TRUTH JIHAD: Kevin Barrett explains God to Gordon Duff, but keeps getting interrupted

Gordon Duff may not have a direct line to God, but he has one to Truth Jihad Radio...and almost everyone else that matters

This show from January 2016 features Robert David Steele as first hour guest; then in the second hour Gordon Duff joins me to argue – if that is the word – about religion.

I love God and Gordon Duff, definitely in that order. (Actually my wife should be somewhere on the list too, as she’ll undoubtedly remind me.)

Since it’s Ramadan, a good time to think theological thoughts, I thought I’d post this interview from a few months ago and use it as a springboard to complete some of the thoughts I was trying to express.

Gordon, like much of so-called Western civilization (which would indeed be a good idea, Mr. Gandhi) has a problem with God. Our “civilization” has this problem for several reasons. Here is the short version:

Judaism is basically the mythologized historical record of a really, REALLY obstinate, pugnacious, egotistical tribe who keep falling back into the worship of their own egos – mythologized as their tribal god “Yahweh” – rather than surrendering to God with a capital G, the All-Merciful, All-Compassionate Creator and Sustainer of All the Worlds. (Which is a traditional way of expressing something far beyond ordinary language, since God is Greater, Incomparable, meaning greater than and incomparable to any possible human conception.)

To the extent that Judaism and/or Judaistic heresies stemming from such people as Shabtai Zvi and Jacob Frank have influenced the West, which is a rather great extent, the result can only be an apotheosis of the human/tribal ego in its struggle against God. That anti-God ego, the nafs al-ammara bis-su’, follows the models of Pharoah, the prototypical human tyrant; and Satan, the arrogant rebel and arch-deceiver and arch-enemy of humanity. The real religion of the West today, handed down from Zvi and Frank through the Freemasons and their Rothschild sponsors, is satanism.

Christianity, for its part, is a mythologized historical record of the deeds and teachings of the prophet Jesus, peace upon him, and some of his early followers. Though it incorporates serious mistakes introduced by fallible human transmitters – such as the Trinity, the Son-of-God metaphor, Original Sin, and the bloody emphasis on the crucifixion rather than the teachings of the man who was crucified – it is a genuinely universal monotheism that is definitely barking up the right tree.

As God says:

You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and polytheists; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, “We are Christians.” That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.
The West has turned against God during the past few centuries largely due to the influence of heretical Jews of the Sabbatean and Frankist schools, who used Freemasonry to destroy Christianity as the Western civilizational fulcrum. Childish arrogance, exaltation of the ego, gross materialism, and hostility rather than surrender to God are now part of the cultural air we breathe.

So it isn’t surprising that Gordon Duff, like so many people these days, has a problem with God. He doesn’t even realize that he is waging jihad fi sabil illah, “struggle on the path of God.”

While denying God, Gordon is fully aware of the existence of Satan. He recently wrote “of talks I had with Fr. Malachi Martin some years before.  Martin, now deceased but a former high ranking Vatican official and exorcist, had his own crises of faith but was drawn back to belief by what he said was overwhelming evidence of manifestations of evil that he saw while performing exorcisms.”

Gordon knows that Satan and his demonic helpers are very real:

Anyway, my other friend, who must remain unnamed, began his story by telling me of a strange invitation he received.  My friend, and again I apologize for not naming him, was invited to the Island of Corfu for an “infestiture” ceremony.  Yes, I say “infestiture” and not “investiture.”

As the story went, the Rothschild family had somehow established contact with a “non-corporeal” race of beings that had been on earth for hundreds of thousands of years.  These “beings,” and I was reminded that calling them “demons” was “wrong thinking” on my part, entered a human host and advised him, protected him and eventually, upon physical death, saw to it that the surviving spirit or soul or whatever lived the kind of afterlife chosen, no matter how sick or disgusting such a thing might be, me of course assuming bad things about the Rothschild family, people I know nothing about.

The payback for the entity was through how the host lived his or her life.  My friend told me that these entities fed on “negative vibrations” brought about by grief, pain and human suffering.  Thus, the host was simply tasked with using their power, brought about by belonging to a family partnered with these entities for generations, to influence the human condition for “maximum feeding.”

This would mean that, let’s say with the Rothschild Family, it was their job to bring about world wars, famine, hold back human progress, promote disease and ignorance, things like that.

