seth Ferris,  … with  New Eastern Outlook, Moscow

–  First published  January 24, 2015  –


Holocaust-goldMany years ago the notorious business tycoon Sir James Goldsmith sued a satirical magazine for criminal libel, rather than civil libel, under a statute few people knew existed.

He justified this by saying that if someone makes false claims about a person, which are then used as a source for a succession of other false stories, even the victim, who knows differently, will ultimately begin to believe such stories because they have to continually defend themselves, and so must embrace the lie to counter it.

Goldsmith was roundly ridiculed for bringing these legal cases and for giving this reasoning for them. One wonders, therefore, what he would have made of the latest remarks of the Polish Foreign Minister, Grzegorz Schetyna, and the broader agenda they are part of – particularly as Goldsmith was Jewish.

Some things are not matters of interpretation

Grzegorz Schetyna

Grzegorz Schetyna

Schetyna has invited international ridicule of his own by saying on Polish radio that it was Ukrainians, rather than the Russian Red Army, which liberated the Auschwitz concentration camp at the end of World War Two. However, this statement was not made by accident. His listeners were expected to draw a conclusion from it.

The Poroshenko government in Kiev has a pronounced neo-fascist element. If, however, the Ukrainian “nationalists” of the Bandera era, from whom they openly take their inspiration, liberated the Nazi death camp they can’t really be Nazis, so they must be alright really.

From now on, any criticism of the neo-fascist element in Ukraine will be met by “they are not fascists because they are the descendants of the people who liberated Auschwitz”, even though the claim is absurd and it will soon be forgotten where it came from.

Therefore, any action in support of the Chocolate Soldiers is allowed because the opposition is based on a misguided notion. Therefore, any action the Chocolate Soldiers take is justified because their opponents are unfairly maligning them.

Revising revisionism

Kielbasa of history

Kielbasa of history

Trying to rewrite history is nothing new. It is done for a variety of motives. For example, in Ceaucescu’s Romania a succession of films were made about “national heroes” from history whose connection with Romania was very tenuous, and who would never have approved of either the Communist ideology or being called Romanian.

The purpose of this was to show that Ceaucescu was the latest, and greatest, of an inexorable parade of great men.

However the present attempt bears more than a passing resemblance to the dispute about the Jasenovac concentration camp, constructed by the fascist Ustashi regime of independent Croatia in 1941.

For many years, it was widely claimed that over 700,000 people, the vast majority of them Serbs, were murdered in this camp complex for being non-Aryan, which was hardly surprising as this “independent state” had been created by, and always remained a client of, the Axis powers.

One of the first acts of the independent Croatia declared in 1990 was to champion a much lower figure of camp deaths, less than 60,000, at a time when its soldiers were wearing Ustashi symbols on their helmets and revering the wartime state.

It may well be true that the postwar Yugoslav government inflated the figures to claim more compensation, but similarly there are obvious reasons why the lower figure was now being claimed by the self-proclaimed successors of the Ustashi.

As the Jasenovac site has never been fully excavated, there may well be many more mass graves than the ones yet discovered, which form the basis of the some of the more reliable calculations. But as the West chose to support Croatia during the 1990s war, the crimes of Jasenovac had to be presented as a trivial incident or just ignored.

The lower figure was allowed to gain traction because, as in the case of present-day Ukraine, the West needed to find something relatively good to say about its new friends after shedding so much blood to stop them in years gone by.

Now Croatia is in the EU it is publicly distancing itself from its fascist past and implying that it does not support attempts to lower the death count at Jasenovac. Well it would, wouldn’t it?

However the modern state of Croatia came into existence by invoking the wartime state and justifying its every move. Today’s Croatian politicians can’t avoid the fact that they wouldn’t be there to make these statements if they hadn’t rewritten history to suit their purposes, or still be supporting such behaviour now.

Under the radar

Holocaust commemoration

Holocaust commemoration

The Polish Foreign Minister’s remarks could not have been more ill-timed, against the backdrop of the carnage being carried out by Kiev in the East of Ukraine which is turning the US-inspired local conflict into an effective proxy war between the US and Russia.

