Top US spy agency abstains on CIA assessment of Russian hack of 2016 election


… from Russia Today, Moscow

Cyber warfare is here to stay

Cyber warfare is here to stay

[ Editor’s Note: The Russian hacking issue has taken on a life of its own. But one big thing is missing in all the stories, the fact that the US and other Western Intel agencies do this whenever they want to.

Why?…because it is their job, to be “aware” of what is going on; and the “real” intentions of political campaigns versus their publicly stated versions are usually two different animals.

The only different twist is that, in the old days, one story would be leaked to a selected reporter for publication, and now the whole enchilada is, or most of it anyway. It is just a change in tactics, not intent.

If there has ever been anyone in the election rigging business big time, it has been U.S. Intelligence. The feigned moral repugnance that anyone would do such a thing is a bad joke.

It has always been a regime change tool, among many used by those wanting to ensure election outcomes that they favored. As Gordon so often says, “Welcome to how the world really works”…  Jim W. Dean ]


James Clapper

James Clapper

– First published …  December 13, 2016

The office overseeing all 17 agencies of the US intelligence community apparently doubts the CIA’s assessment that Russia intervened to help Donald Trump win the presidential election, as Reuters reports anonymous officials saying the allegation won’t be endorsed.

Three unnamed officials from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) told Reuters on Monday that their agency does not dispute the CIA’s findings, yet it would not accept them either.

“ODNI is not arguing that the agency (CIA) is wrong, only that they can’t prove intent,” one of the officials told the news agency. “Of course they can’t, absent agents in on the decision-making in Moscow.”

The CIA has not made its findings public, but the Washington Post reported on a secret assessment by the agency. It concluded that Russian intelligence hacked the servers of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff John Podesta to help Trump win the presidency.

The ODNI was formed to ease the bureaucratic obstacles between US intelligence agencies after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

“[It was] a thin reed upon which to base an analytical judgment,” another official said in response to the speculation. He stressed that the “judgment based on the fact that Russian entities hacked both Democrats and Republicans and only the Democratic information was leaked.”

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (D-California) wrote a letter Monday to James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence. In it, Nunes said he was “dismayed” with Clapper’s inaction on informing the house committee about the division between the assessments of the CIA and the FBI, Reuters reported. Nunes also requested that Clapper speak to his panel by the end of this week and noted that Clapper testified in November that there was not enough evidence to show a connection between Russia and the “Podesta emails” releases from WikiLeaks.

Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) has urged a Congressional probe, saying there is “no information” to prove any Russian intention.

“It’s obvious that the Russians hacked into our campaigns,” McCain told Reuters. “But there is no information that they were intending to affect the outcome of the election, and that’s why we need a congressional investigation.”



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11 Responses to "Top US spy agency abstains on CIA assessment of Russian hack of 2016 election"

  1. kaho  December 14, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    Now you are making sense !
    I have already gotten used to regarding Jim as the most rational of the bunch.

    In fact, only a few days ago, I read (I’ve forgotten where), that the intelligence agencies never did announce that “Russians had hacked the US election”. It was just som DC newspaper that wrote about a rumor to that effect. And then suddenly everybody (all the media) jumped onto it and started repeating it – only leaving out the rumor part.

    Well, the rumor may of course contain some truth, but as long as the evidence is absent, secret, or hidden, it is quite a stretch. The next time it may very well be “Merkel” or the Chaos Computer Club in Hamburg. It all depends on who they (the press) wish to make unpopular.

  2. Amelius  December 14, 2016 at 10:09 am

    The director of National Intelligence, James Clapper said, “We don’t know enough to ascribe motivation regardless of who it might have been.” when asked if the media was getting ahead of themselves in fingering the perpetrator of the hack, he responded,

    “I’m somewhat taken aback by the hyperventilation on this. He sarcastically added, “I’m shocked someone did some hacking,” he added sarcastically, “[as if] that’s never happened before.”

    High ranking NSA employee, William Binney, said he believed a “disgruntled U.S. intelligence worker” is likely behind the breach and not Russia.