Gordon, bless him, has chosen to oppose and expose these parasitical demonic entities and their human hosts. That definitely puts him on the right side of the cosmic jihad.

But still he rejects and denies God. Why?

As far as I can tell, there are three main reasons.

The first reason, of which he is relatively unaware, is that Gordon, like everyone else, is a product of his culture. Godlessness is in the air we breathe these days. Like the fish who doesn’t notice water, Gordon doesn’t notice the Godless culture around him that has programmed him. (That culture was historically produced, as I mentioned, by the same demonic entities we were speaking of, who dethroned Christianity through the offices of their Sabbataen, Frankist, and freemasonic hosts.)

Secondly, Gordon says he doesn’t see any evidence for God, though he certainly sees plenty of evidence of satanic evil.

And third, what kind of all-knowing, all-powerful God would let such evil exist?! That, of course, is the age-old problem of evil – and I can hardly blame Gordon, or anyone else including Vincent Bugliosi, for having issues with it.

We have already dealt briefly with Reason #1.

As for Reason #2: Seeing evidence for God seems to be a matter of temperament, not entirely reducible to empiricism or theological proof. Plenty of people who are not “religious” see evidence for God all over the place. An example is one of my favorite contemporary American writers, Jim Harrison, who sadly passed away a few months ago. Though he doesn’t use the word “God” much, Harrison’s observations are steeped in wonder at the endless succession of miracles that parade every moment before our jaded and blinded eyes.

Those minor miracles are ayat, signs of God. As signs and miracles, they point to something beyond themselves, an infinitely greater Mind that could conceive of such a thing, and “say Be and it Is.”

Only a truly jaded and blinded mind, like Michael Parenti’s (listen to me debate with him) could claim something along the lines of: This world isn’t that great! I could create a much better one if given the opportunity!

Oh really, Mr. Parenti? Could you really shut your eyes this minute and summon up, out of nothingness (not just memory  – that’s cheating, because you’re using the world God already gave you as a template) EVERYTHING – including even something as relatively puny, in comparison with the all, as the fully-detailed textures of the sights, sounds and smells of a single moment of your life?

You arrogance is hilarious! God must be rolling on the floor laughing (and crying at the same time) at the presumptuousness of His creatures.

For people without rust on their hearts, who are not summun bukmun umyun (deaf, dumb and blind) the evidence for God is everywhere.

Those who use the full measure of their intellect (aql) easily grasp this evidence; while those whose hearts have rusted, and whose eyes and ears have grown jaded, are reduced to arguing about God using only a pale shadow of the intellect in the original sense of the term. This results in “merely intellectual” arguments.

And speaking of mere intellectuals: One strong argument for God that is emerging out of the certified-God-free scientific community is the Anthropic Cosmological Principle. For the long version, read the amazing book by Barrow and Tippler (which is not overtly pro-religion by any means). The short version: Many non-religious hard-nosed scientists have been forced to admit that there are really only two ways to explain the astounding fine-tuning of a very long list of universal constants and other parameters of creation, seemingly tweaked just perfectly for you and me to exist.

One explanation is that the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics is correct. That would mean that there are zillions of different universes, almost all of them without life or consciousness. We just happen to be in the one-in-a-zillion where all the parameters just happened to come out right for life and consciousness to emerge.

The other explanation: God created our universe(s) and tweaked the parameters.

Occam’s razor favors the second explanation. So does the fact, attested to by quantum physics, that “reality” is an epiphenomenon of consciousness…meaning that all those zillions of universes without consciousness posited by the quantum multi-worldists could not possibly exist in the first place.

The Qur’an anticipated the anthropic argument by almost 1500 years. In it we are told that God “made the moon a (reflected) light and the sun a burning lamp” (71:16) and “made the night for you to rest in, and the day in which to see” (40:61).  God “created the heavens and the earth and sent down rain from the sky and produced thereby some fruits as provision for you, and subjected for you ships to sail through the sea by His command, and subjected for you the rivers” (14:32). And yet man is arrogant and ungrateful. “It is He Who gave you life, will cause you to die, and will again give you life: Truly man is ungrateful.” (22:66). (Remember that part about Him giving you life again; we will return to it shortly.)