Russia has rightly accused Poland of engaging in a “mockery of history” to support the official US and NATO line on Ukraine. As UK-based journalist and writer Neil Clark recently said,

“The fact of the matter is that it was the Soviet Red Army which liberated that appalling camp Auschwitz…Yet now in 2015 we are rewriting history to write out the role of the Red Army liberating Auschwitz for political purposes.”

All this was famously foreseen by George Orwell, who wrote:

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history” and “indifference to objective truth is encouraged by the sealing off of one part of the world from another, which makes it more difficult to discover what is actually happening …facts will be so dishonestly set forth in that the ordinary reader can be forgiven either for swallowing lies or for failing to form an opinion.”

World War Two is ancient history for most people alive now, something only relevant to their parents’ or grandparents’ generations. The last major legacy of it, the divided Europe symbolized by the Eastern Bloc and Western alliance, died long ago.

Therefore it is not an issue for most people who did what in that war. Most will not care whether the defunct Soviets or defunct Ukrainian nationalists liberated the camp, as the issue is not seen as relevant to today.

The true significance of Schetyna’s comments, even if understood, is not going to trouble most people who heard them. Consequently they will be repeated as throwaway facts for a long time to come, because people are sealed off from the realities they refer to.

But if anyone wants to challenge such blatant falsehood, how can it be done without adopting the lie? All discussion will have to start by repeating the premise that it really could have been Ukrainian troops who liberated Auschwitz, and then demolishing it. It won’t work the other way round.

If someone has heard a story that Shakespeare didn’t write his plays, they inevitably bring the subject up when told otherwise. Mere recitation of the evidence to the contrary will not satisfy such a person. So the interlocutor must then embrace the idea that a particular other person might have written the plays and then show why they didn’t.

But discussing the subject at all raises a seed of doubt, and the likes of Marlowe and De Vere become “alternative candidates” when they are nothing of the sort.

These claims can only be demolished in the same way, by accepting the theoretical possibility that they might be true. As long as people are obliged to treat them as an “alternative theory”, they have a credibility they do not deserve in reality.

Most people won’t want to discuss the subject for long anyway, so the nonsense will work at a subliminal level. Someone who’s interested has said it, so it can’t just be dismissed by those who have less interest in the subject.

Them and us, a little confused

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The attempt to excuse or rehabilitate fascists has another subtext. It is being linked to attempts to maintain that fascists actually cared about the victims of the holocaust, despite the fact they committed it, and Russia does not.

We are meant to infer from this that in any dispute between Russia and a Western-supported neo-fascist group, Russia must be morally wrong.

It is being claimed that Vladimir Putin will not attend the attend Holocaust commemorations in Poland later this month. He is unlikely to attend because he hasn’t been invited, and it was Poland which chose not to invite him. If Putin gatecrashed the commemorations, (which from now on will always be called “Pulling a Bibi”…Jim Dean) this too would be a negative story.

Many in the West conveniently forget that without the Russians/Soviets a lot more Jews and others would have died at the hands of the West’s new friends, simply because they were Jews or considered “other”, without any recourse to any of the due processes of law demanded of Russia.

We might also ask, “Where next?” All over Europe right-wing anti-immigration parties are gaining support. Most of these do not have a fascist ideology, either in its racist or corporatist aspects, but they openly court people who hold such views to get elected.

As in Ukraine, it would be easy to insert into any government full-blooded card-carrying fascists, small groups of whom exist everywhere even if they have minuscule public support, as a “harmless extension” of a sanitised, mainstream force, which is happy to court them.

This has happened more often than is generally supposed, as with the curious “civilian-military” regime in Uruguay from 1973 onwards, which even Jimmy Carter was seen supporting.

Tell a lie in the right way, everyone is forced to address it as potentially fact. Those who wish to believe the lie can simply deride those who don’t as ignorant or prejudiced, without having to provide any evidence to support their own position.

The Polish Foreign Minister’s comments are an insult to all those who died winning World War Two, and to those who died in the death camps, the few remaining living survivors and their families.