    I’ve also read that the American intelligence community did not trust Clinton with sensitive/secret information, because of the email fiasco and that this was a motive for the intelligence community to leak the information, to lessen her chances of winning. Regardless, I find that all the endless speculation regarding who might have leaked the emails, is deflecting people’s attention away from the content of the emails. If the CIA has any proof that Russia was responsible for the hacks, they need to present it and stop F’ing around. Otherwise, how is anyone supposed to believe this is not just another case of “weapons of mass destruction”, or, “they took the babies out of the incubators and left them on the cold floor to die.”

    • Amelius  December 14, 2016 at 10:11 am

      Correction: that second “he sarcastically added”, shouldn’t be there. My bad. Sorry folks.

    • Amelius  December 14, 2016 at 10:23 am

      Dick Chaney once said, “The truth is what we say it is.” Sorry Dick, but nobody in their right mind believes you. So, for me, the bottom line is this. If the CIA, or any other US intelligence agencies have any real evidence of Russian involment in the DNC hacks and data dumps, simply present it, or STFU about it. Because intentionally lying to the people in order to shape public opinion, to achieve a political motivation, or agenda, is defined as intellectual terrorism.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  December 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      Amelius: Declassifying CIA intel on ‘Russian’ skewing, hacking & rigging will reveal “sources & methods.” Similar to Binney, VT’s intel is that WikiLeaks’ email leaks came from U.S. intel thru Israel, which receives RAW intel data from U.S. intel agencies.

      ODNI is circumspect because, probably, no one can stop Trump before 12/19 & 1/20. CIA does itself NO favors by coming to an analytical conclusion based on its data (i.e., what CIA & intel agencies do on a regular basis). When Trump takes office, Trump will retaliate against CIA — but not against FBI & ODNI.

      VT’s intel, analyses & conclusions (above) are based on the raw data and VT HumInt; but they do NOT reveal “sources & methods” (which can get people killed).

      If as & when CIA & other intel about election skewing, hacking & rigging are declassified, you will almost undoubtedly see that VT was substantially correct in what VT has been reporting — almost guilty of understatement. Use discernment & inferences, and you *may* reach correct conclusions. ;-).

      If you don’t want to see intel, analyses & conclusions before they’re declassified (but in a ‘safe’ form), then stop reading VT. VT is simply not the place for you, since VT will not STFU.

  3. lastnerve  December 14, 2016 at 9:16 am

    Have any of the hacked/leaked emails been proven to be untrue? I have seen no reporting toward this.
    The Russians say they no do it. Wicki leaks insinuated the DNC staffer who was murdered leaked them.
    Report that NSA employee leaked this info, judge Napalitano. FBI will not say who, because they are
    focused on Weinergate (what a mess). If Trump takes office there is going to be a lot uncovered. CIA
    will not officially say Russia hacked DNC, after the WMD lies in Iraq who would believe them if they
    did. The Clapper has already lied to us. The more the Demorats protest the worse it is going to be for
    them. If the election was held now Hillery would not get even close,we the people may be mind washed,
    but we are waking up.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  December 14, 2016 at 1:31 pm

      LN: Trump & foreign interests stole the election fair & square. Possession is 9/10 of the law. Hail, Trump!

  4. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  December 13, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    ODNI knows that Obama, Congress, Hillary & Dems won’t do anything effective before 12/19 & 1/20. So, why should Clapper, ODNI & Co. take a position against which the Tweetster-in-Chief has Tweeted?

  5. Trakkath  December 13, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Isn´t Wikileaks a Chinese corporation ? Or was it Israel ?

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  December 13, 2016 at 10:17 pm

      WikiLeaks’ leaks benefit Bibi, Rotten-Child & Co. However, WikiLeaks is not a corporation.

  6. JohnZ  December 13, 2016 at 7:54 am

    Lies and the lying liars that tell them.
    The agencies involved no longer have credibility. Neither do the politicians, the agency heads like Clapper, a proven liar and fraud, and the media whores and presstitutes that are paid to parrot back whatever line of propaganda is meant to be presented for the week.
    No one in Washington nor the mainstream media can be trusted with the truth.
    Lies, deceit and propaganda are their stock in trade.
    Truth is the enemy and those who expose their lies all to often suffer the consequences for doing so. Imprisonment, harassment, loss of income or even murdered.
    ” In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act’. George Orwell/1984
    …”How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”
    “Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes, they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes, they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

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