The Sinai Shootdown – It Finally Turns to Israel

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… by Jeff Smith and Gordon Duff, Editors

“The British kept quiet so ‘they’ could try it again…”

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Today’s startling report of an August 2015 failed missile attack over Sinai, this time on a British airliner, has broken the web of lies and disinformation apart. Too many “leaks,” too many governments running to “bomb” without a shred of evidence, America’s immediate release of satellite evidence of an explosion when America has withheld all evidence in MH17, we are now operating in new territory here.

We are now in a full scale coverup, one that began with phony stories of mechanical difficulties from Al Jazeera, obscene cartoons from “Charlie” Hebdoe, and now floods of crafted disinformation that ignores increasing evidence.

As the story developed, intelligence agencies flooded VT with stories, all “exclusive,” and all pointing to Saudi Arabia and a “bomb.”  Not one word from anyone pointed to Israel though their border was only 22 miles from the point of impact.

That alone is telling.  Now, new evidence including evidence presented below that Britain silenced vital reports of an earlier failed shoot down of a “wrong plane,” point the finger to Tel Aviv.

Yesterday, the British admitted that one of their airliners was attacked by a missile, possibly an air to air missile fired by an F15.  The attempted downing happened on August 23, 2015 and no one was told, not a word, nothing in the news though this startling announcement, reported thus far only in the Daily Mail, should have been earth shattering news.

Was the information withheld because the failed attempt to shoot down a Thompson Airlines jet filled with British vacationers was an accident?  Was some other plane the real target, perhaps a Russian plane? Were the British silenced so that the terror operation could go forward and that increased security would be avoided?

Who has this power over Britain?


This week, in “secret circles,” Britain’s foreign intelligence services leaked information citing Saudi Arabia and Egypt as responsible for “placing a bomb” on the Russian A321 that exploded over Sinai. Now, with examination of wreckage by VT teams moving forward, the likelihood of a shoot down by air to air missiles, the real scenario that best explains one or both Malaysian Airlines “accidents,” is now moving forward.

When even President Obama began talking about bombs, the smell of obfuscation was more than simply “in the air.”  As government after government, press organizations one after the other began crediting ISIS for planting a bomb on the Russian jet, failing of course to cite ISIS influence in Sinai and Egypt as non-existent in the real world, a fabrication to cover terror acts by Saudi intelligence, the real direction of this investigation became clearer.

From VT’s ex-IAEA investigator Jeff Smith:

Sources in Egypt were far more circumspect about the possible cause of the disaster.

Al-Masri al-Yaum, an Egyptian newspaper, cited an unnamed member of the commission investigating the crash saying that black box analysis suggested a explosion had occurred in one of the engines.

“The presence of a powerful explosion and simultaneous loss of all engine power (in both engines), a fire in part of the fuselage and the destruction of part of the plane in the air,” the source said, in comments picked up by Russian media.

“Samples taken from the remains of the passengers and the aircraft wreckage will determine if there were explosives present or if the blast [in the engine] was caused by technical failure,” the source added.

Basically they are saying that one of the engines or the plane its self was hit by an air to air missile. Man-pads only go up to 15,000 feet. This one was at 30,000 feet.

The plane was about 40 miles inside the Egyptian Israeli border. 40 miles is the maximum limit for an AM-RAM air to air missile. If an older Phoenix missile  was used on an F-15…farther. This would explain the no contrail argument for a ground launched missile.

Egyptian radar would be blinded by the mountains at this location from detecting anything coming in from the Israeli side of the border. Israeli military maneuvers were going on in that area at the time. The plane crashed about 22 miles due south of El-Arish International air port and about 25 miles inside the Egyptian border with Israel.

[ Editor’s Note: The Israeli huge air force combat exercises in the desert were mentioned by no media on the first or even the second day I believe. Such a lock down could not have been an oversight. Israel was never mentioned in any capacity…Jim W. Dean ]

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Hawk range 30+ miles. Amraam rang 30+ miles. Patriot range 43+ miles.

I-Hawk MIM-23: The MIM-23B has a larger 74 kg (163 lb) blast-fragmentation warhead, a smaller and improved guidance package, and a new M112 rocket motor. The new warhead produces approximately 14,000 2-gram (0.071 oz) fragments that cover a much larger 70 degree arc. The missiles M112 rocket motor has a boost phase of 5 seconds and a sustain phase of 21 seconds. The motors total weight is 395 kg (871 lb) including 295 kg (650 lb) of propellant. This new motor improves the engagement envelope to 1.5 to 40 km (0.93 to 24.85 mi) in range at high altitude, and 2.5 to 20 km (1.6 to 12.4 mi) at low altitude, the minimum engagement altitude is 60 meters (200 ft). The missile was operational in 1971. All US units had converted to this standard by 1978.

The AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air missile (AMRAAM) is a new generation air-to-air missile. It has an all-weather, beyond-visual-range capability and is scheduled to be operational beyond 2000. AMRAAM is a supersonic, air launched, aerial intercept, guided missile employing active radar target tracking, proportional navigation guidance, and active Radio Frequency (RF) target detection. It employs active, semi-active, and inertial navigational methods of guidance to provide an autonomous launch and leave capability against single and multiple targets in all environments.

The AMRAAM weighs 340 pounds and uses an advanced solid-fuel rocket motor to achieve a speed of Mach 4 and a range in excess of 30 miles. In long-range engagements AMRAAM heads for the target using inertial guidance and receives updated target information via data link from the launch aircraft. It transitions to a self-guiding terminal mode when the target is within range of its own monopulse radar set. The AIM-120 also has a “home-on-jam” guidance mode to counter electronic jamming. With its sophisticated avionics, high closing speed, and excellent end-game maneuverability, chances of escape from AMRAAM are minimal. Upon intercept an active-radar proximity fuze detonates the 40-pound high-explosive warhead to destroy the target. At closer ranges AMRAAM guides itself all the way using its own radar, freeing the launch aircraft to engage other targets.

Patriot Guided Missile  –  The first fielded variant was the round MIM-104A, “Standard”. It was optimized solely for engagements against aircraft and had very limited capability against ballistic missiles. It had a range of 70 km (43 mi), and a speed in excess of Mach 2.


 Rocket ‘attack’ on UK tour jet: Pilot with 189 passengers dodged missile above Sharm El Sheikh in August with just ‘seconds to spare from disaster’

  • Thomson flight from London took evasive action after pilot spotted missile 
  • Holidaymakers were not told they had been just seconds from disaster 
  • Comes amid claims British jihadists discussed ISIS ‘mole’ in Sharm el-Sheikh moments after a Metrojet plane crash in Sinai, killing 224 on board

A British plane carrying 189 passengers came ‘within 1,000ft’ of a rocket as it approached Sharm El Sheikh, it emerged last night. The Thomson flight from London Stansted only took evasive action after the pilot spotted the missile speeding through the air.

The jet landed safely, and holidaymakers were not told they had been seconds from disaster.

The revelation comes amid claims British jihadists had spoken about an Islamic State ‘mole’ at Sharm el-Sheikh airport minutes after a Metrojet plane crashed in Sinai, killing all 224 on board.

A British plane carrying 189 passengers came ‘within 1,000ft’ of a rocket as it approached Sharm El Sheikh, it emerged last night

A British plane carrying 189 passengers came ‘within 1,000ft’ of a rocket as it approached Sharm El Sheikh, it emerged last night

Possible proof: A picture of one of the crashed Airbus A321's doors show it bearing 'pockmarks' on the inside, which could be evidence of shrapnel from a bomb that has gone off inside the plane

Possible proof: A picture of one of the crashed Airbus A321’s doors show it bearing ‘pockmarks’ on the inside, which could be evidence of shrapnel from a bomb that has gone off inside the plane

Whitehall sources revealed that, in the days after the Russian airliner (pictured) was downed last weekend, they trawled back through communications data intercepted on suspects in Syria and Egypt

Whitehall sources revealed that, in the days after the Russian airliner (pictured) was downed last weekend, they trawled back through communications data intercepted on suspects in Syria and Egypt

Intelligence: Drone footage shared showed an aerial view of the Metrojet crash site in Sinai, Egypt on Tuesday, which British spies believe was from a bomb in the hold 

Intelligence: Drone footage shared showed an aerial view of the Metrojet crash site in Sinai, Egypt on Tuesday, which British spies believe was from a bomb in the hold

According to the Sun, British extremists were discussing details of the plot in online ‘chatter’ picked up by US intelligence officers. Sources told the newspaper there was suggestion there might still be an Islamic State agent active in Sharm el-Sheikh airport.