But the man who says he is not embarrassed by his predecessor saying that Poland and Russia should divide Ukraine up between themselves is not likely to be bothered by such concerns when he is trying to pursue the same policy in a more subtle way.

Seth Ferris, investigative journalist and political scientist, expert on Middle Eastern affairs, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

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30 Responses to "NEO – Rewriting and falsifying history Polish-style"

  1. ProtectUSA1st  February 1, 2015 at 1:10 pm

     If you want to listen to the only (2) SMART & HISTORIAN LEADERS _ They are Presidents Putin of Russia & Xi Jinping of China.

     The rest IDOIT LEADERS they did not and then may be don’t even now, that Libya has 148 tribal Groups, so the Fiasco still going on.

  2. ProtectUSA1st  February 1, 2015 at 12:52 pm

     Abe of Japan wants to re-write WW2 Japan Atrocity on China & South Korea, “Eventually_ the unprovoked attack of Pearl Harbor, Too).
     It’s amazing to watch the “Love Feast” between Poland & Ukraine when in 2010, Poland Parliament was trying to change the exterminating of their elites by Ukraine from massacres to genocide, even though, Russia, Germany & Latvia opposed the change.

     “MOSCOW: Amid recent debates on the Stalin’s occupation of three Baltic states, Russian president Vladimir Putin said, the Red Army of the Soviet Union made a decisive contribution to the victory over Nazism by liberating 11 countries of eastern Europe.”
     “Our people not only defended their homeland, but also liberated eleven countries of Europe. The aggressor’s military machine was crushed on the fields of gigantic battles from the Barents Sea to the Caucasus,” he said unveiling a memorial to mark the victory of the Red Army in World War II.”
     “Over 27 Million Soviet citizens, mostly Russians, were killed in the war with Germany, which is known as Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.”

  3. LightSaber  January 31, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    Exacalibur – _everybody_ in Poland _always_ knew it was the Soviets responsible for the Katyń massacre (the movie is so-so). You just could not talk about it openly, the literature was forbidden until 1989. The penalty varied throughout decades but your family should except at least harassment from the authorities for even mentioning that name. Soon you will be treated that way for criticizing Jews…

  4. Hotdog  January 31, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    “The German public are really too good – that’s why others conspire against them.”

    John F Kennedy, 1937

  5. DickVanstone  January 31, 2015 at 9:18 am

    “The Polish Foreign Minister’s comments are an insult to all those who died winning World War Two…” I fully understand your point Mr. Dean. I would like to point out the “winning” side had, most likely 0 casualties. They rarely have casualties in any war, they win them all, and make a killing. Anyone want to take a stab at it?

  6. Dan  January 31, 2015 at 8:42 am

    What is Ferris’s point, dredging up the Shakespeare authorship debate? The case for de Vere is compelling, and I doubt the author could do more than an “everyone knows” rebuttal. He implies history should not be rewritten if he doesn’t like the outcome, apparently regardless of new evidence. He absurdly suggests responding with facts already assumes the truth of a baseless assertion. So why not some pertinent facts instead of this stuff? Maybe he read Lenin a way back,

    Why should we bother to reply to [Schetnya]. He would reply to us, and we would have to reply to his reply. There’s no end to that. It will be quite enough for us to announce that [he’s a fascist], and everyone will understand everything.

    Nikolai Lenin (mol)

  7. cynthiamaccioli  January 31, 2015 at 6:00 am

    I get this article totally, but considering that the Red Army Liberators, raped themselves into a frenzy across Germany against any woman with a heart beat, or not, why not give that “distinction” to the Ukrainian Fascist government now? It’s more in keeping with the facts on the ground today anyway.

    Russia is now the peacemaker of the world. Not so much in 1945 when we allowed the Red Army to get to Auschwitz before we did. I think Putin should have let this little tidbit go, given what the Red Army did, and ignored it. Granted it’s truth and history, but I damned sure wouldn’t want to admit to an atrocity like that if some other group of knuckleheads wanted to take credit for it.