The Qur’an tells us that, as suggested by the Anthropic Cosmological Principle, the universe was created for us, by a mind infinitely greater than ours. It adds that the correct human response is ecstatic awe, humility, gratitude, generosity and submission to the divine plan and its ineffable author.

Many, perhaps most non-Western cultures seem to do that better than we do. Native Americans, for instance, seem to accept their place in the scheme of things, surrounded by sacred signs of God-given nature. We arrogant Westerners must be the most wrongheaded people who have ever lived: instead of awe-filled and ecstatic, we are jaded and affectless; instead of humble, we are arrogant and egocentric; instead of grateful, we are whiny and entitled; instead of  being generous, we pinch our pennies and possessions as if we could take them with us; and instead of submitting to God and the divine plan, we ludicrously strut around as if we were in control of our lives and destinies…while our psychopathic leaders, even worse than us, plot their dreams of world conquest, which can only end not in the triumphant one-world tyranny they dream of, but a planetary catastrophe, a malhamma.

“Travel around the world and see the ruins of former civilizations destroyed by their own arrogance,” the Qur’an repeatedly tells us. Ours is obviously next in line.

But why does all this evil exist, whines Michael Parenti. What a terrible universe! I could have done so much better if only they had let me be God!

The Qur’an answers that one, too.

God allowed Satan to tempt and afflict human beings as a test. We have been given free will, and we are supposed to use it by struggling to be good people, filled with awe and gratitude for the life we have been given, humble, generous, and in submission to God and His will. But it wouldn’t be free will if everyone had to choose wisely. Evil is there to tempt and try us; it is the obverse of good, the second half of the binary opposition without which “good” would be meaningless.

But what about those “evils” that are just really unpleasant experiences, like sickness, suffering and death? Why did God have to make those?

Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.
Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.

So again, these are tests. When we die and return to God, the eternal reality we inhabit depends on the choices we made in this life. The Qur’an describes Paradise as “gardens of perpetual bliss” looking down on flowing rivers, complete with fruits of every description, beautiful companions, and loved ones from worldly life:  “Gardens of perpetual bliss: They shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring. Angels shall enter to them from every gate (with the salutation): ‘Peace be with you because you persevered in patience! Now how excellent is the final home!'” (13:23-24)

Those who do not pass the test find themselves in a place of burning torments. Dante stole most of those described in the Inferno, like most of his images of Purgatory and Paradise, from Muslim sources – legendary embellishments of the Qur’anic descriptions. For details, read Miguel Asin’s Islam and the Divine Comedy.

Are we to take these descriptions of the afterlife literally? Here I would argue that the Qur’an tells humanity what it needs to know, in such a way as to be understandable by virtually anyone. So these descriptions, at the literal level, may be addressing the lowest common denominator of reader, providing a sort of heuristic device pointing us in the direction of goodness, beauty and truth by providing an easily-graspable warning-and-promise. The actuality of paradise/hell cannot be very well described in language of ordinary experience, so the Qur’an offers images that capture the gist of the blissfulness of the one and the horror of the other.

But surely these are just legends spun by storytellers to keep people in line, object the irreligious.

Sorry, but that’s just not the case. The afterlife is very real, as you will find out soon enough.

There is plenty of empirical evidence that consciousness continues after death. For an introduction, check out David Ray Griffin’s Parapsychology, Philosophy and Spirituality.

This fact – that as the Qur’an says, the afterlife is more lasting and important than the life in this world – casts a revealing light on the problems of evil, suffering and death. For example: Might people who suffer in this life, especially the righteous, be repaid with a better afterlife? You can take the Qur’an’s word for it. Or you can use your reason, and think about the respective situations of two people at the moment of death:

Person 1 has led a hedonistic, egotistical life and had a lot of physical comfort and enjoyment. But the last years of his life were therefore pretty terrible, because all of that good stuff – the ability to enjoy physical comfort, pleasure, and the self-aggrandizing ego – inevitably slipped away. Now there’s just suffering, pain, and impending oblivion. The kind of consciousness that is immortalized into eternity when this guy shuffles off the proverbial mortal coil is, shall we say, most unpleasant. His spirit inhabits hell. Or, as the Buddhists would say, he spends a long time being a hungry ghost, tormented by phantasms of the egotistical desires that ruled his life.