Meanwhile, US news outlet NBC said American officials had heard leaders from the terror group boasting about the downing of a Russian passenger jet over Egypt. Citing unnamed officials, the report said ISIS chiefs in Raqqa, Syria, were heard speaking to an affiliated group in the Sinai Peninsula about taking down the plane and how it was done.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3307741/Rocket-attack-UK-tour-jet.html#ixzz3qotf6Zp7

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  1. [Maybe Bollyn is not the most popular guy in the VT camp, but he may be right this time.]
    bollyn.com/#article_15282
    They hacked the airplane and made it break apart by obscene maneuvering, a lot of data supports this.
    Not a joy ride…
    I hope these psykos rot in hell…

  2. The Russians had their most advanced signal intelligence ship outside Tel Aviv, they should have heard and seen everything. But why are they playing their cards that tight to their chest?

  3. Some info on AIRBORNE defence systems for commercial airplanes, from KRET, the same manufacturer that fried USS Donald Cook:

    Onboard defense systems can protect aircraft from all possible weapons:
    kret.com/en/news/4041/

    The US military has acknowledged the superiority of KRET jamming stations:
    kret.com/en/news/3544/

  4. This is the work of apartheid Israel, mossad. Whenever Arabs are blamed for crime it’s always the Israeli evil zio-jew scum that’s involved. This has been the rule for the last fifty years. The zio-jew scum have America by the balls and nothing is been done. Whatever happened to the land of the free and the home of the brave……eh?

  5. W: Well said. However, If my recall is correct, I did not disparage Fulford — only saying that VT & VT sources are more credible than Fulford’s are. Of course, Fulford may be correct. We’ll see.

  6. A few not so well known facts about air-to-air missiles:

    1) Range is misleading.
    Instead, pilots talk about a missile “envelope” describing the distance to the target as well as relative bearings.
    For instance, the good old Sidewinder has a “known range” of about 10km. In reality this translates to about 3km when chasing the target (which moves away from yourself, so the missile needs to catch up) to about 5km when engaging a target moving directly towards you.
    2) Angle of attack:
    In that last 5km example, older Sidewinders could not be fired at all, because the heat seeking warhead of the missile would not lock on, unable to connect to the exhaust fumes of the targets engine. Radar guided missiles have similar disadvantages.
    3) Contrails:
    Most air-to-air missiles do not explode when they run out of fuel despite Hollywood beliefings. They will still chase the target as long as they got enough momentum (speed) to catch up. A missile still tracking the target with its engine shut down is extremely difficult to spot for the human eye.
    4) Angle of attack, part 2:
    Heat seeking missiles (as well as on board guns) are usually fired only from behind the target at a deflection angle as close to zero as possible.
    Modern Radar guided missiles need an “image” of the target to home in, which is often not as clear as the missile would like it. So although this missile could be fired from any angle in theory, head on or better chased shots are greatly preferred.
    5) Missile maneuverability:
    Forget it. They ain’t and they don’t. Just compare the wing area of any plane to that of a missile. Small corrections, that is all.

  7. (repost w/o external link)
    What does VT say about this report concerning a Russian envoy being dispatched to Washington on orders if Putin only to die before returning? The article connects to another rather fantastic story of a pair of CIA contractors being snatched in Yemen and renditioned. The source, reportedly Sochi Faal, has been maligned in the indie press but I don’t discount nor accept any news report based on the messenger but rather seek confirmation (reason for this post).
    Search: whatdoesitmean Russian envoy death

    “Mikhail Lesin’s last dispatch to Moscow before his death, this report continues, he described a “contentious/argumentative” meeting with Obama regime officials wherein they made threats against the Federation should Moscow attempt to bring back to Russia two captured American “contractors” from Yemen the SVR has “associated” with the Islamic State terrorists who shot down, and claimed responsibility for, Flight 9268. “

  8. AMRAAM missile range:
    • AIM-120A/B: 55–75 km
    • AIM-120C-5: >105 km
    • AIM-120D (C-8): >180 km

    While the author wrote that AMRAAM has a ‘range in exess of 30 miles’.

    >30mi = >48km

    • Depending on altitude, the speed of the aircraft and the warhead size you are basically correct. Numbers stated are minimum range only.

    • My point was that the author has used the performance of the A/B model while the Israeli AF surely also has the C and the D model.

  9. “ISIS IS Israel.”

    On my dad’s side, I’m a Junker. Otto von Bismarck is a distant cousin from “the Old Country.” Spindletop (Texas) was a family homestead. We were swindled via Lucas for Standard Oil (Rocketfellas). Fast forward to Mike Harris’ piece on ExxonMobile and BP. Tie that in with Duff’s on “direct action” raids on The Woodlands (I live there) and Irving. That is where IS/ISIS/ISIL is. That is its funding. That is its operations. When we look at Big Oil, we look at the banksters. The IDF are just hired guns ..