    • LightSaber  January 31, 2015 at 2:44 pm

      True. You may look up Ilya Ehrenburg and his apparatus role in those crimes.

    • Worker Bee  January 31, 2015 at 3:02 pm

      Remember that every Red Army unit had a political Kommissar that could have discouraged most of the worst behavior, instead of promoting it (along with promoting the interests of the 13th Tribe).

      Do not forget either that the “Western” occupiers of Germany originally supported the Morgenthau Plan (guess what Tribe Morgenthau was a member of), which if fully implemented would have done to Germany what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge did to Cambodia. Fortunately, saner heads (in particular a Quaker former President) prevailed.

  8. Allesandro  January 30, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    Death Camps = Labor Camps

    There is a big difference in that the objective originally was to have nearly free labor for the War machine, not to kill, torture and exterminate. So the original motive was quite different from “Death Camps”.

    The US uses prison labor.

    • Excalibur  January 31, 2015 at 6:18 am

      Allesandro the US did exactly the same thing with the internment of all Japanese descended people in the US during WW2. So did Britain – which had camps full of foreigners whose allegiance was unclear. Jews were a minority within the German camps – and only ended up there AT ALL because of the (in my view deliberate) declaration of war by ‘international jewry’ on Germany. The Royal Navy blockade of food going into Germany; the US and RAF carpet bombing destruction of Germany’s road and rail systems – and the typhus epidemics – did the rest. 30% of the people in Belsen Bergen were jews – the rest were Gentiles – including many of the dead shown in news reels. If the highly organized and efficient German state had seriously set out to exterminate all the jews in particular – it would have done this years before the end of the war.

      It is interesting to see jewish survivors of the camps recently on TV – who had been inmates for some time – stating that they had no idea that an extermination programme of jews was going on. They only learned about it,some time after they were released, from the news reels. This is very telling – as one would have thought that THEY would have been the FIRST to know about such things. This also shows that not all jews were involved in this deception – just as today there are jews who are not part of the zio-bolshevik plans for the world. I wish that more of them would speak up.

  9. LightSaber  January 30, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    And last, but not least – Marek Edelman was a great man…

    Edelman was one of the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising against the Nazis during World War II. He was a member of the Bund and an anti-Zionist, remaining one until his death last week. While Zionism tries to claim Edelman and his comrades to help further the Zionist cause and myth, Edelman and his comrades (as Tony Greenstein writes below)were “the living proof that Jews could fight anti-Semitism where they lived and didn’t have to escape to a state mirrored on the principles of their oppressors in someone else’s land in Palestine. Above all he [Edelman] excoriated the Jewish collaborators and traitors who the Zionists had seen fit to call ‘heroes’. He didn’t fit in with or conform to Zionism’s narrative of the Holocaust”.

  10. LightSaber  January 30, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    Schetyna made his weird statements shortly after his return from WDC. But “Polish-style”? What’s that? Please do not drag proud Polish nation into this mud…

    • jonathan  January 31, 2015 at 10:58 am

      lightsaber:a movie for you concerning the forest.***

  11. Estipi  January 30, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    Point #2, continued —

    “Column A” is for asking the question: “Is the Official Story true?” (And a very huge percentage of the time, in considering ANY Official Story — i.e., something “everyone knows is true” — the answer is: NO.)

    “Column B” is for asking the question: “If the O/S is NOT true, then what is the truth of the situation?”

    Now if you put your Shakespeare authorship issue up on the blackboard in “Column A,” and ask: Is the Official Story true? — you’ll discover — just as with most or perhaps all Official Stories — it’s not just untrue but OBVIOUSLY untrue! (However: That may be hard to see at first because we’re so used to automatically regarding any Official Story as being true, even when it’s not! — 9/11 being an archetypal example of this.)

    Then you can move the issue over, to “Column B,” and ask, “Since the O/S is untrue, then what is the truth of the situation?” (And it’s a characteristic of “Column B” analysis, that the actual truth of a situation tends to be — almost always is — very detailed, complicated, and complex — but also more interesting, because more MEANINGFUL — than the Official Story.)

