Cleveland: Cops Lied in Tamir Rice Shooting, Video Shows

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Two and a half years after 12-year-old Tamir Rice was shot and killed by a Cleveland police officer, cleveland.com has obtained the videos – never before seen publicly — of investigative interviews with the officers involved, Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback.

The interviews, conducted within days of the Nov. 22, 2014 shooting outside Cudell Recreation Center, include details not previously reported of the events and offer new insight into the mindsets of the officers.

The videos also reveal some inconsistencies with the story Loehmann later told a grand jury in his written statement. Until now, that statement and Garmback’s offered the only public accounting from the officers’ perspectives. The grand jury eventually declined to indict the officers. But the city has introduced administrative charges, unrelated to the shooting itself, that could cost Loehmann and Garmback their jobs.

Full interview: Cleveland police officer Frank Garmback

Garmback told investigators that on the day of the shooting, he and Loehmann volunteered to help field the 911 call about a guy brandishing a gun in a park outside the recreation center.

As they hurried to the location, Garmback drilled his rookie trainee on how to handle a “gun run.”

“[Loehmann] said, ‘I would get out of the car. I’d get in a certain stance,'” Garmback later recalled for investigators. “I stopped him at that point and said, ‘This is a gun run. Be prepared for the worst-case scenario. Have your gun unholstered already on your lap.'”

Garmback went on to explain to Loehmann that they would drive their vehicle “the back way” through the grassy park, which would put the cruiser near the swings – the spot where the gunman was reported to be – to limit the suspect’s possibilities for escape.

Read more at Cleveland.com

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor from June 14, 2015

Was with the Charlie Hebdo farce in Paris last summer, the Tamir Rice killing in Cleveland, November 2014 doesn’t stand up under any analysis.  With Hebdo, we expected dozens of YouTube gun junkies to head for the scrapyard and start pulverizing concrete sidewalk chunks with their AK’s.  Never happened, not sure why. Nobody ever takes the “low hanging fruit” when it comes to debunking phony terror attacks or street theatre.

Let’s go after the Tamir shooting and put it to rest quickly.  The video above is both purposefully “compressed” to reduce frame rate and has the resolution reduced as well, almost identical to the parking lot 9/11 video at the Pentagon showing a Tomahawk cruise missile slamming into the headquarters of the DOD.

“Dazzle em with Bullshit”

First thing to put to bed is the issue of the gun.  From the video, you can see that less than 2 seconds elapsed from the time the car stopped to the shooting.  In this time, police open the door, draw guns, identify the threat and react while, according to police testimony, shouting out three warnings.  We have reason to believe that Tamir was holding an airsoft pistol.  First, let’s differentiate between a “pellet gun” and an airsoft pistol.  Be advised that airsoft pistols are extremely common and when a kid is in a park running around with a toy gun, it is usually a nearly totally harmless airsoft gun that is not really able to put your eye out.  This is the ammo, actually “prills” as opposed to “pellets.”

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On the other hand, this is a “pellet:”

fff_314Do you think the failure to differentiate between the two is an accident?  Pellets kill small game, stupid kids shoot each other with airsoft for amusement when parents aren’t watching.

We are also told that Tamir had “modified” his airsoft pistol, actually belonging to another child we are told, by removing the orange barrel marker.  Here is a common airsoft pistol from Walmart.

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Did the officer in the video make any attempt to recognize the type of toy the child was carrying?  Take a careful look at the toy above.  It is reasonable to assume that the issue of “orange marker” or not are placed before us in hopes we don’t actually look at the video and learn about how some airsoft weapons are identified.

This is a common airsoft rifle:

fff_31540% of the parts are interchangeable with a US military issue M4 carbine.  The stock and rear sight on this are, in actuality, far better quality than US military issue.

So, thus far, we have police barreling in, but wait, let’s talk about that.