    Want to cut off the head of snake, then as Mike Harris said this past week on Galactic Connections, and Dr. Ron Paul has said throughout his entire career. All eyes should be on the Federal Reserve. If what Fulford et al reports that Dunford has Yellen on a leash, and the same for JPMC via Odierno; then things are progressing nicely albeit slowly and methodically as they should. If any here have read Wanta’s official bio, then you understand that as of (publicly) Jan. 20, 2005 Wanta is in very good company with very high brass. That was 10 years ago. The full plan kicked off in Dec. ’81. It takes time to do things right. And there will be casualties and some collateral damage along the way. This is simply consequence of living in a temporal imperfect society.

    Patience grasshopper(s) ..

  10. I believe Dr. Suska(if I’m wrong I apologize) dropped some disparaging remarks/comments the other day directed at DaveE and Fulford, and you might as well include the rest of us who commented that we did not buy into the bomb theory. Fulford cited Pentagon sources not channelers. You might not like Fulford but lets be real. He most certainly gives credible intel. Is he 100% correct all the time? Of course not. Is he fed disinfo on occasion? Most certainly. But the same is true of VT and other alternative media sources. Nobody has 100% accurate intel all the time. That is why you trust your gut and scour as many sources as you can before arriving at a conclusion. Some of us have no use for idol worship of people and websites. We are only interested in the truth. Sometimes the fawning and backslapping that goes on here in the comments section is a little nauseating. Everybody has a little piece of the puzzle, so, don’t get locked into one site or one person and ignore other possible theories and/or intel.

  11. Means, Motive, and Modus Operandi; well…
    Since Israel controlled the Sinai for almost 20 years until about 15 years ago, it’s likely their influence is still strong. With Sisi aligned with Israel, just how likely is it the Egyptians do anything without Israeli blessing. I hate to think American leadership is complicit; it may not be. Hopefully the fingerprint of the missile, if one was indeed launched, is not American. It is the desire of the PTB to start a war between the US and Russia. I would hope that by now, Putin is at least a little leerly of Israel.

  12. Straight up here, the aircraft involved in the nearby war games were more than close enough to the Russian plane to shoot it down with almost any air to air missile. The pilot who did it has no idea he did it because the war games were specifically designed that way. That fact was stupidly given away in the promo article on those aerial war games in The Times of Israel:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hosts-its-largest-ever-international-air-force-exercise/

    Not to mention that the area of the shootdown is supposedly blind to Egyptian radar, in which case any of the aircraft in the war games could easily have dipped further into Egyptian airspace to do the dastardly deed in just a few short minutes.

  13. All these reminds me of attack on Japan by USA during ww2 without any declaration of war. Finally Japan caved and fell in trap.

    Right now NATO is at war with Russia even though Russia is avoiding all provocations. This tells that NATO is fully prepared for blitzkrieg over Russia and is just waiting and constantly provoking Russia to make first move.

    I think only good thing is that Russia is aware that they cannot fight right now. Russia needs war manufacturing help from industrialized china. I personally think china is not reliable considering mass emigration of their rich people pointing to fractured society.

    I predict more such incident by “terrorists” if Russia keeps silence.

  14. I agree that Saudi didn’t do it. They are too busy breeding and insecure about their hold on country.

    Habado cartoon is telltale sign that Zions and Israel (sorry I cannot spot any difference) are involved. From USA it would be CIA and from UK it would be mi\d. Latter two directly under control of Israel.

    Obozo personal comments shows that he was informed about such scenario.

  15. Blockbuster stuff in this article, Russia and Putin are taking their time and examining all the evidence but you can be certain that their own intel have all the answers. The evidence points to Israel (who else??!!) a desperate act and declaration of war against Russia who had the temerity to scupper their wet dream if a greater Israel project. Putin’s trump card is full 911 disclosure via RT news with clear, and transparent proof who the real perpetrators were. Interesting times ahead.

  16. Dr stupid. If your mind is poisoned by vaccine then at least appreciate what helping mind is writing. And stop preaching others to write specific to article just because your mind cannot connect the dots. Thanks.

  17. Everyone everywhere trying to flood news outlets with phony bomb evidence and hearsay. Similar to the MH370 mysterious disaster, the Sinai shootdown “unknown noise” was from SDI energy directed weaponry. NWO blames ISIS as fallguy.