    If you want to try out the “Chinese Menu” protocol on the Shakespeare issue — there’s someone knowledgeable who will walk you through it — if — you can find a copy of (unfortunately out of print) The Mysterious Wlliam Shakespeare: The Myth versus the Reality, by Charlton Ogburn.

  12. Estipi  January 30, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    Point #2, beginning — The article says:

    “If someone has heard a story that Shakespeare didn’t write his plays, they inevitably bring the subject up when told otherwise. Mere recitation of the evidence to the contrary will not satisfy such a person. So the interlocutor must then embrace the idea that a particular other person might have written the plays and then show why they didn’t. [paragraph break] But discussing the subject at all raises a seed of doubt, and the likes of Marlowe and De Vere become ‘alternative candidates’ when they are nothing of the sort.”

    In the last 64 years or so I have discovered that “Official Stories” are COMMONLY (perhaps always?) FALSE.

    (Two real questions for you: Have you discovered anything similar to that, in your own life experience? And, what percentage of the time do you feel that Official Stories — i.e., what everyone automatically knows is true — are actually false?)

    Since it appears to me that Official Stories are nearly always false — I also see a need for pervasive revisionary inquiry into every question of cultural importance.

    The Shakespeare “authorship issue” is a perfect (“textbook”) example of what I mean.

    I have my own protocol for analyzing any Official Story. I call it — the “Chinese Menu Protocol.”

    You take the Official Story, and you put it up on an imaginary blackboard divided into “Column A” and “Column B.” (Just like on an old-fashioned Chinese restaurant menu!)

  13. Excalibur  January 30, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    Lets not forget – that the death camps actually DID happen – it is just that it happened to MILLIONS of innocent Christians in jew run Soviet Russia. (60 MILLION AT LEAST). No doubt this is why they were able to describe the details of these places so vividly. jews from all over the world traveled to Russia from 1917 onward in order to take part in that unfortunate country’s agony.

  14. Excalibur  January 30, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Jim – there is something for which the Polish people can rightly be proud – and that was the battle known as the ‘Miracle on the Vistula’ in 1920. In this action the tiny Polish army stopped the massive Red bolshevik army from sweeping across war ravaged Europe and in doing so screwed up the plans of the jewish bolsheviks – the last time around that they went for world domination.

    Whatever the craven and self serving ‘professional politicians’ of the modern Polish state might think – Poland will NEVER be forgiven for this by the jews. This was why all the Polish army officer class, Clergy and Catholic intellectuals (thousands of people) were murdered in the ‘Katyn Forest massacre’ in 1939. Revenge by the jews running Soviet Russia for the Miracle on the Vistula.

    • LightSaber  January 30, 2015 at 7:26 pm

      Right on Excalibur – one of the 20 most important battles in human history…

    • LightSaber  January 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      You should also read about the Polish king Sobieski’s rescue of Vienna from the Turkish siege in 1683… Coffee-lovers should read about it too…

    • LightSaber  January 30, 2015 at 7:56 pm

      One more thing – Jewish fanatics from that Babylonian cult trying to dominate the world for last 3000 years (Illuminazionists) hate Poland so much because they had planned to create their “Israel” state called “Judeopolonia” instead of Poland around 1918, where the Jews would be the superior class. The Poles by regaining their independence, after 123 years off the map, through military struggle and good diplomacy hindered zionist plans.
      It’s also informative to read Henry Ford’s “The International Jew” about some lying, perverse, perfidious smearing campaign by Jews against Poland at that time, with wild accusations about “pogroms”.

    • Jim W. Dean  January 30, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Amen Excal, The Polish people are no more collecively guilty for the holo political games now than the American people are for what we are doing in Syria and Ukraine. We never paint with a broad brush here as we have too long a list of individual targets we know are quilty as hell, and can prove it. There just isn’t any judicial forum to take them to now, and it will be very hard to construct one, as “they” know they will be toast when that happens.