Person 2 followed the Qur’an’s advice (or her own inner wisdom) and surrendered most of her ego while still alive. She was a good person – but bad things happened to her. People mistreated her, she experienced physical suffering and social humiliation, while still always trying to do the right thing for its own sake (or as we say in Islam, for God’s sake, fi sabilillah). As death approaches, it appears as not just blessed relief, but sheer ecstasy. She could live with herself while alive, and now can die with herself in peace. The kind of consciousness immortalized at her moment of passing bears some resemblance to the Qur’anic description of Paradise.

(To the righteous soul will be said:) “O soul at perfect peace, return to thy Lord, well-pleased with Him and pleasing Him, so enter among My servants, and enter into my Garden.” (89:27-30)

So we are living in a perfectly just universe created by a perfectly just God, though it isn’t always apparent in the short run.

In a more recent interview on Truth Jihad Radio, Gordon Duff said that if he were to run into Jesus, Muhammad or the Buddha (presumably in the next world) he would see and treat them as comrades in the struggle for good, not godlike idols to worship.

Right on, Gordon! Now you’re starting to get it. You’re still struggling to get over that arrogance issue…but the same God who made you much smarter, in certain respects, than almost everyone around you, might very well forgive you for the natural arrogance that grew out of that. To the extent that you’re waging a genuine struggle for the good, giving Shaitan and his minions the hell they deserve, you may be a lot closer to the right path than you – or hidebound orthodox religious thinkers for that matter – are likely to understand.

In Candide, Voltaire sees the universe as so unjust that anyone who thinks otherwise is not just foolish, but hilarious. William Blake responded:

Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau;
Mock on, mock on; ’tis all in vain!
You throw the sand against the wind,
And the wind blows it back again.
And every sand becomes a gem
Reflected in the beams divine;
Blown back they blind the mocking eye,
But still in Israel’s* paths they shine.

The Atoms of Democritus
And Newton’s Particles of Light
Are sands upon the Red Sea shore,
Where Israel’s* tents do shine so bright.



*The people of God, not the satanic Franko-Sabbatean Zionist entity.

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  1. Dear Kevin and Gordon,
    Very ancient Indian saying — ”Wise people do not argue and debate the existence and nature of God”.

  2. Dear Gordon and kevin

    What is peace

    Please describe it for me

    Gordon peace is a silent God

    Like a good friend

    Peace past understanding

    I would take the blame for peace

    Between you

    That is what Jesus would do

  3. Thank you for an interesting article.

    Just as in our relative world good requires evil for its very existence, our relative world is required for God’s very existence.

    If God hadn’t created the world, God would have remained beyond comprehension – even God’s own Self comprehension.
    God would have been beyond ‘existence/non-existence’.

    Not even the rudimentary feeling of “I Am” would have been there.

    Yet there is a link between us ordinary boys and girls, between each individual and God in God’s unadulterated state of being utterly and completely unqualified, unfettered, far far beyond mental comprehension of any kind.

    Where is God? How did God create the world? Do we find God within? Beyond the stars? Do we attain God by service? By surrender? By love?

    Why does God embrace godly people and send worldly people back into the world?

    It’s all a game of hide and seek. Those who realize this will not fail to feel the bliss and will be victorious in every struggle against evil.

  4. Dr. Barrett, unfortunately the masses (because they have been trained to do so) think “God” is a supernatural being, and mostly a male being. I think that was the crux of the argument that Gordon was proposing, that there is no “God” that is coming to save us, no supernatural being with a long beard and staff. I think the two of you agree on that. But you challenged him on his statement and put him on the defensive and then well…..we got what we got.

  5. Haven’t seen that interpretation of Jesus before. Heck, didn’t even think he really existed, but created to personify the High King of Righteousness, Melchizedek. Only Josephus wrote about him. Written that the Sephardi Josephus felt entitled to create a new religion due to his ancestry. Wanted to undermine his his banking side of the family. Created the ‘Jesus was the son of Cleopatra’ story to veil it. In fact, was starting to contemplate Josephus as Jesus.

    The 1st Melchizedek was written to have been a Nordic bringing sacred geometry stuff (maybe German). Knowledge carried over from Atlantis, Mu or wherever to recreate civilization. Jesus was supposed to be the last Melchizedek, representing the end of the Church, but the bank took over. Jesus translated to, ‘He Zeus’ and ‘The Zeus.’ He’s still okay in my book, but you’re welcome to tell me what you’re reading, nothing is surprising anymore. Jesus’ intent was subverted by the banks. Can’t blame anything on Christians or Jesus, imho.

