Vienna Syrian peace talks get to first base – Assad remains

Vienna has grand and historic meeting halls
Russia, the US, Saudis and Turks got the head of the table
Russia, the US, Saudi Arabia and Turkey got the head of the table

… by  Jim W. Dean, VT Editor

Vienna has grand and historic meeting halls
Vienna has grand and historic meeting halls

The first stage of the Vienna meeting has concluded with significant progress. The terrorist supporters trying to force Assad out had to accept that they had no power to do it; and Syria’s allies were not going to assist them in doing that, after the West, Turkey, Israel and the Gulf States had initiated the largest attempt in the 21st century to execute a regime change, using terrorists in military unit formation.

The highlights of today’s work include an agreement that Syria will remain a unified, independent secular state, and with all of its state institutions in place.

They agreed that Daesh and all other UN-designated terrorist organizations must be defeated. As al-Qaeda and al-Nusra are on that list, then this would require the US, Turkey and the Gulf States to stop supporting them, which I don’t think they have any intention of doing.

A separate meeting will be scheduled to come up with an agreed upon list. This will be a Gordian knot, as the “opposition groups” are not going to be the target, and suspicious me expects to see their ranks swell over the next week or so. The war will continue against the agreed upon groups, and the others will have in effect a no fly zone over their heads, which could be a Trojan horse.

Opposition groups could literally rent accommodations to the listed terror groups for some extra cash, which almost no one in Syria turns down after five years of war. How this future ceasefire would be monitored has not been decided.

Are we finally going to discover tho the opposition groups people are? and who is paying them?
Are we finally going to discover who the opposition groups people are? and who is paying them?

Another hurdle will be the admission and mapping of the evasive opposition-held territories to prevent accidental bombings — something their backers have been lax to cooperate on, as we suspect their numbers outside the Southern areas are so insignificant as to not earn them a place at the table.

VT feels that the Russian offer to engage with them has primarily been a ploy to reveal what a small puffed up group they are, with almost no political support outside the CIA. The same can be said for the Gulf State terrorists, most of whom are mercenaries from about 100 countries.

Humanitarian supply access is to be opened to all areas; again no specifics as to how security could be provided for these people, but it does spell some relief for the long-suffering Syrian people, with winter just around the corner.

The other good news is this progress should decrease the flow of refugees and the numbers that would actually qualify, especially the Syrians, if a ceasefire is implemented, since refugee services could be provided to them much less expensively in their respective countries.

The other biggie, which surprised me, was the mention that the future of Syria will be decided by the Syrian people… Syrian-led and owned. This seemed a bit incongruous, because in the post meeting talks, there were still mentions by some negotiators rejecting this; saying that, while it was OK for Assad to remain in a transition government, they could not see a peaceful resolution with Assad in power. That does not sound like the Syrian people deciding their future to me, but more Western conniving.

They plan to meet in this same format in two weeks. The participants are Russia, the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, Italy, Egypt, Great Britain, Germany, Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, France, China, the UAE, Jordan, Oman, the EU and the UN. Israel did not attend.

We will see over the next month who all really agreed to the Gulf States
We will see over the next month who all really agreed to this… like the Gulf States

Our hope is that this is not just a delaying tactic to get a ceasefire in time to stop the progress the Russians are making on all the terrorist groups. I am suspicious that the only goal the terror supporters have is to get their proxy troops out from under the bombing and rebuild them, while they drag the talks out Israeli-style.



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  1. Great post Amelius.

    How are the Golan Heights Israeli hospitals coping with all the wounded ISIS fleeing terrorists?

  2. While Obama was professing “peace is at hand” Kissinger style, the State Dept. was publicly announcing its intentions to continue support of jihadists fighting to bring down Assad. Insiders at McDill AFB leaked to Chip Tatum that official orders for 3000 US operators were in process, to be embedded with jihadists being targeted by Russian bombing raids. Now even Drudge reports the US personnel being sent in. Is Obama double-talking, or do we really have a divided command of these operations?