    • Excalibur  January 31, 2015 at 5:55 am

      Jim and LightSaber – it is certainly worth remembering that when the thousands of corpses of Polish Officers and Clergy were eventually found by the invading German Army – the Soviets BLAMED THE GERMANS for the massacre. This was a sign of further accusations to come. It was held as FACT that the Germans had committed this atrocity until fairly recent times – when Russian officials came clean and admitted that it was actually the work of the NKVD communist Secret Police. (NKVD – ‘The People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs). One of the NKVD leaders of this operation was a certain Samuel Miliband – a jewish leather worker from Belgium – and Grandfather of David and Edward Miliband the UK politicians. Edward Miliband is now somehow the leader of the British Labour party! – and is potentially our next Prime Minister. This information was the reason why the British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, was unwelcome at the Katyn Forest memorial ceremony. You couldn’t make it up!

      Strange how the Miliband boys have done so well in British politics isn’t it? They must be so clever and able to be such high achievers.

    • jmreeves  January 31, 2015 at 7:07 am

      Milliband recently went on record
      to declare he would be as much a toadie as Cameron.


    • jonathan  January 31, 2015 at 10:55 am

      Here’s the movie link for the Katyn massacre.*****

  15. Estipi  January 30, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    Point #1 — I get your point about the Ukranians claiming credit for liberating Auschwitz, and how that claim is for current PR-type “leverage.”

    But — spurred on by considering your Orwell quotations — I wonder how you personally relate to the underlying issues around whether the so-called holocaust itself was (and is) real, or a projected lie.

    One of the quotes says: “Indifference to objective truth is encouraged by the sealing off of one part of the world from another, which makes it more difficult to discover what is actually happening . . . facts will be so dishonestly set forth in that the ordinary reader can be forgiven either for swallowing lies or for failing to form an opinion.”

    I just-now “googled,” and found the source of that quotation — it’s from a 1945 essay called “Notes on Nationalism.” And it’s interesting that in the place where you indicate an omission ( . . . ) the writer has this sentence:

    ” One has no way of verifying the facts, one is not even fully certain that they have happened, and one is always presented with totally different interpretations from different sources. What were the rights and wrongs of the Warsaw rising of August 1944? Is it true about the German gas ovens in Poland? Who was really to blame for the Bengal famine?”

    So Orwell himself (in 1945) was already thinking of the specific issue of: “Is it true about the German gas ovens in Poland?”

    And my question to you is — what’s your take on that very same question?

  16. zen master  January 30, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    The only thing Jews love more than money is their religion and state. I think the 6 million figure was chosen for that reason.

    ” Jewish prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million Jews must “vanish” before the state of Israel can be formed. “You shall return minus 6 million.” That’s why Tom Segev, an Israeli historian, declared that the “6 million” is an attempt to transform the Holocaust story into state religion. Those six million, according to prophecy, had to disappear in “burning ovens”, which the judicial version of the Holocaust now authenticates. As a matter of fact, Robert B. Goldmann writes: “. . . without the Holocaust, there would be no Jewish State.” A simple consequence: Given six million Jews gassed at Auschwitz who ended up in the “burning ovens” (the Greek word holocaust means burned offerings), therefore, the prophecies have now been “fulfilled” and Israel can become a “legitimate state”. –Unknown “

    • Hotdog  January 31, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      I think you’ll find that the six million figure was also claimed during WW1 but without success that time.

  17. Emanuel  January 30, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Wow! Wonderful history lesson(s)…

    I will have to digest this with slow original deep harmonic thoughts…

    Thank U!

  18. Martin Maloney  January 30, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    From the above article:

    “The Polish Foreign Minister’s comments are an insult to all those who died winning World War Two, and to those who died in the death camps, the few remaining living survivors and their families.”

    Kevin Barrett’s recent VT column, “Putin Denies Holocaust,” includes this quote by Putin:

    “The Holocaust was one of the most tragic and shameful pages in human history. Millions of innocent people fell victim to the Nazis, went through the hell of the death camps and were shot, tortured, and died from hunger and disease…”

    The “death camps” — are we to embrace this lie, too?

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