  6. Wasnt too impressed by any of this. I only listened to the 2nd half as i find Mr. Duffs insight usually not just unique but it always gives new insight and a new perspective on things. This however …i can only say that I kinda predicted it will go down like this. It was like reading (listening) two random youtube commenters, ones an atheist the other a muslim. No new information came out of this.

  7. I have been reading about the Archon from early morning…..the flying fish the mind parasite…..

    Very interesting!

    Thank you for the information in this article…

  8. Gordon, it is enough to wish Christianity to be true, since only God can inspire us with that desire, encompassing, as it does, that necessary sense of sublime beauty, as evidenced, for example, in Christ’s Sermon on the Mount and Beatitudes, and passages in Isaiah, the Psalms, etc ; but above all, in the rewarding beyond all imagining (as referred to in the best, most convincing NDEs) of the innocent suffering inflicted by wicked human beings, inevitably ensuing from the gift of our free will.

    The latter, alone, could afford us the dignity which, with God’s help, his grace, fits us, having died to our lower self, having been purged, to share in the very life of the Holy Trinity, grafted into the Mystical Body of Christ, as kind of clones, ‘other Christs’ with Christ as our head.

    A search for unambiguous truths in spiritual understanding can only yield a framework comprising paradoxes, only accessible to the unitive, spiritual intelligence, but which provide staging-posts, ‘springboards’ for the worldly analytical intelligence to use, in order to leap forward, ‘joining the dots’.

  9. Here are some things out there. Frankists thought they could make Saturn come back to be our Sun/Father. Purp-EL Dawn of Creation from the unlit binary Saturn Star. Troy Maclauchlin wrote that the gravity was different back then, thus giants and dinosaurs existed – something that isn’t possible today.

    Saturn emits the strongest radio signals in the system and governs this matrix. Big question is, do the South and North Poles of Saturn represent God and Satan? Duality? North is the storm of Satan, South is the ‘all seeing eye’ of God, which looks like an ‘elephant eye,’ which Hindus possibly considered Ganesh, the elephant God of good fortune and spirituality. Egyptians said Amun ran the show, which is the nebula Orion, which looks a lot like ‘origin.’ Our Phoenician-based language works like that. Some have outlined the nebula and call it God. Ancient Chinese echoed the Orion origin.

    All Religions need Melchizedek to ascend. Zedek = Jupiter and represents not only Saturn’s Son Jupiter, but also the High King of Righteousness. Jesus = Zeus = Jupiter = Righteousness, which alters the DNA and, if maintained, creates a ‘divine spark.’ EL= AL = Baal = YHVH = Jahova = Saturn = Father. Some say God is the electromagnetic frequencies from all the planets, some say just from Saturn and the others say that God rules our Solar System from Orion. The frequency of our solar system matches our heartbeats, which is 1.618. Ratio of the pyramids and our faces too.

  10. I’m flabbergasted, how come Barrett didn’t call Duff a “Bombastic asshole”, oh, he wants to keep his gig on VT. Righto Kev.

  11. Mr Barrett this is an excellent article which I will read again to take it in even better. But I need to ask a question. Where I firmly believe there is a universal force that controls and creates everything and some may call this force `God`. Is not everything written about `God` written by other `People` humans who could not possibly know the inner most workings of this universal force, by that I mean did humans invent the `God` of the Bible to make sense of our existence and the universe. To me this force has no name, its neither `Man` nor `Woman` .

    • “This force has no name, its neither `Man` nor `Woman`” is pretty much the Islamic view. Ibn ‘Arabi explains the distinction between God as he/she/it actually is, which no human being fully comprehends, and God as imagined by the individual human being. Two very different things! But prophets and saints do have access to a lot more of the real thing than ordinary folks and sinners do. Not all “images of God” are created equal.