  3. I find the word “savages” to be more than reprehensible when describing families displaced by war. I remember the words “displaced persons” used to describe many immigrant families entering the US after WWII. My parents took in a family from Poland, an experience that enriched each of us.

    The solution is to END the war in Syria! Thanks to the Russians the tide is turning…

    • Jozsef V., Of course, you have every reason to be upset about what happened to your parent’s home. However, the word “savages” was once used by a Southern state governor during the fight for civil rights in the U.S. to describe African-Americans, & it was also used by other hateful,ignorant Americans to describe Native Americans which eased the way to genocide in the reservation system.

      The war-mongering in the ME has created unmitigated human suffering. War crimes need to be addressed by the world at large. The ones responsible for the dislocation of the Syrian people, including my own government, should be the ones held responsible for this tragedy, not the victims…

  4. This looks just like any other made for MSM “Peace Talks” with the exception that instead of doing the dictating,the US is forced to do some dealing. For whatever that is worth.

  5. The American-Saudi-Israeli axis won’t stop sending and supporting their proxy terrorists. So the jet-set jihadis need to be constantly exterminated. After the indiscriminate ( and often deliberately malicious ) US bombings and the Israeli air support given to ISIS Russia needs to ban all aircraft from entering Syrian airspace that isn’t Syrian or Russian..NOW!

  6. Oh, we can see how well similar ‘talks in Minsk’ went for the Separatists in East Ukraine–after the memorandum of peace and ceasefire was signed–shelling everyday. Kiev, which was badly losing the war to the Separatists has used the ceasefire to massively rearm and train new troops- meeting the requirements for an even bigger war when the time is right. We can expect similar results in Vienna. Russia hasn’t learned a thing. The talks in Vienna are nothing more than a rescue attempt at saving ISIS. A ceasefire now, when the Russians are winning will be a disaster for Syria and Russia. If Russia goes along with this, they deserve what will surely follow.

  7. Meanwhile you are spouting nonsense…The horde of savages? Are they carrying any weapons for the invasion?..Leave the Muslim countries alone and they will stay put.

    European (west) were the savages in the past and are still savages at present. They murder innocent for greed and power.

    Europe has no moral or legal order. If so they would not jail those that question Holocaust. Europe will be Islamized because of irreversible cultural doom for only producing 1.2 babies per couple against 2.1 per couple to survive. Plus high European reversion into Islam. Why don’t you ask the so called civilized European as to reason they reverting to these savage’s religion.

    Germany and Finland are members of NATO, thus they share the guilt of Muslim Genocide or Muslim Holocaust around the Globe. Germany financed the Israeli nuclear weapon program plus providing with latest submarines.

    The west created the most demonic, barbaric and savage state i.e. Israel, for the reason, for today’s barbaric events that will lead to greater Israel.

    People of the world are awake, hey, but nice try.

  8. They want the Gulf States in to pay for the damage when a deal gets done, and amnesty. With Minsk the Russian did not have their planes there to enforce the ceasefire. The Syrian people are going to want them to stay so it anyone tries anything they will be there to keep the Israeli planes out, and the Turks. The will discuss constitutional changes, which Assad has always said he was open to but got stiff armed. I heard by did not see on the list that the next elections would be UN run, to put to bed that Assad had rigged them. The FSA might pull 2%, and that will expose the US rump group for pretending they had much support. And Turkey may become more concerned about the Kurds now and less so about Assad and realize that this game is now destabilizing him.

    • You break it you own it, fair and square. And a moratorium should be enforced on them never to interfere in the internal affairs of other states. Perhaps also made to memorize Mathew 7:3 for good measure and behaviour.

  9. exactly Jim, they’re trying to stall, trying to get their pet terrorists shuffled into “protected groups” when there isn’t and should not be any such thing, and they’re still pushing the “lets get Assad outta there” buttons. izrahell not showing up because of risk of confessing and arrest, are also too busy scheming with the death incorporated genie bottle to steal oil from Syria.

    who is Vienna to decide or negotiate Syria’s fate, and with the exception or the Russian rep why were the criminals seated to the head of the table?

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