If police approach a potential armed suspect, it is an established procedure to stop the car more than 35 yards away in order to take advantage of body armor, the protection of a vehicle to shield from bullets and the possibility that trained police officers might be better armed and better trained.  As we see in the video, better armed for sure, as they were not carrying toy guns.

If this were a real gun and Tamir were older, he could legally “open carry” without a concealed weapons permit as allowed by Ohio law.  Were he to draw the weapon in the presence of someone else without reason, he could be charged with disorderly conduct.  Were he legally carrying a concealed weapon and drew it for no reason, he would be guilty of misdemeanor “brandishing” according to Ohio law.

Typical punishment were Tamir waving a real gun around would have been a stern warning from a judge.

Then again, the police never checked to see if Tamir was alone.  If he did have friends and they did have real guns. the police would have been killed in seconds like happened in Brooklyn.  Did they fail to check because they weren’t concerned, real guns, other shooters, “pedestrians?”

Is it a supportable hypothesis that the approach seen in the video would and could only be used for shooting a lonely kid with a toy gun who was a threat to no one at all?  We will make that case, successfully I believe.  See if you agree.

A trained police officer gains control of the situation by calmly addressing the “potential suspect” and asking them to drop what they are carrying in their hands and lay on the ground with their hands at their side.  In most such cases, that process takes between 5 and 10 minutes.  People stopped in public who are acting “unusual” are usually mental patients, disgruntled veterans, on drugs or alcohol or any or all of the above.

An officer who has acted properly is at minimal risk and has time to ascertain and control the situation, taking into account reality and television differ most of the time.

The only possible reason to act otherwise would be if the officer had forgotten all training and believed he was in a poorly written TV police drama.  This seems to be the case.

There are some other issues as well.  Supposedly we had numerous calls including one where someone said a woman had a gun stuck in her face.  Toward that end, we have video showing a toy gun being pointed.  Here is a frame depicting “a woman having a gun pointed in her face.”

fff_303Now, lets take a look at where the toy gun is actually being pointed.

fff_311First, I would have you note that the position of the alleged “toy gun pointer” shows that if someone were there on a cold November day, they might likely be as far as 200 meters away.  We are going to go over this issue and others.  Suffice it to say, this is perhaps your first view of the actual scene.

We will examine more issues, including possible witness point of vision and foot traffic patterns through what you will clearly note, is the “middle of friggin’ nowhere.”

Let’s see where the witnesses were who called in.  There is virtually NO foot traffic in this area and where Tamir was playing is not visible from sidewalks.

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This is the closest sidewalk to where Tamir was shot, taken in the middle of a summer day. It would nearly be impossible to tell an elephant from a rabbit even in full light, based on cover and distance.  Look for Tamir in the photo?  See a gun?  He’s not there but he could be, if he weren’t dead already.  Nobody could tell, and this is the closest viewpoint.  Were are going to take a look at this from above and identify how there could be a witness, perhaps one with a Hubble quality telescope:

fff_310Here we identify several issues.  Let’s think about people who would be walking past Tamir.  As you can see, no one lives between Tamir and the CVS Pharmacy where lotto tickets, beer and cigarettes can be purchased. Examining patterns of home and automobile ownership, demographic patterns, for the two adjacent streets makes for an extremely low possibility anyone walked near Tamir.  There is no place to go.

Here is a street scene from the opposite side.  These are the homes and cars of people who drive to real places for the things they need, not people who shamble down to the corner for “cigs and malt liquor” before sleeping it off behind the school.

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Line of sight from this side provides no visibility, even if the gazebo didn’t obscure vision:

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We will take a look at the retail to the right of the CVS Pharmacy, the only potential place a pedestrian could be going.

fff_307And for the other side of the street:

fff_306 Thus we note that where Tamir is playing is between nothing and nothing, not a cross route between anywhere people live and anywhere people go.

Go back up to the satellite view again.  Tamir is in a very secluded area, no foot traffic, no reason to visit a forlorned and forgotten recreation area where a lonely child would play out his own police drama fantasies before becoming the victim of someone else’s police drama fantasies.