    • AC: Not all that you see & hear in MSM is false (‘tho it’s close). Duff & Dean prior-reported that Russian intel asserted that Saudi & compromised Egyptian intel facilitated the A321 “bombing.” An alternative hypothesis, based on reasonable inferences, is that an A2A rocket might have downed the Sinai A321.

      f you want to assert DEW, then what are your sources and/or supporting inferences and/or proofs?

      LC: Yes, Dr. Judy Wood (with whom I briefly worked) initiated the 9/11 DEW hypothesis, for which there is significant support. I’ve not seen or heard any credible assertions that DEW downed the Sinai A321.

      Although Israelis probably have DEW (given their advanced weapons industry), I’ve never seen or heard anyone credibly assert that they actually do. If WTC towers downed by ‘multi-factorial controlled demolition,’ then 9/11 perps might have used both DEW *and* advanced mini/micro nukes (etc.).

    • LC: Judy has a Virginia Tech Ph.D. in Mechanical Engineering and was a Professor of Mechanical Engineering. Judy credibly claims that, for 9/11 purposes, a Mechanical Engineering Ph.D. is better than a Physics Ph.D. She never claimed to be a physicist. Judy is very passionate about her work and strongly opposes those who disagree with any aspect of her work — now including me.

      Given getting to know her relatively well — and unless programmed during a long hospital stay during which she was unconscious for a substantial time — IMHO Judy was/is not a USG plant, just narrowly single-minded. A known CIA contractor attempted to discredit her early work. I have not checked her recent work but know that she dismissed mini-nukes when the evidence was not as good as it is now.

      My contributions to her work were in introducing her to the work of Tom Bearden & others re Tesla-type energy weapons (which I know to be real); showing Morgan Reynolds, others & her that physicist Steven Jones was more self-interested, self-protective and insidiously disinformational than even she & others knew (now confirmed by VT); and in helping her to rewrite some of her early work.

  18. Mr. Duff: Assuming that the ISIS-attributed A321 downing video is authentic, why would not a camera-team-controlled radio signal transmitted to a radio-triggered onboard bomb be able to achieve synchronization?

    BTW, superb articles with excellent sourcing & analyses!

  19. Helping Mind, I for one am grateful for your ‘off topic’ comments. I do not find them irritating at all!

  20. Dave:
    As we began to look at bomb designs, we ran into a snag. Only the satcom links on the plane could have activated it, a nasty trail to leave behind.

    For those who dont look at such things normally…pretend u are in your car, someone plants a bomb with a timer and wants your car to blow up while you are driving past a particular corner…during a 15 second window on a drive that could be between half an hour and 45 minutes.

    Do I need to go on?

  21. Good, thought provoking piece. My one comment is with regard to the statement regarding possible AA missiles for such a scenario as that proposed. Concerning the theory around the Phoenix missile (“If Phoenix missile was used on an F-15…”), I’m not aware of the AIM-54 ever being used operationally on any platform other than an F-14. The only state that flies the F-14 is Iran, and, although they may still have AIM-54’s in inventory, reportedly they have upgraded with an improved home grown missile. I suppose it is theoretically possible an F-15 could fly the AIM-54, however the work required to make this feasible (airframe, fire control, for starts), would be considerable. If it was an AIM-54 that was used, there would be telltale remnants that would point to speculation that, for some reason, Iran took down the airliner (which would probably be dismissed pretty quickly) or some state that was looking to frame Iran (and would blow someone’s cover concerning inventory of the missile and modification of the F-15). Otherwise, interesting article.

    • Trying again.

      Straight up here, the aircraft involved in the nearby war games were more than close enough to the Russian plane to shoot it down with almost any air to air missile. The pilot who did it has no idea he did it because the war games were specifically designed that way. That fact was stupidly given away in the promo article on those aerial war games in The Times of Israel:

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hosts-its-largest-ever-international-air-force-exercise/

      Not to mention that the area of the shootdown is supposedly blind to Egyptian radar, in which case any of the aircraft in the war games could easily have dipped further into Egyptian airspace to do the dastardly deed in just a few short minutes.

    • Straight up here, the aircraft involved in the nearby war games were more than close enough to the Russian plane to shoot it down with almost any air to air missile. The pilot who did it has no idea he did it because the war games were specifically designed that way. That fact was stupidly given away in the promo article on those aerial war games in The Times of Israel:

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hosts-its-largest-ever-international-air-force-exercise/

      Not to mention that the area of the shootdown is supposedly blind to Egyptian radar, in which case any of the aircraft in the war games could easily have dipped further into Egyptian airspace to do the dastardly deed in just a few short minutes.