  12. while religion has been used as a tool and a weapon it has also provided a level of protection for the people, the masses seeking guidance, seeking a place of refuge, a place to gather, a sense of belonging, seeking a path to their higher self or as infiltrators to blend in with a more sinister agenda…. Religion is like a nest, with guardians and protectors of that nest, that those within that nest stay within the confines and boundaries of that nest….. with no allowance for individual flight….. the Guardians must know there are those flying above them who have moved beyond the confines of religious orders, who do not wear labels of religions….truth releases the people from bondage to mans rules and mans regulations and dress codes for women who also love to feel the breezes blowing through their hair instead of suffocating under black …and I say this with respect and in understanding this may have served a purpose as protection for a time and a season and for a reason….not anymore, it is unnecessary and divisive….. the best way to understand a religion is live amongst the people day to day,and people are the same everywhere, they all just want to raise, provide for and protect their families and live in peace… the religious may be shocked to see there are those who reached the summit and guide the way ahead and refuse to wear the label of religion…we are all humans first before we fly

  13. “he will send us to a place with fire and smoke and flames and pain and agony and suffering and crying and despair and torture forever until the end of time… but he loves you. And he needs money.

  14. Kevin you are throwing a lot of faith at us. You can believe what you want, and think those who
    believe different are “jaded and blinded.” It is likely that that there is a temperamental / genetic
    predisposition that leads some to religion. For my part, I understand wonder at creation. I have had many “mystical” awestruck moments contemplating eternity/existence/the Universe. I do have trouble understanding how very smart people, which you obviously are, end up as dogmatic believers in any particular faith. Maybe that tendency is genetic too, like the herding algorithm that afflicts (and protects) so much of humanity. I do believe however that faith has rewarding components. It can buttress someone against hardship, keep families together, etc. As far as your particular belief system being “the truth” – or Christianity or other dogma too, for that matter – I would resort to “mere intellectual” arguments against, of which, as you are no doubt aware, there are many. I would also say that my “heart” does not believe these things either. Whatever the ultimate nature of reality is, it is profound. This I do believe. Cheers.

  15. Did you read the article? God isn’t a “being,” but the cosmic consciousness that says “be” and it is. Thereby creating all beings. God has no location – you’re the one “in the clouds.” It’s interesting that you’re so worried about thinking bad thoughts – you might take that up with your priest or imam or psychiatrist – but don’t worry, if you resist them and don’t carry them out “God will reward you” which is a heuristic description of how your consciousness will moved toward a better state than if you had carried them out. And of course God is al-ghani meaning beyond all need (of money or anything else). As for the problem of evil, I think I covered that in the article. Any more questions, petulant whines, red herrings, or lame attempts at sarcasm? Bring ’em on! Allahu akbar!

  16. Actually, not sure that those “demons” can rightfully be called satanic.
    From their point of view, aren’t they just trying to eat / sustain themselves?

    From the point of view of a pig or cow, if they could grasp the reality, wouldn’t
    humans be the great satan? I think they would. Not just because cows and
    pigs and other animals are slaughtered for food, but the way they are often
    treated up to and including the way they are often killed.

  17. You’re both barmy in this matter, Kevin, though I respect Islam as practiced by its evidently many devout followers. Fascinating article here, I believe, on Ramadan, by the way.

    Firstly, Gordon, petulance at God’s shortcomings in your eyes is no rationale for rejecting it, if in your heart you know it to be true.For the life of me, I cannot see how any sensible person of good will could fail to be impressed by the recent testimonies of scientists concerning the Shroud of Turin, after examining it and testing it.

  18. As a RN who has respectfully assisted people through their dying transitions, my observations are that an enduring Love matters most in their lives, not the arrogance of the materialistic West in being right at all costs to one’s soul. Tragically, real Love is considered a weakness in modern society. I see it otherwise, as THE most important part of being human.

    • I have found a number of NDEs very compelling testimony, Serenity. Strange as it may seem to others, I find the most compelling evidence to be the strength of their emotional, sometimes smiling though their tears at needing to go back to earth, pending the arrival of ‘their time.’

  19. Kevin, You are to be commended for tolerating such amazing disrespect & arrogance from a “guest” on your show & have your listeners subjected to such insulting commentary by your guest who doesn’t seem to have any kind of respectful dialogue. Thanks for sharing this so that we the listeners can decide what is most “truthful” to our own lifelong search…

    The best part of this show is the interview with Robert David Steele who has given us far more to contemplate re the tyranny of the 2 party tyranny in our current corrupt government…

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