Let’s be clear, Tamir had every reason to believe no one would ever see him acting like a child with a toy gun.  In today’s world where he could be watching internet porn or selling drugs, Tamir was playing like a child.

What have we established here?

Most certainly that there are no issues of him having altered a toy gun to look like a real gun when nobody made any attempt in the first place.

The video isn’t a police operation at all, it looks like a gang hit.  If there were people around, the police would have endangered them for sure, meaning the police knew no one was around.

That makes this murder.

If these are Cleveland police, they would have figured out quickly that their “witnesses” were fabricators right out of McKinney, Texas or Jade Helm.

Nobody saw anything.  Then again, what if someone were there?  Why would they be out in freezing cold, between nowhere and nowhere else, approaching a child with a toy gun?  What could their reasoning be?

Shouldn’t they, if they existed, be questioned?

“Why were you in a hidden alcove at the recreation center?  Where were you going?  Where did you come from?”

The rest of us can see that where Tamir was playing is between nowhere and nothing, can’t be seen from a sidewalk, not from a home, not from a car, somewhere nobody who wasn’t “up to no good” had any reason to be…unless they were a 12 year old playing with a toy gun.

End of story.

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6 Responses to "Cleveland: Cops Lied in Tamir Rice Shooting, Video Shows"

  1. Khalid Talaat  April 28, 2017 at 4:08 am

    What you do outside the home comes home.
    What you do overseas comes home.
    Shock and awe overseas comes home.

  2. JohnZ  April 25, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    Qualified immunity is nothing more than a license to kill.It also allows cops to assault and beat people into unconsciousness or even death. It allows cops to taser people in wheelchairs until they are no longer living. It allows cops to rob citizens at gunpoint in the name of civil asset forfeiture. It allows cops to behave as street gangs or worse.
    Mayors and city councils don’t seem to get it. Governors don’t to get it and presidents and their chief jurists don’t seem to get it. Even when cities and local governments are sued for millions in compensation for wrongful deaths, brutal treatment and worse, they still don’t get it. Last year over 50,000 people were admitted to ER for injuries caused by interaction with cops. You are more likely to be murdered by a cop than by any terrorist.
    Washington’s war on the American people continues as Sessions boasts he will not only continue the current trend in policing but increase the militarization of police; and to what point?
    Every day I receive a newsletter from John Whitehead’s Rutherford Institute which carries articles concerning “Battlefield America” and yes America has become a battle field. S

    • JohnZ  April 25, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      It is no secret that Sessions carries disdain for the Bill of Rights and our civil liberties. He is nothing more than a little tyrant. A little man with too much power who will use it without caution or with regards to our liberty. He has stated that he intends to further arm the police with more sophisticated weaponry, more surveillance and more immunity from any prosecution. Clearly Sessions is nothing more than a fascist with delusions of his own grandeur. A man as dangerous as Trump himself or Mattis.

  3. ayelyahbenjamin  April 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    and no-one asked at what point did he realise it was a child….was it when he “kicked the gun away” a weightless plastic toy?

  4. alan colorado  April 25, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    The police of every major city are given a pass to shoot anyone they view as a threat. It doesn’t matter if anyone is armed or not. The governors of every state know what’s going on but their state police are doing the same thing. The politicians are out to rob us and the police out to kill us if the situation becomes feasible. The same situation exists at the federal level. What ever happened to the agents who were interviewing the unarmed young college student friend of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and the agents murdered the student as part of their interview. Why? Most likely he would have been a key factor to start a real investigation into the so called Boston bombing. He was murdered because he knew too much and it was the truth. If you are not working for the government then you are working against it or not needed and can be disposed of. The police lie so much that they have technically made it legal for them to lie and they extend this privilege to their investigations and court case testimonies.

    • JohnZ  April 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Not only a threat but also that cops can go home to their families at the end of the shift…so they can beat their wives.

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