    • The Aim-54 Phoenix was originally designed to be used on both the F-111 and the F-14 after they were retired Israel acquired an undisclosed number of these missiles and converted them into long rang AWACS killers with a reported range of over 120 miles. With mid coarse guidance provided by modified E2C Hawki AWACS aircraft. Egypt also has E2C Hawki aircraft.

  22. Laika: My sentiments too, ‘tho not quite in same words (some of which I needed to look up).

    “Murkan”? Oh, so you’re trying to impersonate W’s ‘dick-shun’ (the way he pronounced “American”).

    “Hasba-Rat”? No, not a stuffed rodent toy made by Hasbro. Hasbarats are ‘zionist trolls who infect internet sites & groups. If you’ve come across a hasbarat, on-line or otherwise, you have learned that no amount of reasoned argument or intellectual maturity has any effect.’

    Yes, hasbarat trolls & Hasbro rats infect the comment pages at Veterans Today. Mr. Dean, Mr. Duff & VT know their Ops very well. One tactic is to post over-the-top, illogical, outlandish anti-Israel & anti-Jewish comments that disparage *all* Israelis & *all* Jews. I usually limit my disparagement to the not-really-Jewish Rotten-Childs, that putz who is now Israeli PM, and related Israeli putz-heads who harm Americans, Israelis & others.

    The intent of hasbarats is for such comments to waste our time and to reflect badly on VT writers & editors who often have valid assertions, observations & analyses about ‘zionist misbehavior’ — or worse.

    Analogous & true historical stories are about ADL and/or B’nai Brith helping to found & fund KKK-type & Neo-Nazi-type groups. Even today, others & they *PAY* hasbarats to infect VT & other credible sites & groups. Most thinking Jews & Israelis whom I know have no use whatsoever for hasbarat crap.

  23. HM: How is that significantly related to the story on which you comment? If it’s not significantly relevant, then please submit it to VT or somewhere else as an article. OK? Let’s all make comments directly related to the story on which we comment. (Me too, ‘cuz I sometimes also color outside the lines.)

  24. Davey: Laika almost always has one or more good observations in what she says — unlike someone else we both know (and one of us loves).

  25. a jumbo jet averted a missile going 1,000 ft per sec.? the story is an obvious hoax, my opinion. even if he could have seen it many miles away, the jet can’t turn/slide/duck that quickly, can it? where is John Lear when you need him? haha.

    • Obvious hoax as psyop possibly to make the other for real air-to-air missile shootdown ALSO appear as a hoax…

  26. If the above story is proved to be accurate I don’t expect Putin to react immediately However once he does the Saudi’s and Israelis can kiss Riyadh and Tel-Aviva good bye!

    • CC: Not bloody likely. Geo-strategically & tactically, Putin is slow, sure & methodical. If Putin intends to achieve a relatively quick Syria/Mideast peace, then destroying Riyadh or Tel Aviv would not help to achieve that objective.

  27. It is just “information” (from the Lügenpresse), massa, it has nothing to do with VT at all. By the way, Whitehall, (RUSI) isn’t that (one of the) headquarters of “ISIS”, and also where terrorist leader general Betrayus lives? . . . It certainly is British imperialism’s (fascism) Headquarters.

  28. @Gordon Duff
    VT is all over the place. You contradict everything your colleague Jim Dean tried hard for last week to convince everybody with his exclusive ‘news’ from Russian intel ‘sources’. Why don’t you two agree on a story first, then publish it? Now you come with this pathetic ‘news’ of a civil airplane dodging a missile!! Really?! Dodging a missile?! Wow… that is just lame from you guys.

    • Masster-Debater: Just as Mr. Duff advised “DaveE,” PLEASE LEARN HOW TO READ. Based on VT-verified Russian sources, BOTH Gordon Duff AND Jim Dean authored last week’s alternative hypothesis. This week, Gordon Duff and Jeff Smith authored another hypothesis based on well-known facts and reasonable inferences.

      If & when you learn how to read, understand & write, please feel free to start a new & better publication to publish ‘news’ in your own inimitable style.

  29. You are posting a lot of crap here, “helping”-mind. Are you living on a funny farm, or are you a hasbarat (yoodnsvine)? . . . Or are you just a typical ‘Murkan (Yankee) “intellectual”?

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